Yamaha Aircraft Engines? STOL - Steve Henry
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- Yamaha Aircraft Engines? STOL - Steve Henry talks about the Yamaha RX1 Vs. the Apex Engine models and the differences between them. Steve will be competing in the upcoming "Lonestar STOL Competition" in Gainesville TX March 12-15th 2020 if you would like to attend this event! lonestarstol.com/
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after watching him compete at arkanstol I can say these things perform. The sound this thing makes is amazing!
I love seeing alternative engines that are successful. More excellent content! Thanks!
@JP White... You keep showing up! Thank you! Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
Amen, it puts the experimental in experimental aviation!
Excellent video Bryan! Been waiting to see what Steve Henry was putting together for this year. Exciting stuff
Thank you! It was a long ride from Florida and back but....apparently worth it! Thank you for your feedback! Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
Wish I could subscribe again! but again I really like these videos with Steve and the Apex!
I’m looking to build an Van’s RV7.. thanks for the video! Keep up the great work!
Great questions and great answers. Fascinating!
Thrust from Steve Henry engine is amazing. Power to weight ratio is nuts! Had a Yamaha 650 4 cylinder that redlined at 10,000 rpms in early 80’s in a motorcycle. R and D has been working overtime for sled engines though Yamaha in the later years. All about speed and weight! Hats off to Steve Henry for test piloting this project that so many want to acquire now for an airplane. Great question and answer session. Well done video.
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@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel you NEED to seriously look at the 300hp supercharged jetski engines...theyre marine quality engines with jetted oil cooled pistons for continuous high rpm...really torquey engines out of the crate
this seems to be the old engine used in VX jetskis. it had about 140-180hp and a redline above 10k. the newer engines are much better and more powerful.
I found you looking specifically to see if anyone was using yamaha wave runner engines in stol. Fantastic!
Interesting video on power plants for ultra-lights thanks 👍
Rotax,made a huge change in the light airplane world with snowmobile engine's, I look forward to what Yamaha can do
Just can't get enough of these Yamaha engines... "New sponsor acquired." Congrats! 👍
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You got my sub simply because you waited until I could watch enough of the video to know if I liked the content before hitting me up for it (smart). Nothing sillier than "Before you watch the video and see if you like it, be sure and hit 'Like'".
Of course the content was great too. :)
First Vid I watched on this channel! Subbed! I’m a huge fan of the Yamaha engines, in general. Gonna be interesting to see how these fair in the aviation world!
I’d love a highlander with a yammi, how much would a complete kit run?
Any promo vids on them anywhere?
Thanks
I had a Yamaha snow machine for 4 years before I sold it when I moved to a non-winter state and that whole time I never had one mechanical stoppage or any issues for that matter. My riding buddies with SkiDoo's, CanAm's, Polaris....none of them can claim that. I carried a strap and D shackles to pull them when they broke down lol Yamaha is KING of the snow machines!
Kinda related, I've got a 07 Yamaha Rhino 450 on the farm and use it every day still runs like a champ. The Polaris Ranger I bought in 09 is usually broken in the barn waiting on parts. They do the same job, same loads.
dwarden3 , same here in Ontario. Our ATV group always ends up having to repair or tow a Polaris back to camp. Yamaha , Honda and Can Am never seems to break down.
Congratulation Steve!!! Nice job...
yes, great job, thanks.
Excellent stuff bro
Great content here.
Man this gives me an idea to take a look at Yamaha's SHO watercraft engines. Not sure how well they can adapt because they use water from their surroundings to cool
amazing!
Bad ass little screamers. Love it
Bryan, great video.
Great video! Thanks. Have you thought about a visit with Mike Patey to see what he is doing with carbon fiber?
Remarkable video. Great interview, super products. Well done. (from a Brand New Subscriber!)
Welcome! And...Thank You!
Dam this changes everything for me I want this engine
Nice !
Well my experiences from snowmobiles would make me very comfortable flying with an Apex engine, not that Rotax is bad in any way but Yamahas engines is a little bit better. Besides the yearly or every 4000km oil change I'm still waiting for the first service on the engine in my Apex, valve clerance check at 40000km or 24860 miles. :-) When the clutches are set and work correctly it should rev about 10700 at WOT, the revlimiter kicks in at 11000.
