Atlanta and Cleveland's battle to end baseball misery deserves a deep rewind
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2023
- After a (slightly) strike-shortened 1995 season, the World Series returned with a match-up of the miserable: Cleveland embodied baseball irrelevance for over 40 years, while Atlanta's awful and empty decades of pro baseball had the honor of a national broadcast. Then the 90s hit, and Cleveland built baseball's best offense, while Atlanta's starting pitching dominated the sport. One franchise had a chance to end decades of misery. The other one? Well, maybe that city would win a Super Bowl? (lol)
Written and produced by Steven Godfrey
Edited by Brian Torres
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Awesome that Skip's call and Pete's repeated "Yes" were included at the end. Those two voices are forever linked to my favorite Braves memories growing up.
the rhythm was immaculate.
That was Skip and Joe.
God I miss Skip man…. I listened to that old crotchedy codger every gd chance I got - pre-show. Postgame, whatever. Skip talkin - I’m listenin.
To this DAY, my feathers bristle every time Harry Belefonte hits the loudspeakers
Still gives me chills
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As an Indians fan, the moment this notification popped up I slowly responded "oh no"
Whenever there's areminder,
some people, "Oh no,"
Some people, "bwahahahahahha,"
everyone else, "Oh, look at this."
GO BRAVOS BABY
I need a few fireball shots before I watch this
Felt the same exact way when I saw the video about the ‘92 Pirates NLCS loss caused by… the Braves.
@An Obscure Tenet Hey, you still have to deal with a team blowing a 28-3 lead in the Super Bowl
The freshness of the bicolor Cleveland dugout jackets can’t be denied
As a Cleveland fan, I just want the pain to end.
You can choose to walk away. (It's what I did.)
The Indians said called me "racist" for liking Chief Wahoo, so I stopped watching Indians games. The Browns destroyed everything they have improved upon recently, and also hired a rapist as a quarterback, so I stopped watching Browns games. I've never really cared that much about basketball.
I'm out.
As a Braves hater I was rooting for Cleveland in 95. And even in 2016 against the Cubs. I still HATE the name change. Nothing wrong with "Indians" especially when we still have the Braves and their Native American theming. Why does Cleveland get the shaft???
Ride high on the 2024 agenda
Although I was ecstatic to see my Cubbies finally won it all in 2016 I did feel for Indians fans. We know your pain. I hope you get to see them win a World Series
@@SamBrickell you did like a racist caricature of a Native American sooo calling you racist fits.
Calling Fred McGriff serviceable just continues the disrespect he's gotten his entire life.
Justice too. Both great players.
@@JohnSmith-ef2sx It's a basketball channel. What do you expect?
I called Fred McGriff's All-Star game winning homerun only to realize later in life that we share the same birthday.
The crime dog is a 🐐 nickname too
@@JohnSmith-ef2sxhe smashed Halle berry 🐐
Another positive Atlanta Rewinder video. We’re all blessed.
Another?
@@George_Fl0yd ‘92 Sid Bream Slide Game. Another well produced memory by SecretBase.
@@chrisharvill1353 my bad thank u
well they are America’s Team
@@markjackson6431 is it 1992 again?
I was fine with the objective breakdown of this monumental series in the first great baseball season of my Cleveland fandom.
Until that final play, when a million little daggers pierced my heart all over again. Damn you, Secret Base. Damn me for watching!
I quit watching RIGHT BEFORE the actual pitch. My heart can’t take it… 😩😩
The pain never ends
It does after enough shots of Everclear
@@thekidfromcleveland3944 what about the hangover
@@tomlombardo6051 Hair of the dog is always worth a shot 🤷♂
@@thekidfromcleveland3944 Someone has spent too many days at the Jake & The factory of sadness. Lol I laughed at this quite a bit. It gets better!
As a Brewers fan, I understand. Hate the Braves.
