5 Mindbending Joker Theories

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  • Spoilers! For Joker 2019. Because we're talking five theories relating to the ending, who or what is real and who isn't, the real parentage of Arthur Fleck, if Joaquin Pheonix is even the real Joker and more. Thanks for watching!
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  • @mrsundaymovies
    @mrsundaymovies  Před 4 lety +257

    This was recorded two weeks ago so guess what, the Easter Egg video is already out (here: bit.ly/2IrSQ4x) as is The Weekly Planet Joker episode (here: bit.ly/2MrR1pK). YOU made this happen so thanks. Just kidding it was me.

    • @miletilblight2181
      @miletilblight2181 Před 4 lety +2

      I'm sticking to the 3 joker's theory
      I also kinda want the elseworld comic where the joker (jack napir) took a drug that cured him temporarily of his insanity to prove that gothem didn't need Batman and he made life a thousand times better
      There was also a plot twist we're there where two harlequins one being the old time ex psyciastrist full body suit harly the other being the archem games inspired one with the pigtails with a different back story of her falling in love with the joker after he robbed a super market or did something might've been a massacre
      In the end old harly sticks with cured joker where the new harly resolves herself to get the insane joker back since the joker is trying his damdest to not go insane anymore so she goes and becomes the neo joker (imagine the joker but a girl but lots of purple neon)
      By the end the joker has most of the bat family trusting him except Batman so shit happens and in the end Batman and the joker who's letting loose and going insane again go with a fleet of batmobiles to stop the neo joker from destroying Gotham in the end its a is the joker dead? Kinda thing
      Old harly goes back into hiding with her wedding ring
      I want a modified adaption of this
      Literally just do three different joker's then you can kill him redeem him and lock him up we can get all the great story lines and all the iconic back stories

    • @narcspector
      @narcspector Před 4 lety +2

      I don't think any of it was in his head except for the parts that were explicitly shown to be in his head (Zazie relationship, the original Murray appearance, etc). I have a very long "theory" that I feel like is "the definitive explanation of this movie", but it's lengthy. Shall I produce it here? If you guys want to hear it, I'll post it. Also, I enjoyed the film and felt that it succeeded in what it was trying to do, which was showing the world through Arthur's eyes/perception.

    • @miletilblight2181
      @miletilblight2181 Před 4 lety +1

      @@narcspector I'd like to hear it

    • @s2h0e0v7a
      @s2h0e0v7a Před 4 lety

      Mr Sunday Movies how about this movie is about the joker preparing for the killing joke. He implied in end cutscene that “the joke is for Bruce.”

    • @GNplayer1
      @GNplayer1 Před 4 lety +1

      Well, if Todd agree to connect it to DC next Batman movie! Joaquin might won't accept! and he won't damage his body again to get into the role and even he did it he don't want to appear with Batman but maybe he will complete the story of Arthur..
      Me personally! I hope he won't appear as a Batman villian, I kinda like him that way as a solo movie..
      But for Pattinson's Batman movie, I wish they cast William Dafoe as Joker because he looks like tha Arkham/comics Joker!
      and that movie is based on comics such as The Long Halloween!
      BTW: I hope Todd direct another character study movie about The Batman/Vigilantism...
      Batman is just as crazy as Joker and that's what Joker trying to tell him always!
      In The Dark Knight and The killing joke and Arkham Origins!
      I hope I can see a very serious and realism version of Batman that he could bleed and be killed a psycho version of Batman that he is crazy just don't know yet!
      The only difference between Joker and Bruce ( who saw as a kid his parents being killed in front of him and that effected him )that Bruce is rich ..
      Maybe a Batman/Joker version just like Unbreakable (The movie) !

  • @barryscott9590
    @barryscott9590 Před 4 lety +964

    A lot of people haven't mentioned it, but it's said in Penny Fleck's file that she was lobotomised. This might also hint towards the Wayne family covering up her and Thomas' affair.

    • @zarbixii
      @zarbixii Před 4 lety +94

      I forgot about that. There's a lot of quick shots of files and letters in this movie, I think we'll have to wait a while until we've all seen everything there is to see.

    • @Deris87
      @Deris87 Před 4 lety +121

      Yep, if lobotomizing your problems away works for the Kennedys it works for the Waynes too.

    • @succulentcranberry
      @succulentcranberry Před 4 lety +35

      THIS IS WHY I WANT ANOTHER MOVIE NOW. FAST. MAKE IT. I LOVE IT. MAKE IT NOW.

    • @commonsensehill372
      @commonsensehill372 Před 4 lety +76

      I think T Wayne was dirty and with his kind of money... he could have covered up an illegitimate affair and pregnancy with Penny and left her to the whims of the low lifes of Gotham... thus setting her up for failure and the lobotomy would be just the ticket to more or less screw Pennies life up so that T Wayne could go on about his business and Penny would be branded a nutjob who abused her child. I didn't buy that whole adopted thing at all. Something stank real bad when when you watch the reaction of the clerk holding the file when he found out who was inquiring about it.

    • @CryptoFeez
      @CryptoFeez Před 4 lety +8

      Barry Scott I told that to my wife. She would not agree kept saying he was crazy from
      Head trama

  • @AmarHujan
    @AmarHujan Před 4 lety +1044

    "This is a guy that will punch somebody in the bathroom". In fairness to Thomas Wayne the guy stalked his son and then choked out his butler

    • @rindoubaka1574
      @rindoubaka1574 Před 4 lety +160

      He also stalked him into a bathroom.

    • @AmarHujan
      @AmarHujan Před 4 lety +68

      @@rindoubaka1574 he also stalked Zazie Beetz. Bloody should be called Stalker, am I right?

    • @rindoubaka1574
      @rindoubaka1574 Před 4 lety +2

      @@AmarHujan What's with the bloody?

    • @RespectProcess
      @RespectProcess Před 4 lety +13

      @@rindoubaka1574 its in reference to joker stabbing randall

    • @AmarHujan
      @AmarHujan Před 4 lety

      @@rindoubaka1574 I'd just come back from the gym and I think I was dehydrated

  • @joebeta
    @joebeta Před 4 lety +453

    Here's a theory from one of my cohost:
    Thomas Wayne was the boyfriend that abused Penny and Arthur, and had everything covered up through news paper articles, and fake adoption papers. That eventually drove Penny to Arkham Asylum. Plus, the big joke in the end of the movie is that Thomas Wayne is the one who created the Joker, and his own demise.

    • @loganclark9509
      @loganclark9509 Před 4 lety +35

      Interesting theory

    • @oddballsok
      @oddballsok Před 4 lety +39

      TW is rather quick to punch Fleck full on the nose, when you d expect a respectably man to be kind for this person who went through abusive shit (as a company manager he would have know the records of the mother when she got fired..presuming all the abuse went on while she was employed..and let to her sacking AFTER police reports were made).
      But no..immediately PUNCH... a sign of being an abusive man ?

    • @Trezzpops
      @Trezzpops Před 4 lety +32

      @@oddballsok Ha stalked is son and throttled his friend/butler. Fair to say that if he wasn't running for Mayor, he'd have given him a lot worse.

    • @gregzeke2956
      @gregzeke2956 Před 4 lety +2

      ODDBALL SOK he punched him cause he went to the Wayne manor and messed with Bruce, but I really like the theory

    • @yoinkymcsploinky9649
      @yoinkymcsploinky9649 Před 4 lety +1

      So Thomas Wayne basically committed suicide

  • @KaizenMethod
    @KaizenMethod Před 4 lety +317

    Towards the end before he puts on makeup to get ready for the show, he crumples up a picture of his mother and on the back it says "Love your smile - TW". Definitely possible.

