Aston Martin DBS - Busting the Porsche 997 Turbo S Myth!
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- All my friends are fanatical about Porsche, I love it too.. BUT there is more to cars than just sticking with one make. Other cars have lots to offer too. Here I make my case on why if you have £80K you should consider this Aston Martin DBS as a much more interesting alternative!
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Julian Assange does cars now?
I’m normally totally impervious to insults .. like water off a duck’s back. BUT I absolutely HATE Julian ASSange. I therefore challenge you to a duel sir, in front of the Ecuadorean embassy!!
I had a DBS Volante and as a GT car it was stunning. I did a 2,500 mile European road trip in 2018 and it delivered in spades. Rewarding to drive, easy to cover big miles without having all your bones and joints ache, it is stunning to look at, the V12 sounds glorious and it was 100% reliable.
I had a gen 1 997 turbo. Agree with your analysis completely. Might have held on to it if it was a manual, but it was a tip, which was not as exciting to drive. No matter how much power a car has, one eventually gets used to it. Takes something extra to make one want to keep a car long term.
You the nail right on the head.. power gets old very quickly without more substance!
i did the same swap back in 2017, swapped my 997.1 turbo for an auto dbs just like this one. (best decision ever) the keyword out of this entire video is reward, this car is a reward to drive, unlike the daily usability of the 911
I currently own a DB9.Previously I owned a 911 Turbo,and a Nissan GTR R35.I will die owning an Aston Martin,happy.
the dbs is stunningly beautiful! what a car!
I agree. The DBS really does have soul in spades. And the passive/aggressive looks combined with that sound are winning factors.
Thanks for watching Chris! Still enjoying the Alfa?
Aston Martin all day long Jack, pure class! Great video as always
Thanks buddy!! 🙏
Really cant go wrong with a v12 manual, would prefer mine in the Vantage platform.
Me too vantage V12 is the best car Aston made imho ( I had a vantage V8 - good but not close )
Totally agree with you guys!:)
For those on a tighter budget (lets face it, thats most of us) I recommend a DB9. Well maintained, low mileage DB9's in good condition can now be bought for substantially less than half the £80k budget talked about in this video. And you still get that glorious 6.0 litre V12.
Lock down gives me the chance to review you videos, top marks, love the DBS.
He is 100% right. I sold my 1999 Porsche 911 convertible for a mint 2003 BMW Z4 convertible and couldn't be happier. The Z4 is half the price and just as much fun.
Good review and great car to choose. 997 turbo or the DBS? DBS every day of the week. Just for beauty and engine. V12 Vantage next?
In my eyes the DBS is a timeless, elegant car and the gorgeous sound of the V12 engine is sending shivers down my spine. Pretty much the last chance to get one , since the V12s are very likely to be the first fuel-burning engines to die out in the near future. In terms of performance not a snowball's chance in hell against the Porsche (especially on a track) , but, as you mentioned , that's probably not the point anyway, if you fancy buying an Aston, since this is rather a classic GT and a gentleman driver's car than a sheer sportscar. Which one to choose? Hard decision, they are so very different but adorable in their own right. The alternatives you presented would not be an option for me though.
Thanks for watching buddy.. glad you also like the DBS!
My favorite youtuber is back!!!
This engine is awesome. In the V12V the rear breaks loose at 6k rpms...which makes it a blast as you rev it out! Nice review sir.
Thanks for watching!!
Yup, love the DBS and was fortunate to own a V12 Vantage which was better still in some areas. Glorious cars, very fast but much more than that too.
Nice to hear from you again Dr P!
Nice to see you back Jack!
Thanks!!
Great review - thanks. Would this still be your choice over a 997 turbo (if you had a daily commute car as well?). Any other alternatives you would add to the list? eg V12 Vantage?
I purchased a MY10 DBS Volante last Friday, love it! What a car
Enjoy it!!
Lovely Jubbly, always a great watch.
Thank mate!!!
Lovely car, Id pick the Aston any day. Funnily enough that Merc is about 15 minutes from my house 😂 Theyve got a GT-R sat there aswell
Having said that, I recently fell in love with the Lotus Evora 😅
What are your thoughts between 997 c 2 and a DB9?
I'd plump for a V12 vantage personally. Smaller and big engine shoehorned into the small footprint is always a winner. Manual of course Mr Bond, oh and in that sexy green AM are famous for with yellow or light blue lipstick 😜
More uploads from you please my man😉👌🏽
Too kind, thank you!!
Absolutely Awesome car and the last of a breed that will never be repeated.. Buy one now or forever regret it.