As a Tribe fan, this series never bothered me that much. I was really just happy they got there. I had a lot of respect for the Braves, and they were the better team in that series. There are only two things that bother me about 1995: they still haven't closed the deal since then (and they've had some golden opportunities) and I know that if they'd beaten Atlanta, the '95 Indians would be considered one of the greatest teams of all time. Still, 1997 and 2016 bother me a lot more. So does 2007 and 2017, for that matter.
Secret Base should do a video on the 2021 Braves ending their two decade title drought. Below .500. Lost multiple stars due to injury but turned it around at the trade deadline by adding Rosario, Pederson, Duvall, and Soler. That 2021 Braves postseason was a magical run nobody saw coming!
As a Tribe fan at 10 years old that was tough. The 95 Indians were extremely fun to watch. Don't forget the start of Manny being Manny, getting picked off by Javy Lopez at 1st base late in a loss.
Incredible memories and a exuberant amount of 9th inning comeback victories. Atlanta's pitching staff just had our number that year. Still waiting for that championship....
Being a kid in the 90s I remember how it was insane to me how good the Braves were for them to only have one title
the Yankees had something to say about it
team of hall of famers and just 1 ring. really shows how much luck you need to win championships
@@roccos9777 yankees bro. cant have 2 dynasties at once
@@MGBillionaire lost to the yankees 2 times but i get what youre saying
That's atlanta sports for ya. City is simply cursed
The little anecdote about the fan leaving the free tickets and finding more tickets than left was brilliant
If only the Atlanta Falcons could end my 10+ years of misery and suffering
🏴☠
Aye man im a panthers fan so most of us non-Bucs fans from the NFC South feel that pain
TEN YEARS????? JUST TEN??? I've been waiting since the 70s
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Try since I was born back in 1999.
We’re all still hoping. I’ve been following the Falcons since ‘06 but we all can unite in the pain of SB LI.
"if anyone deserves a happy ending...it's Cleveland"
*Deshaun Watson has entered the chat*
The suffering hasn't ended for Cleveland fans
And it probably never will. The last time Cleveland won a world series, my 82 year old grandpa was just starting school.
Patrik Stefan's empty net miss deserves a rewind. What a remarkable moment in NHL history. Oilers vs Flames is a beef SB should look at covering.
It was a bizarre play but it didn't have a lot of historic ramifications. It was a midseason game and Stefan's team still won it in a shootout.
@@dozenthdragon disagreed. There is enough meat to the story of Stefan. That goal perfectly articulated his career as an NHLer.
@@dozenthdragon
Actually… it did. Oilers fell a spot in the lottery, losing out on the first pick… which became Chicago’s Patrick Kane. If Stefan makes the goal, the Oilers get Kane, and the Blackhawks dynasty never happens.
@@bagofgroceries Even so it wouldn't have been Edmonton in place of that dynasty, seeing how they've done with multiple top picks later
@@reintaler6355 still causes a massive butterfly effect in all of hockey. For multiple reasons.
I went to one of the games in this series. My grandparents were huge Braves fans and they took me to Fulton County Stadium for I think game two. It was great because I was 7 at the time and I got to stay up late to watch the games!
This was my childhood first World Series, and Kenny Lofton is still my all-time favourite player. Should be in the HOF
I got to see a game when he came back to the Indians and played left. Him wheeling around after warmups and pegging John Adams' drum at the top of the bleachers was awesome. RIP John Adams. Kenny was arrogant at times and never saw a called third strike he agreed with, but he's our guy. Solid dude. Exciting player.
As a braves fan, yes Kenny lofton deserves in the HOF. Most dangerous leadoff hitter of the 90s. Also got on base.
Most heartbreaking career ever. Kind of chased a ring and came close so many times. Legend.
Kenny is one of the most notable HOF snubs of his era. He was the best lead off hitter in baseball not named Rickey Henderson of the 90s.
Not winning a ‘chip in ANY spot shouldn’t have an impact on your HOF candidacy. He played for a competitive Cleveland team, played in front of the Yankees crowd (HoF voters like that) had a long career…
My opinion doesn’t matter but baseball’s voters (the BBWPA or whatever) rarely seen it to get it right when it comes to Cooperstown. The Cy Young is another head-scratcher more seasons than not.
