Trailer Upgrade - ATEM 2 M/E Advanced Panel from Blackmagic Design
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2023
- The latest upgrade to my trailer is the Blackmagic Design ATEM 2 M/E Advanced Panel. Here's a brief walk-through as well as a discussion as to why I added this, specifically now.
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Kick-butt 20button Advanced Panel. OMG!! Man that is going to make the production trailer a juggernaut for the location gigs.
Doug this tutorial is Wonderful!! Never Better Said than this. I needed this video because I have had this device for 2 years and needed this thorough overview to maximize my control of the Constellation taking advantage of macros. Please continue to do what you do!
Woohoo! I'm loving the new videos popping up Doug! Enjoying them! Excited to see the new panel!
Tanks, Paul!
Yes yes yes!!!!!! been waiting for this!!!!!
Nice Doug
Thank you for your video! I need this panel to control my dream studio of 4 to 8 ursa cine 12k cameras to produce and record my Gospel music videos!
Wow 🤩
brand new toy ! 😎
Jealous!!!! Beautiful! However also extremely happy with my 1 m/e advanced panel
I tried to make the 1 M/E panel work. It was just too frustrating. I very often have more than 10 sources, and utilize the 2nd M/E quite often. Using the X-Keys panel has always been easier than being confined to the limits of the BMD 1 M/E panel.
@@djp_video understand. I typically have 7-8 or 9 inputs and I put the key signals around 15-20. So for me it hasn’t been an issue. I do however don’t own a trailer and for now rent a van so mobility is also important to me
Hello Doug, nice piece you added to your setup. Have you compared the mega panel from Skaarhoj to the BMD controller? Would be interesting to hear your thoughts about pros and cons between that two solutions.
Building a Skaarhoj Mega Panel with similar functionality would be about four times the cost of this panel. While the Skaarhoj setup would give a lot more flexibility, its price just makes it infeasible.
I use datavideo HD1300
After watching this video
I think aten is a good invested😎
Hello Doug, fantastic video..I have 2 questions, how to do custom transition using matte and fill and how to macro it.
Thank you.
I have a video about it: czcams.com/video/rLrmRnjWjTY/video.html
Love your channel Doug! Can you link m/e1 and m/e2 so that anytime you make a camera live on m/e1 it goes live on m/e2 as well?
The only way on the switcher itself is to create macros that will change both sources simultaneously.
Using BitFocus Companion you could setup triggers that would sort-of do this for you, but it's not going to be 100% the same as running both of them simultaneously. For example, triggers have a really hard time of determining when an auto transition is used vs. a cut. And action performed by a trigger are always at least a frame behind.
Another great video! Quick question, what functionality do you require from Macro’s that Companion doesn’t offer? Companion is pretty powerful.
The ability to implement control logic (if this [condition], do [this other thing]), loops, query devices for state and act on that, perform complex math, pull data from the Internet, just to name a few.
@@djp_videoDoug, pretty nice macro programming ability on that thing. Snell’s Kahuna had some of that capability, from what I read, but Grass hasn’t implemented it on the Kayenne.
Time to move to Central Control and use its super source layouts which should work with V9 :)
That gets me part way there. There's still a lot of functionality I'm going to miss out on.
In the video on the smaller panel audio section was blank, can you maybe do an update what kind of options you get there? Also I guess it has to be connected to the constellation as it advertises a lot of audio possibilities compared to 2me production studio
The Audio button doesn't do anything on this one either. At least not with any of the Blackmagic switchers I own, anyway.
You mentioned your comms setup. I’m looking at upgrading our telex system to add wireless options. What do you use currently?
My own solution. czcams.com/video/xUfZnZf6pYI/video.html
Thank you for informative videos! Do you know if the ATEM Constellation 2 M/E can be controlled using the 1 M/E Advanced Panel?
Yes. They work together just fine.
This is a sweet upgrade for real.... I mean you can still keep your x keys around since you are on ver 8.x... If it aint broke don't fix it after all.. If version 8 is stable enough for the trailer unless you upgrade to the new mixers I don't think its worth upgrading the software for the time being.
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I intend to. But if BMD releases 4K versions of the Constellation 2 M/E I will be buying it, which will force me into 9.x.
Doug, I'd love to see you do a video comparing something like this to vMix. Or contrasting the two. If someone was considering switching (pun intended) from vMix to a physical panel what would be the benefits, and what would be some of the challenges? Thanks as always for the great videos.
That's something I've wanted to do, but I don't know that I'm qualified to do it justice. I use vMix for instant replay, but my knowledge of and experience with the product other than that is fairly limited.
I've talked about the differences between hardware and software switchers a number of times, but I've never put it in a video of its own. I should probably do that at some point.
Did you consider to use central control for your macros with your Xkeys?
That would get me part way there, but I'd still be missing out on a lot of the current functionality that I have now.
Hello, pls. when are you going to give a tutorial on ATEM 4 M/E ? my company just purchased it and i need to know how it works, thank you for all that you do
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Hi Doug, are you able to control the hyperdecks on your 2m/e panel in the same way that you can via the software bm switcher app? I have been unable to find a way to select the clip I want to play from the panel and it seems like I can only select the hyperdeck clip in the software. Am I missing it on the hardware panel? Thanks in advance.
