Sawdust to silence a whining diff - will it work?
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My dad used to tell me about banana peels being used. He was a mechanic for 57 years
I heard the same
Wow really. Lol i love old mechanics they always have something up the sleeve.
My dad told me about that as well. Would be cool if they try it out
++ used that in my jeep but just few weeks then sound came back again
I bought a fiat cinquecento that had banna in gear box put in prob to sell it
You should make a Clear Thermostat Housing, I'm curious to see how often it opens and closes, to maintain temp on a cold day.
YES! Ive always wanted to see this!
Just get an thermostat and put it on boiling water.
@@kinsmart7294 Well yea I can see it move, but I'm curious how it functions during normal use on a -40 degree day. Does it only open partially? Or does it open and close over and over and over etc.
Amazing!
thermostat? whats that? lol jk
Sawdust In the gearbox used to be a common bodge, I think I just made the synchromesh work better in a worn gearbox, but only long enough to sell it lol
I heard stuffing some banana in there will also do the same thing, make it last long enough to sell it
Just as Matilda's father does his job.
Pushing a pair of nylon tights in was supposed to be another bodge along these lines. They may have worked well enough to quieten it down so it could be sold.
The whine you are referring to comes from the pinion depth as related to the ring gear. It happens on vehicles that have a damaged crush collar or a myriad of other problems in the diff assembly. This is only a basic explanation, as many other factors can also cause the typical whine on decel vs accel . Using bad ground up gears won't get you the result your looking for. Still great video guys.
My thoughts as well.
This is pretty much what I was thinking, their diff is too far gone for this to work.
A worn pinion bearing will make a whine at speed too.
Could have better results if they have set the backlash on the pinion first,probably
It was a good video nonetheless!
Vlad, your expression when you let of the throttle is hilarious 😂🤣
And his Lada four point racing harness.
Admittedly I took lead foil and ran it through a coffee grinder and packed the differential of my own ural motorcycle combined with grease to quiet it down for a few hundred kilometers to get where I needed. It worked like magic. I’ve heard of transmissions and differentials packed with sawdust. I did not know the lead trick was common. I thought I was clever at the time.
Yeah lets put saw dust or powdered lead in a transmission. U do realize a manual is a gearbox? Go head n dump stupid shit in a automatic n see what happens.
@@shawnsatterlee6035 no shit
cool story bro
you might have been clever at the time but you won't be clever anymore after all that lead coffee
An old trick usually for automatic transmissions back in the 60's beforw selling the car. Unsuspecting buyers falls for the smooth running tranny for a few days before it breaks down
Lol worked for matildas dad
@@Vinlaell Im thinkin more like Barney Fyffe
Lol yeah, never heard it as a "life hack," only as this way to screw people.
Thankfully it's pretty easy to drain the oil with sawdust inside and prove that it was a deliberate attempt to screw over the new owner in front of the court.
@@DarkLinkAD Mises Leish and her dearly departed husband Bernard's car?
Do “will it blend” videos with the clear diff cover. Shove random stuff in there to see if it grinds it all up. Lol
I test drivetrain components for a living, I can tell you for a fact that a diff will chew up anything and everything including itself when given enough torque.
@@forrestcarroll9350 They have an appetite for stray digits.
@@forrestcarroll9350 true. My pinion bearing went and one of the bearings came out along with part of the retainer... Sounded like a shotgun went off. No evidence of the pieces when I got home.ground up.
When rebuilding, I tried to use denim doubled over a few times to jam the gears while tightening the pinion nut... Yeah.. It grounded that up in a hurry.
I really wish I could see the oil with lead after the test. too see how the pieces of lead look alike
Same here, but I also wanted them to pop the diff out so we could see if the lead had started to coat the gears, or if it had just mulched down to thicken the oil?
Matilda's dad would be proud of this experiment!
😂😂😂 I do rem that,though he added it to the engine if I remember correctly
I think this story goes back to the days before they were using hypoid gears in differentials. Like when diffs still used straight cut gears.
Heavier trucks and buses often use diff gears with less angle meaning that they have some kind of audible humming but no grinding like the shot diff.
