Book of Mormon Evidence? Possible Gold Plates Found in Saudi Arabia.
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In this episode Hayden Paul and David Butler discuss the amazing discoveries of gold plates and other metal books in Saudi Arabia. The original video can be found on @aroodawakening
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00:00 - Intro
3:15 - Background on temple symbolism in the Book of Mormon
6:00 - Gold plates contained writings in ancient Hebrew
11:38 - Gold plates were found near Medina, along Lehi's trail in the Book of Mormon
13:09 - Writings on the plates obsess over the Tree of Life and temple motifs
20:23 - Lead plates contained longer histories, gold plates had abridged "precious" things
26:17 - Menorah symbolism is prevalent, representing the Tree of Life
28:41 - Whoever wrote the plates were obsessed with temple imagery and symbols
30:55 - Metal plates contained mixtures of languages like Hebrew and Egyptian
37:56 - The group that wrote the plates were likely a priestly family that fled Jerusalem
39:46 - Priestly records were often lost when the ruling class changed
40:31 - The record keepers were likely Semitic people who kept parts of Egyptian culture
45:47 - Seals on the plates mirror descriptions of the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon
48:40 - Speculation about the meaning of symbols on the plates
51:25 - The discovered records strongly corroborate elements of the Book of Mormon
52:03 - Another gold book from a different source, indicating there may be many such records
54:12 - Possible metallurgical composition of the plates
57:11 - Images and text on the plates depict biblical stories and symbols
1:01:57 - A recently discovered lead container with Hebrew writing and a menorah symbol
1:06:51 - Linguistic analysis of the text on the plates, likely a mixture of languages
1:14:51 - Potential connection to the Zadok priesthood and lost records
1:17:36 - Cleaning and examining the delicate lead plates
1:18:38 - A sealed metal book with 12 seals, indicating an important ancient agreement
1:22:18 - Detailed analysis of the symbols on the 12 seals
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"Between now and the time the Savior comes again we will see...miracles"
I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if people will start connecting the dots
Both pro and anti. Miracles can't replace righteousness and testimony.
@@payaj2815 the important thing here is, are you connecting the dots?
Brenda I'm trying to find Members that have experienced the presense of their Heavenly Father inside their body. Have felt him and the presense of Heaven inside their body like I have. I'm just trying to find anyone that can relate to feeling things inside their body.
You're all nuts.
I mention to missionaries all the time that it's critical to introduce the concept of the 12 tribes before introducing the BOM. All of the tribes were instructed to keep records. So then the question is posited, "If you can't believe in the BOM as another record, what are you going to do when all the other records start showing up?"
And here they are.
12 tribes as in the cult david alexander was in?
Hard to detect sarcasm in comments. @@harambeboy
If you don't believe and practice the principles taught in the Book of Mormon, what are you going to do with the new principles taught in other forthcoming records?
Wait, they won't come out while the people are still wicked and unrepentant, and aren't living up to the light and truth they have now.
I have actually mentioned this to people.
Most have go silent. I don't know how many actually read their Bible as much as listen only to their preachers
Brilliant.
Isn't Heavily Father amazing I took a very deep dive back into the scriptures recently and had doubts after my wife who.I married in the Provo temple was shot and passed away nut our daughter just got baptized and I actually just today prayed with all my heart that I could believe about our faith and Joseph and the book of Mormon because its been a hard.7 years without her and I forgot how TRUE and amazing all of this is!!!
Oh Dear Brother in Christ. The Lord has His hand in your very prayer. May you find comfort and peace and feel your wife and the Lord near. I’m so sorry for your families loss.
Come back to the good ship Zion my brother! For His yoke is easy and His burden is light!
God bless you brother in your courage and faith to look to Christ. Prayers of peace and strength for you. May you continue to see God's hands in your life and the love of your wife and the peace of Christ. Miracles everyday. Way to look and see!
You should never give up. You're not alone. Heavenly Father loves you. Keep up doing your fatherly and family good deeds. I know the book of Mormon is true.
Bad things happen for our knowledge to love and obey God. Or follow down satans path. I could blame God for my horrible year of 2 months in jail and bailed out for 30k for shooting my step dad in self defense. And not see the miracles that i got to go home on bail and now exhonerated because they finally put all the evidence together that my family and myself was not safe and could get cops. Or i could follow into satans hemisphere after those miracles i had and be mad at God for allowing satan the destroyer to hurt me and my family. We are in the test period before Christ comes back hes finding his people for his return
Interesting coincidence that this find became publicly available on April 3, 2024, the same day the Angel Moroni was reinstalled on the highest spire of the Temple in Salt Lake City.
Things are never a coincidence.
