Trying to Explain Synesthesia
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Pretty sure Connor was thinking synesthesia was psychological when it's neurological. I think synesthesia is when neurological circuits should be sending sensory info from point A to point B and nowhere else, but some stuff goes from point A to point C. Point A might be the ears and point B is the auditory cortex and point C is somewhere in the occipital lobe. Point C isn't designed to get info from point A, so info doesn't translate cleanly, so it might misunderstand an auditory signal for a visual signal. Hearing a middle C on a piano might trigger a signal that the visual cortex interprets as a splotch of green on the right side of the visual field. The different ways the sensory signals get mixed up slightly would all fall under synesthesia.
Ya, Synesthesia is solidly in the neurology realm. But to be fair to Conner there isn’t always a clear distinction between the what is neurological and what is psychological. For example, ADHD and Bipolar exist and are studied in both fields.
Easiest way to describe the concept of Synesthesia is that scene from Rattatouille when he eats food and see shapes and colors.
the question is does ppl with this imagine colors like when your imagining things but for them it came unintentioly , or they actually see only colors and their vision turn to colors which mean they can't see what they should be seeing ( exemple :he is in front of a tree but when he hear music he no longer see that tree cuz he is seeing just colors or at least the colors would obstract the vision partially ), or they keep seeing normally but everything will be colored with the that certain color ?
@@alaa341g They still see everything around them, they just imagine the specific colours in their mind
@@nikitasfantasies6658 but anyone can have that , i imagine stuff and relate things to other things but this is not a brain thing its just an imagination, but in their case its not , its like halucination
@@alaa341g Sure but for people with Synesthesia it comes automatically, without even thinking about it. Source: me
@@nikitasfantasies6658 ah i see, but are you knowledgable about this or just the source of : trust me bro xD , anyway its cool thing ,i can't stop getting facianted by how can the human be and how complex it is
So I have a type of synesthesia called auditory-tactile synesthesia. Basically, hearing things makes me feel stuff, specifically on my head and neck. Don't know why specifically my head and neck, but that's what it is for me.
Synesthesia works differently for everyone, but this is my personal experience. Every type of sound/timbre makes me feel a different sensation in a general area, but the pitch of it can either "heighten" or "dampen" the sensation, and move it around the area to a certain degree (usually a higher pitch means it's higher physically on my body). Most of the sensations seem to stem from my perception of how the sound is made. For example, a drum feels like a tap in my mouth (which can change depending on what type of drum it is: snare, bass, tom-tom etc.), but string instruments are felt around my cheekbones and feel like when you run your finger over a somewhat sticky surface and it "skips" over it (it's really weird and I don't know how to describe it).
Honestly, the sensations I feel aren't super intrusive or anything (most of the time I can just ignore them), but they become really pronounced when I play music. Playing piano feels like a bit like a mouse is running across my face (in a good way), and it's something I've been able to incorporate into my playing, weirdly enough. Also, listening to music feels like a fever dream sometimes. Listening to Jacob Collier with 50 invisible hands touching your upper body is an EXPERIENCE.
One thing it does affect is jumpscares. Whenever there's a scream or "sting" in the audio, I feel it, and honestly that scares me more than the actual jumpscare does sometimes.
It's cool, but it's SO WACK.
Is it bidirectional? Does a feeling also create sound?
@@flutterwind7686 Nah it isn’t
That's a real quandary. It's basically impossible to describe perceived qualia to other people. Even if those people have a mutual experience. The best you can kind of do is create an analog that is understood between two or more parties.
It's really freaky that we're all living in the same reality, but we're all also living in different realities(because of our senses and perceptions), and those are both true at the same time.
one of the more common types is number-color synesthesia. Every number 1-9 you "see" as a different color, so every 2 you see is blue, and every 5 you see is red. if you got a piece of A4 paper and printed the entire page of tiny tiny font 2's and throughout the page you just randomly distributed a couple 5's, for regular people it's almost impossible to quickly find them, but for someone with this type of synesthesia they would almost instantly be able to point them out because there would be obvious dots of red in a sea of blue.