I can confirm that the banana and it's peel worked in my case. In 1970 I worked for a small construction company (3 workers plus owner). We had an early 60s Chevy pickup with a bad whine. The boss had me drain the rear end and add the peel of a one banana. Then mash up banana with a fork in the drained oil and use it to refill the diff. He had me use the truck for 2 days it went completely quiet. Then he sold it. He told me this would only work for a couple hundred miles. He said after that the oil/banana mix would turn into something that looked like black Jell-O sticking to the inside rear end housing and rear end was trashed.
The secret recipe is to add finely ground hot paprika, the Hungarian style. Also some Csabai sausages, roughly cut to pieces small enough just to fit through the hole. I would say about 0,7kg of paprika powder and 0,5 kg of Csabai sausages for that Lada differential. Also, no oil, but rather lard. About 1,3 kg should do the trick.
i couldn't read this without laughing
tastieee
Hi Erik, I'll be in Hungary next week for a family trip in the region. I haven't been there since 1990 when the road was full of Trabants! How is driving there these days? Are the cops tricky and nasty or can you go as fast as you find safe like in Poland and Germany?
@@danbergthold3481 I'm Hungarian. No more Trabants, sadly. Cops and cameras are well documented on Waze, with traffic coming from the other way alerting you if they saw any. Still, driving fast is discouraged by the road quality, which is absolutely dogshit. Do not rely on signage to navigate, they're bad.
@@davidtoth8975 Koszonom, David! (Sorry, I don't now how to get all those cool accents in there!). This is very helpful information. I know that much has changed since I was there and this is much appreciated intel. Back when I was there, almost nobody even had a telephone! I can't wait to get back the fabulous Hungarian food and wine!
I was really hoping to see the diff. taken apart to see where the lead ended up.... too bad there was no transparant cover; maybe could have seen what happened right after start up. Great video still.
saw dust is much safer then powdered lead which could cause lead poisoning if it leaked out and got into a person no one's ever gotten saw dust poisoning🤣
CV joint grease as top up instead of the oil does work with the beginnings of the whine. Did that and after 100 000 km the noise was still gone from the gearbox.
That’s what I was literally just thinking‘cause the sawdust only job is to thicken up the oil so I was thinking about packing it with like bearing grease or something like that
When they showed the undercarriage I was 100% expecting it to explode on the street. I was riding with one of my uncle's on the way to the scrap yard with about a 5000~ pound load of scrap metal, and literally a few hundred yards from the weighing scales just inside the yard. The differential exploded going around a bend just before the straight away to the yard. Then not even a month of being repaired, the transmission completely gave out at. You guessed it, the scrap yard. Where a big semi rig pulled him out of the way on the side of the road
At least the truck was already close to where it was gonna end up heh
Great episode
Thank you for providing the high quality content like always. Vlad and his cohorts are top notch especially in these contested times.
Fantastic job as always 👍👍👍👍👍
Yo should try that Xado stuff. Used one in my transmission when it was whining and it did absolutely nothing. Would be interesting to see an in depth, unbiased review of their products.
I had a noisy 4.11 gearset in a Ford 9 inch and heard about the banana peel trick. So, I ground up a banana peel and stuffed it into the fill hole. After about 50 miles, the whine was gone! Now, I forget about doing this as years passed and destroyed it at the track. When I dropped the 3rd member, the smell was HORRIBLE as I was draining liquified rotten banana juice.
Lead shot pellets are not pure lead, tin or antimony is added to harden them. Considerably harder than pure lead.
When I was very young, back in the early '60s', we could not afford major repairs to our cars. I remember old timers saying that they added 'oatmeal' to a rear end to quiet it down. And sometimes to a standard transmission to make it shift smoother. thanks for your many fasinating videos.
Try the egg in a leaking radiator
I’ve seen it work. I’ve personally prefer course black pepper.
I put eggs in radiator with a leak, scrapped the car 6 months later still had tge same water in it.
@@rogerfrancis65 when I did the black pepper it lasted for years on a 300k engine. I sold the car with the pepper still in there.
For me personally bacon seems to do the job.