Two days after April Fools Gold day makes it's a twofer PSYOP
It's a April Fools Gold two days after April 1 twofer PSYOP
•I just saw the Shabbat Night Live episode earlier today and couldn’t resist leaving a comment about how familiar this sounds to a similar ancient American record on metallic plates 😄
nice, you were fooled by a conman. can you show me any source outside of Dr. Miles Jones himself that he found the oldest record of the four gospels, which he claims? Do you realize how much of a massive claim that is? Do you realize the entire Christian community across the world would abolutely lose their shit if a more original record of the four gospels were found? lol you people are actually so braindead
You hear one mention of something to confirm your beliefs, even if that mention is absolutely fabricated
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Stick of Joseph thanks for covering this!!! I love the Church! I love the Lord! I love the Book of Mormon!
Hmmmmm, some red flags and this wouldn't be the first forgery like this, remember the Jordan Lead Codices?
Time will tell. Remember the Dead Sea scrolls?
@@millennialfalkon yeah, but they weren't shaking cell phone footage sent to them by a mystery party from an alleged treasure cave they they aren't allowed to visit.
It won't matter whether its real or not. Non-believers will say exactly what you are saying. Its too disruptive for them to believe.
@@millennialfalkon Familiarizing yourself w things like the DSS keeps you from investing early & heavy in junk like this.
@@user-lr7ip7ty9r But is it so convenient for believers (LDS believers, that is) to NOT doubt? I sure hope not, cuz this is one lover of the Bk of Mormon who thinks these things clearly have the same hands & minds behind them as the Jordanian lead deception. Stylistically they are pretty much the same deal.
You guys need to do a compilation of all the anti rhetoric through the decades that’s been debunked! Clips of someone in the 70’s saying we were crazy for believing in gold plates and then show this clip etc
That would be a good video!
You are crazy for believing in golden plates...The golden plates would have been the greatest archeological find in the history of the world. No, Joseph Smith didn't find them on a hill by his house.
He was a conman who didn't show them to anyone ever, not even his wives or his scribes. A few people imagined them and then Oliver Cowdery fabricated a testimony that they had handled them with their own hands.
No metal, no chariots, no literate societies( meaning lots of different peoples could read and write)...please there are not many lds believers left because the story is just too made up, but you can still make a religion that's great, but don't call the BoM historical when it was just a work of fiction.
Luke, my man! We can always count on you to come in and share your thoughts! Would love to hear specific thoughts you have of the video.
That could be a new series
Yes do it fellas! Make a montage video of all the people calling metal plates crazy talk… it would be epic. Thanks for sharing!
This was AWESOME! I got so much out of it & it is so exciting! My only advice is to not talk while the film is rolling. I want to hear both you and Dave AND the guys on video. Just not at the same time. Thankyou so much!
The Lord's hand was in this for sure. I hope and pray that these things will be protected until they can be thoroughly translated & studied & made available to the public.❤❤❤❤
Amen
Yes one problem with channels they talk over video's and each other! So irritating! Your here to learn yet they talk over each other and the info. We just stop watching when they do this.
It doesn't matter how much evidence there is. The wicked harden their hearts and ignore it. There's already SOOO much evidence to support the Book of Mormon and they still don't believe it.
Yep! I believe that One must receive a SPIRITUAL confirmation from The Holy Ghost…….His Spirit testifies to My Spirit!! Once that is confirmed, there is no denying……..speaking for myself.
You are correct. I once watched a talk by one of the high authorities. And he said in his talk. That you will only believe when the holy Ghost confirms it. And this is why we must go forth and preach and testify. Because there members of our eternal family who are ready for the word of God in their life. And we must find them. It is our sacred duty.@@DianeNims-gg7lf
You are right sadly. They won’t even look! Like the serpent on the staff. So wild!
Don't forget we are all wicked.
@@elijahkropf That is a given. But the ones who don’t want to believe have darkness inside. They avoid truth. We are all sinners yes, but who are the ones that try to follow him willingly like a child?
I honestly think you guys and your channel could be a big reason this is coming to light. Thanks for your passion for the Book of Mormon.
Only other place I know of that talked about it was /pol/
Considering where these plates were found, what if these were sacred records and personal family items that Lehi brought from Jerusalem and the Lord said to him: “for a wise purpose in me, bury these things up here to come forth in mine own due time”
It would be insane if they found writings of the book of Zenos!
Or Zenock. Oh wait > "Zadock"?
@@rconger24. Zadok was the High Priest of Israel during the reigns of David and Solomon. He aided King David during the revolt of his son Absalom, was subsequently instrumental in bringing Solomon to the throne and officiated at Solomon's coronation.