    • @Arcin00
      @Arcin00 Před 4 lety +8

      Kaizen Gamer i think that was definitely to be like hey maybe after they said he’s not his dad

    • @IGarrettI
      @IGarrettI Před 4 lety +55

      It could also be written by his mom

    • @tweeks9896
      @tweeks9896 Před 4 lety +2

      Maybe

    • @cameronhug
      @cameronhug Před 4 lety +7

      I gotta check out some of the writing in the movie cause sure we gotta pay attention to what's written, but also the penmanship. I think that could be a key of who's writing what

    • @fangal12
      @fangal12 Před 4 lety +43

      Yeah, but even if he wrote that it doesn't necessarily mean he's his father. Perhaps he was young and thought she was pretty but soon saw she was crazy and decided not to pursue her.....also, she did have a fantastic smile, maybe it was just an observation

  • @autismobinch135
    @autismobinch135 Před 4 lety +2143

    Best Theory:
    Joker is a Gamer who was injured in the Console wars.

    • @BadSituation29
      @BadSituation29 Před 4 lety +45

      Joker is NoobMaster69 confirmed.

    • @SOC675
      @SOC675 Před 4 lety +12

      joker is a gamer who lives in a society

    • @frederick6512
      @frederick6512 Před 4 lety +7

      Does this mean Thomas Wayne and Batman are boomers?

    • @laurocoman
      @laurocoman Před 4 lety +3

      And inspired Gamergate.

    • @tweeks9896
      @tweeks9896 Před 4 lety

      Lol

  • @bigstunna2049
    @bigstunna2049 Před 4 lety +717

    Bruce's parents get shot: asleep
    Jack Napier is joker: asleep
    Thomas wayne is a cheapskate: *WOKE*

    • @bigstunna2049
      @bigstunna2049 Před 4 lety +5

      @@RogueBoyScout they said that in the video that only cheap pearl necklaces can be ripped and expensive ones cant because they're knotted

  • @Joe-v5o
    @Joe-v5o Před 4 lety +456

    My theory is that we live in a society

    • @why9098
      @why9098 Před 4 lety +10

      A society full of idiots who wont stop saying this its embarrassing

    • @dillyc_11
      @dillyc_11 Před 4 lety +22

      @@why9098 we live in a society

    • @why9098
      @why9098 Před 4 lety +1

      @@dillyc_11 ...

    • @justbrowsingleavemealone1581
      @justbrowsingleavemealone1581 Před 4 lety +11

      Why ?
      We live in a society

    • @why9098
      @why9098 Před 4 lety +1

      @@justbrowsingleavemealone1581 you are embarrassing copying what everyone else is doing like a mindless idiot...

  • @allenmacias273
    @allenmacias273 Před 4 lety +315

    I don’t think the whole movie was imagined. If it was, that means he imagined that he imagined Murray liked him, and he imagined that he imagined having a girlfriend and he managed to imagine the origins of the Batman, and that sounds stupid to me.

    • @oddballsok
      @oddballsok Před 4 lety +41

      and we imagined we went to a cinema and see a joker movie...all illusions!

    • @YouForYuh
      @YouForYuh Před 4 lety +20

      Allen Macias yeah i agree i mean the girlfriend thing yeah that was imagined, the scene in the beginning where murray points him out in the crowd was imagined, other than that i dont think anything else was

    • @iwonttellmynametoamachine5422
      @iwonttellmynametoamachine5422 Před 4 lety +7

      It's not really an imagination inside another imagination. It's a story told about an insane guy who imagined things. So no, the whole movie wasn't imagined. It was a lie told by the joker to his psychiatrist.

    • @jannclaudebinoya
      @jannclaudebinoya Před 4 lety

      @christopher ray the joker's eyes can only imagine 1 stand alone movie

    • @vapoet
      @vapoet Před 4 lety +2

      You missed a big possibility. It's that in Arthur's "real" universe, Batman comics exist and in his fantasy universe, he becomes a villain he liked in the comic book.

  • @markoarkaina8656
    @markoarkaina8656 Před 4 lety +340

    My theory is that Mason is James's enabler.

  • @ezj8262
    @ezj8262 Před 4 lety +467

    The joke that the Joker put on the entire audience.
    When you start out watching it, you don't realize you are watching an entire story that is being told from the Joker's pespective. It's a sob story designed to make the audience feel compassion for him... and the interesting thing about the Joker's narrative is that he's the victim in his story, he's not a sadist, a manipulator, a planner, schemer...etc... he's just a brain damaged person and a victim of his circumstances. I didn't realize until a few days after I watched the movie, that the audience became the Joker's Harley Quinn. We fell for his story, but the director warned us that the Joker is an unreliable narrator. The Joker manipulates masses of people, and finds it hysterical.... just as Ledger's Joker targeted the Gothamites... Joaquin's Joker targeted the audience.

    • @hauntedbylight
      @hauntedbylight Před 4 lety +35

      Nah

    • @ezj8262
      @ezj8262 Před 4 lety +35

      @@hauntedbylight It's up to interpretation, but consider the fact that he is the narrator, and we already know that he's unreliable... this is what the director says. In history story, he's not really a threat to the Batman, nothing really formiddable. No knowledge of science and chemistry... a brain damaged person, not a genius. He's not a guy who can mass manipulate people, as he doesn't really understand those around him. He's socially awkward, he's always the victim, and when he kills it's always in revenge not because he's a sadist. You don't go from being a brain damaged person who can't really interpret the world around you very well, nor read people very well -- to being a criminal mastermind and a brilliant schemer.

    • @smurfette_blues7922
      @smurfette_blues7922 Před 4 lety +2

      @@hauntedbylight I was literally just about to comment that

    • @bakedcrystal915
      @bakedcrystal915 Před 4 lety +2

      Nahhhh

    • @mackybell14
      @mackybell14 Před 4 lety +37

      A good liar knows that adding a bit of the truth is likely to make the deception more believable.
      That's likely what the joker's pulling.

  • @JustJohnny
    @JustJohnny Před 4 lety +381

    I think people are really underestimating this version of the Joker. He's very weak early on but I think by the end, he's become a very strong person and by the time Bruce has become Batman, he'll have perfected his craft.

    • @TheNiggler17
      @TheNiggler17 Před 4 lety +53

      He was smart enough to sneak into the theatre

    • @ericstaples7220
      @ericstaples7220 Před 4 lety +65

      By the time Bruce becomes Batman, this Joker will be geriatric.

    • @ScaryMason
      @ScaryMason Před 4 lety +18

      The last person Arthur speaks to is murdered. You can see the bloody footprints in that last shot before the credits. So he is strong enough to do that. In my head-cannon he becomes the wheelchair bound Joker from Power Girl & Huntress comic book.

    • @maulvidm5811
      @maulvidm5811 Před 4 lety +25

      @@ericstaples7220 no. it is established that arthur is his early 30's by the start of the movie. So he would be like late 40-ish when bruce come back.

    • @ericstaples7220
      @ericstaples7220 Před 4 lety +6

      @@maulvidm5811 This guy passes for 30 to you? Ermkay.

  • @jaredfrost3548
    @jaredfrost3548 Před 4 lety +323

    I hate the "inspired Joker" protégé idea. It's been floating around for quite awhile now. Especially during the Gotham TV series. It's a terrible idea. It cheapens the character, and eliminates the tragic origin story.

