Benchtop Moxon Vise Build | You have not seen one like this!
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2022
- Rob Cosman builds a benchtop moxon vise
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I absolutely love the verb cosmanized! I know you say it a lot like for the handle of tools, but still makes me all giddy when I hear it.
I would consider adding some dowels that stick down into your dog holes for a bit more stability.
That could work
Great idea!!!!!
Aa always...a great tutorial. Thanks for posting.
Thank you Rob ... I have been waiting for this video ever since you added the moxon vice to your Saw Stop!!! I really wanted your take on adding the vise to the Cosman bench (my bench) before I did it. You guys are the best!!!
Thanks for waiting and wTching
Excellent idea of the springs. Your videos are always very interesting. Greetings from Italy🇮🇪
Thanks! This an easy and informative project.
A quick and easy build
This is a great mini-Moxon solution~! I'll be ordering my kit ASAP. Thanks for this build~!
You bet
I always learn from your videos. Thank you. 👏👍
Thanks for watching and commenting
This is brilliant... Going with this plan asap....thanks Rob!
Glad you liked it
Super! Love pine for the clamping faces-softer than most woods so it isn’t likely to mar the surface of your work.
Great idea Rob!!!
Thanks for commenting
Nicely done. Straight forward build of a functional addition to the bench. I like your style of teaching.
And man, do you love that 5 1/2!
The 5-1/2 is the absolute best plane
Stoked this video came out finally, bought the kit when you released it. Need the higher vise for dovetails, backs no good. Thanks Rob and family.
Its perfect for dovetails
Thanks for sharing those tips and the make!
You bet. Thanks for watching
Definitely adding one to my bench, thanks Rob!
Its a great add on
I bought a 'standard' moon vise in Germany (I live in the Netherlands). I made a few useful modifications. The jaws are thicker, so there was room to make dog holes in both jaws, useful for sanding or planing. Also I fixed two pieces of 30x20mm ply to stick out the back (let in to the back jaw) with holes to position the vise on the bench (which is MFT-style) with dogs and only one or two small clamps.
Both improvements made it much more useable
If I had a hand plane that nice I could sell it and buy a better tablesaw. 😊You really take pride in your work and it shows!
I made one with the BenchCrafted hardware about 6 years ago. Mine is a mini bench top with a 19x32 raised surface behind the jaws. I recently added MicroJig dovetail tracks to the bench top- great for holding parts. LOVE the addition of the springs to your hardware!
Send us a pic we will post it to our gallery
U want to sell I'm doing my level 1in carpentry and joinery diploma iv got hand tools but no space iv never used my tools or if u cando me on before Christmas 😊😊ik in uk???
Well done.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Simple and sweet....
Me or the Moxon vise?
Great video, I'm about ready to replace my moxin vice and watching this I know how to make it better. I will build a saw vice after the new moving vice so I can break in both the files yall sent me. I finally got time to use the cosman plane wax great improvement over candle wax. Thanks again
So glad you like our Magic Wax, we love it. Good luck with the vise
Nice I like this
I built one that 3×3 Customs made. But that didn't have the spring assist. I have had trouble finding a spring that I thought would work. I went to your web site and you carry them. Thank you for selling them as an independent pair. Can't wait to use your upgrade. For the readers of this, you should donate to the PHP, it is a great cause .
The addition of the springs the knobs are grea
Thanks.
Thanks Rob. Your attention to detail is something I always admire and helps me improve as woodworker
One thing could could do that seems possibly desirable would be to dowel it so that it has bench dogs going into the dog holes as another fixation point. Assuming you wanted to make it fit the edge of the bench that would make sure it locks in, there, too.
Genius, great minds think alike. For over a year, since the first moxon vice build I saw, I figured that was the way to go. You could use a wood tap on the bottom of the vice and the die on 1/2 of the dowls, (dogs). That way that so you could remove them to clamp the vice to a flat table. Would that work?