Hi Jack, I had a 2007 DB9 Manual, which is the softer version of the DBS and now own a 2008 997.1 Turbo manual. Both with around 25kmiles on the clock. I have to say the Turbo is the much much better car in many means. I love the tight cabin, and the kids seats fit only in the Turbo,not the DB9. Not to mention the real reasons like adaptive damping, better control of the car, the insane power to weight ratio and clutch durability 😅.
Had both marques - Stayed with Aston Martin over Porsche and Ferrari - its simply more satisfying in a lifestyle sense. People love AM on the street., not so much Ferrari and Porsche. That said, my daily is from AMG.
Cool, enjoy your Aston and thanks for watching!!
Good points. I do think the Aston is one of the most beautiful cars of recent times.
Yes do love these.. get one Jeff!!
The DBS over the Porsche any day of the week. Although I'd want one with the optional bucket seats.
Yes buckets would be lovely! Thanks for watching!
I just went through this process and considered I8, F type R, Merc GTS and went for a Vantage V12S, having sold my V8 Vantage which i loved. Sorry to burst the bubble but this is my only car, but most of the time I take public transport living inner city.
Well yes if you live in the city and can use public transport then that’s a bit like having another car! But nice this is your only one!
Really nice car, it takes buying the wrong car to know sometimes - I like the 2011 Virage as it was a ‘nothing’ car imo and didn’t fill a gap in the market. It answered a question no one asked 👍
Ha!! Interesting view on the Virage!
Great video friend.... !
What a stunner... There's no other option imo, DBS all the way. Just look at it! 😅
Such wise words. Just something about an Aston
Indeed!! Love these
Another great presentation, keep 'em coming. Maybe lower the cost prices a bit next time so more people can relate.
Ha!! Yes I just film whatever I can get hold of!
If I had 80 grand I would have the Aston Martin over any other car.
I’d much rather have the far more reliable 911! The DBS sounds heavenly but it’ll break down! I chose a 997 Carrera 2S over a V8 Vantage S with carbon pack etc.
Maybe the best competitor of the DBS is the 599 GTB(same era (despite the GTB has 100 hp more) V12 , same price point, same philosophy
True and massive omission on my part!!
Love the DBS, but the V12 Vantage would be the one for me, and at similar money, or less!
The thing with the V12 vantage, for me, is it's exactly the same weight as the DBS..so your sacrificing space, luxury and a longer wheel base for looks
I prefer options to alternatives. Alternative is either one or the other. Hence alternating current.
Otherwise, interesting review. I will continue riding with my Volvo 850 and RC onroad model cars ;)
alternative
adjective: alternative
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(of one or MORE things) available as another possibility or choice.
As much as I love the 997 911, I would take the DBS over one (being a Vantage owner, it's a natural route with slight bias). The DBS is a fabulous looking car, it won't lose much money from the current values (as you've alluded to) and it's a lot less obvious.
The Merc (also a Merc owner/fan here) is a great car, but it really is an awkward looking thing from the front. The Ferrari California, I've driven one and thought it was pretty good actually, just not their prettiest effort. Then there's the I8, yup, totally oddball! It's more of a flashy white good than a car with any soul. Despite its performance and the fact that it's a decent machine, I could never get over the fact that the ICE portion of its power train was a 1500cc 3-cylinder. All the noise it makes in the cabin is artificial. They're very interesting cars, but they don't seem to have any soul.
Re: 2 Mondeo V6 engines welded together; the only engine-related thing it shares with the V6 Mondeo is the design of the combustion chamber itself which is the same, that's it. Everything else is completely different. I think it was Chris Harris' drive of the Vulcan that got everyone discussing this following a comment he made about them being 'welded together' which is essentially what the V8 engine is/was in Triumph's Stag (2 Dolomite engines sharing the same crank and block). This is totally different.
Great review, enjoyed the video!
Hey thanks for watching and for the interesting commentary on the cars!
At 85k your into a 991 turbo now...at that price it's a better car for sure. One thing you cant get away from is the DBS looks and engine. Beautiful
Terrific show!
And if you'd be so kind as to share info regarding your
Smartphone window mount,
I'd be grateful.
It looks to be a tidy piece of kit.
Hey thanks!! I can’t remember where that one was bought.. sorry!
“You’re a classy guy” Can’t believe you didn’t do this video in your Jimjam trousers?!?