Bryan was Mr. Henry’s engine issues the MAPing due to a horse power cure difference in different power needs along the cure? Another great informative video. Love these different approaches to experimental aircraft. You may want to suggest this idea to AGAN aircraft designs because I bet they would love this amount of torque for their designs.
Great idea! These engines could serve many applications and many platforms. I not sure exactly on the mapping for each mode (STOCK and BEASTMODE!) :-) Thank you for watching and also supporting here!
Experimental Aircraft Channel I would be interested in his fuel consumption on max range? If you get a chance to ask him? I was thinking KitFox but after hearing your interview I’m now rethinking my thoughts. I wouldn’t be in and STOL competitions but with that much horsepower at your fingertip! WOW. Nice to have it and not need it and if the gearboxes can take the TBO times then why not!!
It’s about time we realize that air cooled carbureted engine with magnetos is old music. High performance motorcycles and cars abandoned that long time ago....
Carb rebuilding kits, and tuning talents are few and far between also. Motorcycle dealerships won't this old tech anymore.
dealerships won't touch
Magnetos are still used in top level motorsport.
Bill Hollingsworth are they? Wear? I though mags didn’t let you change timing so they wouldn’t work with FADEC systems.
@@joshmoore6165 You know you can edit comments. Not trying to be difficult, just if you wanted to fix the original comment you can.
great video
Nice vid. Very interesting power plant but wondering if it is noisy in the cabin with such high rpm..
From what I'm hearing about price points and the technology in each motor, why not use the 3 cylinder Genesis factory turbo motor from a sidewinder and just do some mods for reliability with high boost
Outlaw Motorsports in BC builds some monster yamahammer engines and there was a place in enterprise Oregon that did as well…
I’m putting a yamaha Apex in my zenith 601xlb project. It should be a blast when it’s all done
post videos
greg
cfi
Need vid!
that sounds fun!!!
09:38 , i was waiting for the money shift.
Have an interview on the Skytrax reduction gear system for the Yamaha snowmobile engine, hoping to get your permission to use your video footage of the unit being used, showing it taking off and landing - I will, of course, acknowledge the source. Thanks The Ultralight Flyer
info@experimentalaircraftchannel.com
We are using one in out Avid.
AIRBOAT GUY HERE----- im very intrigued. what years of APEX sleds are the best? what does the gear box cost?
Can you replace RX1 carburetors with APEX fuel injection system?
i want one bad very cool
Hi there
I found this video very interesting and I loved it, but
The search for power is - in itself - a never ending quest ingrained in american hot rod culture.
And there are those who strive for more and more power but
In aviation, I believe, it is reliability every pilots main concern. Thus redundancy is mandatory in every mechanism
I would find it extremely interesting if you could do a video on Viking Aircraft Engines
Here again is a company using automobile engines in aviation
But with a different approach
That of reliability
Power can be achieved but their approach is one step at a time with reliability as first and foremost priority.
Please do the video
What's the fuel burn rate at cruse?
Nice interview, thanks! Who makes accessories for APEX and PHAZER engines: mounts, gearboxes, airboxes, exhausts, etc. Anyone running these on Powered Parachutes? Thanks!
will it be useful to use a reduction belt instead of a gearbox?
I just love aircraft engines that cruise at 7200rpm. The CTLS at 5200 about put me into 'the nervous hospital.' Franklin had a two-banger in a later model champ in the 70's that thumped along like a V-dub. A little nervous, but not bad on an hour long flight.
cool videos, sir!!! and Mr. Henry and the Yamaha engine is exciting!! new stuff,,,, good!!! come on Honda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just sayin
Question for Steve, Which Wing ( Highlander or Super Stol) Is better for low and slow? Ideally, the Super Stol with the highlander landing gear seems better overall for Stol, but.........................
OK... LETS SEE IT FLY....!
Is that motor going to jonas?
great video! what about the yamaha 1800 from the waverunner gp1800?
Great question! I was looking at those as well. I see Yamaha has a manufacturing center in GA. Maybe I will go visit them one day.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel please do these are some awesome motors!
for the big experimentals we should see more chevy LT motors, these pushrod engines are light and compact
Is Steve running Earls waterless coolant?
In Australia so we don't see too many snow mobiles. Are the 1800cc 4cyl engines used in the WaveRunners a similarly usable/ reliable engine package?
Reading some of the comments below what is the difference in engine fuel injection mapping between a snowmobile and an aircraft application? If the snowmobile fuel injection is wide enough to go from sea level to 10 thousand plus feet why is the aircraft different?
