Who Were the Thracians Genetically? DNA evidence
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- Immerse yourself in the enthralling narrative of the Thracians, an enigmatic civilization that once thrived in southeastern Europe. Embark on a captivating quest to unravel the intricate tapestry of their genetic origins, exploring their fascinating connections to ancient civilizations and their enduring legacy in modern populations.
Reference: Iosif Lazaridis et al. ,The genetic history of the Southern Arc: A bridge between West Asia and Europe.Science377,eabm4247(2022).DOI:10.1126/science.abm4247
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Where is Myheritagedna results and other genetic stuff?
Greetings to Balkan people from Armenia.
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we are not BALKANS, we are H'lm (Helm, Hum) Peninsula. Balkan is turkish word.
@@lba6859 We are one family.
@@user-ui9em6zc2w and who told you this. Balkan is not turkish
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Това не е вярно. Не може Херодот да напише ,че траките са най многобройният народ след Индииците и в последствие да изчезнат, това предаване е вярно само 20 %.
I know a lot of people complain about the myheritage results not being accurate, but it's still fun to watch.
MyHeritageDna results are bringing additional interest to the video, please include into your next videos
Please add the myheritage test in future videos. I love your content
Too bad you didn't do the MH test as a capstone - like always. It's a tradition ;)
In genetic tests we can interpretate Balkans ancestry as thracian/dacian/Illyrian-like ancestry?
after all, the ancient Greeks were very good at the same language
they agreed with the Thracians
and considered them kin
In fact, they spent this in Greek mythology, where the Thracians have their own participation
in ancient Athens the Athenians especially honored the Thracian sacred ceremonies
I makedonci
@@panagiotis7946nuk kishte grek .ku e keni kexu fjalen grek ke homeri e te tjer.as qe ekzistonte fjala grek.
He said almost same dna like Myceneans so... I would say Thracian were basically just enother branch of Greeks. Also the map of today's population shows genetically close to Thracians are Greeks and Italians so....
@@user-zm8nb8pk4n it makes sense. But, at same time, the "Balkans ancestry" is too confusing to me. Greeks are partially related to other southeast european groups, however the Slavic migration during the middle ages changed most of the genetic pool outside Greece, so, I don't know if "Balkans ancestry" means pre-slavic ancestry or south Slavic ancestry.
love your channel
No channel give phenotypical details of ancient peoples
What a load of bull💩 the half Thracians population had to move from Thrace to Kosovo (Dardania), and the rest was taken to Greek Makedonia and made them Hellenies.
It would be very interesting to see a video abou the iron age people of northern Greece: Thessalians, Epirots and Macedonians
Hi Decimali. Please... Show us all myheritage results after update.. for all ancient samples it will be interesting
Do a video about the genetics of the average citizen from the Kwarezhmian Empire (The One Mongols destroyed). Becouse there is a debate if they were Turks or mainly Eastern Iranics
Turkic + iranian
Or
Iranised turks
@@Scythian_nomad But there is a debate, becouse most people think the majority of the population was Eastern Iranic, not Turks
The largest tribe of the Thracians is the Getae: the Gets. They formed the majority of the Odrisian kingdom. After Christ, the Gets started calling themselves Slaveni..., and after them the other Thracians too.
The Thracains did not go anywhere: today they are called the Slavs. In old times the first known name of Thraca was Area or Aria: this came from their mychical king Arei.
Getae/Gets is the Greek name of what the Romans called Dacians. Most Thracians were Latinized after the Roman conquest. After the Slavic migrations some of them were an important genetic foundation of the future Slavic nations,. In the places the ancient Latin element was stronger than the Slavic element, Latinized Thracians became in time Romanians.
@@ISPRI2011 Yes, this is the fake history of Eastern Europe written by Germans, Anglo-Saxons and Greeks /as their Trojan horse/ as a hybrid war technique. Or, no history, no present, no future philosophy.
Геты,готы ,мизи и мн.др. это тракоболгарские племена...
@@ISPRI2011😊😅😂BS😂😂😂There is no such resettlement of "Slavs". There is a return of the Thracian tribes to their lands, conquered by Rome. In the end, we expel them in the year 680. Constantine the Great is a Mysian. Something unclear?
In his work "On the Management of the Empire" John of Lydia mentions something very interesting. The old author says that when Constantine the Great left Rome (the beginning of the 4th century AD), by imperial decision, those forces that guarded Ister scattered across Asia, and the state lost Mysia and Scythia for its treasury because the "barbarians" made raids without anyone opposing them - (J.Lyd.GIBI II, c.101).