My moxon vise is wonderful. Mine is a bit thicker in dimensions, and built with Ash (it's what I had), but looks amazing and works seamlessly. Different hardware kit, can't remember the brand but it's a dark grey finish I enjoy it allot.
This vise solved allot of challenges I had with my standard vices that came with my workbench. They're OK for some thing, but for serious woodworking they're a challenge. But the alternative was to build another bench, or try to force fit aftermarket vices. The moxon solves all of that, and slides onto a back shelf when not in use. Well worth the investment, especially if you do allot of detail handwork.
Just ordered the kit. Looking forward to having it and building it.
You will love it
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Would it be possible to get the length, width, height of the three pieces of wood in both your prototype and the final version? I know it's in the video but thought it might be helpful to have it written down as it were. Many thanks.
thanks
Thanks for the video. I have persistent back issues so I set my bench a bit higher than you recommend. I have been thinking of using a Moxon vise but using it underneath the bench instead of on top. If I am ever able to lower the bench height I can always put it on the bench top instead of under it. I'm going to use some of your design ideas for my vise. Thanks again!
I think I would lower the bench the put the vise on top
I was waiting for this video to see how you made your vice. Now I can order the moxon hardware and find the wood. The springs and knobs you added are practical ideas that make the vice better and easier to use. Thank you for the video! Take care.
The knobs are awesome, turns the wheels fast
Rob, I was hoping you could spair me from mowing the yard with this video but no go, 90* and 90 % humid here in west TN. so when it cool's off this fall I will be making one. Thanks for the video.
Can you say AC?
Another great video. If the vise is used for dovetails, how do you mark out for the pins using your plane as a workpiece rest?
Great addition for a workbench and now that you have figured out a way to make it removable, it's really great. Going to have to get your kit now!
I think its a great add on
I need to do one of these . Maybe even two .
Two is better
Any recommendation for holding the tail board to align the pin and tail boards for marking the pins with this vise design? Using a plane would be too low. Great design!
I know it's a bit late, but my vision is a simple addition to the backside of the vice that allows you to slot in a support shelf when needed for dovetail work, just make sure it's either dead even with the vice + width of your material, or add in a few slots to make it adjustable. or if you have enough waste wood you can make multiple supports of different heights to account for the material width.
I think this concept is great and I have ordered the kit to make my own vice. I am a bit puzzled why Rob did not put the holes half way down the front face of his so it would pull up square. I know the front is very stiff but why not do this? Like on the table saw version.
OT, but Rob, is that MDF on the surface of your assembly table?
Re the video, well done. Thank you. It provides valuable input to my own Moxon build, for which I've just received a hardware kit. I particularly like your incorporation of a 3/4 inch plywood clamping apron. The low silhouette it provides will keep the clamps well out of the way. One difference I anticipate: I think I'll countersink that inside nut into the front face of the back jaw, where there's more meat.
I loved " I'm the long haired version...."! I go back and forth with my hair length. Ya gotta mix it up!
I am Fabio
I have made a few similar vices on site in my job as a carpenter using T rails inset on one face and nuts and bolts instead of the large threaded rods etc,10mm rod is a lot weaker but is a quick effective solution very similar to your rolls royce approach
Send me some pics I would love to see some of you on the job vises
Just what I need for my poor old back. Unfortunately, will have to try and source in Australia, the cost of freight has gone through the roof. At least I now have an excellent guide to follow.
Yes I know, but fuel seems to be coming down so maybe transport costs will ease up
Very good design, Rob. I rarely build jigs without doing a lot of thinking, sketching and planning about how they’ll work in my (small) shop. So, while I’ve been wanting to make a benchtop Moxon vise for a while for cutting joinery (esp. dovetails), the designs I’ve seen to date have been missing the mark. I need one that’s wide enough for panels, but all the designs I’ve seen are too deep (basically, an elevated auxiliary benchtop), which means they would occupy too much of my workbench surface during use and require a lot of shelf space when put away. This one avoids those problems. Also: I’ve been wondering if I truly need to use maple or white oak for this project, and you answered that question perfectly. Pine it is! Looks like I’ll be ordering your Cosmanized kit today so I can get going on this overdue project. 👍
Sounds great. I think you will be fine with pine or Poplar
Great video long hair Rob.😉
I am going for the Fabio look!
