Loki Zero Review: Finally, A Budget Handheld PC!
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- The AYN Loki Zero is finally shipping, so in this video we'll review this $249 handheld PC to see if it's a good fit for your gaming needs.
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Timestamps:
00:00 introduction
01:09 tech specs and pricing
03:10 unboxing and impressions
07:35 teardown and audio testing
08:25 comparison with Win600 and Steam Deck
10:12 Loki Control Center software
11:48 software setup
12:56 PC game testing
16:10 emulation testing (Windows)
21:40 emulation testing (Linux)
24:19 battery life results
25:34 summary (likes and dislikes)
27:43 conclusion
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I hope that the handheld optimized Windows version comes soon, because in it's current state, Windows 11 is singlehandedly holding back all handheld PC's software experience
Yeah with the proliferation of windows handhelds this year especially, MS has to start considering the mobile PC experience
Which is why I still prefer something with an integrated keyboard
yep.. windows OS is hampering these great handheld PCs
Seems unlikely to happen unless Microsoft release an Xbox/Surface handheld themselves. Probably better off hoping for better SteamOS/ChimeraOS support on the Linux side.
@@xommits known that they’re at least working on a handheld gaming UI. Might not make the whole windows experience better, but launching games after setup maybe?
The steam deck proved that we don’t need windows, they need to do something whether they make a device or not
I'm halfway through watching this vid and I had to come comment:
Usually when I watch reviews like this I'm skipping around trying to find the info I care about, or I'm groaning and saying "Get to the point! Oh my word I don't care! Move on! Get to the good stuff!"
This dude packs his info so tightly and efficiently I kept wanting to skip ahead but I couldn't because he was always saying something interesting, informative, and pertinent. No tangents. No rants. No forced jokes or anything. Dude just gets to the point and stays there the entire video. Dude LIVES on the point. That's why I'm subscribed. He is the best tech reviewer I've ever found, bar none.
RGC: Living on the Point
It feels amazing to chill on a sunday morning and watch retro game corps ❤
Amen 😌
Indeed!
For me, I just got home from a long day at work. I am happy to sit and relax to his review
So true!! Something about Russ' videos makes them feel comfy like Saturday morning cartoons
Yep! It's a wake n bake morning for me lol. Always enjoy Russ' videos!
Microsoft is sitting on a gold mine here, imagine making the Xbox os but for handhelds, smaller windows with Xbox apps integrated something like that, every non Linux handheld would use their system anyways, imagine this is how Xbox makes a breakthrough in Japan Wich is big with handhelds!
Nah, piracy is better. XD
@@ramonandrajo6348Why not both? Just make a windows light removing all the bloat and done
@@TheUltimateHacker007 That would be nice, I guess, but the problem here is Microsoft; that's the thing.
Microsoft slept on handhelds for too long, and the prototypes they’ve been playing with are Xbox ones. Valve seized the opportunity, and now PC gaming in Japan has grown substantially. I hope that when the Xbox handheld comes out in Japan (and frankly everywhere else), it will get its rear handed to it by the SD. Would serve Microsoft right for neglecting handheld PCs the entire time.
Thanks for this review Russ, exactly the insights I was hoping to get, looking forward to your Loki Mini Pro review, the specs to price point ratio on that upcoming device look like is going to hit a real sweet spot in the market.
I never thought about the Zero as a top notch PC handheld, or even as yet another emulation machine; since the time I bought mine I've been waiting for a way to play my indie PC games or the old ones I got from GOG, and I'm glad to see in a few weeks I'll receive exactly what I've been expecting.
8mo review?
I really love your channel and vids. Your vibe is so refreshing in this space. I often find myself watching vids on things that I don't even plan on buying!
Still waiting to hear about the mini pro 🤞 but I'm glad to see all the other models finally rolling out. Hopefully they can pull back the curtains soon 👍 thanks for the great informative videos Russ ✌️
The win600 was one of my favorite devices of last year, due to easy ram & ssd upgradability. Also surprised me how well it handled games by changing the configuration and ram. It just gave surprising results.
Pe4fect device for 360 Era games
Yeah, the win600 was and still is great. I loved the video from Taki where he said tons of negative things about the the win600 in the first 20 minutes and then showed 10 minutes of perfect gameplay and emulation, lol. It played everything he threw at it.