Good point. Missed opportunity!’ When you coming up so can can something on the Volvo? I promise I’ll wear the jammies
With a stick shift! Yes!
well no bombshell there really, who wouldnt ...... .:) the DBS is an icon of our time
Yeah, that’s it. Love the power rangers leg for the gear stick, haha.
i8 is also a pretty nice car. Think even a California would blow most people’s mind...
😂👌
I8 is a future classic for sure, looks awesome. 0-60 in 3 seconds. Only thing that puts me off is potential battery replacement?!
Me too!!
What I hate about AMs is the tacho revs counter clockwise, perhaps a minor criticism but it annoys me. Why does AM do that?
I bet the service cost on the AM is heaps more than the Porsche.
I guess the tacho thing is a marque ‘quirk’ designed to differentiate them..
@@Number27 You are probably right, one gets used to the idiosyncrasy, it just seems a pointless change without improvement. I have a 993 (and a couple of other old sports cars) so I enjoying watching your 964 stories. I think the best improvement I've made to my 993 was in the gear linkages, makes it much nicer to drive, once I get out of Sydney traffic 😎
Great car the DBS V12, but those bonnet vents look like they have been added by the local hot rodder rather than by a multi million dollar company with. They just add a slight cheapness to what is otherwise an amazingly beautiful and striking car.
Another alternative albeit cheaper, is a normally aspirated 997 GTS. Not wuite as extreme as the GT3 but more character than the Turbo and steering is not numbed by AWD if you get the RWD.
Yes agree.. the naturally aspirated 997s are better!
Great review and I love the DBS, nearly traded my V8 Vantage for one. Bit scared by the cost of carbon brakes and my previous experience of Aston dealers. I still might go there, but started seeing Vanquishes from £80k or so. F type SVRs are on my list too.
Great stuff, good luck in your search!!
What about a Camaro or Corvette as a Alternative?
Well said! The Porsche is like an Iphone well made, well designed but not “Special” enough. I would also add the last gen Vantage is an ever better looking car than the Db9/Dbs as its a little shorter in length. The only drawback with the Dbs or any current British car including Aston is the less than stellar reliability. No Porsche sounds as good though as any last gen Aston (Vanquish S sounds incredible!)
It's not about the sound, but how the car drives. The astonsdrives like rubber
@@zrzzezolo7134 wrong the sound is a huge part of the overall driving experience...
@@kevintaylor7837 Tell this to your grandson when they drive an electric car
proper and insightful review with opnion, please get together with other brands and garages and replace some of the tripe that youtubers with more subscribers provide us with. well done - please take a look and compare and contrast the daily drivers from amg and others....
Thanks for the kind words!!
What about the R8 V8/V10 with a gated shifter? The Coupe or Spyder probably goes in that price range quite well.
Yes sure, mentioned those in my other 997 video..
Austin a great car, but Porsche 911 turbo still has more pedigree with Performace and every day usability in complete package.
I have to be honest. I have always liked a Ferrari. There is just a certain sense of occasion when you drive one.
I enjoy your videos. 👍🏽
Thank you, very kind to say so!
Yep, a nice choice
Hi. Not sure why the xkr is never mentioned. Just bagged one for £13k. 2010. 5.0 ltr supercharged. Fantastic performance,ride and reliability. They seem to be under the radar. I’m 56....is it because of the old man image / stereotype 😀
True, good car that!!
A DBS is to die for ... looks amazing and streets ahead of a porker to me anyway. Proper GT car.
I agree to disagree sir, I have owned both and some other Ferraris and Audi but porsche 992 turbo S is the best car I have driven!
@@sanjaypatelmd4669 men are u really comparing a older car to a new one? Porshe is fantastic machine but doesn't have the sould and sound of an aston
@@adelinogoncalves1180 I traded in my DB9 and bought 458 Italia and 2017 added 991 turbo S , and now 992 turboS, I enjoyed all my cars but the best is porsche
When comparing different types of cars (sports cars, GT cars, etc.) it's worth mentioning that they were built for different purposes. GT cars (like the DBS) tend to be bigger, heavier, but more livable than true sports cars (like the 997). One being "Better" than the other is a matter of what the owner wants from the car. If you want something beautiful, rare and special, with an amazing sound and engaging driving experience, that's the DBS. If you want something smaller, lighter, and more sporting, get the 997. As for the comment about the V12 being "just two Ford V6s welded together," that's like saying the 997 is just a modified VW Beatle. The engine was developed in a collaboration between Ford, Porsche Engineering, and Cosworth as a V6 initially. Aston took the design to Cosworth, who used the basic architecture and created the V12 for the DB7 Vantage. Cosworth manufactured the engines for Aston Martin for the first two years, before Aston had a dedicated engine plant built on Ford's industrial estate in Cologne, Germany. The same basic design has been enhanced over the years, and in higher states of tune was featured in the Aston Martin One-77 and Vulcan.