With that kind of RPMs what comes to mind is a system based on a Multi Fan Blade Ducted Fan. A Cold Ducted Fan with Direct Drive. In a Duct, the wing tip vortex's from the prop tip, are eliminated thus gaining efficiency , about 20 %. In my Mind's Eye, I see the engine and impeller enclosed in a Venturi Shaped Duct. An air cooled 2 cyc engine behind the impeller in the slipstream would handle the engine cooling.
Side note..... I've been building and flying Model airplanes since 1959. Got my 1st Radio in 1976, been designing, building and flying R/C ever since. Build in the winter and fly in the Summer. I get an idea, draw a sketch, cut, glue, assemble, fly, break, rebuild, fly. This Yamaha Engine in a Ducted Fan with the High RPMs should be Mega Thrust. From Ionia KEITH
If your ducted fan gains 20% efficiency than you are above 100%🤩
Ive made 350hp turboing the apex.
where's the best place to buy all the apex gear, hardware, turbo's etc...
About RPM - - - I had a Honda CX 500 motorcycle in 1969 that red lined at 10,000 Rpm and everybody said it was a time bomb because of such high RPM. It was the most reliable Bike ever.
I could take it up to 10,000 RPMs every shift and I often drive in a lower gear to maintain the 10,000 RPMs and it was only a 2 cylinder so RPMS mean nothing if the motor was designed to be a high revving and built by a good company Like Yamaha or Honda.
Don't bikes today rev 20K now?
@@SVSky Most of your average sport bikes are topping out between 12-14k. My 19 year old Blackbird redlined at 12.5k. Happy zone was between 6-9k, and best mileage was around 85 mph.
@@SVSky many do, but my Goldwing redlines at 6,000.
the CX500 didnt come out until 1978.
@@yamahale Thank you Hal you are a better historian than me. But point being that it was a high reviving from a long time ago.
Whats the song in the beginning?
Is that Steve Henry website ...we can brought the Cessna or any aircraft be New one or second hand .....?
cool video ...... :-)
So is it not possible to get a new crate engine from Yamaha. Or is it just more cost effective to get them ex sled. Maybe you need to be talking to Yamaha, could be a deal to be made there. I wish GA aircraft had this option
What's the weight of a package unit?
How hard it to get a sonex cowling for these?
Found a kitfox with an apex 160hp in it... I love Yamaha engines and they’re reliable, but being in the air I’m torn, I feel like I’d rather a Rotax 912uls or something. Still have that just Incase double ignition double spark plug per cylinder. Unless the Apex has this?
Get a new brain release 🤣
Hola saludos desde Chile una consulta conoces a alguien que fabrique trike en tándem, muchas gracias
Seeing a running engine would be nice.
Does anyone know aproximate concumption per hour for this Yamaha Apex conversion, at 50% of power?
I love the plane and the performance. And did they think that you were going to say a couple of hundred $ for the engine.?? I think that it was Rolls Royce who used to say "if you have to ask the cost Sir, You can't afford it",!
What is the longevity of these engines (hourwise) as far as using them in airplanes goes? Has there been any long term testing yet where the engines have been run for 1000+ or 2000+ hours?
ditto that. No hard #s and big $ is jive-talkin'. how long do the suckers last.
what is cruising speed?
I just bought a 2011 1000cc Apex, operation Yukon is a GO haha
How about bombardier 900 ace turbo triple.?
What are some of the differences in HP loss with air density equal to altitude?(sorry about the terms, not a licensed pilot yet) Sea level, 5k ft, 10k ft with both the Rotax and the Apex?
deekamikaze there is none all it does is maintain rated hp at alt that’s it
How much to turn my RS Venture engine to a plane chassis? And get my small plane licence?
Great to see this engine in a plane, but these prices are just absurd : a mid-condition apex engine goes for 2k, the gearbox is 3k, a turbokit is 3-5k. nowhere near those 43k he's talking about.
That list prices that Cristhopher is showing belows shows why. Everything incredibly overpriced. 750 for removing an engine? 500 for cleaning it? Completely irrational and overpriced. You can get a good used engine for 1K and if you know what you are doing, save thousands.
What does it weigh?
About those vtol aircraft*, how about folding transforming electric bicopters, running with aluminium/magnesium-air single use batteries?