Another good thing about the device is that it can output display via DP and you can play games on a bigger screen. You can also connect BT mouse and keyboard and perform some light work, browsing the web, watching movies ETC.
So much to like about this unit - really nice size and the price is very attractive. I think the performance is good enough for doing most emulation and light PC gaming, but it's an old CPU and I'm more inclined to wait and see if they can make a unit at the same price point using a more contemporary CPU. I think adding just a bit more horsepower would make a unit like this so much more enjoyable and useful to use.
problem is the standard Loki will crap all over this and be the same size. That has a 6 core Zen 3 CPU and 6 CUs. RDNA2 GPU so steam deckish. Bit better on the CPU front bit worse on the GPU front. So for emulation will crush the zero and will be decent for AAA PC games upto 2017/18ish and just more flexible.
Is it actually shipping? I cancelled my pre-order after a year.😢
@@milescarter7803 I order the loki 256 2 weeks ago and got it in a few days.
What do you want? Play AAA games at 1080p 120fps for only $250? Man, even on desktop PC that's impossible...
@eaglemmoomin_418 it will also be more expensive and out of reach for many people who can afford this system. The real competition is with the android handhelds at this price point and it's actually really stiff. Depending on the soc an android handheld can do better then this at emulation and now even play some of these old windows games with winlator.
Excellent video Russ, thank you!
Please try out a SteamOS-like OS, such as ChimeraOS, Bazzite, etc. Emudeck and Retrodeck both work on these operating systems, and should also be able to do TDP control with the correct Decky Plugins.
Those OS won’t work with Intel apu
@@THEGREATGUILLERMOThen it's a good thing this has an AMD....
They made it work for the max as i have it on my max. I think it should work on this as well
@@THEGREATGUILLERMONeither on Cyrix and Transmeta :(
@@THEGREATGUILLERMO Intel apu?
Been waiting for this review!
Great review as always, how Ori, Ori sequel, Tunic and Dredge perform on Loki Zero ? Battery life to expect ?
Amazing video review by Russ as always. Handheld looks great. 😊
I had a win600 for a bit and found the performance to play windows games and emulate was quite good. I think a smaller and more affordable steam deck alternative could be fantastic.
I love the steam deck, but my god is it big. Really excited to for something with similar power that's closer to the size of the switch. Probably just a few years away.
I actually love having the sticks bound to the back button. It's dumb you can't change that, but I've found binding the R3 and L3 to other buttons lengthens the lifespan of the joysticks greatly.
Can it be done on other AyN devices, like odin?
They aren't mapped to anything on the odin. So yes.
I also, was impressed with the Win600, for what it was. I had actually gotten my Steam Deck, finally, right after I got my Win600. The only thing I was disappointed with was the lack of external expansion, a*k*a micro sd card slot. It's been over a year & at that time, I didn't think the pricing was that bad. They offered preorder discounts & went on sale quite often. Now the Loki Zero, definitely destroys it in every way, despite having the same processor, includes expandable memory & the price is perfect, in my opinion. With that said, I think, or at least I hope, Anbernic knocks it out of the park this time around, with the upcoming Win701!
My Loki Mini Pro finally arrived yesterday. I still need to get it set up, but I can’t wait to start playing it on it this weekend.
Great review! Honestly, the Steam Deck is still tough competition for other handhelds. This seems like a solid choice if you haven't yet jumped into the handheld market, though, sometimes it just seems better to wait and see what comes next. Steam Deck may not be the most portable but Valve really set the bar incredibly high! 2023 is slowly coming to an end, so I can't imagine what will be next in the 2024 handheld market!
Do emulators run on Steam OS?
@@basedsoothsayerYep. Just about every system either through retroarch or their own emulator.
@@basedsoothsayeryes they do
@@basedsoothsayerEmudeck
@@basedsoothsayerold comment, but yes, absolutely. This channel has a ton of videos about emulation on Steam Deck
I think the loli zero would've been perfect if your unit had came with a 720p display. I don't understand the need to keep everything at 1080p as a standard for handhelds if the hardware can't keep up.
