Yokomo Super Dog Fighter (YZ 870c) 4WD RC Buggy Build Review. My thoughts now that I've built it! 👍
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- čas přidán 31. 12. 2023
- Happy New Year to all! Here are my thoughts on the Yokomo Super Dog Fighter now that I've built it. It's a fantastic kit and I'm very impressed. There's no denying it is on the expensive side, especially outside of Japan, but if you're a fan of vintage re-releases, then you should definitely consider picking one up.
Since I shot this video I've been able to get out for a shakedown run. All went well except for a minor issue with the rear wheels rubbing against the rod ends on the upper arms. After a few battery packs there were noticeable grooves appearing. Nothing major, and I've added a couple of shims between the upright and wheel hub so it shouldn't happen again.
Being belt driven, as you'd expect it is very quiet. And the 23T brushed motor on 2S was surprisingly quick. I think the simple drivetrain, light weight and overall design make it very efficient. It's easy to see why this buggy performed so well back in the day.
Should you go out and buy one? Well, you're asking the wrong person as I'm a self confessed vintage re-release RC addict.😅 But in all honesty, it's a wonderful, miniature marvel of engineering and the chance to own (albeit a replica) a piece of RC Racing history. So far reaction has been favorable, with the 870c sold out everywhere. The next available lot will appear in April (in Japan). Given the response I think it is likely we will see more re-releases from Yokomo in the future.
On a personal note, I've ended up spending most of my winter holiday indoors sat in front of a computer screen editing. I had planned to take a little CZcams break during the winter holidays, but then the Super Dog Fighter showed up and...
Well, what I'm trying to say is I hope you all don't mind if I take my time with the running video.
Thank you all for watching. 😊
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Unboxing video ⬇️
• Yokomo YZ-2 870c Super...
Original Manual from Yokomo ⬇️
teamyokomo.com/downloadfiles/... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Body color is PS-3. Under tray is PS-33. 👍
my dream car
In all Seriousness, I hope you and your love ones are ok today. Love Canada.
I'm based in Yamanashi, there was quite a bit of swaying, but fortunately nothing too serious. Thank you for your concern. 🙂
An updated manual is a must. I just finished building a Schumacher Cougar classic and my fingers are really sore. The rear wing is a damn nightmare!!!
interesting with your take on the manual. I felt the same with the RC10CC. Although from the outside it looks like the same manual once you open it up its completely different. The new, is all pics whereas the original is paragraphs of literature with details explaining how to build it. You did a great job showcasing the build and highlighting the quality of the parts. When I do get mine and start to build, I'm going to have to watch your video again for reminders. And I'll download a copy of the OG manual too. Thanks again and great video.
Yeah, once I started really looking through the original manual I couldn't help but feel they missed an opportunity with the manual. Having a vintage style manual to go with a vintage style buggy would have been perfect. And it would have been a great deal of help during the build process. They kept the box original, they should have kept the manual original too. 👍
They could do even better and include the original manual, publish a streamlined modern one if they felt like it, but most importantly include all the setup and mods over time from the experience of drivers winning and losing
@@KaiCityRC The online manual now has a basic setting for the slipper clutch included...
teamyokomo.com/downloadfiles/!02!MANUAL/!04!OFF-ROAD_KIT/YZ-870C_Instruction_Manual.pdf
Thank you for this! 👍 They have indeed added some info on setting up the slipper! I measured mine and I'd got it set to 4.6mm, so right in the ball park.
I was hoping they'd also include a spare parts list and the back of the manual, but alas, still nothing...
Thank you for that build review 😊 All the best from Switzerland 😇
Thank you! 😊
Yes this does bring back the nostalgia feels. You did a fantastic job on this Yoke. Thanks for sharing your process as it’s gonna help me and others. 🙏
Thanks for watching! 😊
It is a really cool buggy. Your turned out looking great! Thanks for going through the build and sharing your thoughts on it! Happy New Year and wishing you all the best in 2024!
Thank you and a Happy New Year to you swell! 👍
Great car, cheers for the video. All the best for the New Year!
Thank you!
Super simple car, optimal design, so yeah it may very well be a great racer.
I was able to do a shakedown run yesterday and it drives really well and you can tell with the right driver, this thing would fly around the track. Very smooth and quick to turn. Wrenching on the 870c looks to be a real breeze as everything is simple and easy to get to.
That said, this buggy more than any other feels like it is best used on hard dirt/clay tracks. The belt/diffs are completely exposed and although the under tray helps, small rocks, gravel, twigs etc still do make their way inside and could jam between the belt and pulleys. Loose dirt, fine gravel and sand are probably not a good idea for sustained running!