Thanks for watching and for your interesting comment! I know the V12 is not a mosh mash of Mondeo engines.. was making fun of those who say it is!
On of my all time favourite cars - it's just so beautiful to look at and listen to.
Can I be Greedy Jack and have a Porsche and an Aston cracking video mate 👍🏻🎥👍🏻
Thanks buddy. Hope all good!
Number 27 yes Jack pretty good 😍
What gives this video its most real-world quality and worthiness-of-being-taken-seriously is that mobile phone on the windscreen mount,,,
NOBODY who owns/drives an Aston ever seriously uses that pop--up dashboard satnav screen as anything other than a show-off feature!!
Ha!! Indeed!!
Suggest you sort out the subtitles - eg @3.01 " ..this cars bends captain as well"
Apologies.. it has the auto generated subtitles. I’ve tried removing them but seems thats not working!!
Anyway, I still like the video, the DBS is remarkable. There are a lot of people who should stay away from 911's. For example in the plains of the US, there are no canyons, no twisty roads, everything is straight. A 911 would be pretty boring there
Just because cars share a similar price, doesn't mean they share similar driving characteristics. All the cars you're suggesting are vastly different. The DBS is a far superior GT car, but if you actually want to push a car in the canyons, on a rally, or on the track, the 997.2 Turbo S is in a different league. Frankly, many people who buy the cars on your list sell them and buy 911's.
One man’s meat is another man’s poison.
It’s clear a 997 turbo s is just not for you. For many & me who has owned one for 3+ years it’s in a different class of feeling, emotion and engineering.
0-60 Aston 4.3 vs Porsche 3.1 (actual 2.9 sec)
Legendary Porsche hydraulic steering feel
DB9 underpinnings vs a honed 911 chassis where Porsche engineers put everything they know into a Turbo S.
Depth of engineering Aston can only dream of
Depreciation in the same period the Aston lost £100k vs Porsche £50k & will continue to depreciate faster than the Porsche.
MPG - Aston 15mpg vs Porsche 25mpg
Servicing - Aston 10k miles £800++ vs 20k miles £450 Turbo S.
Reliability Aston vs Porsche
CO2 - Aston 408g/km CO2. Vs Porsche 268g/kg.
Porsche Turbo S last pure Porsche prior to VW
...But as long as you’re happy with your decision good luck.
Agree with a lot of what you say but you’re definitely wrong on depreciation, the Aston has done it’s share, rarity, V12, manual will ensure that it retains value bette than the numerous 997s sold! Thanks for watching!
I'm sure dozens of people told you this, but the 997.2 Turbo S with PDK, which you drove in the previous video, does not have the Mezger engine.
The phone holder 😅
Used to own this 2011 Aston Martin DB9…. Enjoyed it but I can’t compare this car to my 992 turboS….porsche is the best!
If I could ever afford one, I would never sell it or have it kept away. That would be my daily
Aston any day. Maybe the Merc. I8, no way, ever. Jag, no, Ferrari, probably not. Got to be the Aston. If we are totaly honest with each other, the power numbers and performance are irrelevant anyway. Firstly, whee can you use all the grunt? And, get this! I, for one could never make any of these cars go as fast as they are able. I am a very average driver, and I would be using it on the road. Any of these are so far above my capabilities it really wouldn't make any difference in the real world. So, for the event and the looks, yep, Aston Martin it is then. Thank you, you can deliver it whenever you are ready.
The other obvious options are the 570s and the R8V10+ at the £80k mark
Yep good points!
What about a Ferrari 430 ?
Good call..
James Bond or Steve McQueen?
True... Steve McQueen for me.. but he’d have to alternate on his cars a bit more
So I don’t have £80 nearer £50 max and I was looking at a Porsche turbo manual vs pdk and wanted your thoughts or maybe a 997 911 2s and then some mods.... I was going to hope after Lockdown there might be some keener pricing
Yes I honestly would not bother with a turbo unless you need something hat has that power for track days and so on. You get used to power quickly and then it stops being fun. Get a manual 2s...
Number 27 haven’t done track days but may start! I will keep going with the cheaper 2S!! I have my eye on a couple! So hard to keep hand under my lap to see what happens with prices ... once I make a decision I want to buy buy buy!!