@@ISPRI2011 There is no such resettlement of "Slavs". There is a return of the Thracian tribes to their lands, conquered by Rome. In the end, we expel them in the year 680. Constantine the Great is a Mysian. Something unclear?
In his work "On the Management of the Empire" John of Lydia mentions something very interesting. The old author says that when Constantine the Great left Rome (the beginning of the 4th century AD), by imperial decision, those forces that guarded Ister scattered across Asia, and the state lost Mysia and Scythia for its treasury because the "barbarians" made raids without anyone opposing them - (J.Lyd.GIBI II, c.101).
Today's descendants of the Thracians genetically and culturally are mostly Bulgarians, Romanians and Thracians. A large part of the holidays in Bulgaria are from the Thracians - kukeri, nestinari and many others
Not really. You're just not that informed. The Slovenians have Kurenti which is the same as Kukeri. The similarly is to great to ignore and if one is Slavic the other Tracian people how come such similarities. Also, the Adriatic coast has the highest concentration of Haplogroup I2 in the Balkans. The only remnants of Old European stock.
@@gideonros2705 Get informed first, then make final comments. The numerous tribes of the Thracians were the first Indo-Europeans to inhabit the Balkans after the Neolithic. The Thracians are far more ancient peoples than the Slavs. The Thracians were the most numerous people in the world after the Indians, and this is according to Herodotus. It is no coincidence that the oldest gold treasures in Europe are theirs.
It is normal that the Thracians had a cultural influence on the peoples that followed them - Greeks, Bulgarians, Slavs, etc.
Today's Bulgarians and Romanians have about 20-30% Thracian genes
And even more, there is no difference between Thracians and Bulgarians because the Thracian language is Bulgarian. This has been known for some time but not popular. Slavs is only a language group not new people or culture. The name Slavs comes from Slaveni or glorious, the other name of the Getae that were known also as Scythians. So the Bulgarians have no other ancestors than the native Balkan people, called Thracians. Some of them migrated as Scythians and returned back. People can spread lies, but the language cannot be falsified. We speak the Thracian language. There is no better argument.
@@nikolainikolov4620 "Thracians" - is what the Greek Colonists from Anatolia called the Vlahs. Vlahia is from the southern tip of "Greece" to the northern border of "Walachia". The distortion of history was created by the Greek Colonist Bankers ruling West Europe during their so called "Renaissance Classicism". Greek Bankers like Kosmas (Cosimo) Medici decided that they need "Heroic Origins" to reflect their wealth and status, so they invented a fictional history of the Balkans, emphasising the Greek Colonialism.
@@julianpetkov8320If you knew that the origins of the Medicis are from ancient Lacedaemon you would also know that they already had a long and heroic history.The reasons they wanted to preserve history and the arts is because the rival clan,the Pazzi Bankers, would otherwise have destroyed it.(Check out the background of the Pazzi Bankers to understand WHY.)
I'm E-V13 from Brazil. My ancestors were Portuguese evidently. One of the possibilities of this father line is from Visigoths, who settled in Lower Danub and Balkans for some centuries. It can have other sources too (Crusaders from other parts of Europe, Genovese merchants etc).
Herodotus about the Thracians,The History of Herodotus, Vol II (Chap. 1): "...3. Now the Thracian race is the most numerous, except the Indians, in all the world, ..." But according to some historians the Thracians, the most numerous race, in Europe, have disappeared? At the same time tribes like the Achaeans which were one of the four major tribes into which Herodotus divided the Greeks, along with the Aeolians, Ionians and Dorians, obviously have survived the most numerous race - the Thracians?
Hmmmmm.......how convenient.
@@louiedobro3070 Just food for thought about the attempts to manipulate modern history.
@@borispresianski
Фракийцы не исчезли , многие современные жители Балкан происходят от фракийцев, например болгары и румыне
"Thracians" - is what the Greek Colonists from Anatolia called the Vlahs. Vlahia is from the southern tip of "Greece" to the northern border of "Walachia". The distortion of history was created by the Greek Colonist Bankers ruling West Europe during their so called "Renaissance Classicism". Greek Bankers like Kosmas (Cosimo) Medici decided that they need "Heroic Origins" to reflect their wealth and status, so they invented a fictional history of the Balkans, emphasising the Greek Colonialism.