There are all sorts of types of synesthesia and it really can be like a super power. If you do some research on it there are amazing examples, there's a twitch streamer pianist that comes to. mind but I forget her name. Many incredible musicians out there who have a synesthesia related to music and can instantly remember any song because it has a "texture" or "colors" or any number of different things.
There are people who remember every second of their life for the past 50 years and can instantly recall any point in their life, and there is some evidence to suggest their sense of time could be mixed with their sense of distance so the further back in time something is, that event is "further" from them, making is easier for them to recall that point because it isn't abstract to them, it's as obvious to them.
This applies to most synesthesiac's it's like trying to describe a color to a blind person, you literally can't really explain what synesthesia is to someone without your type. It's an evolution of our senses, an ntirwpy new sense in many ways
I have synesthesia in multiple ways, but the most prominent way is I can taste flavours or associate colours with certain tastes. Weirdest ones I have found are sriracha is purple and almond extract is BRIGHT pink. I CAN TASTE THE RAINBOW MOFO.
I'm also an artist so it makes things a little... weird sometimes? I always sketch in red just because it's a flavour I won't get sick of easily
I taste in colour too, and never realised until I told a housemate that something tasted “very, very green” because I couldn’t describe it any other way.
@@poultonpawtrol like a lettuce? Greens are a flavor descriptor too. I may be wrong but usually it’s the very unnatural things that people notice like the other comment saying sriracha makes them see pink
@@VeryButtery no not lettuce. I think it was an alcoholic beverage I was describing (not a green one either). Here are some examples of colours I “taste” mayonnaise is puke green, white bread is shiny silver, carrots are deep maroon, milk chocolate is light purple.
That's funny, I have synesthesia with what feels like everything except taste lol. Very interesting to hear that perspective
Certain psychedelics (lsd) can induce synesthesia. All senses become really sensitive, they overlap sometimes and the result is that i heard chocolate cookie taste oozing out of my ears while I chewed on them. Research suggests it might just be placebo but fun stuff nonetheless.
OH MY GOD! I know I DONT have synesthesia BUT I know I have experienced it and this is why! LSD DEFINITELY can give people Synesthesia.
@@3v068 fr. I was hearing colors xD that shits insane. (be safe when doing drugs pls and always test ur shit before consuming :))
@@HolyR6. My journey with drugs ended long ago. Thanks for the advice man. Its always appreciated.
By way of internal and external colours. It's not quite like a hallucination where your brain is supplying an image, rather than looking with your eyes. Because the colours are tied to hearing or taste but being processed as visual information, it's like your "seeing" with your eyes and ears at the same time. So your vision isn't obstructed, you're seeing two clear images.
It's very hard to describe. You know when you look into bright light and get an afterburn. It's a bit like getting that in just one eye.
Imagine if every time you smelt kiwi there was a green starburst of light that flickers up the right hand side of your vision. But it was only on one eye and over before you could tell which one. You can still see perfectly from the other eye and when you try to look at it, it stays in your periphery. So it's harder to focus on the colours than what is in front of you but you are seeing it in front of what you're looking at.
The anime Canaan deals with an assassin that has synesthesia, and she uses that power to basically precognition what other people are doing in a way. Quite underrated, even though the depiction and use is obviously fantasy stuff.
I was checking the comments to see if someone commented about Canaan. I really want to watch this again. 😃
Bet Gigguk watched it since it’s based off a bonus scenario made by Nasu and Takeuchi I.e the founders of Type-Moon I.e the company that makes Fate
Hearing about this I hope to god there's at least one person who's got Synesthesia, but almost everything triggers them to hearing a vine boom sound.