If you install two dowels on the bottom of the vice that fit into the dog holes, you wouldn't need the clamps to hold it down?
David Barron made a video 8 yrs ago on your spring idea.
I built one for the club recently, After watching this I wish I had waited to pick up a few tips. I did lock the wheels on the end of the threads so the thread doesn't stick out when the jaw is closed. It called for trapping the nut behind the back jaw. I also included a small, flat work surface attached to the back jaw. If I build another I'll be including that spring. Thanks
Send us a pic of the one you built
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Email with photo and details of construction sent to the webmaster email address.
The long hair suits you, most guys our age are just hoping to have hair, as we do. 😃
I am going for the Fabio look
Nice Build, Rob. Your tweaks on the kits are perfect. Just curious: what is maximum thickness of stock that would fit in these jaws?
I just finished it, I can get 3'' thick and with some adjustment could probably get another 1/2"
Thinking of using moxon Vice as my front vice. Is it a good idea? Will this kit work in this type of installation and any recommendations if I proceed with moxon vise as front vise?
I made my moxon vice with a small work surface on the back with dog holes so I have an elevated mini workbench. I does add considerable weight though.
Depending on your needs a mini bench can be useful. I wanted to make mine so it was easily moved into and out of position.
I'll build a Cosman bench in a month or so. I'm thinking on using this moxon kit and installing it permanently to the bench. I'm still figuring out the design. Any Ideas ? Thanks !
I'd add some dowels at the bottom, so the whole thing fits in the dogholes. That way you don't need the clamps.
Off topic, but I see you swipe your plane blades with, what looks like a Chap Stick tube. I use a paraffin chunk of wax I keep in my work bib. What is it?
The allthread that sticks out can be a danger and
it can scrape your hands as you turn the hand
wheels. Better to have the allthread be connected
to the hand wheels and extend to the back of the
device.
Is there a way to add the same handles to the Benchcrafted version if we already have one?
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I have used a similar vice but with wooden screws from Legacy tool. (they made them to demonstrate the Legacy capabilities). I have faced my jaws with leather from Tandy leather. Much nicer.
ThAnks for watching
Hi Rob, thanks for this video. My back is killing me so I wanted to make one of these and was going to modify the previous one on the table saw for something like this. Thanks for making the Video.
Trying to find the link for the kit on the website. Also, do you have any blems of your new kit?
Here you go robcosman.com/collections/workbench-accessories/products/cosmanized-woodriver-moxon-vise-hardware-kit
I think a couple of 1” bolts with wings nuts through the dog holes would be the icing. It would allow ditching the clamps. Or possibly two of those dog hole clamp things.
That would work. The clamps are faster and easier I think
Hi Rob, I noticed you wrote "pin" on your piece of pine, are you living/working with french language too ? Greetings from Lyon 🇫🇷, I enjoy your style of teaching, I learned a lot from you, many thanks
Its my one French word!!
@@RobCosmanWoodworking One is more than none :)
When I saw this it shouted to use the dog holes instead of the clamps. Cleaner and easier
Don't worry Rob, I'm the long haired version of Tim. But I haven't seen the short haired version since the early 80s. 🤣😂🤣
Its cheaper to go long hair
Based on Rob's recommendations with his last video on the Moxon vise, I put one on the end of my table saw which I use constantly. There is only one drawback, when you clamp something in the vise, the wood that you are clamping has to extend below the screws when you tighten the vise, otherwise when you turn the screws to tighten the vise, the outside wood part of the vise will tilt outward instead of staying parallel to the wood you are clamping and will not clamp the wood sufficiently to hold it.