@@White000Crow Cinnamon powder works wonders.
would have loved to see the lead oil mix after driving
Imma go with "grey"
Mythbusters - Garage 54 edition ^.^
I've heard of using sawdust, bananas, straight STP, or motor honey.
I've tried STP, had to insert it with a spoon to the diff lol. Noise was slightly reduced but not gone.
I've seen an African semitruck have its differential filled with bananas to help it since it was failing. It actually worked.
Love you guys. THe crazy shit is excellent.
Hope all goes well with current, dramas, send the best to all the crew from DOWN UNDER.
Wish WE could have so much fun!!
Thumbs up.
they are real life myth busters man they try things for the hell of it to see what happens
That look on his face around the 4:40 mark is hilarious! 🤣🤣
Paraffin is a great use for rear ends as there is nothing to stop up like a engine from the 70s from use of Castrol oil that had paraffin in it mabe even transmissions
You need to add a few bananas to the sawdust/gear oil mix. A bit of grease from the grease gun is a must. This works fairly well in getting things quiet.
Then sell the car.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 well said good sir
*Fifty year ago i used inside bicycle tyre tube cut in small pieces to reduce diff and transmission noise* worked well
The lead thing I've head about, but most guys called it 'white lead' which was actually lead oxide. It would help in lubricity, and it was a common racer's trick to get some additional performance over the pack of competition.
Ah, the pigment version. That's an interesting thought.
Or also a zinc additive or maybe some of that engine pellet stuff that you stick in for head gasket repair
Our bus sounds the same :)
I am so very happy and fortunate that during these times with Russia you guys are still uploading. This is one of my favorite channels on CZcams
They should use the transparent diff again for this experiment, it would have been awesome to see the lead shot through the transparent plexiglass.
yeah, and put a camera to watch it as it runs so we can watch it work in action
Maybe try a diff that's not quite so knackered 🤣🤣
in Indonesia its common to use thicker oil such as train oil or trsnsformer oil(electrical trafo)....banana....saw dust or even fill diff with chasis greas
I had a suuuuper rusty 300k mile truck with a terribly leaky power steering rack. It wouldn't hold fluid at all (it leaked out of the racks input shaft) I drove it around empty most of the time and muscled the wheel so I didn't have oil leaking all over my driveway... but before I traded it in (for scrap value, I just wanted to transfer the plates) I tried putting sawdust in the fluid to see if it would clog the leak. I put a few quarts of sawdust fluid in (3 tsp per qt of fine sawdust, and after it leaked enough out the leak slowed down dramatically! It went from emptying the res in 10 miles, to lasting a week! 😂
They should put these tips in the owner's manual.
GEE!!!!!!You outta bottle the stuff,,,,LOL
As always your video is interesting and entertaining, I have not watched one that I didn't enjoy. Compliments to you, your crew, video graphers and BMI for a job well done.
Drain the diff oil.Then pump the diff full of EP#2 grease.Then drive.
I had a friend who was a mechanic and we had a bad CV joint and did not want to spend money on the car so he put cow shit inside the CV joint to stop it groning when going around a corner it was a vauxhall cavalier or Opel Vectra brilliant video guys
😄😄
Cow shit lol... He was a confident dude lol
If you live in an urban, cow-free area, would canine, feline or hu-person feces suffice?
Try replacing a steering wheel with a tyre 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Speaking of powdered lead, you should try putting lead balls like from a shotgun shell into a hot cylinder. I’ve heard of an old ford straight 6 truck engine being used as a generator that had low compression that the owner put some product into the cylinders thru the plug holes and it was basically just small lead balls that you’d add after running the engine and then run it more
Use a product called Engine RESTORE. It's an oil additive that rebuilds full factory compression in the cylinder walls and whole combustion chamber. Project Farm and many other channels have reviews on it and it really works without harming the engine at all. And plus it's also a SUPER Lubricant. Works with all oils but I prefer to run it with race oil like royal purple or Amsoil. Just pour it in and you'll start seeing results at around 200 miles or so. It's been proven with before and after compression tests
You did the Salt Bae with the sawdust!!!! 😂😂😂You are my heroes ❤
I think the banana thing that other people suggested is true. Heard it before from several different mechanics. They said that the whole banana, green ones, are the best thing for it.
