I should have returned this new car battery (Noco 5 Genius repair?)
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Brand new car battery that I needed to return straight away, but have not done so.
That is my mistake and I should know better. The story is that I bought this brand new battery Bosch S5005 from Eurocarparts. I measured the state of health with the Foxwell BT100 Pro and it was 80% state of health and the cold cranking amps were not that great either (I cannot remember what the exact numbers were). It has now been ~8 months since I have been using it in my Peugeot 307 (2007; 1.6 petrol; ~47,000 miles) and the state of health and cold cranking amps have been dropping consistently with the time.
Moral of the story, buy any of these battery testers and when you buy a new car battery, charge it to full, then test it. If the state of health is not anything more than 90%, definitely return it!
In the video I will also how to use the noco genius 5 repair mode. My hope was that the Noco genius 5 will help with the car battery desulfation.
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Guys. The thing is, that charging is not actually finished, when charger is disconnected. Charging and discharging is a chemical process. So when the chemical process is finished, the charging is finished. How do you know, when chemical process of chargning is finished? By voltage and it need to stay at least 8 hours. If after being 13.2 ish it will settle to only after 6-8 hours to 12.7-12.8. It would mean, the chemical magic is done and you can use/test the battery etc.
I completel agree with your comment and if you have looked at the beginning of the video the voltage is 12.84 and the battery was left for ~8h on its own (no load/charge). The %SOC was given 75%. Yes, the rest of the test were done not with the battery to rest for a few hours. Nevertheless, the chemical process will need some time to complete, but this is not to say it is nothing in the battery (0) and the chemical process does it to 100%. There will be a little bit of gain in the Ah, but not by much.
Very good video. I think I was more impressed by the Foxwell tool than the NOCO 5 battery charger. I recently purchase a Genius 10 charger with similar features. I hope I'm not disappointed. I am awaiting the arrival of an Exide battery from the UK. Will charge it up before installation...and monitor it's health. Thanks again for the thorough and insightful video.
Thank you for the encouragement! I really like the Foxwell battery monitor, although I was told it is not as accurate as the more expensive tools. Nevertheless, I have been using it with the same battery for ~3 years now and it is consistent in showing the drop off the health status of the battery. I did not have it when I bought the battery, but as yours will be new, you may have a greater chance of recovering any sulfation with the repair function. Hopefully you do not have any.
Great video, very informative. I'll defo check the Foxwell device. Thanks for showing what the green light does when fully charged.
Thank you for the encouragement. I really had high hopes that the Noco will bring the battery to a better state, but somehow it did not work.
Next time I buy a car battery I am going with the Foxwell device and will not get cheated again.
not sure how noco does its recovery process but will check in the nearest future, I just bought Noco 10. The only thing Id like to say that its impossible to perform capacity test without spending 24 hours on the process like charge-discharge-count. In my opinion this battery checker is a good toy but nothing can replace multimeter and carbon pile tool IMHO.
Thank you for sucj a enjoyable video, I appriciate it.
Well, yes, using a proper amps discharge tool is much better. Say with a constant current how much it will be discharged to say 12V. THat would give a much better outcome. I am using the toy thing for simplicity, but it does correlate with charge/discharge.
Great review and demo. I'd like to see you demo a PulseTech Power Pulse passive battery desulfator, they claim that it uses a patented frequency to gently desulfate a battery rather then voltage spikes and is designed to be installed on the battery at all times, and will extend the battery life up to three times, I currently have one on my BMW NAPA battery for the past three years, and have not had any issue's with starting the car even though I only drive about 5 miles per day, 25 miles per week.
Yeah, thank you for that. I might have a look and see if that makes a difference.
The Foxwell tool is nice -- I used to use a Sun machine in the shop that had a large carbon pile that you could vary the pressure n to read CCA & volts at the same time. I've never seen such a small tool do the job. I always insist on seeing all the available batteries and select the one with the freshest date code (not really possible online).
It does not seem too bad. If I had an access to a proper load tester I can have a good comparison with the Foxwell tool. Probably is accurate in relative terms rather than absolute, as my battery looses percentage of the state oh health with time
Very fair and honest review. You did well! ps: sorry about your battery, but it should still start the car for quite a while..... er... I think.
He charged it on 6 volts not 12 😂
even if you were right (which you AREN'T), after he charged it the battery tester reported it as being a good battery.