Zenos and Zenock are mentioned in 3 Nephi 10:16 as being ancestors of the Nephites. Don Bradley says their writings may have been *only* on the Brass Plates.
I'm pretty sure that they are going to find writings from the Book of Zelph before they get to Zenos (even if only due to the alphabetical order). They may even find the writings of Zeezrom, the corrupt Nephite lawyer...and Zippityzoozah, the righteous Nephite lawyer who defeated him in one courtroom battle after another. Those records will most likely be found engraved upon plates of ziff.
Maybe not because Zenos was probably from the northern kingdom that had been taken into captivity by Assyria. The Hebrews that escaped to Arabia probably came only from the southern kingdom of Judah and virtually did not have Zenos writings if he was from the north kingdom. But, if you had the brass plates, a record kept by descendants of Joseph who fled from the north to the south due to Jeroboam’s introduction of idolatry, as the Bible records, or to flee from the Assyrians, then you might have known about Zenos. Or I could just be wrong. Who knows for sure?
You need to have Bruce Porter on. He can translate this as he is an expert on Middle Eastern language. Freeze frame what has been shown and enlarge. I bet he could at least give a summary.
This also goes right along with what President Nelson said we are living in a time when nothing will be held back. I do not know who said it, but it was that there would be a time when undesputable evidence that the book of Mormon was a true book and they would still deny it. What an amazing time we live in!
Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Joseph F. Smith. List can go on.
I struggled with this video. I'm an active member of the church and am familiar with all the issues related to BoM historicity and translation. My wife left the church a few years ago and I've remained active and have been on a journey trying to understand and reconcile a lot of issues that were challenging for my wife (and many other members). I could only get through about 30 minutes of this video, it was too frustrating. I wasn't seeing the connections and how it overcomes the issues related to the BoM. Many scholars and even in a General Conference talk (Elder Soares) are seeing the BoM as a revelation, the plates not being used, expansion theory etc. Seeing the BoM as a revelation seems to be the only way to try and overcome the many issues. This rhetoric is a departure from the narrative I grew up with over the past 30-40 years and not what Joseph Smith indicated about the nature of the BoM and translation process. Perhaps I need to watch more of this video. I suspect though that scholars will have information on this discovery that will provide greater clarity. I appreciate that many people will be excited about this. I will be interested to follow this story further and hear the views of scholars, experts in this field.
czcams.com/video/XyV9KuA3SUQ/video.htmlsi=k79r_-L6Ys3Ixg8w why is this lady saying it's not authenticated yet. And why is this guy trying to sell his book connected to it. What if it's not authentic. I want it to be true but be wise and wait till something has been proven true through the right channels of authority.
czcams.com/video/XyV9KuA3SUQ/video.htmlsi=k79r_-L6Ys3Ixg8w right guys?
President J Ruben Clark said “ If we have truth, [it] cannot be harmed by investigation. If we have not truth, it ought to be harmed”
Indeed nothing is being held back, there’s indisputable evidence against the Book of Mormon. Some people are just stuck in cognitive dissonance and don’t want to look at the evidence.
Yeah, it almost makes one wish that the LDS Church was led by, you know, prophets, seers and revemuhlators who held the keys of "translation" by the "gift and power of God". If only something like that existed....well....if something like that existed we could have the definitive translation and explanation almost immediately. Too bad there isn't anything like that. Like just imagine if someone like Russell M. Nelson had some kind of powers and abilities like that. Instead of spending so much time trying to keep the financial/asset holdings of the Church opaque to the ordinary members, he could be delivering amazing spiritual insights and relevant historical truths to the world for the edification of all people. And all the experts would be dumbfounded and confounded by the accuracy and impeccable perfection of the "Rusty Translations" (as such body of work would come to be known).
You guys just made my pre-conference week! Thank you for sharing!
I posted about this in the Ezra's Eagle Facebook group on April 1 and a bunch of people thought it was an April's fools joke. I should have waited a day, but I was too excited about it to wait! It's exciting what the Lord is revealing in the Last Days! Great job on your commentary!
I saw it there and didn’t even think about it being April 1st so I was so excited!
That was me. I thought it was a joke. This is so big I’m not even sure what to think. But these guys’ enthusiasm is infectious for sure.
The most important evidence is the witness God will give you when you sincerely read the book, ponder, and ask whether it is true.
thanks captain obvious... whats your point? smh... if an evidence comes out we should just ad nauseum repeat your phrase? smh
The Lord gives you evidence after the trial of your faith. Those who want to believe will believe. Those who don’t, won’t. It’s just nice to hear evidence that supports what I believe.