They were having issues/taking time with interfacing the display (one of the reasons I canceled my pre-order after a year). So I assume to actually get them out the door they just yeeted them all with the same display. I didn't know they were going to do that with the screen; the 720p display was one of the only reasons I was interested in such a weak system (I had a SteamDeck already, wanted something for emulation and older games, something cheaper, but the steamdeck is not even that much more expensive now, $319 used)
Stop looking at Loli stuff, and your phone won't autocorrect to it.
Great video as always Russ. super excited to get my Odin2 to emulate PS2 and GC more consistently but switch emulation is a nice bonus!
I hope we see more entry level handheld PCs like this, it would be great if Asus or Lenovo brought out more portable and budget friendly offerings instead of only top end devices. And if Microsoft could give us a handheld and more lightweight version of windows to go with them it would be the icing on the cake.
I want something portable and affordable that lets me play the indie games in my Steam, Epic and other libraries, plus emulation, while I keep those modern AAA titles for my gaming laptop or home console. These expensive, heavy, battery-draining handheld PCs coming out hold no interest for me.
Still waiting on my Loki Mini Pro to ship. Bunch of games on Gamepass that I want to play but think would be better on handheld, like Chained Echoes and Sea of Stars
Almost 1am and I got a good buzz going while I play my mini pc/batocera set up…. And then Russ drops another vid!
I actually don't know why I even watch reviews of devices I don't want to buy, but I love your reviews! 😁
Hey RGC,
Could you do a comparison video between the Loki Zero and the Anbernic RG405M. I love the size and build of the RG405M, but am now torn that Loki Zero is only $80 more, has more game accessibility (steam access) and may be more of an emulation powerhouse. I am curious how they compare:
side by side
in feel and form factor
using their out of box OS
in hardware differences
with ease of serviceability
in battery life
regarding emulation capabilities
Thanks for all you do. You are my go to handheld channel. And I have enjoyed learning snippets about your journey in life. Thanks for serving.
1. Will you be doing a win600 / loki zero / loki mini pro performance/power usage comparison?
Should have tried some of the same older (early 2010s and older) 3d games that was used for the win600 review.
2. Some people mention their loki come with a pre calibrated icc profile to choose in windows color management, does any of your loki has them?
3. Why are you switching between vulkan/dx11 during your emulation test even within the same system (e.g ps2)?
Does vulkan gives issue for some games?
4. Is dreamcast/n64 not possible at 1080p? Why opengl for those tests?
The windows psp result really off as well, why not stick to vulkan for all testing and only use dx11 or opengl (worst on amd) when vulkan don't work properly?
I'm low-key impressed by this
Some of the results are really all over the place, did you install the latest amd driver and make sure no windows update or defender scanning was taking place in the background?
And why the switching between vulkan/dx11 and even opengl for the emulation testing?
I'm STILL waiting for the Ayn Loki Mini Pro!!!
Hi Russ, I was really looking forward to his one. Perfect size, i find myself travelling without my Steam deck, which is too large, and I only use it at 4-6w, because I only play lighter games on the go. I have a laptop with an Athlon 3050u gpu. That is a pretty good and cheap machine (I paid 174 usd for it) and it came with 8/256Gb/HD config. I added +4gb ram, but it is still too laggy for Win 10. So I use it with MX linux, even for gaming. I can recommend this config for playing the Beat Hazard series, Caveblazers, Brotato, Vampire survivors, NFS Carbon, Dirt2, Bulletstorm, the Deponia series, Rayman Legends+Origins and even the legendary Open TTD.
And yes, it runs Crysis.
just for reference, have you tried ryujinx instead of yuzu for switch emulation? i ask that because i found that amd apus usually perform drastically better with ryujinx than with yuzu. i had a ryzen 7 5700g and with yuzu everything was unplayable no matter how much i tweaked it while ryujinx actually managed to run at a somehow stable 25/30 fps on botw with very little tweaking.... if you haven't would it be too much to ask for you to test it when you have the time? thank you for your awsome content and for your eventual reply!
I'm happy I went for the RP3+ at the time. First I got it earlier and enjoyed since, second, I would have been dissatisfied with both, for higher tier emulation, which would have pushed me to buy the Ally as I did. But, coupled with the RP3+ instead of the Loki Zero, I spared $100!!