@@KaiCityRC Yes, it is too exposed so I'd be careful driving it where there's any loose stuff on the ground. I didn't catch what steering servo you used for it, some Savox type?
Savox. I usually go with Futaba, but recently they're out of stock everywhere!
Great looking buggy.
Thanks!
Another great video, David. The buggy looks absolutely fantastic! Happy New Year!
Thank you! And Happy New Year to you too! 👍😊
Looking really good 👌🏻 happy new year
Thank you! And a Happy New Year to you, too! 😊
Looks fantastic David!👌Looking forward to see how it performs.🙂👍
Thanks 👍
Great video David! 👍🏻🏁
Thank you!
Nice buggy David, i just pre ordered mine. Can't wait to build and running this 80's rare exotic icon.
Thanks! It's amazing that they we get chance to own now something we could only dream about as a kid. 🙂
This looks amazing David
Thanks! ☺️
Thanks for the update David, I'll have to wait a while for mine as I picked up the RC10CC! (I hope the earthquake has not impacted you or family.)
The RC10CC is great, and I was tempted. But After recently picking up the 1987 Worlds Mid, a TT-02 SRX and now this, my RC budget has well and truly been blown for a while...
Where I live it that shaking wasn't too bad, thankfully.
Thank you for asking. 🙂
Very nice build, Yokomos are awesome! ✌🏼😎👍🏼 Happy 2024!
Thanks!
I miss the shape of these bodies
Good job ,great presentation
happy new year !
Thank you! 😊 I really like the styling of the 870c. I always thought the windows reminded me somewhat of Stingray from the TV show. 😁
Wonderfull video , thanks. Congrats on nearly 3000 subs.
Thank you! I never thought I'd be approaching a three thousand subs!
Nice looking buggy, it’s going to be a big seller
Definitely! It sold out almost immediately here. The next batch won't arrive until April. Yokomo have got a winner on their hands - well, technically it's been a winner since the late 80's. 😁
Given the response, I think it's a safe bet we can expect more re-releases from Yokomo in the future.
@@KaiCityRC
A Works 93 would be luuurvly👍
That looks amazing! I love that colour choice David. Simple is always best if you ask me and really shows off the style of the thing. It feel like everyone else has just been hanging around like zombies over this kit, Just wandering around with the box with drool dripping from their lips while you have purchased and built it like a COBRA! 😃 First proper review of it I have seen. I am really very tempted now. I am still only half way through the BBX build so if you have any ideas how to break this news to my wife then let me know 😄
Thanks! I tend to gravitate towards simpler designs, which is good because I'm not that great at painting bodies. 😅
I got lucky this time. I managed to get a pre-order in. The model shop I used shipped it out the day it went on sale and I was off work, so I could jump right into building it. I've been told my unboxing was the first on the net, which is kinda cool. 😁
But also a little unnerving as it feels like the whole RC community is suddenly looking in my direction! 😬
As for ideas, well, this is the first and could, possibly be the only ever re-release from Yokomo of a world championship winning machine...and it would be a real shame to miss this opportunity...and it will be worth tons on money in the future...and I've always wanted one...and...I'm out of ideas! 😁 😂
@@KaiCityRC Your review was really thoughtful and considered with lots of nice tips included to help avoid mistakes.🙂Really looking forward to seeing the running video and how it performs. I guess you are going to do that.
Good stuff, you seem to have built that fast.
There isn't a whole lot to it! Very few parts, shims, spacers etc. The hardest part was the body! 👍
This came out great! I think those colors go very nicley with each other to! Hope to see a running video soon 😉 I'm certainly loving the vintage scene of Tamiya, kyosho and Team Associated RC10s. But personally I dont feel a connection to this car as much as others in a "must have" mentality. And being priced where it is currently in the US doesn’t make it easier to get one. But with that said, I can certainly appreciate the vintage RC history around this brand and kit. Maybe one day I'll get one myself. Always enjoy your videos and cant wait to see this one running !
Thanks for the kind words. The 870c is something I knew little about back in the day, but over here it is a re-release many people have been waiting for. So I started reading up on it, and well, it's easy to see why!
Holy hell! I just spent 30 min trying to remember where I heard that opening clip. Schoolyard heroes is a deep cut dude...
The music on the intro is "Power Shot" by Alex Grohl. I guess it sounds similar, though in all honesty I'm not too familiar with the band! 😅
Hope you weren’t affected by the quakes David! Great job I’d say you sold more yz10 kits for yokomo by making this video 😃
Thank you for asking. I'm quite far from the epicenter. We had some mild shaking, but nothing serious.
Cant wait to get my 870, shouldnt be long now, but wish they had kept the ball diffs and made it as the original. But its going to look great blasting around the track 👌
Me and ball diffs do not get along, so I'm kinda glad they replaced them with gear diffs! 😅 But you're right, it would have been nice if the kit included them like the original. Perhaps we'll see some option parts appear this year.