@@julianpetkov8320 The vlachs are descendants of the Dacians who were closely related to the Thracians, however the name of the Thracians comes from an ancestral patriarch who settled those lands. You can find his name in the Old Testament 😉👌
Is it possible to check the Cimmerian?
Paeonians, Ancient Macedonians and Dardanians next! 🙂
i dont know how but the scythian helmets were extreme similar to tracian helmets
Bulgarian dream
@@Dalmenco ?
So, the mixture of groups resemble mostly Greeks and Italians (and Albanians according to visual map), and the dna resembles mostly Albanians, but in both cases the term Albanians was deliberately avoided, instead used the word other balkan people. Don't blame me, it is your speech, the haplo groups you mentioned, and your visual presentation. I am just pointing them out.
Traci- Raseni-Rasi. Pure proto-slavic people. letters and language is fact for this.
Sourh Albania is Greek inhabited
@@miodragon1Slaves did not exist in ancient years!😊
Albanians between Caspia and Black Sea, you mean, because this state named Albania, is Northern Epirus!😊
@@aokiaoki4238 its your imagination vs what dna test shows. southern Albanians dna test shows that 75% of the population matches dna test done to bones from early bronze age from the region of ancient Dardania. Also those who self identify as "Greeks". In some cases, such as the community in Dropull town, which identify as Greeks, the dna test shows that they are mostly of slavic origin. You can dream for whatever you like, but once again, it's your dream vs undisputed scientific facts (dna tests). You may hate it, you may not accept it, but it is what it is.
Thracians were Hellenes. They migrated before from the Arcadia from Peloponnese and those 3 extinct groups they come from were also the same ancestors of the rest of the hellenes. They were a bit more barbaric compared to the souther hellenes but they were surely hellenes. Even from those times, Hercules and other great mythical heroes, as also many other historical people lived some time there to the "northern edge of hellas" as writers wrote during 4th century bc.
Thracians are BULGARIANS!
Liar
Gahaha It is Tribu Ilirjan
why u have your name after a turkic warrior nomad tribe?
Most gladiators in early Roman republic were thracians. Spartacus was thracian.
My family tree is from the same mountain he came from.
Спартак был болгаротракиец...
@@user-kt3bq8uc8y He wasn't bulgarian he was thracian. Bulgarians arrived 1000 years later than Spartacus time.
@@ComboMuster Я смотрю,что ты слишком умный...😀У болгар самый древний титул КАНАС,КАНЕС...(князь) Болгары не тюрки...Ханов ищи у тюрков...
@@user-kt3bq8uc8y My friend Spartacus was THRACIAN, totally different from bulgarians who arrived in the Balkans 1000 years later.
Myheritage was updated to V2，Bro you can repost all videos again
Exactly what the modern Bulgarians are!
Research Vinca Culture. Oldest settling in Europe, Serbia.
Im italian from Abruzzo, and my DNA and genetic result is very similar to thracians and illyrians, much more than modern albanians or bulgarians ( this doesnt mean italians have thracians blood, only bulgarians have, it only means that their genetic made-up was very similar to mine ). I think that the balkans before the slavic migration were genetically italian/greek-like, and very close each others, while for examples the latins and the etruscans are closer to northen italians/southern french/iberians. We southern europeans are all big family and all the ancient european civilazations belong to us, they were OUR ancestors, from lyon to athens.
There is no migration, there are no Slavs. There is a return to the liberated lands. The Getae are part of the Thracian family and they are the first, who were called Slavs/originally Sclavi/
@@user-xc6co3ur2v yes that is, they re south-slavic people
Bulgarians and Romanians are direct descendants of the Thracians!
You are dead wrong
The only people on the Balkans to have any 'Old European' genetic component in high concentration are the South Slavs particularly those living at the Adriatic coast.
You should go read a book.
@@gideonros2705sllavet kan ardh ne ballkan ne shek..e 6---7
bulgar tatars are mongols from the steppes
Bulgarians inherited the Thracians
Thank you for the amazing and wonderful video showing the Thracian history very objectively in a nutshell. I can add that I have seen genetic studies of Bulgarians and all of them are related to people who lived in Bulgaria, Northern Greece and Serbia 5000 years ago. So the modern Bulgarians and of course all other Balkan people are indeed the descendants of the Thracians. Greetings and all the best!
Only the Bulgarians, Romanians, Moldovans and Macedonians are Thracians. The Serbs and Croats,etc are Illyrians. Some people are a mixture of Thracian and Illyrian.