Finally someone doing a video of the Loki Zero!!! Been looking for videos for months but NOTHING!!!! I wanna see what this thing is capable of!!!! Plz test games like MW2 2009 or Burnout Paradise and GTA 5 and such, i really wanna see those!
Excited on your next review -
Loki Mini Pro AMD!
Thanks for testing FZero GX !
I got mine a week ago. For $199 early preorder, free 8gb ram along with free 128gb rom and 1080p screen upgrades, it's pretty nifty. I've gotten nearly everything I've thrown at it to 'playable', with settings too butchered on some AAA PC games to read text, albeit with terrible battery life. It's great or emulation (up to gen 6) and indie gaming, it has a place in my handheld arsenal.
Waw I hesitated because I did not trust their shipping that's exactly what these devices are for imo though Indie gaming.
@@akeemmorrison2589 I'd say it's a pretty niche use-case for sure, as even cheaper Android handhelds can be had for emulation.
Oh wow $200 ??? That’s a steal
Q3 preorder is not 200 and the upgrades aren't free. So this is cap.
$200 i can see the value. Any higher referb steam deck is the best bang for the buck.
hey russ did not see in your video comments about the feeling of heating the console. One of the aspects that bothered me the most about win600 was the heating of the screen and part of the console's body. could you say something about it on loki zero?
Yes we need more of these.
You made a great point about it being more compared to the Switch. In my case, the modded Switch is just unbeatable in this range. It would be good to see comparisons of Switch ports and PC games on here like NBA 2K23, Doom Eternal, Dark Souls, and Witcher 3. The Switch has watered down ports for these, but still assuming it's better than playing these games natively on this device.
Switch games that already have native versions tend to not work on emulators
nice video as always =). will you be doing anything with the gpd win mini anytime soon?
one of the first handheld pc's that has caught my eye
Hi Russ! How did you set up your performance overlay? Is it using Afterburner/Rivatuner or some other app?
Love the copper heatsink
The inconsistency is likely due to single channel memory. I suggest populating the second slot with 4 or 8 gigs of memory to enable the Dual Channel configuration. Gaming performance really improves on dual vs single channel.
This review is the 8 gb configuration, which is dual channel.
Exactly! The effect of double channel ram is not that big, btw
AMD benefits a LOT from higher ram speeds and the fact that it'll run at 2400Mhz will just bring everything down, they should have beenrunning at 3200Mhz
Here in Italy we use a trick when buying something from china to avoid import taxes. If you can talk directly with the seller just ask him of he can label the package as "gift". In this way no taxes Will be applied.
Will try this next time
Awesome as always Russ, love a good long RGC vid. Question: what is your favourite drink and snack?
I drink a lot of kombucha (I used to make my own before this channel took up so much of my time!), and I'm a sucker for Funyuns or pistachios.
@@RetroGameCorps From Ireland here but lived in the US for a few years, love Funyuns! If you are ever in this part of the world, check out Tayto Onion Rings. In my humble opinion, marginally superior to Funyuns. Plus they have a giant spud as a mascot.
Hello, anyone have any idea where to download the Loki Control Center app? I had to uninstall mine after it got corrupted from downloading the newest version.
we truly are in the golden age of handheld pc's right now
not yet. if AMD starts 2nm or 1nm nodes on their APU which i hope more efficient and soon. that would be the real golden age
I'd say more like a war of attrition era of handheld, where most company just dump out handhelds after handhelds with only a bit better spec, but hundred dollars more expensive. Sooner or later most of these companies will go bankrupt because they don't want to buy their 10th 7840U PC that's $1200 and will be forgotten in 3 weeks
@@qwerty6789xthey can do 0.5 or 0.25 nm whatever, the games are just gonna get heavier and youll still never match the arm efficiency..
@@bulletpunch9317 the problem with PC in general is the Windows OS. look how Steam OS handles their game. its not perfect but somehow a bit efficient. I have ROG ally the CPU usages randomly Hits 70-80% while idle or doing nothing
@@bulletpunch9317
Spouting about ARM advantages don't mean much until they can handle higher end games or the underlying system can utilize them.
And yes, I tried games on phones (ARM CPUs), and they are not keeping up in the slightest.