@@maxdawson2948 still deserves to be in Cooperstown! I thoroughly disagree with the weight placed championships when players are up for HOF consideration. ESPECIALLY in baseball.
Since the writers DO care about winning, that Indians team won a competitive AL crown twice. Since they also really care about the market, Lofton played for the Yanks; where the writers/media in general consistently overrate players in pinstripes.
Also Secret Base, I absolutely love everything you do, and I'm sure you're not intending to piss people off, but if I pay for Premium I shouldn't be seeing ads. That's the entire point.
This serves as a great companion piece to the Dorktown Mariners Doc, particularly the "Battle for New York" season/storyline, AND the Falcons doc !Just incredible sports storytelling on this channel.
That Falcons doc was damn good
I was six years old when I watched this, I became a Braves fan that night, and have been ever since.
Man i miss baseball from my early childhood years from 1990-1996. Started watching in 1990 when my Reds won the world series. Then the next season watching Puckett's game winning game 6 homerun and that amazing game 7 duel between Black Jack and Smoltz. Then the rise of the Bluejays winning back to back titles and Carter's legendary homerun to win the series. Young superstars like Ken Griffey Jr,Frank Thomas,Juan Gonzalez,Piazza,Bagwell,Maddux,Glavine,Chipper,Justice,Larkin...etc along with legendary stars like Cal Ripken,Nolan Ryan,Clemeans...etc. Baseball was really good back then.
Another episode of my favorite series on yt, just when I think there’s only so many things you guys can rewind, there’s a moment im unfamiliar with that has me just as interested in it’s lore. Thanks for another awesome vid
Rewinder: Super Bowl 32
Beef History: Eddie George vs the Ravens
Untitled: Henrik Lundqvist
Collapse: How the Dallas Mavericks went from nearly making the 1988 NBA Finals to 13 years of misery
It's wild knowing that Cleveland now has the longest World Series drought and unlike the Cubs before them, they've appeared in the Series a number of times since their last championship. The Cubs didn't play in the Series for 71 years, barely even sniffing a chance at being MLB champions all that time, whereas Cleveland has been to four in the time since their last championship. I don't know if that's better or worse than the Cubs' plight, tbh, but it feels good not being team with the longest championship drought in baseball at long last!
That Cleveland team was loaded that year and was the best team in baseball, but if I was an Indians fan I would be more pissed about losing that 1997 Series against the Marlins in the last AB of a game 7. That Series was theirs for the taking, but that Marlins team seemed to have everything break their way in that playoffs that year. Eric Gregg and that '97 NLCS still has me lamenting as a Braves fan.
Right? How TF do you get legit talent out of nowhere one year and then suffer a 100 loss season the next?
With Godfrey at the helm, it is obvious and welcomed that for the climax of the rewinder, he uses Skip Carey’s radio call and not the national broadcast. Love you Godfrey, even if you hate my team.
im gonna have to watch the 3part Cavs videos again to feel better......also the strikezones were alllllll kinds of BS
For real! Glavine’s pitches were in the other batters box!
“The Atlanta braves have given you a championship” what a call
I'm glad 2021 happened so I can look back on this with better reflection
One of the greatest pitching staffs of all time vs one of the greatest line ups of all time.
when the rewind for jose mesa choking the '97 world series (4 strikes away!) remind me so I can be equally as depressed as right now
They did that already. They’ve done three of our last four World Series losses.
@@owenschnitzler9340 good lord
Fun fact: Baerga was the last out in 3 of the 6 games that Series
The happiness I felt when Grissom made that catch.
This reminds me of the 2016 World Series.😢
Right. We choked a 3-1 lead with game 7 at home :(
😂😂😂😂 sorry a cubs fans and could not help myself
The braves had SO many chances in the 90's, I don't feel bad for them at all. Cleveland is a different story.