    • @TheNiggler17
      @TheNiggler17 Před 4 lety +44

      Finally someone else who hates this idea

    • @Aurich88
      @Aurich88 Před 4 lety +48

      I liked that idea a lot more than that guy just being the Joker in Gotham. It's also strengthens the Joker as a "dark mirror" of Batman by making him an unkillable idea rather than one man.

    • @nathannogen4552
      @nathannogen4552 Před 4 lety +5

      I think while it definitely weakens the core of Joker as a whole, it would be a very good idea, if they end up making a Batman out of this portrayal of Bruce Wayne. Meaning that I don't see this version of Joker facing off against this version of Batman, due to the age difference. while it would be fucking cool to see this Joker mature and perfect his craft and see the process of becoming the mentally complex character we all know and love, I don't think that the studio would ever put in a like, super old Joker vs. a young and fresh Batman. If they find a way to pull it off though, I think it could be quite something. Or maybe they add a twist whereas there is no age gap (somehow). But I think it would be a cool perspective, to see a true Joker born out of an almost demonic Gotham City, eventually face off a Batman, who was born into a Gotham City that LED to his parents' death, kind of like a mirror image of the two, seeing two different views of Gotham City itself. you're right though, they most definitely better not discard this portrayal of Joker because the amount of depth it has added to the character, so I hope they find some way to make it work in this "universe."

    • @hermos3602
      @hermos3602 Před 4 lety +2

      I think that Joker wannabe in Gotham is meant to be that universe's definitive Joker. I still don't like it though.

    • @H4WKB13
      @H4WKB13 Před 4 lety +7

      @@nathannogen4552 "I don't see this version of Joker facing off against this version of Batman, due to the age difference"
      But the Joker in a lot of portrayals tends to be a lot older than Batman anyway. I don't think it would be that impossble.

  • @willcrisp6272
    @willcrisp6272 Před 4 lety +229

    I love how 10-15 years ago we loved the idea of an intertwined movie comic book universe.
    Now we love the idea of stand alone films that are not intertwined.
    Classic example of how nothing will ever be good enough for us humans.

    • @gavinhenderson7250
      @gavinhenderson7250 Před 4 lety +26

      I love both.

    • @StopReadingMyNameOrElse
      @StopReadingMyNameOrElse Před 4 lety +33

      Its not that. Its that after the perfection that was the Infinity Saga, people know it can't be topped, and want something fresh. Marvel was on top of the world for a decade straight. Now DC is finally shining again, in a similar way to how Dark Knight trilogy did.

    • @StopReadingMyNameOrElse
      @StopReadingMyNameOrElse Před 4 lety +14

      @1993DJC Perfection in the sense that, for every single other company that attempted to do what they did, they failed miserably. DC included.
      There is a complete flowing story, each movie absolutely stand alone, while also being connected to other separate characters all with their own themes and worlds. There is nothing that exists in cinematic format that can match the MCU, right now. Thats why it's so popular. It's built up, properly, and then paid off, properly, for over a decade.
      This has also never been a secret. This was always the plan from the beginning. You cant ask for inter conneted comic book movies with crossovers, and then complain about too many movies. Not you specifically, but people in general.

    • @bennyhoward1391
      @bennyhoward1391 Před 4 lety +3

      Mainly because dc shat the bed

    • @alonsoarana5307
      @alonsoarana5307 Před 4 lety +8

      @1993DJC and I'm getting tired of DC just throwing shit into the wall to see what sticks, Marvel isn't perfect but they can at least deliver on the big moments and hell they can also deliver on smaller pieces too

  • @mrplow8
    @mrplow8 Před 4 lety +196

    My theory is that Robert De Niro's character is reincarnated as Ace The Bat Hound.

    • @Quirderph
      @Quirderph Před 4 lety +1

      De Niro will go on to play this character in the DCEU with the help of motion capture.

    • @EasyCure0
      @EasyCure0 Před 4 lety +2

      @@Quirderph and in a surprise twist, Ace will actually be voiced by George Clooney, not only bringing him back into the Batman universe, but returning to the world of voice acting as a dog.

    • @pentelegomenon1175
      @pentelegomenon1175 Před 3 lety

      Robert De Niro's character does loosely correspond to a semi-obscure DC character called the Creeper. The Creeper was originally a TV show host in Gotham City named Jack Ryder who was shot in the head by a mobster, but is saved by a mad scientist who turns him into a vengeful clownish super-human; later stories suggest that this origin is a false memory created by unknown trauma, and that he may have inherited a few of his mother's severe mental illnesses. The Batman animated series also had an episode called "Enter The Creeper", where Jack Ryder is a reporter doing a live broadcast about the Joker's origin and is interrupted by the Joker himself who seemingly kills him, but actually turns him into The Creeper. Interestingly the Creeper has more than a few similarities to the Green Goblin, and both characters were co-created by Steve Ditko.

  • @jackjones1318
    @jackjones1318 Před 4 lety +76

    After he kills his mother he looks at that photo of her and it says “I love your smile”- TW (Thomas Wayne). Suggests that they actually did have an affair.

    • @ocean7849
      @ocean7849 Před 4 lety +8

      Or... His mother wrote that herself 🤷 but seriously, his mother seemed mentally stablein the movie, until we saw the flashback. Lets not forget, that this movie's narrator is the joker. So it could ve, that he believed those fake files, thus the movie shows ist their real, cause Arthur thinks IT and the movie ist from his perspective

    • @angelusvastator1297
      @angelusvastator1297 Před 4 lety +1

      Are TW and Penny's handwriting similar? That'd probably answer it.

    • @ocean7849
      @ocean7849 Před 4 lety +1

      @@angelusvastator1297 Not at all

    • @angelusvastator1297
      @angelusvastator1297 Před 4 lety

      @@ocean7849 What you mean?

    • @jackjones1318
      @jackjones1318 Před 4 lety +1

      AngelusVastator could easily check that, see her handwriting slot in the film

  • @JDotWill
    @JDotWill Před 4 lety +296

    Like I said before, it’s Schrödinger’s Joker. Everything both did & didn’t happen

    • @larurentius
      @larurentius Před 4 lety +38

      @Christopher Christopher before

    • @electricalraptor8942
      @electricalraptor8942 Před 4 lety +2

      Laurentius good one.👏👏

    • @alexanderchippel
      @alexanderchippel Před 4 lety +8

      The point of the movie is that it doesn't matter.

    • @KingClovis
      @KingClovis Před 4 lety +6

      Until Batman collapses the wave function when he watches it.

    • @robertbosse8217
      @robertbosse8217 Před 4 lety +1

      My thoughts exactly, T.P. did this purposely, just like the end of Inception, he will never give a str8 answer, he will say "it's open to interpretation"

  • @drsoe08
    @drsoe08 Před 4 lety +125

    My theory is that he's in Arkham the whole time and just recalling the events that led up to him being there, but the thing is, he's a very unreliable narrator, the story that was presented is in his POV, we can't fully trust Arthur, thus maybe some of the events may have happened and maybe some of it did not, we can't tell for sure.

    • @jared7520
      @jared7520 Před 4 lety +29

      I like this theory with the added twist of, Batman is the one who put him in Arkham and he retelling his origin story to the therapist when he remembers the Waynes dying and puts the pieces together about Batman's identity. That's the joke she wouldn't understand. He then kills her because he doesn't want her to figure it out or for anyone else to hear everything he just told her.