Shipping is a disaster - bought my Odin pro 2 years ago, and I was hoping to play it while waiting for the steam deck delivery, and steam deck came two month earlier, Odin is a powerful and lightweight device that worth the wait however there could be ton of devices came out that are better consider these consoles take a year or so to ship. In retro handheld time is really the biggest factor. Consider getting a brand new 2021 car in 2022(when 2023 is around)😂
Nice comparison of consoles there. :P
23:51 You did something in the Win600 video in Batocera that made Windwaker HD go from that to playable.
I am intrigued.
I play mainly indie retro inspired modern PC games, so this would be perfect for my use case.
Good review. I just happened on this channel today (and I subd). Have a great day!
How does the feel of the smudgy back plastic compare to the x55? I like the x55 but find the plastic feel a really distinct minus.
I hope more companies follow this example :)
Also if we get a even more efficient processor that would be a plus. It could compete with some Android handhelds for being less suck and able to play PC games natively without Hangover or Exagear (eww).
Which one? Low performance route?
which? delaying products for more than 9 months?
I love this channel.
So 6-8 watts plays good and averages about 3 and a half hours at 60 fps which means that with 30 fps and 40 hz enabled is it possible that it would average 6 hours or 5 and a half? If it can this is still a pretty good handheld pc for games like mario and 2d games like hades or ps1
@17:32 you seem to be running God of War in DX11 mode? Surely PPSPP would run better in Vulkan mode with its AMD APU?
I got a loki mini pro with the 7320u chip. I'm curious what someone like you would think when comparing to the steamdeck.
Nice video! I am looking something to play while traveling, and I could do local co-op while on the road. I only have PS5, so I would be buying into a new ecosystem. Nintendo Switch or handheld PC?
Does this device is shipped with Windows 10 or Windows 11? I'm worried for the long run when windows has to be fresh installed for better performance and I lack of knowledge on the software that comes with the device from stock.
Thanks in advance! I'm really into it but not 100% sure yet to get it.
So super light or ancient 3D PC games along with emulation that is on par or slightly better than something like a Retroid Pocket 3+?
anything below 2013 pc 3D gaming should work fine with this chipset
I like the lb/rb bumpers. The ones on the steam deck are my biggest complaint because they are too small to be able to easily click with my middle knuckle of my finger the way I do with a regular controller.
Pity they couldnt do the Mendocino processor at this price - it would be a lot more interesting and give a ligher weight alternative to the SD.
ad 7$ price diff they ask 100+ for iit
If the Loki Mini Pro was atomic purple, that would be the one I'd get
Will it runner Killer Instinct on MAME? If so, what else do you need?
looks neat!
Would be nice as an entry-level handheld and computer combo if you don't need a lot of power.
Adhere a tiny piece of foam where the triggers are stopped inside the case for sound suppression.
@retrogamecorps is there a way to find out when these will be back in stock?
The Nuphy keyboards in your thmbnails always catches my eye (probably because I use the air 96 myself).
Russ what is the overlay app you are using?I have the Ally but wouldn't mind the customization offered by the one you are using.
In relation to Linux, have you thought about trying something like ChimeraOS?
I’m using a combination of MSI Afterburner and HWinfo to make the overlay, it’s kind of a pain to set up properly but I really wanted to show the battery data in this video 😎
Yes, ChimeraOS would be another excellent option, I need to try it out!
Hi sit, i'd like to play ps2 and switch games well on a handheld. What AYN console can you suggest? Or any budget consoles you can recommend.. Thank you sir...
20:44 how can you do that sit with mario without shaking the console? How did you put shake on a button??
you should make merch with the question "is it hadouken-able" or something like that.
I love this video
One reason I'd like to try an x86 portable is to use Discord to talk to friends while I play. I wonder how strong the wifi is and if the dual-core CPU can play 2D games while running discord? Probably can.
That Pro Mini looks much better though. I don't know what the CPU is but it seems to be a 7000? Which is better than the more expensive Loki model (?)
Can i ask why you were playing games like sea of stars at 1080p when the screen only goes up to 720p?? Arent u using more power for little difference?