@@KaiCityRC i hope we do, i race on grass mostly, ball diffs are more suited for that. But its not the end of the world. I think we will see some upgrades, but not just from yokomo, i can see a few people looking at making upgrades 😁
I am happy I watched this video, what a cool buggy after all! Of course I know by now your videos will offer a really good presentation of the RC car, but this one really surprised me. I pay a lot of attention to RC on the social media these days, so of course I saw the hype for this buggy, but I didn't see what the fuss was about... It's still not a buggy I'd get for myself, but I gotta admit it's really nice, even with all its flaws and obsoleted design. It's sooo cool!
I'll definitely be looking out for your next videos with this one, especially the run video.
And the colour is really nice, very oldschool, retro cool!
And by the way, I don't remember where in Japan you are located, but I hope all is well where you are, I've been watching clips from the earthquake on West Coast, looks pretty nasty.
There has certainly been a lot of hype, especially in Japan, for the release of the Super Dog Fighter. I think it's probably due to its history and the fact it is Yokomo's first real "re-release" of a buggy from that era. Many of the people I've talked to here had, wanted, or knew someone who had a Super Dog Fighter back in the day, so there is a lot of nostalgia about the release too.
I wasn't too sure if the color scheme would work. I seriously considered going all neon colors, yellow, green and pink for a real neon 80's vibe. Then thought about a black and pink design, before finally deciding to go with my usual preference of blue! 😁
I shot some footage during a brief shakedown run and will try and get a running video done soon. 👍
Oh, and thank you for asking. I'm in Yamanashi, not too far from Tokyo and quite a bit south of the affected area. We had some mild shaking, but nothing serious, thankfully!
"Super Dog Fighter" has to be one of the greatest names ever for an RC!
Looks like a very raw cast finish on the bulkheads, unusual when your used to seeing smooth anodised aluminium on kits.
I like it, suits the old school buggy perfectly.
Is there any chance you could include the weight? Possibly in comparison to the legendary releases from Kyosho?
Excellent review and thanks for sharing :)
Sure, I just checked. Dogfighter weight with electrics but no battery is 1,355 g and would you believe it, the Optima Mid is exactly the same! 😲
870c HW 1060, 27T brushed, savor servo, Futaba receiver.
Mid Kyosho Le Mans brushless ESC and Motor, Futaba servo and receiver.
Wow, wouldn't have guessed that. Thank you.
Very interested to see this run and how it compares.
Have fun :)
It makes sense from a business and sales standpoint why they went this approach and build setup but I understand what you mean.. Though sadly it’s the price that will turn a lot of people away I think. Still nonetheless an awesome looking buggy. Definitely 80’s feel in my book, nice job 👍
Glad you and the RC’s are safe as well 😅 😬👍
Thanks. I agree the price is what will be the limiting factor for the success of this re-release. Hopefully it will come down in time.
Great video and again thanks for the in-depth review. I'm rewatching your video as it is really helpful. As matter of fact, I'm in the process of building mine now. I'm up to the part with the read uprights or "steering blocks". I"m a little confused and maybe you can add some clarity... from what I gather the same metal left steering block (labeled L) that is used on the front left side is also used on the rear left side (labeled L) but just rotated 90 degrees to stand up. Is this correct?
That is correct! At the rear, the upright marked R goes on the left, and the one marked L goes on the right.
@@KaiCityRC thanks for getting back to me. that was a little confusing. I thought thats what the manual said but I just wanted to make sure...Thanks
Team associated make one of thy famous model in the 80' but is more tho admire not for race is a litle fragile😕.and have the problems it dpare parts
Would love to know what colours you used please as looks great & mine has turned up today. Thanks for the vid.
PS-3 and PS-33. 👍
Ha just realised you did say the colours in the vid so thanks for the reply 👍🏻
Great video David. I only run NIMH stick packs. This kit is lipo shorty only I believe. Could it accept a NIMH ?
Realistically, no. There isn't enough space for a regular 7.2v nimh pack.
明けましておめでとうございます。
完成ですね。とても懐かしい外観です。
シェイクダウンはどちらですか？
やっぱりダートが似合うかな。
明日、カルノーサに行きますよ、スーパードッグも予約してあるので明日カルノーサで買います。
一緒に2台で走れたら良いですね！
あけましておめでとうございます。コメントありがとうございました。今日公園でちょっとだけシェイクダウンしましたよ！
カルノーサへは明日行く予定です。また明日よろしくお願いします！
Great video! Happy rcing for 2024 - do you think youll get the optima mid 60th anniversary?