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemies.
that is very evil of you
Studies have suggested that many children have synesthesia but grow out of it as their brain pathways establish themselves. I can say with almost certainty I had it as a kid. I hated Mambo No. 5 because it tasted like BBQ baked beans, there was this other song I liked because it tasted like one of those green caramel apple suckers. I tried talking with my parents and brother about it and they just gave me such puzzled reactions, that's why I can never forget it. It was the first time I felt like "Wait, not everyone has that happen to them?" In my case I was tasting and seeing music. Now that I don't have it anymore Mambo No. 5 slaps lol
As a synesthite, pretty accurate. Thank you for bringing more attention to this condition! There are hundreds of types of this condition, the best way to describe or explain it would be to say it's like two senses are crossed. I have lexical gustatory synesthesia, where I taste or smell words or colors. Just two senses being crossed
I remember a documentary about a man that hit his head on the bottom of a pool and got synesthesia and then could play any song on the piano after hearing a song, he could see shapes (like circle and triangles and stuff) based notes playes and copy what he say
Hey Garnt. Are you aware of an anime called "Canaan." The main heroine has an extreme form of a Synethesia (borders on marvel's Daredevil in ability). Interesting anime. From Type Moon (Fate series).
Now I more or less can't stop thinking of Dr. Connor being someone like House from House M.D.
speaking of superpowers. as a person without a minds eye. i thought it was normal not being able to imagine and see stuff inside my skull.
those exercises where youre supposed to "picture" a beach and nice waves, calm and relaxing. i was bored out of my skull. pitch black in my head. people are out there that can watch shrek in their mind. there are several levels on how detailed they see things. its fascinating. i just rolled my eyes as i typed this because they are talking about physically seeing things.
like wtf how else can you seeeeeeee. i dont have this magical third eye that can conjure up images on command.
So when you think about planning something you’re always stuck in the moment never able to imagine doing it? Like I can imagine driving to work for example
When you stare at a picture, can you not see that picture by looking away? It's not too different from hearing a song in your head, or remembering what someone said.
I taste colors 🤷🏼♀️ Like, every food tastes like a color.
I thought that was normal and how everyone experienced things until I was almost 30 years old, explaining to someone that something tasted red and they point blank called me dumb for thinking that was a way to describe how something tasted 🥺
I have synesthesia, for me it's mostly that I connect colors to certain numbers, letters and days. When I was little, this helped me choose which shirt I was gonna wear that day. As a musician, I wish I had synesthesia where I connect color with sound, it would make learning stuff easier.
My girlfriend has color synesthesia, and how she explained it is for her is that the color is like a stained glass window tint over her vision. She also associates the different colors by different frequencies and the voice of a person speaking (Although I'm not sure if she associates colors with words, I'll ask her about that).
She also has talked about feeling music through her fingertips when listening or playing music which might be a bit of touch synesthesia
I suppose trying to understand synethesia as someone without it is similar to Square trying to understand Sphere in flatlands, or the Country of the Blind residents trying to understand Nuñez’s sight.
I did work with someone who had synesthesia; it helped them with a lot of different tasks involving numbers. But another guy did prank them a lot by giving them the gauges marked with colours that didn’t line up with their synesthesia.
there is a condition that is practically the opposite of synesthesia (which my mother, brother and I have), called aphantasia, which is the "blind mind" and in our case also "mute", the only thing in our heads is an abstract thought , a sequence of words thought without a voice, discovering that people can imagine sounds, imagine colors, remember the voices of dead grandparents and heard them was a real shock for us and a little sad to know that most people have this "super power"
I have grapheme (color synesthesia) and I don't literally "see" the colors, I instead have this unconscious association (similar to Connor thinking of brown when hearing 'coffee') except that it isn't the result of previous knowledge. When I think about the letter 'F' I think of it being red but don't actually see it physically in front of my eyes. A CZcamsr and musician called Adam Neely also has color synesthesia and exlains it very well in his video about synesthesia, I can recommend watching that one.
The two examples from the top of my head of Synesthesia is in the anime Canaan, where the main character's essentially had a superpower where enemies were highlighted in red and she could see them through walls. The other is in the 1st season of True Detective, Matthew McConaughey's character would get vivid hallucinations turning light/colors into moving shapes and sounds, this was due to neurological damage from his systematic abuse of drugs.
one of the coolest things that exists
There are some that use synesthesia to do math super fast. Numbers equal a color, adding them together make another color, which represents a number. It’s incredible. Look up the doc “Brain Man” from about 10 years ago.
This is so interesting!