    • @Dgsbeast
      @Dgsbeast Před 4 lety +10

      i literally thought the same thing but with a twist hes actually in modern times and batman has just brought him back to arkham and hes about to escape again

    • @mrheroprimes
      @mrheroprimes Před 4 lety +6

      @@jared7520 Joker dose has a tendency to kill people that try to reveal Batman's identity, in the Batman cartoon he gave wrath and Scorn a dose of Joker venom because they were planning to reveal Batman's secret identity.

    • @dr.bobcat5896
      @dr.bobcat5896 Před 4 lety +3

      The only reason this theory doesn't sit well with me is that he would tell the part about imagining a girlfriend. I just don't see the point in including that.

    • @mrheroprimes
      @mrheroprimes Před 4 lety +2

      @@dr.bobcat5896 if you've ever read Killing Joke one of Joker's Origins is that he had a pregnant wife. which we don't even know if that's true or not because Joker himself is an unreliable narrator and does not want to give a definitive origin for himself.

  • @CaugheyMachine
    @CaugheyMachine Před 4 lety +90

    "Uhh, Maso, one small thing? When you bring me out, can you introduce me as MR. SCUMBAG MOVIES?"

  • @Lawofidentity
    @Lawofidentity Před 4 lety +38

    I think I missed the 5 mind bending theories

  • @supernerd5781
    @supernerd5781 Před 4 lety +35

    My theory is that why he looks like he's in his 40s is that, it's him remembering it and because he's insane he can't visualise himself when he was younger.

  • @sircharizardiii9079
    @sircharizardiii9079 Před 4 lety +149

    I wanna see a joker style Harvey dent film

  • @DanielS2001
    @DanielS2001 Před 4 lety +7

    My theory is based on the idea presented in the iconic story The Killing Joke: this film is not the true origin of the Joker, but it's just one of the random backstories he comes up with over the years. And, to make it more interesting, each version of the Joker we've seen in live-action are all different origin stories for the Joker and we have yet to see the real Joker (who is probably a combination of all of them with various aspects). As the Joker stated in The Killing Joke, "I prefer to have a past that's multiple choice."

    • @ciyoduhkriter
      @ciyoduhkriter Před 4 lety +1

      That is what I was thinking too. Sad how some people consider this origin story canon.

    • @LoganBluth
      @LoganBluth Před 4 lety +1

      It's weird that he would come up with an origin story for himself in which he's a complete numpty who only gets by on dumb luck.

  • @elliotcook3108
    @elliotcook3108 Před 4 lety +25

    I like how if you watch the video without sound, it still makes absolute sense

  • @sadplatinum6786
    @sadplatinum6786 Před 4 lety +29

    My personal theory is that at the end of the movie when he’s at the Asylum, that’s set several years after the film, where he’s been apprehended by Batman, and the joke the doctor doesn’t get it that his actions led to the creation of Batman, and that the mental patient chasing him down the hall at the end of the movie is meant to be symbolic of his relationship with Batman

    • @deandreaustin7556
      @deandreaustin7556 Před 4 lety +5

      I like that theory

    • @johnreillypospos655
      @johnreillypospos655 Před 4 lety +5

      this wouldnt hold because there wasnt enough buildup or context within this movie to support that. you are only able to say that because you already have an idealized storyline based on comic books and past movies.

    • @liamcallaghan7542
      @liamcallaghan7542 Před 4 lety +3

      Time has passed.
      His hair is no longer green, he has facial hair and has put an a large amount of weight. Time has deffo passed, but how much?

    • @JamesT094
      @JamesT094 Před 4 lety +1

      That was an orderly lol

    • @fandomewhisper
      @fandomewhisper Před 4 lety

      That's a clean theory. ❤

  • @HartzProductions
    @HartzProductions Před 4 lety +13

    Even if they aren’t DNA related, Thomas Wayne’s actions created the Joker... in fact Thomas Wayne was the one who dubbed him a “clown”! So in that sense, he is the father of the Joker

    • @eddiediaz5518
      @eddiediaz5518 Před 4 lety +3

      L A Murray came up with the name “Joker”, but Thomas called people like Arthur “clowns”

    • @Ecosse57
      @Ecosse57 Před 4 lety

      i would say the boyfriend who abused fleck as a young boy and the terrible treatment by his mother made joker who he is.

  • @MrStevesparkz
    @MrStevesparkz Před 4 lety +6

    joker never leaves arkam , the entire movie is a session with his doctor , leading u to her death further keeping him in the hospital where he feels the most comfortable

  • @bipeline
    @bipeline Před 4 lety +15

    Best thing about watching a movie is finally being able to watch Mr Sunday Movies' videos on it, no bulldust.

  • @nickpietri7884
    @nickpietri7884 Před 4 lety +17

    My theory is that Joker doesn't actually live in a *SoCiEtyYyy*

  • @andymcgram7643
    @andymcgram7643 Před 4 lety +9

    As much as I would like to see a sequel, I also dont want to. This movie was too damn good, I wouldnt want them to force something out that isn't as good

  • @chancecole437
    @chancecole437 Před 4 lety +10

    It would line up well enough that this Joker inspired Leto. I mean, he already kinda felt like a poser doing his best Joker impression, why not make it cannon?

    • @kevindaniel5086
      @kevindaniel5086 Před 4 lety +1

      you can't mix shit with chocolate cake and pretend they belong together.

  • @hellbenderdesign
    @hellbenderdesign Před 4 lety +2

    My favorite part was that _Zazie Beetz_ is the real name of an actual person.
    On second thought, may favorite part was when young Bruce Wayne lets a stranger with a clown nose put his fingers in his mouth. Through a fence.

  • @lestertjester4140
    @lestertjester4140 Před 4 lety +27

    How many times has Batman’s origin (AKA his parents getting murdered) been shown in film and print? Has to be the most repeated moment in film and print history, right?

  • @CupCakeUnleashed
    @CupCakeUnleashed Před 4 lety +20

    I want a todd phillips batman

  • @jshorey2536
    @jshorey2536 Před 4 lety +4

    Before the film came out, my theory was that Arthur is not the real Joker that batman does not fight, and someone would be inspired by Arthur's actions in the film, but Arthur would still be around and be very old when batman comes around, and batman would not fight Arthur, but he would just want to try and find out on who is the new and younger Joker that Batman is fighting, and maybe Arthur dies from old age, and kinda celebrates about his legacy being passed on. And I still have this theory on my mind.

  • @archiethomas3911
    @archiethomas3911 Před 3 lety +1

    I like the idea that the joker, as a character in comics, cartoons, films etc. He knows he’s a fictional character being read and watched, that’s why he isn’t afraid to die it’s why he finds everything so funny because he knows nothing matters, nothing is actually happening and despite killing a lot of characters he still hasn’t actually killed a single person in fact most of the time the characters come back to life in one form or another so no one is ever truly dead, and the best part is that only he knows he’s a fictional character everyone else thinks they’re real, “what’s so funny?” “ You wouldn’t get it”

  • @michaeljeacock
    @michaeljeacock Před 4 lety +15

    what if Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker was not the first time the joker created the next joker?

  • @giallanza1293
    @giallanza1293 Před 4 lety +2

    The idea of the movie being all in The Jokers head is my favorite. The movie is just The story being told by Joker to his therapist so of course he’d make himself look and act like who he wants when speaking about himself

  • @toothpastehombre
    @toothpastehombre Před 4 lety +3

    Joker going to Narnia in the fridge cracked me up. What an image

  • @masterflicks4950
    @masterflicks4950 Před 4 lety +8

    Maybe Jared Leto's joker is a follower of the og joker's movement

  • @frambojan
    @frambojan Před 4 lety +4

    I really appreciate how they always give credit to random redditors when they explore their theories. It's very respectful.