I think he might be right. Charged it at 6 volt. Not sure if that would just give slower results or crappy results. Maybe a better deeper charge idk but. Maybe we are just confused. Anyway. Good video still
Try using the patented BatteryEqualizer fluid to reduce the internal resistance of your battery. That's what matters most, the internal resistance.
Unfortunately it is a sealed battery, not much access to fluid, unless I drill holes in there.
Thanks for your video. Several people say desulfation/repair mode does actually nothing. Some claim you need weeks or at least days and yet there is no warranty. One thing I dislike NOCO charger is that you can not see what is the voltage nor the amperage nor the stage of the charging algorythm. It is a black box. You don't know what it is doing. By the way, you may try the Foxwell BT780 or BT705. They are more expensive but might be more accurate. In cases of a battery that is almost new but problematic I guess a more accurate tester is worth. In cases of batteries behaving according to age then a cheap tester is ok. Im not expert, that's just my feeling.
Yeah, I'm thinking of doing a 10-days on repair function mode and see if that helps.
@@moremoleculesDid you do it? Can you share result. Thanks .
@@justalex4571 Not yet, but just got a spare old battery from my car, so will do that one and see what happens. Probably in a month with the editing of the video ;-)
Always check the date on the battery you're buying, some sit for years on the shelf
While I completely agree, that particular battery I bought online and extremely difficult to return, you have to pay for the return and you have to prove it is not good.
Great detailed video. Thank you.
Great video exactly what was looking form
thank you so much
This is one of the best review video I ever seen
thanks again
Repair function in battery only can recover mild wear, not deep sulfation issues.
Yes, I completely agree with that, although it is rather difficult to estimate or measure how mild the wear is or sulfation issues. This was an 8-months old battery and I assume it did not have deep sulfation issues.
Well, how it was stored in the shop where I bought it from is different matter.
@@moremolecules When I bought a Lead Sulfide battery, I always have the battery within 2 months of the manufacturing date.
@@rondhole Yes, I should have done that, although it was an online order, so a bit difficult to check the manufacturing date. I just wanted to make people aware that one should check the battery when buying a new battery. Depending on time it has passed ot how it was stored, it will be very difficult to restore to new status, even though the battery is brand new.
Next time I am buying a "new" car battery I am bringing my device and will check every one until I find something that approaches new or at least 95% health status. From the shop they will normally reply, yeah, just give it a charge it will be alright.
@@moremolecules Just check the manufacturing date, it should be enough. The irreversible damage happened when the discharge is below 11.8V open voltage. The health status check is not that accurate depending on the state of charge too. A discharged battery shows 50% health but bumps to 92% after fully charged. 16.17 in czcams.com/video/rNbmC_TG044/video.html
@@rondhole Next time I'll check the manufacturing date. I have been measuring another battery for quite some time now and of course depending on the charge it does change a bit. Nevertheless, when looking at the state of health on fully charged, it drops a couple of percentage points every few months. At the beginning was ~80%, now ~72% consistantly.
Probably difficult to get non-sealed batteries nowadays, but if I can find one I'll buy non-sealed one, at least one can top up water and salts.
Do not testing just after charge, wait minimum 1 hour.
The surface charge only affects the measure V, not much else.
Learned a lot. Thanks
You cannot trust those cheap offshore battery analyzers, get yourself a midtronic's made in America USA battery analyzer. they are 100% accurate. They are the only testers that are authorized for battery returns from dealerships.
I agree that there is no good way to see how good they are, but I have been measuring two of my car batteries with this and it gives consistent results. I mean consistent in the way that my car battery is degrading relatively linearly with time, so the measurements are not complete garbage, but still.
I'll definitely check the midtronic analyzer, seems like a good buy, although a bit steep 🙂
@@moremolecules you don't need the Midtronic, these Foxwell and other types are the same accuracy as the Midtronics
@@pagepro211 That's good to know and thank you for the comment
I think the problem is you're charging using the regular 12V setting, you should use the 12V AGM settings as your battery is AGM. Try again and let us know.
Unfortunately no, it is lead-acid battery, so the AGM settings/charging do not apply for this battery.
@@moremolecules - oh, I think it's the Bosch S5-A05 is the AGM one, my bad.
Once a year for repair mode? Or every one month ?
Up to you, but probably once a month.
@@moremolecules i think it will fry my battery, not gonna use repair mode with high voltage 15 or 16 volts.
@@playstation2bigs It does not go to 15-16V, it pulses rather than increase voltage. It has not fried my battery and I tried it multiple times. Has not recovered my battery though, haha
You can't measure battery state of health right after a charge. It needs at least 2 hours to cool off. The test is therefore negated bad.