I don't how to explain it, imagine that whenever you hear a high pitched sound like in a song, the first thing that comes to your mind, literally the next thing that resurfaces in your mind is a light sensation of cold
I have a very mild case of synesthesia, sometime when I hear sounds i see shapes and colors like a daydream overlay on my vision . Mostly it's not bad, but one time a tested a new hi Fi setup and I saw a cyan/blue arc in my vision , I found out that it was just a cable to close to a speaker and it was disturbing that speaker and I didn't hear it , just saw it . The weirdest vision was a butter cookie from the German brand "lebniz" but only the right Upper corner . The sound that repeatedly made that image was a exhaust note at a very specific rpm . I think it's mostly fun because it doesn't happen often
Every day of the week is a different color for me. Monday is always blue, Wednesday is always orange. Friday is green. Sunday is yellow. Saturday is red. Idk why. Tuesday is also blue. Lol. And so on.
I have the same! Also almost same colors! Only difference I have is that Monday is purple for me
After watching this all I can think of is the day these three learn that humans can only really see the colors blue, green and red, and our brains make up what other colors look like, because it needed us to be able to see multiple colors se we could forage for food and avoid predators, they would have a field day talking about that.
The closest thing that I ever got to that was matching colours to months (e.g. august to me has a brownish colour and september is a yellow colour)
Picture your brain. Thoughts travel through the mind through neural impulses of electricity. Synesthetes have a small amount of grey matter in the center of the brain which allows the senses to communicate together/ parallel to each other. This attribute is commonly removed from the mind in school or at home through the process of 'neural pruning' which is when you shove your thoughts through shaped holes and narrow corridors until your synesthesia stops grasping all intangibles. When a neurotypical thinks a thought, the thought travels from one neuron to another directly like a paved highway. When a synesthete thinks a thought, the thought can gather from different senses before reaching the destination. So while both people reached the destination, the synesthete's thoughts also did a quick stop at Domino's for pizza and grandma's house for cookies and a fuzzy sweater. The synesthete wasn't disturbed by these colors over their eyes because that's their life experience, a neurotypical has difficulty imagining the experience because it requires so much extra energy between neurons. Like a lone neuron stretching in all directions for a connection, it costs a lot of energy to stretch and signal to all directions. But a synesthete's mind is always firing to the familiar senses, so those distant highways become much more developed.
That's why even between synesthetes, colors and shapes will contain such different meanings. To me Orange is Four, Zero, and One. Orange is fuzzy and bubbling, bright bliss. Three is Green and 7 is also Green. 6 is Blue, cold - but turn it upside down and 9 is now Red, hot. The layers of colors don't interfere with your vision they're just like an accent of flavor or a slight touch. It's not something you actively think about, it's something the brain does as a result of it's chemistry and repeated daily paths down the same highways.
Another way to think about it is, imagine yourself a neurotypical person who speaks English. They speak English fine and they never have to grab a dictionary during conversation. But then they speak with a synesthete, who has knowledge of other languages outside English as well as a horde of wealth regarding English. During the conversation, the synesthete repeatedly states the origins of words, the etymology behind them, language of origin and the definitions. The neurotypical person is blown away by the wealth of knowledge, but the synesthete gained these wisdoms simply by speaking and watching the world react. Holding onto tiny truths and building upon them.
I have Synesthesia, for all kinds of senses, but the most offensive is sound to colours/shapes and taste to colours, and colours to taste.
It can be interesting, but it's alot of things all at once and can be very over-sensory when too much is going on.
I am a grapheme-color and sound/touch color synesthetic. I participated in a study by University of Sussex where the researchers retested synesthetic people over time (years apart) to see the consistency of the color alignment. Mine is like a train driving by in my minds eye- I can focus in on a sound (train car) and see it, or I can sort of 'checkout' and let the cars whiz by and sort of turn white. It does help with certain memory tasks. People's voices have inherent colors- not based on accent or language or words, but based on timbre and quality and tone.
Synesthesia, Qualia, philosophical zombies, reality and truth, multiple personality disorder or dissociative identity disorder, Last Thursday-ism, solipsism, metaphysics, neurology, collective and mutual experience, psychology, Cartesian Dualism? Based! Count me in! That's the good shit. Good topic, good vid, Trash Taste. Composer, musician and lead singer of Radiohead, Thom Yorke has a type of synesthesia as well.