Thanks again for testing my favorite game, Risk of Rain 2
I'm running Batocera on my Loki Max. If anyone knows how to correct the screen rotation in Jelos, Id be super thankful. While fanspeeds can be adjusted in the bios settings, tdp control is the only feature I'm missing in Linux. Jelos sounds like the best of both worlds, but the screen needs the correct orientation.
Hello, I like your videos, I bought my Ambernic RG353M thanks to your test and I don't regret my purchase. It is my second emulation console (after a psp I've cracked) and I am very happy to play dreamcast and atomiswave fighting games in handheld mode.
I'm thinking of buying one more powerful, to emulate ps360 games (PGR4 is one of my favourites, but it's hard to emulate it perfectly, even on pc). Will you test the Lenovo console ? On the paper, it seems great...
Great review bro! Thus is awsome maybe i can get one for my gf
Good to see a deviceas cheap as this doing well.
I like this. I already have a solid laptop for AAA titles so having something for easier games and emulation would be perfect. Is it shipping more quickly now? Or would I also have to wait a year? 😅
It still written "pre-order" on their website. So maybe a few months?
@@RoastedMarshmelon it say you can buy
@@MrCcfly True, I see they changed it now.
What software are you using for the overlay when testing PC games?
I really hope that we’ll be able to see a Lenovo Legion Go review soon!
Unfortunately they haven’t reached out, so I will likely get mine the same time as everyone else who buys it.
@@RetroGameCorps that’s bad marketing from them because the legion go could probably be the ultimate hybrid “dock/handheld” emulation machine, even better than the deck and they are missing out on a lot of exposition here…I’m still looking forward for your review of it eventually tho
I want this solely to play my Doom mods on the go. I may start thinking about saving up.
How is it that this thing seems like it can hardly keep up with the retroid pocket 3+ for emulation? The T618 only has a single core score of like 1100.
Seems like Odin Lite is still better for retro gaming? Or?
But could you play big AAA in the low settings? Even if it's last a few hours from steam?
If it does come back in stock, refurbished Steam Deck 64GB models are $320, just $70 more than this. IMO it makes all the more sense to jump to that, you get a better user experience software wise and far superior HW. Not to say this device isn't cool af, at $250 for a handheld gaming console, its awesome!
Word 💯
Hey Russ, any chance you'll do a Tutorial of installing ChimeraOS on Loki Max?
Hi Russ, do you know of RetroBat? This is a emulationstation based frontend running on Windows
this is what I want from a gaming handheld, this size is perfect... now all they have to do is make it an oled display, 1080p and make it a zen 1 cpu.. im waitting for that
If this is what you are looking for then get an Android, it will emulate all of the games he played but literally ten times better than this joke
Please do a review on BSP-D7(the next generation of the bsp-d3 that you reviewed on)
We need a Loki Zero vs Win600 comparison video.
I would definitely be curious about the results. That would show whether the single channel RAM is really a significant bottleneck, and there are other differences like cooling. I suspect the Win600 has more aggressive cooling since it's not particularly quiet.
Also, I was surprised with the Wii U Batocera performance in this video, because it seems worse than the Win600. I'm not sure what's up there.
EDIT: Also, the RAM on my Win600 is 16gb of 3200 Mhz at CL18. The RAM on this Loki Mini is locked to 2400 mhz and probably CL22. So despite being dual channel, it might not be definitively faster. Lots of things I'm curious about for a comparison.
@@harleyn3089 From my experience with my 3 mini PCs, going for single to dual (to be exact 64 bit memory bus to 128bit memory bus) should give anywhere from 0% to over 50% improvement in typical GPU constrained situations (unless you are talking about very weak integrated graphics paired with the fastest ddr5 ram, where single channel memory bandwidth already exceeded what the GPU can use), but 20-30% should be the most common. Really depend on the game and the different graphical settings used in the game, might not help much emulation though, except maybe increasing the resolution for lower end systems.
You can check out Taki 's review for the win600 where he shown some good examples of how much/little dual channel can helps.
Where did you get confirmation that they locked the memory speed in the bios for this Loki Zero?
The tests results in this video is really all over the place, definitely something wrong with the drivers/settings or something running in the background for the windows test.
No way this device cannot even run GoW PSP at 1x and the batocera results prove it.
Really strange for dx11 and opengl to be used over vulkan for alot of the emulation tests as well.