@@janfelshaw8217 What if your not a believer and see this and other "evidence" and it causes you to read and pray about it? Your one size fits all comment is missing the point. (I agree that the only way to know is to pray about it) But to say that in this post is kinda obvious)
Exactly! I’m a witness to the BoM. God spoke to me from its wonderful pages & removed my violent behavior.
It’s neat to find evidence like this & did my own research online. I bought the book He walked the Americas about Christ from the native Americans.
Then I found Burrows cave & the carvings on those rocks were amazing. There were carvings of ships like unto a dish. There is one carving of Christ with an American Indian greeting each other with a sign. You will know what I mean if you went to the Temple but no one knows what this carving means. It’s better to not tell others because once something is related to the BoM it automatically becomes a fake & might get destroyed. Be careful who you tell.
@@smileysun9212 Removed your violent behavior? Could the BOM have prevented Jeff Dhamer or anyone else from acting out?
You just know all three of them have been trying to figure out “how do we explain that this is not related to the Book of Mormon? Well, we just won’t mention the obvious elephant in the room at all.”
100% - I thought the same thing
It's written in paleo Hebrew Not reformed, Egyptian... they lived all over that area until the Muslims kicked them out. The star of David is pagan They did not use it then.. This is not connected to the book of mormon Whatsoever. This just reminds me of Evolutionism Trying to relate everything to their theory.. 🤦♂️
😂 - clearly your being intentionally thick.
@@pizzapilgrim6525, you know that the very idea that anyone ever wrote on thin, gold plates, or metal at all, let alone assembled them into an actual book has been ridiculed for almost 200 years, right?
@@pizzapilgrim6525 this has less to do with being “related” to the Book of Mormon, so much as it is proof that #1 writing in reformed or paleo Hebrew (a form of ancient shorthand),was common in ancient Middle East #2 It comes from an area scholars suspect Lehi’s family traveled through or knew about, #3 gives further evidence of intricate temple worship symbolisms, #4 is likely Hebrew origin, and the list goes on. It’s just one more very potential credible piece of evidence for believers in the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. For the non-believer, it’s just one more prick to kick their heels against.
However, with all the proofs in the pudding the “related” to the Book of Mormon has more to do with ancient middle Eastern beliefs that were common in the time frame of the Book of Mormon that are supported, to a degree, within said book.
I think the above comment about sharing with the contacts in their phone might just be my friend...cause I'm here because of a link from a friend. So amazing!!
Thanks for having Dave Butler on again! I am a real fan!!!
Ok! Haven’t watched CZcams in a long time but I saw this notification and jumped to it! This is so exciting!
I literally just sent a link to this episode to everyone in my phone contacts! My heart is burning!!!
You’re amazing!
Careful, these are 4 years old, and these guys have not allowed for independent authentication. They bring these out whenever they need donations
@MemyzelphandI yes, however, at 1:18 he brings out the latest artifacts including one with 12 seals. All of this incredible to me...especially because it is NOT coming from people familiar with the Boom of Mormon. There are collections of led books completely separate from this site that completely corroborate this new finding- go google: Margaret Baker Led plates. She is an Anglican minster and scholar that has done an in-depth study on them.
It’s a forgery by the same dude you made the Jordan Lead Codices
@@MemyzelphandI😂 you are not a serious person and no one but your mother actually likes you.
You guys are a riot to watch! Thanks for the commentary! This is amazing!
Mind, heart and soul blown away. Shared all over the place and still sharing.
Me too 🙏
I have been glued to this video
I am some kind of excited.
Wild! Think of how precious this artifact is. And how much more precious its record is. If this is so shocking. Then how much more precious and valuable is the Book of Mormon! We don’t know what we have. And thanks to people like Dave Butler, we are beginning to have the plain and precious things revealed and restored to its proper and true order!
From my reading this morning in the Book of Mormon, Jacob 4:1 Now behold, it came to pass that I, Jacob, having ministered much unto my people in word, (and I cannot write but a little of my words, because of the difficulty of engraving our words upon plates) and we know that the things which we write upon plates must remain;
Yes. That's a perfect example of hilarious irony. "It's so difficult engraving our words upon plates, so I'm going to waste time and effort writing about how difficult it is to engrave words upon the plates and how I have to therefore leave out other important words...instead of concisely writing something important that I had to leave out...because, you, know the necessity of leaving important words out is due to the difficulty of engraving words upon the plates." For behold, yea, verily, it came to pass that the Book of Mormon didst come to be a book full of exceedingly excess verbiage of dubious value, save it be for the numerous passages copied verbatim and wholesale from that Bible that will for future generations be known as the Version of King James, or in other words the King James Version. And this hath a stone revealed unto me by the gift and power of God, yea, even from the darkness and the depths of my large hat.