Yes this is true
Interesting. If necessary I suppose you could use (an offcut as) the same type of shim/filler that I use when I have to clamp a narrow piece off center. Awkward, though.
Well, you have hit upon one of the great virtues that metal vises possess that is difficult to replicate with wood, that is, the greater rigidity that enables bringing pressure to bear offset from the screw. The easiest method for wooden parts to deal with this limitation is simply to clamp only things large enough to contain in some way the point or line of pressure from the screw. For example, the time honored design of Rob's Scandinavian style face vise. That one makes no bones about such a limitation. Chuck a large hand screw into your Moxon if you need cantilevered gripping.
@@robertbamford8266 This is a typical practice with moxon vises. And leg vises for that matter. though most leg vise have gone to a builtin guide and pin.
Do you think clamping this vise using a bench dog and end vise would be enough? Or adding a couple of dowels that would stick down into the dog holes would help
I have never tried that. I think i prefer something holding it down. You could use two holdfast
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I did try using the bench dogs and when clamped that way I could lift my cosman workbench off the ground by pulling up on the vice. That should be strong enough.
Nicely made, my only criticism is the threaded rod sticking out at the front. Can't it be made so it sticks out at the back? Thereby avoiding grazed knuckles. 🤔
You can put it where you want.
in theory what is the disadvantage of building this and bolting it through the top of your workbench over say a cheap irwin vise that mounts to the front of my current work bench
Hard to beat a cosman video n 😂 I been saying stuff about that hair 😆
Call me Fabian
I already own the woodriver Moroni vice kit. Is there any way to get just the additional pieces?
Yes we sell them on our site
Where is the Moxon Vice Kit sold that you are using with the added pieces on the handles and the springs?
RobCosman.com under “workbench “accessories
What the what? Who turned Rob into a gol-durned HIPPY?!?! LOL.
Perhaps I missed it, but did you add the springs? The Woodcraft kit does not list them.
We add them to the Woodcraft kit that we sell, along with the knobs.
robcosman.com/collections/workbench-accessories/products/cosmanized-woodriver-moxon-vise-hardware-kit
Where do I find the knobs for the hand wheels? Was that a knife on the floor?
We sell the knobs on our website
Rob how do you develop your patience along with pricing pricing your product Tony Tony
You can easily calculate material costs, tricky when you have to add in waste. ie., 35% on hardwoods.
Direct labour is easy but the indirect is complicated. Someone was paid to order, ship, receive and store materials. Shop time get’s factored in, heat, lights, rent depreciation of machines. Small shop supplies, screws, nuts, bolts, glue ect. Then you need a profit to remain viable. Most folks would have a percentage of manufacturing cost formula.
So, there's no washer on the inside of the movable jaw? I would think the bare spring would start to wear into the wood, especially soft pine. Regardless, I'm making one of these; thanks Sir!
You could put a washer for the spring to compress against
But really, Botch, since there is no rotating going on, I don't see much wear at all developing. Maybe your Great, Great Grandkids will want to shim it out a trifle, if they are fussy.
You really don't need these expensive kits to build a moxon vice.
I built mine with wooden screws and handles and it works a treat.
Yes, I had to use a screw box and tap to create the threads but they can be picked up second hand for not a lot of money and can be used for other projects.
Gordon, nobody said you did. Since you suggested it, please leave a link to your video showing you doing it.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking
I like a lot of your videos and have got some good ideas from them. Didn't realise you would take offence.
I don't do videos. Just offering an alternative idea for the hardware kit. It's just my opinion. I would post up a picture of mine but you can't do that in these comments.
No offense taken Gordon. However, if you are critical of the demonstrated method, you need to provide better information. By doing a drive by shooting, you only serve to confuse those with less experience who are just getting started.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking wow, drive by shooting, critical ?
It was just a suggestion.