Press the Media Players button, navigate to select HyperDeck, and clip selection will be on I believe the second or third page. Doing that from memory, though, so I might be a little off. But the option is there.
Hi, is there any way we can save lights/button mapping? or load them whenever we turn on the panel?
Those get stored in User Profiles. I believe that menu is either on the Home or Settings page?
Helle, I plan on getting one for my church, but how does it work? Would you need an additional device to connect your cameras or inputs because I only see one ethernet cable behind the mixer?
This is just a control panel. Video switching is handled by a Blackmagic Design ATEM switcher. Any current or recent model will work.
Does something like CentralControl have the more advanced programming logic you require? I have contemplated using this in conjunction with a cheaper surface with a T-bar.
No. Central Control is like the others -- a list of steps to execute without the ability to add control logic or be able to query devices for configuration and status information.
Ah damb! There goes that theory 😂
Hi Doug. Is is possible to load different user profiles from the Advanced Panel via StreamDeck/Makro? Looking for a solution to quickly change especially Multiview-Config and such (or can the multiview-config be changed via StreamDeck/Makro directly?). Highly appreciate your videos!
Not currently.
@@djp_video Alright, thanks. But the Multiview settings are stored with the user profiles in the Advanced Panel?
No. They're stored in the ATEM config files. The Advanced Panels don't have any control over that.
@@djp_video I see. But the ATEM config files can be recalled via Macros, right?
I don't know any way to do that.
Can't you use Streamdeck for macro buttons?
For where macros can work, yes. But the stuff I'm doing requires functionality not available in macros.
ATEM should make it so you can connect a regular USB numpad or a USB QWERTY keyboard for the macro or custom key inputs that you used too use 'Just Macros' for
The more buttons to control things the better. But I didn't use JustMacros because it gave me so many buttons -- it was about the programming language and the power that brings.
The only reason I've continued to use JustMacros is because it lets me write my own code to control the ATEMs... so I'm not just limited to the (limited) capability of macros, comprised of just a list of steps that are always repeated exactly the same every time. With JustMacros I can ask the ATEM for state information ("Which video input is currently live?" or "Where is SuperSource box #1 on screen?" or "Is Downstream Key #1 currently on screen?" or "Are you currently in the middle of a transition?") and then alter behavior based on that information. Or perform calculations based on available information, or have precise control of timing of operations against or within the switcher. Or, even better, control many different devices simultaneously from one place -- moving a supersource window around in a very specific way using trigonometric functions to calculat position while slowly adjusting the level of a channel on my audio mixer and double-checking that my stream is live, for example.
There isn't another product out there that gives that level of control -- not even close. And the ATEM wouldn't ever be able to do that because it is just completely unaware of things going on outside of itself (except for some limited access to HyperDecks and Camera Control data).
BitFocus Companion lets you control multiple devices, and does have access to state data, but does not offer any way to alter behavior based on state data. My SuperSource animation macros would be simply impossible in Companion. And Companion has this nasty habit of sometimes crashing, even occasionally taking down pieces of equipment with it.
Central Control, while in some ways more powerful than Companion, is still just a 'here is a list of steps to execute, in this order, exactly as written' solution as well.
Ultimately being able to write my own high-level code to manipulate the behavior of the device with conditional logic is the only reason I've tolerated JustMacros all of these years -- something nothing else has offered. It was never about allowing me to use the X-Keys panels.
@@djp_video Thankyou so much for your explanation, and thankyou for your great channel and interesting videos
This has no SDI inputs-outputs. How do we send the in/out signals? Just with 1 ethernet? And if so.. where does that cable go? Does it have to go to a videohub? Like the 40X40G? Thanks
It’s a control panel for any ATEM switcher. It has no video circuitry of its own.
@@djp_video Thank you for the lightning fast reply. OK.. but.. sorry maybe I am missing something. Since you are pressing buttons to "switch" between cameras; doesn't that make it a switcher? I'd LOVE to see a technical video - connection explanation for all the blackmagic ecosystem (and not only). I am subscribing!
This unit is a control panel. Essentially just a bunch of buttons that send commands over Ethernet. It has to be connected to a Blackmagic Design ATEM switcher (whichever particular model of your choice, based on your needs), which does all of the actual switching.
Can it be PoE powered?
This model cannot.
Doug, which actual ATEM Switcher are you using with your Control Panel..?
Would the ATEM 4 M/E Constellation 4K be a good match for the Control Panel you have now..?
I have: ATEM 2 M/E Production Studio 4K, ATEM 2 M/E Constellation HD, ATEM 1 M/E Constellation 4K, ATEM SDI Extreme ISO, ATEM Mini Extreme. The panel works with all of them, though some features are only available with certain models, particularly the 2nd M/E control section, which only works with the 2 M/E switchers I own.
But selecting a control panel has more to do with how you use your switcher than which model you have. If you have the 4 M/E but never use the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th M/E, then a 2 M/E or 4 M/E panel would be a waste for you. If you regularly use more than 10 inputs, then the 1 M/E Advanced Panel 10 wouldn't offer enough buttons for you.
So it comes down to, what are you shooting, and how do you use you switcher, and then selecting the appropriat panel based on that. The 2 M/E panel will work great with a 4 M/E switcher, but if you regularly use more than 20 inputs or more than 2 of your M/Es, you might consider stepping up to the 4 M/E panel.