It will be so interesting if these finds are published and the artifacts can be placed in a museum. If so, there will be lots of back and forth in the scholarship which will be so good to dig into. Thanks for sharing fellas.
Mr. PHD could maybe help with that!
@@thestickofjoseph news flash, they're fake. you really believe he discovered the oldest record of the 4 gospels? you realize he claims that on his website right? you guys are so dumb
How exciting. I received my testimony from the Holy Ghost, but so fun to see things come forth more clearly explaining the word of God. Carol THANKS
Who/what is the Holy Ghost? Is it an invisible, odorless, inaudible entity? Did someone tell you that such a thing exists and that when you have certain emotions that means that you're getting messages from the ghost? Can't the omnipotent God of all things come up with a better way to communicate?
The 24 are the 12 Apostle from the old world and 12 from the new world. To Judge
That’s what I thought. 😊
This was shared with me by a sister in my ward before i found you are sharing it too. This is going to be well-shared! On 🔥...
The Church purchasing the Kirkland Temple & seeing this is Amazing!
I can’t wait for Conference coming up!
Just sent this to my fam. So cool!
42:21, they are not stars, they are representations of the sun (which is in actuality, a star). They represent the perpetual light that comes from God, as do the lit candles of the menorah. Gold also was a symbol of the sun, with the belief that the metal contained the sun in it. Which, in a way it does. Gold was created in one of two ways that we know: 1. Neutron-star mergers, or 2.Supernova nucleosynthesis. Both of which are processes born of stars.
This is the original video made during the Shabbat Night Live show in which they discuss the gold and lead records/plates in Saudi Arabia. This video was posted to their channel 5 days ago.
The Gold Book | Shabbat Night Live czcams.com/video/DlzwDcsWw04/video.html
I’m so happy you shared this. I enjoyed remotely nerding out with you
This is awesome!!! Great job, guys!
Ramses III exhibit had many carved/embossed metal plates on display. That was cool. This is soooo much more awesome!
So much this!
This all reminds me of when as a full-time missionary and many times since I have said that ancient prophets had the fullness of the gospel and knew Christ. The Israelites had more truth then they had a falling away. This is so exciting!
So exciting and wonderful! I understand your excitement, but honestly so hard to hear when you two have your side conversations while the video is playing. Took me twice as long to watch this video because I kept having to rewind and listen again 😅
What!? That’s the best part!
I found that a little distracting as well, however, they bring up great points that otherwise may be missed. Go watch the original Shabbat Night Live now that you’ve seen this one and it’s great!!
When I saw these plates I thought of you David… the page with the pillars and the tree between them reminded me of things you have said
As soon as they realize this verifies Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, they are going to freak out and wipe this so that no one ever sees this again…
No it doesn’t. Don’t be silly. Joey is as much as a fraud as he ever was and the BoM is still , as it has always been, fiction.
Where are the sealed gold plates though?
They said they found them, but then just showed some other artefacts that have nothing to do with the visions of the brother of Jared
@@mikkifrompreston43962 Nephi 27: 16 ”and the learned (you) shall say: bring hither the book (gold plates) and I will read them. And now, because of the glory of the world and to get gain will they say this, and not for the glory of God.”
17: and the man shall say: I cannot bring the book (gold plates) for it is sealed.
18: then shall the learned (you) say: I cannot read it.
19: …the Lord God shall deliver again the book (gold plates) and the words (Book of Mormon) thereof to him that is not learned.
You fulfilled prophecy and manifested truth before my eyes. Thank you.
If it's the Lord's will, he will bring it about. The Lord's purposes will not be thwarted
But, Dr. Zaius, the doll...
Wow! That is really neat! Can't wait to find out if they can get more research on these artifacts from Saudi Arabia
I needed a good laugh today, thank you guys
As of 3:30AM 4/4, Shabbat Night Live Gold Plate episode is sitting at 12K views and you have over 18K! Nice work gentlemen! 🎉
There were no stairs in the temple, as having stairs was against the law of Moses.
Hmmmmmm... didn't Brother Joseph say that the earth would bring forth proof of the B of M and the latter day work?
Shabbat night live. Who would have thought? So awesome!
I love that name!
Right!? That name is 🔥🔥🔥!! Clever guys!!
Wow, this is so amazing!! How exciting to find such great evidence of the truth of thr Book of Mormon. Such a great confirmation to my faith in the book.
Outstanding episode!
What a time to be alive! The voice is hissing from the dust!
More like burping from the dust.
This is like a Mystery Science Theater version of their CZcams video - Love it!
Seriously epic👌. I'm grateful for the book of Mormon more now than ever before. It has been a lifesaver for me
GUYS!!! Call Bruce Porter on this!!!
I came to the comments to say this! 😀🙌
Yes Bruce Porter!