For power steering is the corn flour that makes it smooth
Power steering is so thin, just use 15w 40 instead of corn starch
Something potentially interesting to try:
Using a clutch disk as a brake rotor
Or using a brake rotor as a clutch disk
This was a trick that was used to cover diff problems on Fiat cars which were the same platform with Lada. They use to add sawdust to diff oil to keep it silent long enough until the car was sold.
I worked in a gas station in 1964 and I saw the mechanic empty out a rear end that had saw shavings in the rear end but it wasn't saw dust like you put in... Use shavings not dust. Old used car trick in the South East of the USA.
The lead shot to powder manufacturing line - the things our mad lads will do to make a video lol
I worked at a gas station in the 70's and put a zirk fitting on axle tube of a rear end and pumped it full of grease till it was leaking from the axle seals on each side. It was quiet for a while then bulged the cover and was squirting out a crack or split in the case. end of a 1960's ford falcon. Brakes didn't work very good and grease was all over under the car.
could hear the gears being machined down on deceleration haha
I remember this, this use to be a thing back in the 70’s and up to the 90’s where old car dealers put saw dust into the diff to make it sound good when it had problems to sell the cars faster. Because they are used and old cars they couldn’t get money back. I had this happen to me with a 90 Caprice. Bought it 2015 and after a while it died.
Barney Fifes car from Andy Griffith show had this wood shavings treatment.
Holy smokes, that thing was absolutely annihilated, lol. Besides the ring and pinion missing chunks, I have to believe that the bearings are all pretty much hammered poo at this point as well. I don't think anything short of the hand of God would make that thing quiet again. Well, maybe the Doctor's sonic screwdriver could too, but even that would have a hard time. Hahahaha.... But whatever, it was a fun watch anyway. As it always is from this crew.
Nah, as an American, I love what you guys at Garage54 do. You have the same internal questions I have in MY head. But you guys have the b@!!$ to actually do it. I love this channel, and Vlad and Surgae and the rest of the "Garage54 Gang" as I like to say
Maybe a can or two of restore which has powdered copper, silver, and lead in it along with a can of STP, or motor honey.
The dust should not be a dust...it should be something bit thicker...
Have look for it in the pet shops.
Than it will work... I know the story since my childhood and it real works.
More shavings than dust
You got pretty evil numbers of subscribers :). Good job as always!
The before and after video edits.
Gold 107%.
As long as it whines it's working when the whine stops then you have to start worrying
Instead of oil, fill it with mercury.
Very efficient way to sicken, kill, or injure anyone that dares to tailgate you or stand around the vehicle after a drive. Mercury vapor is terrifyingly deadly. Fields metal might be a better bet, but damn would that be expensive!
@@beez1598 See Codys lab, mercury dangers are overrated
You should try, Litium Grease Type 00, that thing being used on heavy machinery and electric wheelchair.
I love these guys
I think a coarser saw dust would work for a little while. Also, it would be interesting to see how long a hand full of sand would take to destroy the diff.
Valve grinding compound does wonders. ;-)
Saw dust in the diff is the dealership special lol
I would love to have a lada here in the US.
having known people who have tried it, usually when the diff bearings are worn, they say it works BUT the diff doesnt usually live long. a couple of hundred miles at best. usually done to make it quiet and sell the car.
A lot of the stuff that became popular with used car salesman worked for a heavily worn vehicle but not if it had other problems and needs new parts
"It seems to be quieter"
"[Applause]"
Look at that no shimming required
The trick is to fill up a worn tranny/diff with shreds of banana skins. The ling fibres are quite tough, and can fill out tolerances for a little while.
I heard that sawdust in an engine to stop big ends knocking, and a pair of tights in gearboxes or axles to stop whines and rattles.
Had the same issue couple weeks ago when I replaced my pinion seal
5:16 damn daniel !