  • @yashsalve7702
    @yashsalve7702 Před 4 lety +50

    Well, I have a similar theory. What I understood from the movie is, all the events where author is getting praise, affection and love is all his imagination( the stand-up performance, having a girlfriend, Murray being nice to him,etc) and all the events when he's bullied and the crimes he commit, are real.
    Another thing which I believe is, joker actually dies in the car crash, which was foreshadowed by his Knock knock joke saying " ma'am your son was hit by a truck and died". And thats what exactly happens and he dies, When he stands on the hood and everyone is cheering for him is all in his head, even the cinematography has a dream like appearance.
    The arkham asylum as we know had dark and yellow, worn-out interiors, but in the final scene, it's pure white, clean and spotless, implementing his dead or in his own thoughts thinking about what he has achieved just before taking his last breath.
    The joke which he says "you won't get it" according to me is, even after his death, he unknowingly made hundreds of jokers in Gotham to carry-on what he started, eventually killing Thomas Wayne who potentially abandoned him. Now as a result, bruce is left alone just like the author was in his childhood, without a role model, and among the hundreds of jokers from Gotham, the real joker will arise and carry-on authors legacy and eventually became Batman's arch nemesis.
    So I think this version of joker is an inspiration for the joker which we know and maybe just like 80's batman movie, he's the one who killed Batman's parents as you said in the video.
    At the end when he walks out with bloody feet implements the crime he has committed but he celebrates it through dancing and no regrets, powerfull sunlight is projected on author, depicting he had finally found joy and a reason to smile for real after what he did to Gotham who always put him down.
    Now all this might be completely wrong, but the movie is open to interpretation, and that's what I want to believe in until any official explanation is out from the creators.

    • @TheNiggler17
      @TheNiggler17 Před 4 lety +1

      How could the scene of him dancing on the car be in his head when he’s dead?

    • @KushalKshatri
      @KushalKshatri Před 4 lety +1

      @@TheNiggler17 it could be in the moment before he dies

    • @OmkaraHellcore
      @OmkaraHellcore Před 4 lety +2

      Bruh. To each their own, but the joker, the iconic eternal batman villain isnt dying in his own origin story.
      What are you smoking and where can I get some?

    • @yashsalve7702
      @yashsalve7702 Před 4 lety +5

      @@OmkaraHellcore by the time Bruce becomes batman, this joker would be in his 60s. So in that sense, this is not the joker who fights batman, but he's ideology sticks with Gotham from which the joker we know arises. When you talk about origin, joker has no official origin and that's what he is famous for. The movie never comments or markets itself as an origin story, it's actually just a character study in an unknown territory. And again as I mentioned, the movie is open to interpretation, you may not agree with all the theories.

    • @Nightpacer
      @Nightpacer Před 4 lety +1

      Nah Joaquin Phoenix has already said he's open to doing sequels so Arthur isn't dead

  • @momofifa
    @momofifa Před 4 lety +28

    Theory: Many of the events that took place in this movie were just in Arthurs head but the last scene wasn't and here's why..
    We all know how Bruces parents (Martha and Thomas) died. Shot and killed in an alley in front of their sons own eyes.
    Now it is entirely possible that Arthur would fantasize about their murder.. but if that was the case, there is no way he would fantasize about it this accurately. The alley, the gun, Bruce watching it all happen... it's just too accurate for a fantasy. Todd Phillips purposely used this well known scene to give us a hint that this entire 'Joker praising' scene actually took place. It was his way of telling us that this is real.. Arthur is not fantasizing anymore. He even went so far as to include the 'pearl necklace'.

    • @Trezzpops
      @Trezzpops Před 4 lety +4

      I saw in another video that Todd Phillips also noted that the laugh he gives during this final scene, is the only "genuine" laugh Arthur gives during the whole film.

    • @Adrian101882
      @Adrian101882 Před 4 lety +3

      Trezzpops did he specify that it’s the scene with the psychologist at the end? I’m under the impression that his one genuine laugh is right after he blows Murray’s brains out, as the final laugh sounds almost the same as the laugh we hear when we first see him with the counselor in the dark office, but the laugh after the gunshot sounds distinctively different and sincere, not pathological like ...”the rest of them”

    • @Trezzpops
      @Trezzpops Před 4 lety

      @@Adrian101882 Yea, specified the final scene. I was also a bit confused by that, as I felt he had a couple of genuine laughs while watching his TV program. But then - were those imagined :O

    • @user-fe8gx3ie5v
      @user-fe8gx3ie5v Před 2 lety

      son's* But no, he didn't kill them.

  • @deanpirie4117
    @deanpirie4117 Před 4 lety +28

    Was looking for a Joker themed video, then this pops up. What's going on here? Mr Scumbag reading my mind?!?!

  • @jakeBryanGuthrie00
    @jakeBryanGuthrie00 Před 4 lety +3

    How do you not like this movie, it’s cinematically beautiful

    • @bigcoffinhunter5500
      @bigcoffinhunter5500 Před 4 lety

      Agreed. The only thing I did not like about the film is that the Wayne Murder is connected to the Riot; awesome detail but unneeded.

    • @mtlewis973
      @mtlewis973 Před 4 lety

      it looks great but it’s a mess that makes this incel look like a real cool dude

    • @mrsicetruckkiller150
      @mrsicetruckkiller150 Před 4 lety +1

      mtlewis973 Oh wow, you can't be that stupid and shallow! You have just repeated the leftist media propaganda word for word, don't you have your own opinion? This movie doesen't portray him as cool in any way, it is a story of disaster. This shallow propaganda started before the movie was even out and the audience has understood that movie is so much more. It makes me sad how unintelligent you are, you literally understood nothing from this movie. You are a dream consumer for brainwashing media.
      And stop with the incel thing, i know a guy who is almost insane as joker is and he had tons of girls. Mastermind psychopaths usually do but since your knowlege in psychology is non existent you woulden't know that.

    • @mtlewis973
      @mtlewis973 Před 4 lety

      Mrs Ice truck killer i watched the movie, i thought it should have been a horror film like you maybe saw, but then it had him walking away from a riot smoking a cigarette in slow motion. which is coding him as pretty cool. if you watched this and thought he was a “mastermind” then we had very different experiences. thank you for all the personal insults though, very normal response!

  • @p.d.l7023
    @p.d.l7023 Před 4 lety +16

    If you pay very close attention: 'Joker' takes place Autumn of 1981.

    • @mrsilikeeggs
      @mrsilikeeggs Před 4 lety +1

      On the radio at the very beginning it says that it's mid October, and on the theatre sign right at the end it says that Zorro the Gay Blade is showing, which is how we get the timeline.

  • @caseytodd7632
    @caseytodd7632 Před 4 lety +4

    I think...it was all a dream. I used to read Word Up magazine.

  • @philipstracke8753
    @philipstracke8753 Před 4 lety +6

    Why can’t any movies now a days not end up going into a universe

  • @TheRed86
    @TheRed86 Před 4 lety +29

    When Arthur said “All I have is negative thoughts “
    Maybe everything happens is just his thoughts when he’s not in medication.