I met him in Arizona as a missionary! Extraordinary man! I think he spoke or knew 14 ancient languages 20 years ago.
He is one of my favorites for sure!
The 3 doorways, “The Way” “The Truth” “The Life” temple procession.
😳❤️🔥
50,000 views in less than 24 hours! Thank you for sharing and expounding on this wonderful news!
This is super cool… can’t wait to read Dave’s new book! Dave has helped me see an entirely new layer to the Book of Mormon that I never grasped after reading it 28 times before.
This may get lost among the 544 other comments, but the 8-pointed star symbol represents the Goddess or Queen of Heaven throughout Middle Eastern traditions. Very relevant to Dave's whole thesis. Much love to you guys and thank you for this!
Is that the same as the 8-pointed star, formed by overlaying 2 squares, referred to as the Seal of Melchizedek?
@@MusicBlik I believe those two symbols, and many more cosmic symbols, share a common origin that is based on something that actually appeared in the sky. But they look very different. For an example of the form that represents feminine deities, look up the Star of Ishtar.
The eight pointed star is the Seal of Melchizedek according to Hugh Nibley! That little star has 8 points!!! Priesthood, priestly people writing about the temple!!!!😊
Excerpt from BYU Religious Study Center article ("The Seal of Melchizedek?"): "One fact consistently overlooked by those who circulate the story of the seal of Melchizedek is that Nibley was not the original source for that phrase. While the comment appears in his book Temple and Cosmos, the author of the caption (to which the legend can be traced) was Michael Lyon, the book’s illustrator. Lyon thought he had once seen the design in a book on Catholic symbolism, but he doubted the legitimacy of the name or title. In Temple and Cosmos, he used the term “so-called” to suggest caution about putting too much stock in the name or the seal’s connection with Melchizedek." " Thus it seems likely that Nibley never actually examined or approved the caption, though he likely had been introduced to the mistaken connection between the symbol and Melchizedek through Lyon’s innocent passing remark."
Shalom and thank you so much for making this video! What an awesome time we are living in! This amazing book of gold plates has both halashon kodesh and pictures. You know the old adage “a picture is worth a thousand words.” The message of G-d is very powerful indeed. Todah Rabah. Baruch HaShem!
It makes me wonder… Before I always thought of the plates as being sealed, as in bound by bands. But could it mean that sealed plates have nothing to do with bands, but instead has to do with a certain insignia like a state seal? That way you know it’s authentic…? 1:22:15
“I cannot read a sealed book” makes it difficult to misinterpret the type of seal….
Great thought. Like one of the seals or family crest rather meaningful both to stamp the crest and seal it.
@@amynazza unless he meant he was not worthy to do so
Cool stuff, guys!
I was watching it live the other day and I commented about the Book of Mormon. Boy was I shot down!
I saw that! Haha stand strong💪🏼
When was that interview with the 2 Christians on the Shabbat Night Live done originally? I'm not surprised they shot you down.
Yet, so much of what is presented are clear analogs to what our founding narratives share. Tree of life, reformed Egyptian, Golden Plates, precious stuff kept on gold while historical stuff kept on other plates/records, Jews living far from their homeland, etc.
@nealljones it was just last Friday that they were live so everything was pretty recent. Within the last few months. They didn’t want to hear anything I had to say😂
@@SoCalSaint492 They can't easily, rationally deny our narratives.
What were their common objections to your comments about their gold book and our golden plates?
@nealljones I brought up the Book of Mormon being an ancient Hebrew record. They just came at me with the same comments we always get. Joseph Smith was a fraud, and a few others. I wish I would’ve commented more but I felt like a sheep in the middle of a pack of wolves.
Okay... When I saw the tree between the two pillars I gasped. That's amazing. Mind blown. Too many coincidences. Yall are genius.
This is so cool, the priests of Zadok are also talked about in the Dead Sea scrolls in Qumran.
So exciting!❤
My inner 13yr old archeology nerd is fangirling for sure! This is soooooo cool!
have you read the gospel topics essay on the BoA facsimilies?
@@mikkifrompreston4396 I don’t think so. I’ve looked at the images and read the pearl of great price.
You should bring Robert Kay in on this. It would wild.
this is FANTASTIC
The two "star" like characters on that second book could possibly be the urim and thummin (aka Lights and Perfections).
Those were my thoughts. Somehow the light has something to do with it!
Fascinating!
I believe that the two symbols that look like the sun, are symbolic of the Celestial kingdom. The kingdoms of God are compared to the Sun, the Moon and the Stars. Our Heavenly Father and that which pertains to the highest kingdom, would be represented by the Sun; Our Heavenly Parent's countenance would be considered that of the brightness of the sun.