I have with great succes "rebuilt"
a few old Ford Transit rearend's for many years ago with 1 banana little STP oil additive and a fistful of sawdust and cruise around the block and done 😎👍👍
Powdered lead would ideally work the same way as molybednium in the oil
The problem is with this diff is not a worn gearset as much as a bad small/rear pinion bearing. Under deceleration the pinion gear is drawn into the crown gear causing terrible noise. It would be better to test this with a diff with still in-tact bearings, but a noisy/worn ring and pinion. It would likely help with that (albeit temporarily) as it will thicken the oil. The typical gear wine at 45mph / 80km/h type, rather than one like this.
I have a suggestion for a build, make a Lada with 4 motorcycle engines each powering one wheel
Try adding sawdust to the transmission
Always heard you did that for an automatic trans.
Install compressed air tanks with release valves under it or on the sides to try and make it jump
I've heard of people using sawdust in the transmission and engine to quite or make it move when the clutches are worn out
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
Kind of wanted to see what the gears and sludge looked like from the lead. Oh well. I wonder if it were filled with mercury if that woukd do it. Not a "trick of the trade" thing but just to see if it woukd.
ewwww, i'd love to know, BUT liquid mercury is really, really toxic and if you spill any it is very difficult to decontaminate the room.
@@ralphm4132 I understand that. Powdered lead would be bad too but they were willing to do it. As long as they take precautions it would be cool to see in the clear cover.
Watch out Vlad, don't get your hair caught in the spinning drive shaft
Wellies work wonders too!
Vlad, great facial expressions during your initial test drive; you're looking a lot like Dr. Evil again!
Voiceover guy, you're doing such a great job! I love the low-affect, Kermit the frog delivery! I'm quite curious. Your accent is clearly North American but your word choice makes me think you might be Canadian vs. USA-American. Am I right? What's your story? Please spill the beans!
Stupid Idea #1:
How nice would it sound if you guys were to randomly saw off several of the meshing gears?
Fewer gears = less friction = less noise, right?
Something tells me I may have this wrong.
Stupid Idea #2:
My wife's Lexus is a very quiet car. Your research in this video has me thinking that maybe I could make her car even quieter if I filled the differential with sawdust. It's a low-mileage, 2021 model - still under warranty. Would you agree that this is a terrifically good idea?
Ya know cooking oil does really quieten a knocking crank. Just add it to the existing oil.
Thing is, once the cooking oil has 'fixed' the knock, it will come back if you 'Give It The Beans'...
What is the beans good sir
@@sultankuto8724
A heavy right foot.
😂😂😂thank you.
It’s still good for a another 100k lol 😂 Ladas have bulletproof engineering
I always thought that sawdust in the diff works better with thick grease an a wee bit of oil...no just oil
This is some "Myth Busters" type stuff! They even got the music right @ 7:00 .. lol
In India I've seen them put whole bananas, in truck rear ends, & transmissions, to stop noise, or a leak, or something.....
I heard the same thing years ago when I was a kid, use a banana to make it quiet long enough to sell it
God that was funny. That would have to be the worst sounding AND looking diff I think I've ever seen being put INTO a car. That noise. OMG there really was some carnage going on in that diff.
saw dusts and banana peels, no joke it works for a little while
Next video, see how long it takes the diff to blow up or seize with no oil in it
I remember an episode of The Andy Griffith Show where Barney Fife bought a worn out car from a little old lady who "only drove it to church on Sundays." One trick was to put sawdust in the rear end to quiet the noise for a few days, just long enough to sell it.
Steering wheel became a dancing Cobra
I’ve heard of a mixture of sawdust and grease used to silence clunky axle cv joints.
Giday guys, Brad from Australia. Historically here down under in Australia we stuff the diff with banana peels. I'd like to see you guys try that in your diff. Cheers!
Years ago I had similar problems with with a gear box so I replaced the oil with a thicker oil {EP140} major problem !!! I couldn't change gears when the oil was cold because the oil was like liquid grease instead of oil . Maybe you should have used thicker oil {EP 140 } or thicker . Cheers from Down Under in Australia
Use strips of cork that's how it was done in the 20s and thirtys. The cork strips could be fed through the fill hole until the noise stopped then you give a test drive to the customer then sell him the car and get the heck out of town before the rear end blew up. LOL
Build a ball mill and put steel ball shot about 2” in diameter in with the small lead balls and that will grind it to a powder.