Pro-tip...
Leave your coat in the boot or behind the passenger seat when filming!
I’m an absolute pro!
get both
If it’s anything like the Vanquish S or DB9 then no thanks. I’ve never been so disappointed in my life than when driving those. All about a supposed image with these
Any Ferrari Californias 2009-2012 have massive DCT failure risk. This is a well known fault and the only option is full replacement for half the price of the car!!
My friend instagram.com/cardoso.collector/ has a manual DBS with supercharger, just over 700hps, that car is perfect for the road, until today it was one of the best cars I drove on the road! Besides being one of the most beautiful cars ever made!
Wow,, must have been a monster!!
@@Number27 Yes, for sure, I love that car!
Nice car but the original DBS6 was much prettier, especially in fern green.
"De-cated"... so something that doesn't limit power and cleans up the exhaust is removed, for why? So someone thinking only of oneself can make a little more noise? What about those of us following behind that like to breathe clean air? Catalytic converters are a godsend, they gave us back the performance that was lost when clean air regulations were imposed.
Different cars. One is pure sport other is sporty GT.
The myth is that the Aston is a better choice. It's looks are okay but otherwise it is completely ersatz. If it wasn't perceived as British the majority of commenters on here lauding its praises would be trashing it as a characterless souped up Mondeo - which is what it is.
De-cat? Illegal? :(
To me the I8 should not be on the list...the Jag is decent and closest in heritage and design I would consider the Ferrari even with the Chrysler nav system and the high butt. The Mb looks good too but to me none have the Aston badge and the sound.
I8 is an interesting car though is it not? And pretty capable
Number 27 saw one at my local bmw dealer when it came out not a fan of really anything about it especially given the very high price (was more than a Vantage Gt at that time)
The name's 27, Number 27, licence to Thrill....
😂 .... licence to bore more like!!! But thanks!
but of course aston rebadged the car and brought out the following model with the same engine... and called it the Virage was it? looks almost identical and is cheaper...
ive driven one..and a merceded and a california. the merc and the california are amazing to drive, the mercedes is almost tooo quick, the ferrari wants you to drive it fast and is great fun, the dbs is none of that... its a cruiser, but an impact car. I agree with all you say...
Aston are ones for making loads of variations of the same model.. that’s because they’ve been short of cash for so long..
A GT? I’d look no further than a Bentley.
P-please......why has Aston Martin filed for bankruptcy seven times in its history? Porsche....zero times.
I had the i8 for a three day loan. Don't buy it. The car is a jack of no trades and master of none. It's fun for a giggle during the first 24h but then you will get bored of it very quickly.
Thanks.. have heard the same but something just makes me want one. Will have to try one again soon!
The DBS is sex simbol
Lmao 😂 no way is that better than a Porsche!!!! Bits of the interior remind me of my Ford Fiesta!!!! Shocking! How dare you compare that to a 911!!!
John Mitchell exclusive lmao 😂 it’s got ford parts fitted all over it!!!! Jag and Aston Martin with Ford parts lol 😂
@@MrBatwa Like Porsche with their VW overlords. You simply cannot critique the Aston without mentioning Porsche being one of the most diluted performance car brands on the planet
No chance! AM is tor toffs, my friend who likes to boast has one. Hate the interior but engine sounds good. Took him for. Drive in my Porsche 991.1 S2 with all the bits and blew him over! AM is great in the garage.
Find me a car that sounds better and that has a license plate on it. No really, find it...
Does sound amazing!!
If I had the opportunity to choose a car in the 80K range, I'd go for the Maserati Granturismo MC Stradale. Ferrari NA V8 engine (what a fantastic noise this engine produce! Like an angry lion stepping on a lego parts 😀), fabulous GT, timeless shapes of beauty, real back seats (well usable at least, not like in the DBS or the 911) So, yeah, my 0.2 cents 😎
PS
check this video with headphones on 😉
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Totally agree on the engine.. had a Gransport which I think has same motor.. absolutely loved that engine!
@@Number27 well the MC is more powerful, than the Gransport, bigger car for sure too. Will look forward to a review on that Maser 😎
I couldn't agree more. I bought a Maserati Gran Turismo S MC Line while I owned a 997.2 C4S. I couldn't justify owning the Porsche after a few months because whenever it came time to take a "fun" car, it would always be the Maserati. Yes, my 997.2 was a dynamically better car (the same point Jack is making regarding the Aston vs 911 Turbo) but the Gran Turismo has so much soul and probably one of the best exhaust sounds of all modern cars.