@@loribunker2528 That’s true actually. 👍
Cue the untethered helium balloons of creative interpretations based on wishful thinking and confirmation bias.
Margaret Barker is doing some fascinating work on lead codecies from Jordan.
Love this, David you are always amazing
So exciting! Keep your seatbelt buckled up! ☀️❤️
The entire time I am watching these guys talk about “Hebrews being in Saudi Arabia”, they appear to be uncomfortable talking about gold book, with links to a Hebrew tribe, the name of Yahweh etc. Most evangelicals know the story of the LDS church and they have spent their entire life debunking Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon yet here they are giving evidence that what they have demonized could have actually been true. They seem to be working hard to make this all look new and unique and you can see that they are either ignorant to the origins of the Restoration or they do not want to hint at anything connecting this to evidence that Joseph Smith was actually a prophet of God and the Book of Mormon is an ancient record of a group of people who left Jerusalem in the 600s BC just prior to the destruction of Jerusalem!
Can you please provide me with actual academic citation for this golden book. I want to see a book, not just one tiny religious ritual on a plate.
@@danielclingen34 apparently you did not watch the video so …
There is a Dr Jan Martin that talks about “Suzerainty” agreements or contracts being common in Hebrew culture for instance Nephi lament is written in the style of Suzerainty contracts that would get a seal.
Awesome!🤯😱🥳👀💜🤍
“Marvel not that I said unto you here is wisdom, show it not unto the world, that you may be preserved.
Behold I do not say that you shall not show it unto the righteous; But as you cannot always judge the righteous, or you cannot always tell the wicked from the righteous, therefore I say unto you, hold your peace until I shall see fit to make all things known unto the world concerning the matter.” D&C 10:35-37
I love your excitement.
My mind is BLOWN!!! This is so amazing. 2 Nephi 29 anyone??? How about this… “God Will Yet Reveal”
By Elder Neal A. Maxwell
Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
When the doc with the 12 seals and the one matching the description of what Anthon saw… 🤯 I’m just in awe.
God is Great! Expect miracles!!!
This is awesome!
Great discussion! Very exciting! Towards the end of your video you ask how many steps there are in Jacob's Ladder. I would recommend that you read Avraham Gileadi's works on Isaiah, he discusses this at length. Using Isaiah's words he describes the seven rungs on the ladder.
By this, Book of Mormon is simply true
How? This presents zero evidence towards proving the BOM as true. That claim is as week as the video the other Mormon channel put out about them finding the name Lehi on a house in the middle East. No other evidence but boy oh boy the presenter was 100% on fire for the idea that being the Lehi from the BOM Lehi was a very common name like "Smith" in a phonebook.
I don’t think so, however, it strengthens my personal faith and also makes the idea of gold plates more plausible. I don’t think we’ll ever be handed a perfect evidence, otherwise there’s no longer a need for faith. It’s fun for sure and helps, but we carefully need to remember the need and requirement of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
3:15 - Background on temple symbolism in the Book of Mormon
6:00 - Gold plates contained writings in ancient Hebrew
11:38 - Gold plates were found near Medina, along Lehi's trail in the Book of Mormon
13:09 - Writings on the plates obsess over the Tree of Life and temple motifs
20:23 - Lead plates contained longer histories, gold plates had abridged "precious" things
26:17 - Menorah symbolism is prevalent, representing the Tree of Life
28:41 - Whoever wrote the plates were obsessed with temple imagery and symbols
30:55 - Metal plates contained mixtures of languages like Hebrew and Egyptian
37:56 - The group that wrote the plates were likely a priestly family that fled Jerusalem
39:46 - Priestly records were often lost when the ruling class changed
40:31 - The record keepers were likely Semitic people who kept parts of Egyptian culture
45:47 - Seals on the plates mirror descriptions of the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon
48:40 - Speculation about the meaning of symbols on the plates
51:25 - The discovered records strongly corroborate elements of the Book of Mormon
52:03 - Another gold book from a different source, indicating there may be many such records
54:12 - Possible metallurgical composition of the plates
57:11 - Images and text on the plates depict biblical stories and symbols
1:01:57 - A recently discovered lead container with Hebrew writing and a menorah symbol
1:06:51 - Linguistic analysis of the text on the plates, likely a mixture of languages
1:14:51 - Potential connection to the Zadok priesthood and lost records
1:17:36 - Cleaning and examining the delicate lead plates
1:18:38 - A sealed metal book with 12 seals, indicating an important ancient agreement
1:22:18 - Detailed analysis of the symbols on the 12 seals
Baz comin in hot with the chapters! Thank you my friend!
@@thestickofjoseph🫡
Thank you so much! This helps me go back and forth multiple times to specific moments to help me nail down these things as I process it all.
