Well don't use symetric Spinnaker while beam reach. The wind should come from behind more or less. Strong Cross wind means that the boat will soon broach (go itself to the wind) or to bear off (go itself downwind). Best thing to avoid that : Flatten the Spinnaker when the boat starts to heel, center the spinnaker or move it behind the mainsail. The goal is to give the main sail its power back and avoid the spinnaker to take the control of the boat.
2 mistakes. The guy and sheet were too loose. Also sheet should have been barbere in. When the boat rolls to windward open vang immediately and prepare for the gybe. Actually not much wind in this situation
I'm a bit new to sailing, but shouldn't they have not even bothered to have the spinnaker out if the wind was bad enough to permit a reefed main? Also the whole time he was riding the spinnaker, the wind seemed to be more beamy on the angle he was riding the tack, a bit risky no?
It depends on the boat and the crew. I sail on a boat with a symmetric kite but we are a very experienced crew. We have run spinnakers in winds gusting to 40kts without losing the boat (though I wouldn't recommend it). We happily run kites with a reef in. Mostly offshore when a lot of your speed is coming from waves and so the reef helps you keep in control. But we also do it inshore on short legs. If the wind is about about 20kts, a full main slows us down upwind as there is too much drag and you can only really go so fast anyway. so if there is a short downwind on the next leg, it's better to just keep the reef in as having the crew out of position to shake a reef and then put it back at the end slows us down more than just keeping it in.
I am asking, not telling. I am pretty new at sym spinaker trimming. When this happens on my boat my thoughts are to steer up wind a little when boat has any signs of a roll, pole forward and big trim the spin sheet to depower it a little to stop the rolling. Once boat flattens out trim again for the correct point of sail. If any twist in the main come hard on the vang to flatten the leach to power up the main which should also help depower the spinaker.
In addition if you fly/trim the kite from the guy rope or setting it reduces the rolling. AND getting the weight back so the rudder stays in the water and getting people sitting down both help.
Frankly the helmsman didn't even HAVE to "steer" upwind; my guess is the swell was hitting the stern on the port quarter, which would send the boat upwind on its own. All he'd have had to do was correct the helm to starboard and ease the helm back to dead center once the swell got forward of the beam. I'm no master helmsman but that's one thing I learned pretty quickly years ago sailing a Columbia 50 on a broad reach. If the sheet isn't trimmed too far forward one should never have to correct the helm upwind.
Looks like quite a broad reach. Reefed main is often a "left over" from a previous upwind leg. Seems like all crew was prepared for something like this to happen, but maybe not experienced enough to see it coming in time and prevent it. No injuries, no damage, just some lost time. No big deal with 8 crew to clean up the mess.
Not if you know what you’re doing and in fact, a refereed main will give you better control of the spin if you have a helmsman who knows enough to BEAR OFF in a gust rather that head up as this asshole did. That’s why he lost it. For some inexplicable reason he headed up as the spin oscillate to port. He lost steerage and the rest was history. Manure occurrs
@@scomo532 eeeh… no. You don’t Chinese because you head up (as in the case with a normal broach when there is too much power that causes the rudder to loose grip) it’s a result of running to flat down and in this case with the kite pole quite openly exposed to windward. Just before the incident they brought the pole to windward and the helm probably didn’t realize that they were running pretty much 180. A little help from a wave and you Chinese jibe. To avoid it you must rather head up a little and put the pole forward to the headstay if you want to play it safe (trade off speed though). It’s an easy mistake to do. I couldn’t tell if the helm is an asshole or not, I don’t know him…
Watch ya heads ! Then the guy in companionway stays stood up ! It Nearly took his head off !
Hammered into me ,never go before the wind without your washboards in, I think the captain pilot was at the sharp end, that's where he barked from
Yup. Everyone's an expert...
I prefer people making error while doing things than people doing nothing.
+segocarib couldn't agree more!
Well don't use symetric Spinnaker while beam reach. The wind should come from behind more or less. Strong Cross wind means that the boat will soon broach (go itself to the wind) or to bear off (go itself downwind). Best thing to avoid that : Flatten the Spinnaker when the boat starts to heel, center the spinnaker or move it behind the mainsail. The goal is to give the main sail its power back and avoid the spinnaker to take the control of the boat.
you can 100% reach with a sym spin
100% u can reach with a sym spinnaker just make sure u don’t have it pulled round to win ward
The spinnaker wasn't secure enough and the vang wasn't tight enough.