Besides at least the Braves got one
"team of the 90s" my ass lol
Should have been back to back to back champions. The 96 and 97 teams were just as strong
@@dollartwentychickentendies The Yankees ripped that moniker out of Atlanta's hands by the end of the decade.
Funny how all their 100-win seasons ended in failure and it was the 90-win campaign that ended in glory
Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
Rewinder: game 6 1985
Rewinder: 2010 World Cup Final
Untitled: Zlatan in the champions league
Untitled: Ted Williams
Untitled: Ronaldo Nazario in the champions league
Untitled: pavel Bure
Rewinder: game 7 of the 1994 Stanley cup finals
Rewinder: Marc Andre fleury’s cup winning save
Beef history: the old firm. Rangers vs Celtic
Beef history: Isiah Thomas vs Michael Jordan
Beef history: George Steinbrenner vs Billy Martin
Collapse: how the Buffalo bills went from 4 straight Super Bowl appearances to nearly 2 decades of failure
Collapse: how Arsenal went from the Invincibles to 10th in the standings
Collapse: how sir Alex Ferguson built an empire at Manchester United that crumbled into his retirement
Collapse: how inter’s treble winning squad broke apart into nothing
Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of lord Stanley for 28 years
Collapse: how the 94 Montreal expos went from World Series favorites to having a strike ruin everything and leave the city in 10 years
finally some interesting ones. zlatan in the champions league, bills collapse OR untitled and especially the old firm woukd make INSANE videos
I second the Arsenal Invincibles.
Justice’s home run in the 6th was awesome… perfect guy to hit it too
Amazing moment for all Atlanta sports fans 💯
The team of the 90s finally has its championship!
Braves/TBS and Cubs/WGN cornered the bad baseball on cable market in the 80s.....
That free tickets story is hilarious.
1991 World Series deserved a Deep rewind years ago.
One of the great sports moments of my childhood. 2021 i was a bartender watching every game. The highlight of a year of death and hits in the face. I love this franchise. Go Bravos
How did you make this video without a breakdown of the strike zone in the WS?
To be a fly on the wall for three hours of conversation between Bill Murray, Newt Gingrich and Jane Fonda.
Fun fact: Fred McGriff batted .280 with 27 home runs in 1995 and is a Hall of Famer now
Pain. Nothing but pain.
Stop using BA as a measure of how good a hitter is. McGriff had a 121 WRC+ while Justice had a 120WRC+. They were more than “just serviceable” that’s 20 percent better than the league average hitter.
I don’t know if y’all are ever going to do another episode of collapse but if you do you have to do an episode on Leicester City
As a young Indians fan this was my introduction to sports heartbreak.
By my count: this is the 3rd Rewinder about Cleveland losing the World Series
Yep 1995, 1997, 2016 it's hard to be a cleveland fan
2 of them in game 7 of extra innings. Only team to do it. There’s only 2 teams who have lost 1.
This series is my first sports memory.
@Secret Base, when y'all gonna do another Collapse episode ?
Jim Thome untitled needs to happen
Justice loved Cleveland so much that he went there next in 97 lol.
1:32, Rick Vaughn 😁
As a 90's kid and life long braves fan this was one of my greatest memories as a kid and the first time my favorite team a championship i was only ten but watched them since 91 and crazy this championship was it
Funny how when the Braves were awful, every game was on tv. This season, we're just one and half seasons from our last title and are a juggernaut, and we get three games on tv a month lmao
This series reminds me of what happened to the Texas rangers in 2010 when they played the San Francisco Giants.
They had a very good hitting lineup, and it went ice-cold against San Francisco's pitching. In fact, the Texas rangers only one a single game behind a shut out from Colby Lewis. That's how bad their offense was that series
Murphy, Washington, Horner, Chambliss, Benedict, Ramirez, Neikro, Hubbard, "Wrong Way" Perez. Managed by Torre and called by Skip Carey. The 80s Braves may not have won much, but they are still my all time favorite team.
Braves fan here. This was before my time but those Braves teams should have had a fistful of rings. Seems like we should have won 91, 92, 93, 96 and the 2003 Braves had one of the greatest offenses of all time.