@@ds-on4sm Serbians could be linked both to Illirians and Thracians (Gets) but also Illirians and Thracians are mentioned to be very close even the same people by some ancient historians.
@@nanculito Yes they were close like cousins but still separate. The Thracian language though is closest to Bulgarian being a Satem language from which other languages emerged. The Bulgarian language has Satem features as well and complete lack of cases proving how old it is while the Serbian is Centum and has cases. So only Serbs living in former Bulgarian lands can be linked with the Thracians. This is my point. The Thracian history is not linked with the Serbian nation. They should stop talking bs about Bulgarians and claim our history.
@@ds-on4sm yes, Serbian in East Serbia are actually Torlacs who were close relatives to Bulgarians, because they were part of two Bulgarian Empires in the middle ages. Genetic researches also notice the close relations between anciant people who used to live in east Serbia during the bronse age and modern bulgarians.
@@nanculito Agree. East Serbia belonged to Bulgaria, as well Northern Greece and Northern Dobrudja. Not to mention Macedonia. These people have a new national identity now and that's okay. What worries me is the Serbian view on history and the anti-Bulgarian propaganda and hatred. Before CZcams I had no idea how much they bs us. See the comments from the Serb below and his outrageous claims and you will see. Nothing against anyone otherwise.
The modern Bulgarians are the offspring chiefly of the Thracians, Slavs, and the Proto-Bulgars. The Thracians inhabited mostly what today is Bulgaria.
the old Bulgarians are the Mysians and the Getae. There are enough Roman chronicles to prove it.
And the old Bulgarian lands! That's the key!
There are no “Slavs” nor “Proto-Bulgars”! There are BULGARIANS! They are autochthonous to Thrace and live there since before the Ice Age as Thrace was one of the 3 enclaves in Europe (the other 2 are in Northern Italy and Spain) where there was no ice but fertile land and woods). Albania and Serbia was covered with ice, Romania was tundra! Thrace was free of ice. Even Mount Strandzha in Thrace was not covered with ice! That is why it is the geographical region of Thrace where the oldest Balkan population survived and from where it started spreading to the entire Europe! Their direct descendands are the modern Bulgarians. Bulgarians did not “come from Asia”. They are not “Turkic”. Actually, for 500 years Christian Bulgarians they did not mix at all with the Ottomans! Put your glasses on and see where Thrace is! It is neither in Albania, nor in Serbia, nor in Romania, and Thracians are the same as Bulgarians but not the same as Greeks who came from Africa as Danayan tribe.
@@goldliongoldlion5336 Yes, the Bulgarians also have a Thracian substratum, but the fact that the Bulgars were not Turkics but Thracians returned home is the same type of arrogance as some Hungarian nationalists who claim that the Royal Scythians were Hungarians, because it could not be otherwise. Probable inheritance from the Onogours they share.
Well, it seems that since the starting point is based on Indoeuropean Theory it cannot be accurate. Greeks were not a nation. It's a race that includes more than 300 "tribes". They descent from the Pelasgians which are the ancestors of what we know as Modern Greeks, Italians, Spanians, Armenians, Phoenicians, Persians and many more.
Well described!
But Hollywood will try to give that credit to AngloSaxons ! Beware!
And do you know the origin of pelasgians? Or the hyperboreans? Ancient greeks like the great Hesiod put their origin north of Danube in the carpato danubian space.Thats hyperborei axis,or polus geticus
Congrats on 10k subs
…Traci is a Bulgarian tribe.
Fascinating.
I found one paper published in Nature-Scientific Reports from 2019:
"Ancient human mitochondrial genomes from Bronze Age Bulgaria: new insights into the genetic history of Thracians."
In the results on page 6 it is said:
"Along the first component (sPC1) the ancient Thracians are closely related with Central-East European populations, while along the second component (sPC2) our samples show higher resemblance with present-day Mediterranean groups."
And in the discussion on page 7:
"In accordance with their geographical location, Thracians show a genetic composition clearly intermediate between East Europe and Mediterranean, that suggests multiple admixture events and population movements occurred across what is now the modern day Bulgaria. "
So, the contribution of East and Central European genetic pools is given by the 1st principal component (which, by the way, explains most of the data variance). This is in a full accordance with the linguistic theory of Mario Alinei and Collin Renfrew that Thracians were proto-Balto-Slavic speakers.
Kosovo Albanians are close to Thracians. As you can see the dominant y chromosome is E, from the tests you describe. Kosovo is dominant E. Proto Slavs don't have E. So whole your narrative is false.