I'm planning to produce these myself, also quad/oct versions, all graphene-aluminium full roll cage with metal air replaceable batteries
target price for each is 2000EUR/USD off-the-shelf, ultra-light, fast-cast
Could someone please explain to me why he couldn’t just put EFI onto that carbureted engine?
You can depending on the manufacturer. Yamaha is known to have different valve spring ratings between the two. So you would have to re-work the head. Then rebalance the crank. To do all that DOES NOT cost that much.
I have a 2009 Apex MTX with 1,800 miles on it. Like new condition. I plan on keeping it, but after hearing the going price for the engine, makes me wonder.
Apex engines in mid-conditions go for about 2k, that guy just wants to make a huge margin
I guess that if he can sell them for that, more power to him. The price of aviation anything is why I'll never get involved in it. What makes the sled heavy, is what makes the plane light. Funny how the different applications work.
I can buy a while working sled for $3000.The engine harness for aircraft is 125 bucks or so.Test the compression and throw it on.
I think plenty are missing the point. Like saying I want an SUV so trophy trucks are garbage. This engine is one of the best engines this size ever made. You want performance? Usually costs. Also, love this engine in my motorcycle.
I know Rotax makes aviation engines but I would think a Rotax 4tec supercharged 3cyl which are used in seadoo jetskis would be a fantastic experimental aircraft engine. Is anyone doing this?
Shouldn’t even be a second thought between carbs or fuel injection. I mean absolutely ZERO thought really. Also, you shouldn’t even really have to develop and R&D a turbo system for the Apex, the snowmobile guys have been doing it for years and years. I completely understand a few tweaks and bugs here and there, like exhaust manifold/collector, charge pipe/induction manifold routing and intercooler maybe if your using one. However, the fuel mapping, computer, proper turbo, etc.....there are many many guys who have that down perfectly. Certainly shouldn’t be necessary to start from scratch just because it is going in an aircraft right?
The mapping for an aircraft is completely different from a car. I've done it and the maps that were provided with the ECU were completely inappropriate and I had to start from scratch. Been flying with my setup since 2009.
Something used on a snowmobile doesn't necessarily fit or work on an airplane.
As he explains in the video, he had to come up with his own exhaust system because it can't be fitted the same.
And with different gearboxes and ways the power is used at a higher band of altitude changes comes the need for different mapping and adjustments.
Decades ago I was reading about research and certification of a diesel engine for small aircraft.
The one thing that stood out was that since it has to be injected it meant that it didn't need manual mixture control (gasp!)
And since it is new technology requiring full certification anyways they've decided to go with electronic fuel injection.
I mean... imagine having just one handle that gives you more power when you slide it forward and less when you slide it back without having to consider pesky annoyances like engine temperatures!
I think it is awesome that it is so easy to experiment with new technology in the light sport aircraft field.
Of course, it can get dangerous too if Bob from down the street decides he can build a flying machine from his riding lawn mower.
I am wondering what makes the Yamaha engine competitive compared to a Viking 195 or an aeromomentum engine. Is it the weight? Doesn't seem to be the price.
Not a bad engine...but I also don't see too much R&D on these either. I'm not too sure I'd spend that kind of cash on something so unproven. Aeromomentum is doing a far better job on the R&D front (easily the best of all the auto converters out there IMHO) with significantly lower prices. I'd approach this one with caution till a few hundred hours at least are on a few of these. If it works out okay after that, fine. If not....
I haven't seen the weight for the turbo setup, but it has to be alot lighter than the honda auto conversion. These engines also have a lot of history and testing of turbo setups in the sleed world. They have proven to be super reliable in that application. That doesn't mean I disagree with you about hours of testing on this specific turbo/fuel injection setup. The fact that you are not getting a factory built engine also adds variability that I don't like. And the price... 40k ouch
About 115-120 lbs, that was his price that included gearbox and prop which I'd guess costs about 6K.
10:56 so you made a helicopter with wings lol
How do I start with learning about experimental aircrafts and regulations wrt to them
I am based in Ontario canada
Mega rpms scares me. It only makes sense that overhaul times are going to be less hours. Besides, the noise would drive me nuts. High power, lower rpms is he ticke to long life, dependability
Why such a price increase for the turbo version? +$20,000? ....I have done a bunch of different turbo installations on everything from motorcycle to V8s and just can't see that much of a price increase on a snowmobile engine.