I already have! 😁 That and the JJ Ultima. 👍
@KaiCityRC awesome! The optima mid is very expensive isn't it?
Aye! It's a lot more than the standard Mid, but you do get a whole host of option parts included with the kit. (though I would have preferred gear diffs, rather than ball diffs).
To be honest, I'm more than happy with my standard Optima Mid and for a time I had completed the Legendary Series collection (off road).
But Kyosho keep on releasing more...so I have to buy more...😅 It's become an addiction.
Will it ever end?! 😁
@@KaiCityRC haha who knows! Have they been hard to get in Japan?
@@leeroyjenkins7141 The 60th anniversary specials? Not really. Most of the main online retailers sold out soon, but some local hobby shops still have stock. I think price put some people off. That and maybe the fact the Mid and 870c releases were so close together.
I want this very much but I have to draw the line 😢 I can not afford this model.
Yeah, the 870c is on the expensive side...and it was a real stretch to justify the purchase so soon after I got the '87 Worlds Mid.
RC can be a very expensive hobby.
Lots of changes from the original...
The problem is the Spare parts like kyoscho and tamiya 😕they sale This model and make Spare parts for One ear and they stop tho make the Spare parts .and i live on europe This is a problem😕
It's too early to comment on spare parts from Yokomo for the 870c. A little worryingly, in the back of the manual where the spare parts and options list would normally be there is nothing...🤔
Tamiya tend to run off parts in batches, sometimes once or twice a year for many of their re-released buggies. Though some more than others. Parts for the Avante, Egress and VQS are always hard to come by, but show up now and again. Parts for Grasshoppers, lunchboxes etc are always reappearing and usually in stock.
Kyosho, to date, produce a new batch of kits around once a year and soon after parts will start appearing. I tend to grab as many spares as possible while they're in stock. That said, the Javelin and Optima have gone over a year now and now new batch. Finding certain parts for the Javelin/Optima proved very tough! Although I'm in Japan I ended up ordering them from the UK as it was the only place that had them in stock!
Yes is the big problem they make This buggys they sale a lot .of This buggys and they forget the Spares .😡
Is beacuse this problem thah i bye traxxas RC like the udr .but is arrange you live on Japan and have problems it the Spare parts??
Hi David. I have a question for you about Kyosho's and I posted it in your video "KYOSHO LEGENDS COMPLETE GUIDE". I hope you can answer my question.
Have replied. 👍
I subscribed to your channel but was wondering where you're located (in which country) because you have a tinge of an English or maybe Australian accent but it's not very distinct. You could almost pass a Dane or Norwegian who's lived in England. I appreciate your in-depth discussion. Yokomo has a track record of winning world championships starting with the 834B. BTW here is one of my designs, it's a super narrow 2WD diff which has yet to be prototyped outside of the computer software. czcams.com/users/shortshC0f788EFZU Cheers and Happy New Year.
Ah, British guy living in Japan. I've been to Tokyo myself. Thanks.
How much is it going for in US dollars.
Somewhere around $450 I believe, so on the expensive side.
Im not so sure about the aluminium being superb. This looks very much like cast aluminium, and not high grade 6061/7075 machined alloy.
I looks like cast aluminium because it is. Superbly cast aluminium.
@@GT500NSX calling cast aluminium superb? Lmao 🤣
I don't have an original 870c to compare, but I believe that used cast aluminum also.
@@AsurasWrath164 l make cnc machined 6061 and 7075 parts for a living so do share the love, but it doesn't mean I can't appreciate quality casting when I see it.
@@GT500NSX that's not the point. Small cast parts will never provide the stiffness and durability a machined part made of quality alloy provides.
As a retired guy who doesn't race anymore I'm ready to pull the trigger on one of these to use on my backyard track and practice sessions at my local large outdoor track. I had the original chain drive RPS Dogfighter back in the day. The only car I ever won an A-main with. That said it looks to me that this would be much easier to build (and live with) than the Kyosho Optima 60th anniversary. I'd love to hear opinions from any of you that have experience with both. Thanks
The 870C is a far simpler car to buy and maintain. Everything is easily accessed, even pulling the diffs out won't take more than a few minutes. The Mid chassis feels sturdier and without an aftermarket top deck, the 870C chassis has some flex. The Mid also has greater scope to tune the suspension and is easier to source wheels/option parts for. The 60th anniversary model also has a few upgrades over the normal Mid.
Between the two it's a tough decision, but as a self confessed Kyosho "fanboy" I'd have to choose the Mid. 😁 At this year's GFCC event, I suspect the 870C's will be taking on the Mid that dominated last years competition.
Optima Mid is not at all hard to live with tf are you talking about? Sheesh
@@doofwop it was a question a-hole, not a statement. Learn the difference between the two before you answer next time