While I agree that I should have waited quite a few hours for the surface charge to dissipate, there is a very small amount of discrepancy whether one waits or not. I tried it multiple times and the only difference is 1-2% more.
Desulfation takes time.... I leave my NOCO Genius 2D automatic desulfator on for a week or longer.
Hmm, that is something that I may try. I had it for 4-5 times one after another the desulfation but it did not do anything. Maybe I need to do it for a whole week.
i'm thinking about getting the noco genius 5. would you recommend it?
Thank you. 🙂
Put it into repair mode. Run that a few times.
Yeah, I tried that a few times, but not much changed.
Nice job god bless
You should still be able to return it as it has a 5-year warranty
Yes, but it is rather difficult to do that. Last time I went for my new battery, they simply asked is it working? I try to explain that it is working, but not up to spec, they almost had none of that.
Did you check the electrolyte levels? Even if it's a sealed battery, I think you can add some water somehow. What voltage does the charger apply in repair mode? Is it pulsed?
It is sealed, so I cannot see how to topup the electrolytes. I would have done it if it was possible. Yes, it is pulsed for the repair funciton.
@@moremolecules drill holes + syringe as a last resort? Can you check electrolyte levels by transillumination?
@@csraln6748 I can drill holes, but then it might be difficult to seal. I have to see if somebody else has not made a video of how to check these sealed batteries. I liked the standard (opened) ones more, it was easy to check electrolyte and put salts inside.
The seal can be broken with a razor or knife, there are several videos that show how to do it. Anyway, break the seal, check the fluid levels. Even so, if there's sulfation, it can take several weeks to complete the desulfation process. Don't give up on it, need a little patience (Which I don't have myself) I had a BMW battery that took weeks to desufate and recover.
Can you do a video of starter motor change on 1.4 hdi 207 please 👍
Unfortunately I have no access to the 1.4HDi 207, but if one of mine packs up I will have a video
@@moremolecules thanks 👍
When you use the foxwell tester have you tried setting it to EN and not CCA ?
Yes, I tried this and the readings are much worse. I was was asked this before and I spent a significant amount of time to try to find the CCA for this battery. I do not think the EN on the label is exactly the same as the EN in the foxwell tester. The CCA from Bosch's website for this battery states 610CCA.
You must throw the Foxwell device into the trash can.
Do you suggest a better device/method to determine the heatlh of a car batter? That is, apart from having rather expensive equipment to drain/load the battery and calculate Amps.
@@moremolecules midtronics pbt 300! Approximately 209.78 Euro. Expensive? Maybe but accuracy is unmatched.
@@404notfound..... It seems like a good device and accurate. Unfortunately I'm based in the UK, so the delivery charges from the US will bring it a bit more.
C tek would have fixed it , I’ve had ctek for over 7 years , it has never let me down !
Hi Sammy, many thanks indeed for the suggestion. Yes, I have heard about the ctek, but have not tried it yet. Maybe I should get one of these and have a go.
Hi Paul. You say this but a number of reviews on the equivalent CTEK chargers say the button quickly malfunctions. Internal reviews of the components say the NOKO is the better device.
@@pquk Hi Paul, very good point on the CTEK button. I pondered for quite awhile if I should get one, but the reviews about the button are pretty consistent. It is a quite an expensive device for the button to malfunction that frequently.
Just to be fair, do you think the issue may have been with the battery? Have you preformed the test with another battery to maybe get a second opinion?
Yes, I have performed the test with another battery: czcams.com/video/K3A-ZgXwWbY/video.html
To be honest, it is not entirely clear if the issue is with the battery or Noco genius 5 just does not do anything. I have had 3 brand new batteries and the repair has never done anything good.
@@moremolecules that's good to know. Thank you for the review and the video. I just ordered one of these and like to see it's capabilities beforehand so your video and others like it satisfy my curiosity when making a purchase. 👍🏽
@@antoniohuertas8909 I have not found it to do anything with the repair function and I bought it for that particular feature. Otherwise, even the cheapest "smart" charger would do the same stuff. Felt a bit cheated, but that is life I suppose.
why would you want or try to repair a battery that is already new?? maybe that's why you're not seeing results. there's nothing to repair.
@fall back well, that's why I say to test it. Just because it's new doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. I know myself personally, I've bought something new that didn't work and had to be returned. All I'm saying is to test it to rule that out.