That price is ridiculous. I can't comprehend how he can justify 20k-40k.....
I agree, im not sure why a person would considered this motor when you can get a new Rotax 915iS fresh out of the box, turbo and fuel injected, (which btw you will get service bulletins should issues be found at the factory) all for $37k. In contrast I'm sure the APEX works well, but seems very expensive for what your getting, a used, secondhand engine. If it was a $6k or even $10k maybe. But $23k? Hard pass.
If you go to his website and check out the price page he is offering the Rotax and Yamaha. The 150HP EFI Apex is (w/firewall forward prop and hub) $23k the 100HP Rotax 912 is $28k (FF inc) the 914 is $40k (FF inc) The Yamaha 300 HP is $43K. There is a rather large difference between the HP and whats included for $43K. In neither case are you buying just the engine. For 300HP ready to mount isn't that ridiculous. Yamaha makes a great engine if they provide the correct modifications seems like a fair price.
IS the $23k price for a non turbo engine include a rebuilt snow mobile engine with fuel injection ?
That includes the gearbox and prop as well. You're talking about a motor that weighs just over 100 lbs, and rebuilt can easily make more power. My 2008 R1, it's a similar motor, made almost 180 with a full exhaust system and dyno tuning on a stock motor. Match the ECU map for the use, dial in the cams for where you want them and tune it for best power application. Non turbo super bike builds are making well over 200Hp.
I have a 2007 Apex for sale , it has 800 miles on it .
Интересно блок двигателя дюраль, как он противостоит нештатным нагрузкам?
Fuel burn?
23,000 wow, you can buy a Piper pacer for that.
I always thought the point of using alternative engines was to lower the cost. Yes, it's a cool engine but damned pricy. And you're basically getting a secondhand engine.
exactly what I was thinking. If im handy enough to build an airplane from a kit then ill find a 2nd hand engine rip it and and install myself. Of course ill buy what i need like the fearbox but holy crap iv seen these engines going for 2-3K.
but let me add that if you have the money to throw around, if your looking at a highlander Id sure throw it Steve Henrys way.
@Ryan You can buy a used APEX sled for $2000 or less all day long. I know because I have one. Lovely engine, its true. Its as smooth and happy as can be to squeeze 11K rpm all day long and lots of guys have huge miles on the sleds with no engine issues. Maybe I can sell my sled for more money now lol
@Ryan You don't need 20k to turbo.an R1 engine (what an Apex essentially is). Maybe 5k.
yeah, but what's the TBO. Sure i ride high performance sportbikes, sometimes at high rpm for the thrill. But i don't think it would make any reasonable TBO doing that long term. 20K+ for one of these whizbangs? When it quits on a sled no one thinks about it---it's when your with your kid drivin' over the mountain that you think about it. Nice vid though.
AWESOME..... That TURBO needs a 2 speed gear. Super Cruise....
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Hey! do you have a 3d model of this yamaha motor engine?
What type of fuel is he running in those engines
Why not the 3 cylinder engine from Yamaha Nytro? Lighter and very reliable. 130hp stock but MC Xpress from Sweden pulls 340hp from it very easily.
270 degree phase in power pulses gives propellers some funky behavior.
@@CommieCat Aah. Thank you for the info. I have absolutely no experience in aircraft engines. 😁
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It seems like you should be able to get an engine out of the crate from Yamaha, and not an extracted snowmobile engine.
Yamaha doesn't want to get involved in Aircraft engines I can understand why then they can be held responsible all comes down to lawsuits. Even if they sold them to be used in snowmobiles still probably end being sued. Attorney's go after who ever has the deepest pockets eventually someone will crash and end up dead. Families are filled with greed by attorneys who want to make a fast buck on a settlement.
@@Mike-01234 that's why you can't start or run their cycles in gear with the kickstand down. Some brainiac did, and collected a payout for his own stooopidity. ) :
chekyerego - In all the years I’ve been around bikes, I’ve never seen a factory complete engine available. It’s a damn shame, too.
That would be nice. In the early years I was investigating options for engines to build "Reverse Trike" kits. I think the only manufacturer that might sell a crate engine (or maybe just in individual parts) is Kawasaki. Most Reverse Trike kits now use doner bikes be it NEW, Salvage or low miles used. Thank you for watching and supporting here. I appreciate You!
Experimental Aircraft Channel - Ahh great info, Bryan. Thanks!👍