If I remember correctly, sometimes or rarely, synesthesia can or is co-morbid with autism spectrum disorder.
Soooooo windows music player was synesthesia on PC?
Hey y'all, I have this specific type of synesthesia called "chromesthesia", which is an association between sounds and colors. It is similar to what Joey says at 5:53. The best way to describe this phenomenon (?) would be my first vivid experience of it. I was 13 years old, listening to this song in bed that I was supposed to play on guitar with a friend the following day, and my eyes were shut. As the music played I envisioned colors shaped like the Northern Lights dancing in the dark. For the longest time I didn't know what that was called until I learned about it 4 years ago, and I'm 20 now. That was a core memory for me lol.
Also, idk if this goes with anyone else who also has chromesthesia, but I also envision different colors for a specific note depending on how it's used in the song I'm hearing. Take for example the F# (or F sharp for non-musicians) note: for me, hearing F# major invokes a "feeling" of navy blue, while F# minor makes me envision the color gray. I could go on with plenty other notes but it'll take me a while to write it all down. Anyway, maybe it has something to do with me being a musician, I'm not sure, afaik its mostly artists who tend to have synesthesia.
I also have Chromesthesia and experience kind of the same thing also.
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"Pale blue eyes" makes me think of a constant rainbow of polka dots. Ehh. Is but a thing.
In school, I was a really diligent student but my weakest subject was math. I found I could work through problems a lot faster, if still taking longer than most of my classmates, if I imagined the numbers having different personalities. Four was.. like.. outdoorsy? I could come up with an answer to 8x4 on reflex because of the image of an outdoorsy 4 dragging an introverted 8 over a fence (the number 30) for an adventure in a new place, 32.
8 was always getting brought places he didn't want to go in those days. He'd warn his other friend 9 if something she was doing seemed dangerous. One day 9 brought 8 to a place like 72.
He said to her, "This is it. I can't go any further with you. I'm going home now, I'm sorry."
9 blew him off, climbed over another fence, and they never saw each other again.
I see colors in my peripherals associated with sounds, pretty much every sound has a color and it's easy enough to ignore.
3:56 i want this to be in the Trash Taste Awardw
"That tasted purple"
There’s 2 forms of Synesthesia, projective and associative. Projective Synesthesia is when they actually see something, while Associative Synesthesia is when the person thinks strongly.
So hearing a horn could have a person with Projective Synesthesia seeing a green circle, while someone with Associative Synesthesia will think and associate that sound to green.
I have associative synesthesia and associate certain sounds with certain colours. I don’t physically see things but certain sounds sound like a colour. It’s not that I hear a certain sound and think the word “green”, for example, the sound really sounds green. That’s how I experience it.
There was someone in my public speaking class in uni that had synesthesia. She did a speech on it in class. She had sight/taste synesthesia. She'd look at something and also have a taste. She opened her speech with "The walls look salty, the desks look bitter, and the floor has a full flavour." She spent the next 5min trying to describe her world to us and it was so amazing, and bizarre at the same time. IIRC she said most things she looked at would trigger the taste section of her brain. She didn't taste it with her mouth, but her she'd just sort of know the taste? Like, if you look at or think of a lemon you can almost taste the citricy bitterness right? She talked about how when she was a kid and how she'd lick things and being confused when they didn't taste like her mind said they should taste like. Which I found interesting. I can't remember if she talked about actual food though. It was over a decade ago....
I have it with days of the week.. they all have a colour. So for example; when its Wednesday its yellow.
Wait does anyone else have this when you listen to music for me when I listen to music I can imagine how the MV would look like with whatever style I choose I can imagine how the camera moves, imagine how everything would look like and would play out as I see fit
Even this podcast I can imagine how I would draw these trash boys from their expressions and how they would move
That's moreso imagination than Synesthesia
^^^this
I dunno how accurate it is, but I heard an interesting description from Adam Neely where hearing different notes is like looking at a black and white photo. You might not hallucinate or picture the colors or even think about them at all, but if someone showed you a colored version and the grass was purple, it'd feel absolutely wrong. Same way, he hears a note and somewhere in the back of his mind he just KNOWS what color it is.