2 mistakes. The guy and sheet were too loose. Also sheet should have been barbere in. When the boat rolls to windward open vang immediately and prepare for the gybe. Actually not much wind in this situation
I'm a bit new to sailing, but shouldn't they have not even bothered to have the spinnaker out if the wind was bad enough to permit a reefed main? Also the whole time he was riding the spinnaker, the wind seemed to be more beamy on the angle he was riding the tack, a bit risky no?
It depends on the boat and the crew. I sail on a boat with a symmetric kite but we are a very experienced crew. We have run spinnakers in winds gusting to 40kts without losing the boat (though I wouldn't recommend it). We happily run kites with a reef in. Mostly offshore when a lot of your speed is coming from waves and so the reef helps you keep in control. But we also do it inshore on short legs. If the wind is about about 20kts, a full main slows us down upwind as there is too much drag and you can only really go so fast anyway. so if there is a short downwind on the next leg, it's better to just keep the reef in as having the crew out of position to shake a reef and then put it back at the end slows us down more than just keeping it in.
Who teach you how to setting the sails??
I am asking, not telling. I am pretty new at sym spinaker trimming. When this happens on my boat my thoughts are to steer up wind a little when boat has any signs of a roll, pole forward and big trim the spin sheet to depower it a little to stop the rolling. Once boat flattens out trim again for the correct point of sail. If any twist in the main come hard on the vang to flatten the leach to power up the main which should also help depower the spinaker.
Greg Roberts PRECISELY...great to see, even new commers get it. Why don't seasoned helmsmans get it?
In addition if you fly/trim the kite from the guy rope or setting it reduces the rolling. AND getting the weight back so the rudder stays in the water and getting people sitting down both help.
Frankly the helmsman didn't even HAVE to "steer" upwind; my guess is the swell was hitting the stern on the port quarter, which would send the boat upwind on its own. All he'd have had to do was correct the helm to starboard and ease the helm back to dead center once the swell got forward of the beam. I'm no master helmsman but that's one thing I learned pretty quickly years ago sailing a Columbia 50 on a broad reach. If the sheet isn't trimmed too far forward one should never have to correct the helm upwind.
sym?
@@briane173 if you look closely he is trying to move up wind, but was already unsteerable
I'm no expert... but flying a spinnaker on a reach with a reefed main seems like a terrible idea under any circumstances.
Looks like quite a broad reach. Reefed main is often a "left over" from a previous upwind leg. Seems like all crew was prepared for something like this to happen, but maybe not experienced enough to see it coming in time and prevent it. No injuries, no damage, just some lost time. No big deal with 8 crew to clean up the mess.
Burial if the main is reefed and the kit is flying. There is a good chance of loosing the top of the mast. Dick heads
@@stevesugg2532 what do you expect them to do? They're racing, and competitively, which means of course they are on the edge.
Not if you know what you’re doing and in fact, a refereed main will give you better control of the spin if you have a helmsman who knows enough to BEAR OFF in a gust rather that head up as this asshole did. That’s why he lost it. For some inexplicable reason he headed up as the spin oscillate to port. He lost steerage and the rest was history. Manure occurrs
@@scomo532 eeeh… no. You don’t Chinese because you head up (as in the case with a normal broach when there is too much power that causes the rudder to loose grip) it’s a result of running to flat down and in this case with the kite pole quite openly exposed to windward. Just before the incident they brought the pole to windward and the helm probably didn’t realize that they were running pretty much 180. A little help from a wave and you Chinese jibe. To avoid it you must rather head up a little and put the pole forward to the headstay if you want to play it safe (trade off speed though). It’s an easy mistake to do. I couldn’t tell if the helm is an asshole or not, I don’t know him…
Not aggresive enought at the helm imo
more correction is needed and crew needs to move weight to stop the rolling
Amateurs shouldn't use Spi. Especially not over 4 Beaufort. There was leathal danger for the crew.
LOL
Down wind. Knock the refs out ffs. Or don't set the big baggy sail at the front
Matt Bouttell sorry. Didn't no your wonderful sailor. Go play with your boat in the bath.
Matt Bouttell very grown up. Non sailors need not comment.
I think they had the small baggy sail up :)
this video is 4 mins too long
why did that happen?
Jeremy Goode read above for all the 'pro' analysis!
@@gcm747 You mean the part that says, "gybe?"
I'd like to answer that for you, but it would help to know how much familiarity you have with sailing.
Boring and offensive all at the same time.