  • @neXuzlv
    @neXuzlv Před 4 lety +2

    I think part of the reason why people (myself included) want this Joker to be connected to the other DCEU movies (Justice League, Suicide Squad, Shazam, Pattinson's Batman, etc) is because the DCEU isn't living up to its full potential right now. By connecting Joker to the existing movies, we hope that greatness would rub off on everything else.
    Simply put, Joker gave us a glimpse of what all of it could be. Not movies and a cinematic universe that tries to imitate Marvel's success, but movies that bring something new, refreshing, and unique to the table. Movies that not only go head-to-head with the MCU, but even surpass it and rise above in terms of interest and attendance. And if that happens, Marvel will step their game as well, so all of us superhero movie fans will be winners in the end.
    That being said, among the theories I've seen online my favorite is probably that Jared Leto's Joker is actually an insane Robin (Jason Todd), broken by Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. Might be a little too simple and obvious, but the age differences would make sense. Then again, Joker could probably work better as the first building-block for a DC Black Label universe. With Robert Pattinson's Batman being the next logical step.

  • @simonnaylor3536
    @simonnaylor3536 Před 4 lety +4

    This film was Jack Napier’s induced dream while he was on meds after being shot and falling into the vat of toxic chemicals.

  • @poweroffriendship2.0
    @poweroffriendship2.0 Před 4 lety +35

    _"This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."_
    *~ The Joker*

  • @alexanderchippel
    @alexanderchippel Před 4 lety +3

    Arthur being on Murray's show the first time wasn't a delusion. It was a seems/fantasy. Just because you imagine somthing doesn't mean you're delusional.

  • @BonJoviBeatlesLedZep
    @BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Před 4 lety +3

    I like the idea that the guy who drove the ambulance into the cop car at the end is the REAL Joker.
    Also this movie might cross a billion. I don't think this is the last we'll hear of this Joker.

  • @cinemageek3830
    @cinemageek3830 Před 4 lety +5

    I have a really stupid theory that this film takes place in a universe where Batman is fictional and Arthur Fleck is a schizophrenic Batman fan who starts to believe that he is living in a pre-Batman Gotham city and that he is the Joker. So basically none of the Batman connections in the film are real.

    • @AmarHujan
      @AmarHujan Před 4 lety +2

      I like this theory

    • @StopReadingMyNameOrElse
      @StopReadingMyNameOrElse Před 4 lety +1

      You're right, it is stupid.
      None of the stuff with Bruce would make any sense if it was in his head. And it would defeat the purpose of both characters. Its literally called the Joker.

  • @William-the-Guy
    @William-the-Guy Před 2 lety +1

    When I watched this movie, I started to think Joker probably thinks Batman is just another weird hallucinations. Think about it. You know you (the Joker) already suffer from hallucinations to the point where your entire relationship with a woman never happened, then a guy dressed as a Bat becomes obsessed with fighting you, but always lets you live and get away. Wouldn't you assume that was a hallucination too?
    I think you could tell a very interesting story where the Joker thinks Batman isn't real, and we the audience are actually unsure too.

  • @matthewkeisoglu2976
    @matthewkeisoglu2976 Před 4 lety +5

    jesus christ every time that james says "BUT" and an image of an arse shows up i lose it. every time. every time.

    • @zertabi4545
      @zertabi4545 Před 4 lety

      Sometimes I'll be talking to someone and I'll say "but..." and instantly think of the Thanos butt and instantly say "Butt..."

  •  Před 4 lety +2

    Just wait for the female version of Joker. You know its coming. And you know movie critics will LOVE it.

    • @LoganBluth
      @LoganBluth Před 4 lety

      There's already a female Joker, Bruce's mum in Flashpoint. I actually really wish BvS and JL had been better films so there would be a possibility of getting a live action Flashpoint with Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Thomas Wayne Batman and Lauren Cohan as Martha Wayne Joker. They would have both been awesome!

  • @MisterSouji
    @MisterSouji Před 4 lety +23

    I feel like the asylum scene at the end of the movie was actually before the movie, which the social worker referenced. He may have had violent acts in the past (which is why hes not allowed a gun). The actual end has him loose in the city

    • @Goodheartless
      @Goodheartless Před 4 lety +9

      MaxSonic but didn’t he murder her? Why would he be let out then?

    • @Arcin00
      @Arcin00 Před 4 lety

      He had been in an insane asylum and like don’t you have to buy the gun yourself

    • @MisterSouji
      @MisterSouji Před 4 lety +1

      I'm saying he had commited some form of violent act before, was deemed insane and put in the asylum. And maybe he did or didnt kill the lady.

    • @Goodheartless
      @Goodheartless Před 4 lety +2

      MaxSonic I just don’t see enough evidence to that, but hey that the point of this movie. Your thoughts are different than mine

    • @MisterSouji
      @MisterSouji Před 4 lety

      I mean I didnt really read too much into it. That was just my first impression when I saw the movie.

  • @nevbezaire
    @nevbezaire Před 3 lety

    The way it cuts from the theatre bathroom scene to arthur's home and he's in the same position makes me think he imagined going into the theatre

  • @hazzer30
    @hazzer30 Před 4 lety +5

    I loved this movie and that’s why I don’t want them to make a sequel

  • @jnnnd1
    @jnnnd1 Před 4 lety

    Throughout the whole movie you have switching between Arthur & Joker. You can tell that not only when Arthur is masked but also when he is without mask with slicked back hair such as in that scene with social worker when he's says "All I have are negative thoughts”,that was actually Joker even we thought it's Arthur. Arthur has completely different hair style. Also, you will notice different handwriting in his notebook. One is written by Arthur, other by Joker. Connect all that with Camera test teaser when Arthur stand still while Joker constantly appears over him and you'll get one weird, creepy, twisted movie which is even deeper then we all thought. Masterpiece!

  • @samharris2114
    @samharris2114 Před 4 lety +30

    The dwarf is just a figment of Arthur’s imagination

    • @RespectProcess
      @RespectProcess Před 4 lety +8

      no but hes also a handicapped person which is why he allows him to live

    • @tylernajera1318
      @tylernajera1318 Před 4 lety +5

      @@RespectProcess and because he was nice to him

    • @RespectProcess
      @RespectProcess Před 4 lety +2

      @@tylernajera1318 right but i think the idea was that arthur is also supposed to be handicapped but in a different way

    • @euanjackson811
      @euanjackson811 Před 4 lety

      Good idea Cus the dwarf never opened the door Arthur had too.

    • @RespectProcess
      @RespectProcess Před 4 lety

      @surfitlive no it was about being a mental midget

  • @forealz3255
    @forealz3255 Před 4 lety +1

    My buddy thinks Joker had the gun prior to the film's start and that the guy giving it to him was fake, and him saying that Arthur trying to buy a 38 off him was true, since the guy act like he doesnt know what Arthur is talking about when Arthur says it was his gun

  • @camerontimms
    @camerontimms Před 4 lety +7

    when arthur fantasized about going on murrays show nobody reacted to him in any weird way like real people do in the movie, but when he shoots murray the crowd screams and runs away