@@lydhrabinojg9341 E haplotype is from the Neolithic farmers. The Indo-European language was brought by R1a...not by E. Thracian language is the closest to proto Balto-Slavic language. But even if Indo-European language was brought by Neolithic farmers, see what Collin Renfrew says in his book.
@@TheGarrymoore E and J2 are Indo-European, just see a map of Indo-European speaking countries. Had E and J2 been no Indo-European there was no reason Swedes, Islandic, Danes to name a few having it. Or Indians and Nepalis. It was in smaller numbers, but it was there. Had E and J2 been no Indo-European there was no reason Sweeden having it or Ireland. See haplogroup G which is not Indo-European is not present at all at countries we speak. In contrary where is Neolithic farmers there is G. Which means E AND J2 came with Indo-Europeans
@@lydhrabinojg9341 That is Collin Renfrew's theory. I spoke about Maria Gimbutas theory of Ind-European invasion in the chalcolithic. Again, in Renfrew's view, as well as Mario Alinei's view Thracians spoke "a language very close to the today's Bulgarian". So, proto-Balto-Slavic. Turn it this or that way comes to the same.
@@TheGarrymoore Todays Bulgarian is a dialect of Slavic Nothing to do with ancient Thracian. Ancient Thracians spoke a Balkanic language which was close to Illyrian. Slavs were not present at that time. First Slavs came to Balkans on 5th century. Majority on 7 to 9 century...
Disappeared?????????? No , you did not make a research!!! Immigrants from Bulgaria, Hellenized Thracians, live in Greece Thessaly , Macedonia and Western Thrace. Thracians had a language but all hellenized in 200 A.D. There are some Thracians who live in Eastern Thrace speak Turkish, and some in Bulgaria. In ancient times , we have many mentions Herodotus wrote about all tribes of Thracians he added Dacians and Getes in Thracian tree and migrated tribes of thracians as Paeonians and Kikkones with illiryans. That Paeonians were horse soldiers of the Alexander the Great Army. Thracians had big defeats in ancient times. Phillip II and Alexander conquered Thrace , but the biggest defeat came from Romans who killed as many people could , mostly Dacians. The Crimes of Romans were the worst in history, glory with much blood.
The region covering the provinces of Edirne, Kırklareli and Tekirdağ in the European continent of Turkiye is called the TRAKIA Region.
Yes, but you expelled the original Thracians from there who were Christians either Bulgarian or Greek! The Muslim Turks are descendands of the nomadic Seldjuc Turks who invaded Thrace. The locals were Christian. They did not convert into Islam and in 1913 were either killed or expelled from what is today European Turkey (Turkish Thrace).
Where are the simulated results on MH of Thracians?! 😊
we have so much to learn from history!
The Rascians
=The Serbians
The BULGARIANS!!!
Bulgarians are turks
We are Thracians and we consider our self's Greek
Thracians are not greeks
They are
@@sakanoeno No they aren't
@@nikolavukicevic9799 if someone is smart will search it and find the truth,please don't take all the shit from youtube for real
We consider ourselves BULGARIAN!!! Thrace=Bulgaria! Always and forever!
They have red hair
Wow 4:00 so much Yap+
Only peoples who had spoken Celtic, spoke Latin after being conquered by the Romans. That's because the two languages were mutually intelligible and people were able to make the transitions to classical Latin. Non-Celtic speakers, (Greeks, Arameans, Egyptians etc).continued to speak their own languages.
Bear in mind that the artefacts shown on this video are not found on Thracian soil and are not of Thracian origine. They are exposed in the archeological museum in Sofia but they originate from Macedonia , they were illegally diged by the Bulgarian occupators during the Balkan wars and the first world war !!!
Finally you did it omg
Thracians are Bulgarians - Arians!!!
Gibraltarians are arians too
Bulgars came in the Byzantine years
@@aokiaoki4238😊😅😂
Bulgarian came from the steppes at medieval ages...
@@panosgeorgedimitriou2290 Wrong answer, try again
Make one about dacia plz
"Thracians" - is what the Greek Colonists from Anatolia called the Vlahs. Vlahia is from the southern tip of "Greece" to the northern border of "Walachia". The distortion of history was created by the Greek Colonist Bankers ruling West Europe during their so called "Renaissance Classicism". Greek Bankers like Kosmas (Cosimo) Medici decided that they need "Heroic Origins" to reflect their wealth and status, so they invented a fictional history of the Balkans, emphasising the Greek Colonialism.