Nice 👌🏻. I just bull noco 5 . Mave not
It is not a bad device. It did not work on my car battery, but it may work with yours. I do not think there is a silver bullet that can restore heavily sulfated battery, but how do you know if yours is sulfated. This one was just 8 months old and I have driven it, so it has not stayed not used.
@@moremolecules I also believe that the restore button is useless and it is the only thing that differentiates it from series 2. Thanks, it clears my doubts.
Can we charge with 1a and below (0.8a etc) current? especially for motorcycle batteries
It is a kind of smart charger, so one cannot control the charging current. It will charge with quite high current at the beginning as long as the battery accepts the current.
Actually you supposed to put it in stright repair mode, it will charge it to full in that mode thn it will automatically switch over to repair mode..well that's what ive read on there website..
That is not what is written in the manual. The manual state syou need to fully charge the battery before doing the repair!
it takes a few try's to desulfer some battery's i have tried 5 different battery's it worked on 3 but the 2 it did not work on were the sealed type where you cant refill the water plus the bigger the cca battery's the better results i did mine with a £20 Chinese charger not a noco 5
I will have to try like 10 times in a row and see what happens, but I did try 3 in succession and nothing improved.
that battery was probably has recycled parts in it you will never get fill use out of it i have a noco5 and have never had any problem with it
OK, this comment is like when one says my grandfather smoked 50 a day and never had a problem. The battery has second hand parts inside? I was trying to show with some measurements that the noco genius 5 did nothing to help that battery. I have not had a problem with the noco genius 5, it is just that it did nothing with reepect to the battery in order to repair any potential sulfation.
great job, thanks
Funziona bene la modalità riparazione???
Maybe for you.
hi Do you advise 12 volt 72 Amp. for one year new sulfated battery
Do you mean to try to resurrect the battery with the Noco? If that was the question, then probably no, it is not worth the price tag.
@@moremolecules thank you dear
Repeat the "repair " procedure, 2 - 3 times, again.
Thank you for the advice. I will try to do that and see what happens.
@@moremolecules let us know ☺
@@DioDellaMuerte I tried it 4 times in a row, i.e. full charge + repair and like that 4 times. It took me ~3 days to do, but nothing, the battery stayed at 77-79% state of heatlh and CCA ~690-700. It could well be that this is not reversible damage to my battery or this repair does not do much, well it is one of the two things.
@@moremolecules Thanks for the follow up.
Nothing wrong with that battery.
Hmmm, quite a few percent state of health, I would not say that is nothing wrong with it.
@@moremolecules Normal battery health there on this one. I can understand why we would think that and agree with your comment. Percentage of state of health on this battery tester is generated in software and not and actual measurement. Not accurate at all. The only true capacity test at this level is one which involves discharging the battery and doing math I’m afraid.
307 is fked different shi5.
OK...
you are supposed to do a full charge first , possibly force start .. and then when battery is charged you then do a battery repair ( rejuvinate) .. you did it the wrong way around mate .
Wow, I mean this comment is like you have not even seen the video and stated that I did it the wrong way around "mate". Fully charged @ 3:08 miniute of the video. How is that the wrong way around?
@@moremolecules the reason i know " MATE" is because i contacted them and they advised me that was the correct way .. and yes i did watch your vidoe .. and thats why i commented .. charge battery first .. then do the repair mate .. cheers .. your welcome !!
@@mjwello Did I ask how you know? It is in the Noco Genius 5 manual. I pointed to at 3:08 minute of the video where I charge it to full before doing the repair function. I only asked how that was wrong as per your original comment and how what I was doing was the other way around.
@@moremolecules fair enough i may have missed that .. but you didnt need to recharge again afterwards.. i had issues charging my boat battery hence why i contacted them .. that was the procedure they told me .. did not say anything about doing another full charge afterwards , and i had no further issues .
thats a neat foxwell meter by the way !!
A battery is usually under $200. Why not for peace of mind and safety just buy a new battery rather than trying to kick a dead horse and possibly get yourself hurt messing around with a tired battery that can’t hold a charge?
This was a proper brand new battery! I bought it in the shop. This video was to kind of show how "new" the new batteries in the shop are.
Or did you mean keep spending $200 until I hit a good battery?
That was the point of the video, you buy a "new" and in inverted commas battery, but it is not new and how do you know how new it was at the first place.
the real issue here that no one talks about is this - how to test if a battery is sulphated? don't just assume it is and then try to repair it.
Yeah, that is a tough one and I completely agree with you. Difficult to say when it is sulphated or some other problems.