  • @gabrielleelizabeth465
    @gabrielleelizabeth465 Před 4 lety +1

    One of the earliest lines in the movie was Arthur talking about how he had recently been in the Asylum. He then goes it mandated counseling where she doesn’t listen to him in an unnatural way, he’s projecting this within his own mind because he believes no one listens to him in the real world so even in his own mind no one listens to him. Not to mention the counselor in the asylum looks incredibly similar if not supposedly the same women. The way we imagine is built around the real work we experience and people we meet make guests appearances in our mind especially when we don’t have control such as when we’re sleeping which it can definitely be argued that Arthur has no control over his mind. Also, at this point in the movie his dyed hair is no longer green but is the same rather long length that it was before. Hair doesn’t grow out fast enough for his hair to no longer be green unless he’s been in there for a very long time but he does not appear to be that much older. Another reason this was all in his head while at the asylum is that during the revolution clown masks worn by the crowd are of his very specific clown makeup, however when you look at the news papers it doesn’t show his look. The only way this many people would have his designated style would be if he had imagined it. Not only that but they were the same mass produced mask, the movie doesn’t take place over that long of a time span so for these to have been made and sold would be highly unlikely and probably banned by Gotham police once the violence started. He has an ego centric imagination which explains these tendencies, however, after years of being bullied and made to feel worthless he’s imagination also suffers from his low self esteem which is why even his own mind can’t except the fantasy of being with Sophie. He even imagines killing himself in his own imagination, that’s not something someone who views them self’s as a hero would think. He even says that he’s thinking of a Joke when asked what’s so funny in the final scene. His imagination ends with him being cheered on by his rally of evil doers but he thinks it’s a joke that he could ever hold that level of status. He’s in a constant battle with himself because he can’t even escape his own mind. He wants to be good, you can see that in the way he treats him mother and showing mercy to his friend from the clown for hire company, but he can’t win in his own head. For everything good he does there is always a negative reciprocal. If you want to get even more specific he has to climb all those stairs home everyday. The stairs symbolize his inner struggle. He’s the only one we ever see take them other thank the cops but they run down them, not up them. I’ve only seen this once so don’t quote me on this but do we ever actually see him step off the stairs onto the final landing because I don’t think we do and that proves he isn’t ready to over come his struggles. His imagines himself as the son of a wealth, well to do man but again his own imagination stops him. He even imagines killing his mother who is seemingly the only person he has in the world, he doesn’t think he deserves anyone. Just another quick couple examples of how we know none of this happened, in the mental asylum he takes the elevator with a thrashing prisoner and the guards say nothing to him, this would never happen. In the same scene he is read confidential files about his mother and it’s not until the man opens the file and begins to read out loud that he finds out he’s her son so he never offered any identification to get these which means the man just started reading these files without any reason to do so, also would not happen. Before the man stops reading he only says information that Arthur would already know, that he’s adopted, that he was beaten, and so on, it’s only after he steals the file that her life story gets out of hand, it’s almost like the crazy part of his brain is stealing from his sane side and making edits to further destroy his self identity. The mind doesn’t truly under reality in an uncontrolled state. Just think about how crazy your dreams are once your awake, the difference is this is always his mental state and that’s why the whole movie reads as unnatural.

  • @danielstocks9088
    @danielstocks9088 Před 4 lety +10

    Maybe we're all the joker ?

  • @Purpleyoshisinthesky
    @Purpleyoshisinthesky Před 4 lety +1

    I’ve always hated the idea that there was a joker before joker, that joker took inspiration from someone else. I feel like joker wouldn’t want to be a knock off of someone else

  • @ing4gi
    @ing4gi Před 4 lety +3

    I hope the Pattinson movie will give little hints of the Joker being out there. Year one-esque style

  • @vibranttrash4036
    @vibranttrash4036 Před 4 lety +2

    I just instinctively like your videos before I’ve even watched them now.

  • @SherrBear867
    @SherrBear867 Před 4 lety +18

    so he imagined him imagining that he has a girlfriend? and imagined him imagining being on a tv show? that makes no sense. i’m pretty sure some of it is real and some of it isn’t. that’s it. why are people over complicating this

    • @vapoet
      @vapoet Před 4 lety +6

      It's because the questioning of reality is central to the entire Joker mystique. In comics he mentions how he prefers his history to be multiple choice. I think that a good argument can be made that the escalating of the riots perfectly conforms to the anarchy building in himself. As for delusions in delusions... Have you ever had a dream where you are confronted by something and your brain suddenly creates a memory or thought to put it in context or to make your mind justify it? The mind will create or destroy what it needs to keep the dream narrative going. So yes, delusions in delusions inside a dreamworld are possible.

    • @SherrBear867
      @SherrBear867 Před 4 lety +1

      CrazyJimmi9 you’re a nerd

    • @johnreillypospos655
      @johnreillypospos655 Před 4 lety +1

      to the audience yes it will seem like the incosistencies will look like the coherent ones are real and the obvious fake ones are imagined but to him as the one costructing the story both are imagined, just one is more polished and the other is not. this is what usually happens when you do world building inside your head.

  • @Whole_lotta_do
    @Whole_lotta_do Před 4 lety

    This movie is just a visual representation of a story that the Joker is telling his therapist in Arkham explaining the apparent events that lead up to the MurRAY incident, the joker is painting himself as a defenceless, mentally ill man to manipulate the therapist into feeling sorry for him, I think he is laughing at the fact that he imagined he killed Bruce’s parents, “whose the orphan now” is a phrase I can best describe how he’s thinking. Therapist (and us) let our guard down and he is able to escape, be it for a laugh or to genuinely escape, that’s what I took home after seeing it 3 times

  • @Pongus_420
    @Pongus_420 Před 4 lety +11

    My favorite theory is that at the end of the film, Joker is shown in Arkham State Hospital (I assume) and is laughing about a joke the therapist "wouldn't get" and thinks of the murder of the Waynes. I like to think that at this point, the movie flashes years into the future, and he has been apprehended by Batman, and is laughing at how he is responsible for what Bruce became. I like to think that the rest of the movie could be considered a "flashback" and depicts Arthur the same age he is at the end, since this is all his telling of it. Admittedly the theory definitely has holes, for example Joker would have to know this Batman's identity, but the age difference detail I mentioned allows for Arthur to be Thomas's kid, if you want him to be. So that's my theory 🤷‍♂️

  • @danielledoyle32
    @danielledoyle32 Před 4 lety

    I saw the title and was expecting an annoying top 5 count down. Pleasantly surprised. This feels like a nice conversation between friends

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache Před 4 lety +19

    What if Joaquin Phoenix wasn't acting like the Joker, but simply acting like himself the whole time?

    • @baliocelot2537
      @baliocelot2537 Před 4 lety +1

      Just Some Guy without a Mustache You’re an idiot.

    • @mikediamond1234
      @mikediamond1234 Před 4 lety

      Maybe

    • @CaugheyMachine
      @CaugheyMachine Před 4 lety +1

      What if Joker (2019) all takes place inside a dream Cesar Romero's moustache is having?

  • @manuelmacias6093
    @manuelmacias6093 Před 4 lety

    I could just listen to you guys for hours talking about anything

  • @bartistclord1916
    @bartistclord1916 Před 4 lety +3

    people still ask Sandra Bullock about the 3 sea shells.

  • @Ningnomaningnong
    @Ningnomaningnong Před 4 lety +1

    I love the theory that he was recalling his memories to the shrink in the white cell. But the time line in 'real' time Batman is older and they are already enemies.