Damn - great roast in the video description lol
Ooof that ad though. I love y'all and I love this channel, don't get me wrong.
God it hurts to watch it all again. I am hardly old enough to remember it all. I am 30, the 95, 97, 00 Indians were formative memories for me. Still love them to death, and wish they had changed the name to the spiders
It's strange how the Braves get a lot more flack for not winning more world series in the 90's than Cleveland does for not winning any.
Little 12 year old me was there game 6 with my old man, who grew up in Cleveland. One of my favorite memories.
Watching this like I don’t know the outcome…great storytelling
Hawks and Falcons still gotta setup and do something.
That interlaced beer ad was pretty gross.
Goosebumps, Godfrey. Great episode.
The Braves didn’t have to theow strikes that series and the umps still punched everone out.
I think it’s crazy that the braves are hailed as the ‘team of the 90’s’ and they only won a single World Series, that’d be like NBA fans saying the Spurs are the team of the 2010’s
Chipper Jones and the Braves were hot stuff back then. I was a kid in (actually) small-town Texas, not even much of a baseball fan, and I still had a Braves cap that I wore fairly frequently. Also, in that same small town’s nearest Wal-Mart , I was able to get one of the championship “Repeat 3-Peat” shirts that the ‘98 Bulls wore after their title run. It’s crazy to think about how much more present elite sports teams and brands were in our collective consciousness in the pre-mainstream-Internet age when TV made our popular culture somewhat more homogeneous
Because they were. They won 8 division titles in 9 years from 1991-1999, only falling short in the strike-shortened 1994 season where they ended the season in position for the NL wild card (and would actually continue to win their division every year from 2000-05). But they weren't merely division winners. They had the best record in all of MLB in 1992, 1993, 1997, and 1999, and the best record in the NL and second-best in all of MLB in 1995, 1996, and 1998 (trailing Cleveland in the first two instances and the Yankees in 1998).
And the MLB season is quite different from the other major sports. The NFL regular season is only roughly 4 months long, and teams play only once a week. The NBA and NHL regular seasons are roughly 6 months long, but their postseasons last multiple months, and they still only play roughly every 2-3 days. A Major League Baseball season is 162 games long, while the postseason is relatively short. Even without that much postseason success, the Braves' consistency makes them the obvious choice for team of the nineties.
Ok, I have the perfect topic for a deep rewind - chess! The double bongcloud-then-draw after 4 moves game between Magnus Carlsen and Hikaru Nakamura deserves a deep rewind! The whole history of the bongcloud and how it came to be and how it was adopted by one of the world's best players. The fallout from the draw, inspiring new tournament rules to disallow obvious draws. And the internet chess boom in general.
Great job as always
Narrator was bending over backwards to not say the word “Indians” in this one lmfao
I can say my dad has told me story’s he was at that game and he said it’s was the Braves 2021 tittle ment to me the end of suffering I was never able to say my team had won a tittle in my life and now being an all Georgia sports fan does not suck as much I have Georgia winning national titles the hawks make the playoffs every year it feels likes and the falcons are improving and the Braves are the best team in baseball
Chris Kunitz 2ot goal vs ottawa deserves a rewind
Oof, I'll come back to this in a week or so. Can't do it yet.
Have mercy on Cleveland fans
Baerga flies to Center, Marquis Grisson with the catch. Braves win. Beautiful night to be a Braves fan. But I admit, Cleveland definitely deserved to win too. A part of me died inside when the Braves left TBS, because I live in a Nationals market.
A collapse video on the late 90s-00s Braves would be Pretty Good
So I'm a Guardians fan. Growing up however, I was a Braves fan first, Indians fan second. This was like the best series possible for me. I watched Justice homer in the first game I ever watched on TV and was a fan of his from the jump. Him winning the series was just the best for me.