I now realise this is really just an advertisement for a product rather than a tutorial for a moxon vice which is why you are being so touchy. I wouldn't have made the suggestion if I'd realised at the time it was an advertisement for one of your products.
Think what you may Gordon, its still a free world. Since you dont have a channel yourself but you benefit from those of us that do, learn to temper your comments a little. This way they come across more as a well intended suggestion instead of a veiled criticism of us trying to gouge the viewers.
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why didn't you make it register to the dog holes in your bench? so it's always flush with the front and the F-clamps only need to hold it down instead of having to hold it in place as well.
A lot of extra work for very little gain. The moveable jaw will always line it up with the bench face, and the clamps have more than enough holding power to resist sawing forces.
Long-haired Rob Cosman? More like Canadian Kurt Russell.
That works, too
Why did you anchor the threaded rod to the front jaw on your table saw moxon and the back jaw here
No they are both secured to the rear face. Go rewatch the one we added to the table saw
@@RobCosmanWoodworking oops sorry I could have sworn I remembered you with locktite or a set screw or something
Can u please send one fully ready cash ready
We now sell fully built and assembled Moxon Vises.
At 17:17, you missed centering the 2 boards on each other so that there is more space on one end than the other for clamping.
I will have to ho re watch
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Don't have to re watch just go look at the vice you made its as plain as day. It also looks like you made the same mistake on the prototype.
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This is a pretty solid little workbench. While once you figure out how it comes together, it is physically Easy to assemble czcams.com/users/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh by yourself. But the diagrams explaining the steps are really pretty bad. I could not get the handle pins in all the way despite multiple attempts, so I just used a screw I had on hand for the 2nd handle. I could not get the first pin in further or pull it back out. You are supposed to hammer it in, but I had no leverage and the handle is plastic and I did not want to risk breaking it. I will get a lot of use out of the bench because of the convenient size and height. It does fold up nicely for storage. They even explain how to fold it so you don't get pinched...that is important!
An idea: Add holes to the base that are the same size and line up with the dog holes in the bench. Bench dogs can then do the holding. Or pins and F clamps, but either way you'll get a much firmer hold.
The two clamps on 3/4 ply base are rock solid.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking, howsomever, Rob, clamping from the dog holes and keeping the front clear would allow gripping the end of, say, a door sized object, just the way you would with your Scandi face vise, no? Although I suppose that would require some tinkering with the screw arrangement on the far side.
Where is your blade guard? It's time thst saw cuts are made with the guard in place.
What do you mean by blade guard?
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I was referring to the blade guard. The clear plastic cover that helps you keep your fingers away from the blade.
Hi Robert, those are terrible. They inhibit you from knowing the true location of the wood and the blade and are more dangerous than they are safe. A safe tool is one where you know the danger is located, not one that’s hidden.
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Interesting, I'll have to tell that to my friend that lost 3 fingers. I'd tell that to another that lost 2, but he's passed away. Before you tell me you have a SawStop saw, the mechanism is a fail safe feature. You are depending on the electronics sensing the presence of moisture in your fingers and the trigger mechanism stopping the blade before it cuts your fingers.
In college I had a friend that was working the summer st an auto company dtamping plant. He put a piece of metal in a press and realized it wasn't in correctly. The press required placing both hands on safety buttons before it would actuate. He took his hands off the switches, reached in to fix the problem and the press closed crushing his hand.
I know of far too many industrial accidents where people removed or altered equipment based on 'seeing better' or having 'better access'. I worked on a major risk assessment study where the contractor kept referring to 'brain dead operators.'
Sometimes it's better to learn how to best use safety devices than to remove them to 'see' better.
Finally someone who agrees with my take on those things. I tried to use the one that came with my Harvey saw but found it more trouble than it was worth. Dust collection slightly suffered, but I’ll put up with that if I can see what I’m doing.
Nice project!
Can you tell me what springs you used?
- Length
- Inner diameter
- Wire thickness
Thank you.
robcosman.com/collections/workbench-accessories/products/moxon-vise-springs