Referred itch is more common in people with synesthesia too!
Different colours are like different pitches.
High pitches are naturally young animals or babies, and there are similar association.
...The only reason I am aware of synesthesia is that I read The Secret Series as a child.
I’ve got the opposite condition called aphantasia, where you can’t imagine in your head. My reaction to first hearing that people actually imagine is the same reaction y’all had in this clip.
I have aphantasia too! I always felt like I was the only one :p people always think it's weird that I think exclusively in a feeling (i.e. a landscape feels different from a food dish) and words. I'm so jealous of people who have a visual mind, I'd love to see things when I think
Do you not spatially remember where things are in a picture?
The shapes Alex what do they mean
Alex is definitely red
so synesthesia is when you hear a name and see a color, well i guess i have it because i can se a vivid red when i hear certain names. you could even say red is all i see when i hear that name
Huge shout out to french composer Olivier Messiaen, who notably experienced synesthesia - particularly how he sensed certain mixtures of colours when hearing certain chords/harmonies, which heavily influenced his compositions.
Here’s a brilliant video on this wonderful artist:
czcams.com/video/uFt2szkRiGI/video.html
Man if they are confused about synesthesia, wait until they find out about chronosynesthesia 😂
Migraine aura is surely very different, but gives some experience of how something happening in the brain can affect one's senses. At least for me, the visual disturbance is very distracting.
How to describe color to a blind person? Light frequency.
Sure, one might have to then explain light. But that's photons, aka, particles that move as fast as anything is possible to move.
The weird bit is Magenta. As it has not one, but two frequencies at once (blue and red without a green component) but we see it as one single color. Why? Resolution limitations in eyes.
The upside of being blind however would be that you technically arent predisposed to favoring the visible to human spectrum.
There have been some interesting research in taking a video input and converting it to vibrational patterns with a matrix of vibrators worn on the chest and back of a person for a few days. Even just converting it to an audible signal can probably carry a lot of information. At first it would be noise, but as days go by your brain would do its magic and learn what it is seeing through the ears or chest.
But that opens up other possibilities. The input doesn't have to be visual. It can be any continuous stream of data as long as the brain can associate the patterns to something concrete.
One other thing to note is that echo location can be learned already. The trick is usually to learn how to make the click consistent enough so your ears can decipher how the heard click is different from the reference click so the brain can make educated assumptions of the shape of the room.
Or one can add another question. How do one explain the sense of echolocation based room shapes to a normal seeing person?
Describing colours to someone that has never seen them is classical qualia problem. There is a way to solve this particular one tho. Blind people report they can see things, random shapes and colours when on classical psychedelics. That doesnt solve the qualia, but you can give them experience from which both parties can work on to describe more complex things.
3:22 Nouns are Blue, Adjectives are Green, Verbs are Red, Pronouns are Purple, Conjunctions are Brown, Prepositions are Yellow, Adverbs are Orange. I will never unlearn this. But i'm pretty sure this was trained into me by my 6th grade comm skills teacher.
7:10 another perspective of blindness
not only the concept of ¨color¨. the whole experience of seeing is something I would not know how to explain to a blind person...
I think Connor doesn't understand that synesthesia isn't just....imagining things or making associations. It's an involuntary PHYSICAL ailment. There are people who can listen to a recording of someone saying the word "baseball" and instantly taste chocolate pudding. It's more extreme than just "what vibe do I get from ____" it's a completely different thing.
I know someone who hates karaoke because, as she describes it to me, she can taste sounds. When people sing, and most people at karaoke sessions usually aren't pros to begin with, it can taste bad to her. Really bad when the person singing is really bad.
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I found this video trying to show how it looks like to have synesthesia czcams.com/video/obrBAysVef0/video.html
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Synesthesia doesnt force visuals. 99% of cases its all mental. It isnt like schizophrenic hallucinations.
Funnily enough the mass majority of humans have synesthesia equal visual and audible sensations daily. The difference is association and coherence.
You can easily build associations with the same level of coherence people with synesthesia have. People do this all the time when learning difficult problems.