  • @billygoods22
    @billygoods22 Před 4 lety +3

    I can't wait for H8 Mail: Joker version

  • @nivekgaming557
    @nivekgaming557 Před 4 lety +1

    My theory behind Arthur Flecks origin story for the movie ties in with some biblical stories.
    Throughout the first half of the movie, Arthur was constantly shown walking up the flight of stairs, and sense throughout the first half of the movie, Arthur tried his best to stay sane, maybe even hoping someone would just show him some appreciation and love.
    In theory with biblical terms, Arthur would be walking up Jacob's Ladder, trying to overcome his problems, and in search of what is called Heaven.
    The ladder would be a representation of Heaven and Earth/Hell. During the second half of the movie, Arthur would be shown walking down the flight of stairs, ascending into earth, and eventually accepting gotham for what it is.
    In Genesis, Jacob encounters an "angel" or god that he wrestles with until sunrise, is renamed Israel, and then blessed. The day Jacob murdered his mother, was the day that the Joker was born, ( the day that Jacob and the angel wrestled ), Arthur had gotten rid of anything that had hurt him in the past, which included mainly individuals ( wrestling with the angel until sunrise on his journey back to Caanan ), Murray Franklin then named Arthur, "JOKER" and thus the Joker was finally born, JOKER ascending down the flight of stairs, dancing down the flight of stairs and embracing Gotham's hell.
    The angel may have been portrayed as many things throughout the movie, but towards the end of the movie Arthur was renamed the Joker, blessed by the protesters, and all of it was done before daybreak too, just like how Jacob's ladder is portrayed, Jacob's wrestle against the angel, and being renamed Israel on his journey back to Caanan.

  • @marteng1941
    @marteng1941 Před 4 lety +3

    One piece of "evidence" that people (and by people I mean you guys and like two other youtubers) seem to have missed, is that after the whole reveal that Penny Fleck was in Arkham and the adoptions papers and all, after the scene where Penny claims Thomas Wayne made up the adoption story (which of course she's not a very credible witness), after all that: there's a scene where Arthur finds a photograph of young Penny and on the back it says something like "You're beautiful, I love you, whatever /T.W.". So when I watched the movie I thought that was the last nudge from Todd Phillips saying: Arthur IS Thomas' son, Thomas made up the adoption stuff. Bruce and Arthur are brothers. And that's why Arthur thinks about Bruce becoming an orphan because of the riot, is a funny joke that the therapist-lady wouldn't get. Anyone else remember that photo and the TW-initials?

    • @GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli
      @GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli Před 4 lety +1

      @Phillip Mullis They're literally just chilling dropping witty one liners while they explore reddit theories. Chill lmao

  • @DenDen04
    @DenDen04 Před 4 lety

    I like to think that the Joker is a title and persona used by multiple people. It also gives the line, "Maybe it's the Gotham City in me, we just have a bad history with freaks dressed like clowns." more gravity in BvS.

  • @pepsoflexo
    @pepsoflexo Před 4 lety +23

    The Joker is actually one Michael Joseph Jackson

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Před 4 lety

      What is this joke?

    • @johnvalenzuela6782
      @johnvalenzuela6782 Před 4 lety +3

      @@mikespearwood3914 its because michael jackason approached todd phillips to play the joker and phillips shot him in the face thus giving us the performance by joaquin phoenix

    • @bryantmcknight4880
      @bryantmcknight4880 Před 4 lety

      NOT BLANKET!!

  • @FlezzDurjis
    @FlezzDurjis Před 4 lety +1

    His Dancing Is GREAT!

  • @MrVNM1
    @MrVNM1 Před 4 lety +3

    Telltales Batman 🤷🏿‍♂️ that's the vibe I got of this version of Thomas Wayne...

  • @pizzaman1891
    @pizzaman1891 Před 4 lety +1

    The only theory that makes cents and I kind of like, is that by the end of the movie joker is in Arkham and the whole movie was him looking back at his life as his current self. The only reason I like this is because it explains why the joker looks so old when he's suppose to look 30 he's really like 50.

  • @Warphorn
    @Warphorn Před 4 lety +4

    Joker... more like Smoker!

  • @whatif718
    @whatif718 Před 4 lety +1

    After Thomas Wayne punched him and Arthur was leaning forward, it cuts to Arthur in the same position in his apartment. That whole scene with Thomas was an illusion. HOW did he manage to sneak into that place. How did he manage to get the uniform. I think when he gets into the fridge that’s him getting into a cab to go home in his illusion.

    • @Powerman293
      @Powerman293 Před 4 lety

      Oh my god. That perfectly explains the fridge scene for me.

  • @chuchojuarez95
    @chuchojuarez95 Před 4 lety +3

    But where does dr Manhattan come in?

  • @rmannayr2129
    @rmannayr2129 Před 4 lety +2

    Plot Twist: Joker is Mr. Sunday Movies!

  • @shakxy2681
    @shakxy2681 Před 4 lety +10

    “Smile and put on a happy face”
    -Everyone 2019

  • @AlexWaardenburg
    @AlexWaardenburg Před 4 lety +2

    At one point you said "Batman Eventually" and I thought it was one of movies from the Nolan trilogy.

  • @chuckorgan74
    @chuckorgan74 Před 4 lety +3

    My theory is that guy in the wig was Bruce Willis. THE WHOLE TIME

  • @jakeswainson1244
    @jakeswainson1244 Před 4 lety

    Anyone else notice how after he kills the guy who gives him the gun there's a scene of him with a smudged eye makeup which then cuts to him in the dressing room with perfect makeup except his nose isn't painted at all. The moment Murray comes in suddenly his nose is entirely red and the smudge on his eye is gone yet at the end of the movie when he's being taken away by the police his eye smudge is identical to how it was before the show. Am unsure which reality is real the smudged one or the perfect makeup one

  • @nerdwarp112
    @nerdwarp112 Před 4 lety +3

    I really don’t like the idea of the whole movie being in Joker’s head. There’s definitely some scenes I could definitely see as being in his head, but I think the idea of a majority of the movie’s events not happening is a lot less interesting than them actually happening.

    • @iwonttellmynametoamachine5422
      @iwonttellmynametoamachine5422 Před 4 lety

      I didn't like that the Joker even got a name. He's not allowed to have one or even an origin story. So I think leaving it all open is one of the best compromises. In my head he still hasn't an origin story.

  • @Mohamadtheman
    @Mohamadtheman Před 2 lety +1

    the editing is so great lol

  • @josephcerniglia7653
    @josephcerniglia7653 Před 4 lety +12

    Theory: joker didn’t kill those 3 men on the train someone else did that someone else did but he thinks he did it.

    • @adrian72300
      @adrian72300 Před 4 lety +2

      The gun was such a focal point in the end I believe he really did that, he killed those other people too, don't let that sadistic maniac fool you...he is the real JOKER

  • @brianandrobbie8387
    @brianandrobbie8387 Před 4 lety

    Just watched finally, and because who i am assuming is Alfred told Arthur "She was a sick woman.", in reference to Arthurs mother, in the past tense, the literal scene before she has a stroke. Thomas Wayne had Arthurs mom killed and Alfred knew about it.

  • @blakechandler167
    @blakechandler167 Před 4 lety +6

    I don’t understand people’s dislike for this movie. It was really good.

    • @H4WKB13
      @H4WKB13 Před 4 lety

      @Suffer No Fools Funny thing is that it made people feel uncomfortable because it was so good.

  • @jaredfrost3548
    @jaredfrost3548 Před 4 lety +2

    You can't judge the cleverness of this new Joker yet. He was just beginning to get his courage at the end of the film. Now that he's unrestrained he might learn how to break the rules better.

    • @LoganBluth
      @LoganBluth Před 4 lety

      I don't think confidence makes you smarter or dumber. I'm sure it can give you more faith in your own ideas and cause a higher chance of success, but since this movie is presented entirely from Arthur's POV and all we see is him making bad to terrible strategic decisions without any hint that he considered better ones first, I think he's pretty set as an average to below average intelligence Joker.