I can not find any information regarding these plates online to verify their existence, let alone their claimed age. Do you have any relevant links/sources?
Edit: Had date wrong.
Hay guys did you see that symbol on that leather case it looks like one of the characters that Joseph Smith wrote down on that piece of paper of the symbols and characters for the book of Mormon if i could say it looks like a total match
Exciting times we live in when the Lord will reveal all things hidden he's arm is over his people his church 😊
Just WOW. Mind blown.
How cool! It looks like the video keeps jumping forward.
Hey question! the gold book that was found in Saudi Arabia, is it the same language of the gold plates from the original BOM? and are there any direct quotes on what was found on this? (just a investigator asking ;)
I normally don't comment before I watch a video in full, but hopefully I'll be able to finish watching soon. As the beginning goes though, I would have hoped to see a little more skepticism as they begin to see "new evidence." I use quotes, because one should keep in mind these artifacts could be forgeries, or from a different location that was claimed, or many other possibilities. Remember these are not archaeologists that are discussing this. This is especially important if there is a financial incentive involved. I'm seeing they address the possibility of a forgery, but I don't think they're really giving it or other possibilities adequate thought. The desire to believe is a powerful thing.
And they immediately associate "lead and gold" books with "bronze and gold," is it not significant that they use lead instead of bronze? Those are quite different metals after all, with bronze being an alloy with very different properties and forging technique.
The blind spots these young youtubers have is quite shocking. It seems they want to believe so hard that they immediately discount the idea that this "new evidence" might be a forgery or be for some financial incentive.
I think these guys on the youtube channel have already made up their mind and are now scrambling desperately to show logically and reasonably any justification for their irrational belief.
At 38 minutes in, they talk about the chamber that they found the artifacts in, and the reaction from SOJ was to say how similar the description was to the one Joseph gave. But, the description is just, "a chamber with gold artifacts" which would describe almost any room in the world, that had gold in it. I mean literally all of them actually. Because a chamber just means a room. I think chamber might actually be more vague.
@@weightelk They belong to an evidence-hungry religious organization. The origin story of the BoM (as told by the Church's founder, Joseph Smith) requires belief in: (1) a glow-in-the-dark-resurrected-man-angel named Moroni; (2) translation of an extensive ancient historical record on a huge stack of golden plates by way of a magic rock in a hat and magic crystals connected to a breastplate; and (3) the convenient disappearance of all of those magical things (except for the rock, which now is apparently just a rock...maybe the battery died) because the aforementioned Moroni took those amazing objects all up to heaven for safekeeping.
Another "seed" reference in the Old Testament is Isaiah 53:10, speaking of the Atonement: "...When thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand." Abinadi expounded on this phrase in the Book of Mormon, Mosiah 15:10-13.
I thought of Alma, planting the "seed" in your heart.
So cool !
The size of the plates is interesting. It reminds me of a video I saw once of a dig near the Kidron Valley where they found similar size, small lead plates with "cursings" on them I wonder if these shown in the video might be what the "blessing " plates could have been like.
Do any of the characters from these plates match the ones that were purchased from the Community of Christ called Caractors?
I personally found some matches
(Mormon 9:32-33)
32 And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech.
33 And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record.
If a space follows a colon the allog does not mistake it for a Timestamp. 9: _32-33
Love the video, but can you guys please do something about the volume control? Every time you look at each other, or back away from the microphones, I can barely hear you. I crank up the volume on my pc to listen to what you're saying, just to get blasted when you get close to the mic again or click play on the video you are responding to.
Maybe get some headsets or something... so we get a consistent volume when you guys get excited and move your heads around. =)
I'm fairly familiar with paleo-Hebrew. The leaf on the right (25:37) looks like the back of the embossing because the paleo-Hebrew is backwards. The first line you were asking about, I believe is YHVH... It's kind of hard to say for sure without seeing the leaves in person because one letter in particular. If I were to give a quick translation of what I see on that leaf, I would say it reads: "YHVH the book".
❤❤❤❤the book of mormon is the greatest book on the planet earth 🌏 God is the proof of the book!!God signature,is all over in the book 📖 my favorite book to study!! It makes view the Bible in a totally new lens,,,the book of mormon is the book about LOVE,,,CHARITY THE PURE LOVE OF GOD!!THE PURE LOVE OF CHRIST,,,I'M A WITNESS FOR THE BOOK!
I have to wonder if this is a book for temple priests that doesn’t write out the temple’s sacred secrets, so only those in the know fully know what it means.
Yes, Ancient shorthand.
Gotta watch again and take a nap!! Hope Maragret Barker and Mike Day joins the team and the church buys the plates.