But I felt bad for the Indians. I had met Bob Feller at a minor league game and since it was a bad minor league team, no one was paying attention to him at the autograph table. I stared at him for like a whole inning because I was enchanted that a hall of famer was sitting there. He noticed and called me over and asked me what position i played (I was in my little league uniform). I told him outfield or whatever I played and he asked if I ever wanted to pitch. I told him I didn't throw well. He spent about a half inning showing me how to hold the ball to throw a curve. He then gave me a signed picture of him and told me good luck. Couple that with the Major league movies, the Indians were a close second. Atlanta was technically my home team (I'm in South Carolina) and TBS always had their games on, so it was hard not to root for them. Over the 90s, I got more and more baseball obsessed. After the Braves finally won their title, I wanted it for the Indians. Then 1997, The Braves traded my guy to the Cleveland Indians, David Justice. I converted on the spot.
I've been a big Indians/Guardians fan ever since. After the pleasure of the 95 World Series, I had to feel the pain of the 2016 series. It looks like the Guards are going to end the Tito era without a title, which is a shame.
Thanks for the rewind on this moment. It was really well done and impacts me in a special way.
This was one of the best days of my life will never get old
Wow, the pandemonium in the dugout after the catch is insane 😂
Do the collapse of the Texas Rangers!! 1 strike away from a title to mediocre years.
As a Rangers fan, I reluctantly second this. 2011 holds a lot of mixed emotions for me; October 26, my daughter was born. October 27… Joe Buck would see us tomorrow night
@@nonamelegend_vapor2011 wasn’t all bad. Dirk beat down on Gorilla James 🦍
That Indians lineup was so stacked that Manny Ramirez was batting 7th in the order (he batted 6th in Game 6 because they had no DH in an NL stadium).
I've always thought that '95 Indians team was the best team to not win it all ever.
The ultimate unstoppable force meeting the immovable object series.
I'm a lifelong TV metro-Clevelander (suburbs) and I already had the pro championship I wanted. The 1994 Cleveland Crunch.
As the creator and host of the Nordonia Open, I was probably the loudest pro-Crunch media voice outside the radio station that carried Crunch games (1420 WHK) I was talking about them in 93, their first year in the NPSL after a few year revival MISL revival.
The Crunch was the Cleveland team of the 90s, and how did they get rewarded, 2 sudden death sessions away from 1st to out of business. That,'s worse that the Chicago Bull's First to Worst.
Man, the Braves pitching rotation was unfair levels of being stacked.
Im not sure you'll ever see a staring pitching rotation like that ever again. 3 HOFs pitching back to back to back? Im actually impressed Cleveland was able to take it to 6 games.
I am a Cubs fans, but as a HS kid in the 90's growing up in Vegas, i was a huge Maddux fan as well. So i was rooting for the Braves and was happy to see them win. I did feel bad for the Cleveland fans because of the many decades of losing for all of their sports team. Then in 97 they made it to the series again against the expansion team in Florida, i thought surely that Cleveland would win against a team that was only in its 4th season. Boy was i wrong haha.
The ad in the middle made me jump about a foot. Why was it so loud?!!
Anyone else make random links to other secret base videos when watching these:
Baerga-Bob Emergency
'91 Braves-Lonnie Smith
'92 World Series-Dave Stieb
On another note, as a Cubs fan, I empathize with Cleveland, but certainly feel no guilt for also extending their drought.
It’s always fun to watch these until it’s your team losing
I was really pulling for Cleveland against the stupid cubbies in 16, I think I was the only guy in the bar not happy for the chicago scrubs. Hang in there Cleve your day will come.
You know, the 1995 World Series doesn’t get as much appreciation as it deserves for bringing sports fans back to baseball. Remember, coming of the Strike of 94-95, a lot of fans were still mad at both the players and owners for all that had happened. But the fans were finally rewarded with a truly memorable Fall Classic. And our love for the National Pastime was rekindled again.
I was 12 when that happened and was so happy I thought for sure they'd at least win a couple. Damn Yankees.
Kansas vs Memphis 2008 National Championship. Mario's Miracle deserves a Deep Rewind.