Good. How about ancient Athenieans?Ancient Spartans?
1:00 wearing an Albanian plis. Lol
The Bulgarians are the true descendants of the Thracians because even the Thracian language is Bulgarian.
The Bulgars were not turkic. This has been debunked. Check Encyclopedia Brittanica fot an update.
They were a powerful Scythian tribe of Balkan(Thracian )origin. The Bulgars established also Winchester( Venta Bulgarum),so they were mistaken for all kinds of people, also celts but were Thracians. The name Bulgaria comes from Thrace(Aria). We were known as the fir Bolgs in Ireland long before the existence of any turkic tribes. We are at least 4000 years older than the African greeks and Turkic nomads. Its crazy to link us with people who didn't even exist or were primitive nomads when we had a civilization.
The greeks being our closest neighbour have been stealing conveniently and freely our history and identity . That's how they made everything and everyone "greek" . Pathetic .
Ei 4000 ani ? 4 milioane 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️😛😛😛😛
Bravo!
For a group of people who spoke a Indo European language and practiced customs similar to other Indo Europeans, you would not expect them to be greatly ANF in ancestry and to be paternally West Asian/North African.
Yeah well mestizo and indigeneous peoples f americas speak spanish and hindu australoids speak an indo european language as well. Its called cultural conquest and assimilation bud. It has happened all throughout history.
The three components (Ancient Anatolian farmer, yamnaya, and Hunter gatherer) is the admixture of all modern Europeans. Different European ethnic groups have differing amounts or might not have one of the three but generally speaking Europeans are this admixture. My dna is very similar to Thracian. My maternal lineage is French, German, and Irish with haplogroup T. My paternal lineage is Italian and Greek with haplogroup G. Both haplogroups are very much associated with the first farmers in Europe. Usually Europeans are yamnaya dominant but Sardinians and others are majority farmer.
@@BaltimoresBerzerkermtdna hapgroup T like mine and im romanian from south Romania.
These thracians are the people that lived under the Black Sea before it was flooded.
They are the oldest european coulture and the proto indoeuropean.
They civilised the yamnaya and you see the massagetae ( thracian coulture) spreading thracian language into India.
Sanscrit is thracian.
@mihaiilie8808 indeed. I've only recently got my dna results so my research just started. But from what I've read haplogroup T is associated with the oldest proto cities in Europe. I can't remember all of the culture complex names but I'm referring to ones like Vinca. There's a few of these very ancient and advanced cultures our haplogroup is associated with. I'll look in my history Playlist and share them with you if you're interested. It'll be later tonight though, it's my daughters 2nd birthday today.
@@BaltimoresBerzerker Happy Birthday to your daughter!
You just look on mtdna haplogroup T and you will see how this haplogroup literally got out from under the Black Sea.
Black Sea was flooded 12000 years ago when a giant canadian lake drained into the ocean( lake Agassiz).
Plovdiv is the oldest city of Europe, older than anything greek or ancient egyptian.
True Indo-European
Indo European classification is about classification of the language, not DNA/race..nowdays Indians are also Indo-European
Yet, they have a Semitic haplogroup.
@@dimkit9714 you have to specify "Indians" because it's a nationality, not an ethnicity.
@@jostnamane3951 well, ethnicity comes from the Greek language and nationality comes from Latin, ethnos (in romanization) means nation...in any case all descendants of ancient Indians, irrespectively their religion, speak languages that belong to the indo-European group
@@user-ct7wj8vu2h
Гаплогруппа E1b1b очень древняя и имеет разные ветви , некоторые ветви семитские , некоторые северо-африканские , некоторые европейские и т.д.
У фракийцев индоевропейская E1b1b , индоевропейские языки принесли в Европу скорее всего Анатолийские фермеры
very ignorant and old information, present day people know way more, and almost everything said here is not truth, there are a lot of books and information about they language and writings too already, from the last over 100 years till now, make your research better! Also everything called ancient greeks is pregreek, so thracian, moesian, getai, pelasgian and others, same people, different names by time and by the region, but not Greek, its really bad calling precivilization if they country ancient greeks, they thracian should be called Bulgarians, Romanians, North Turkish, Macedonians, North Greeks, Serbian and others, not ancient greeks, its pregreek era! Almost anything here is inaccurate information. Thracian, Bulgars, Slavs, are name of the same population, Thracians are people who are in the region of Trakia, Bulgars are tribes of the region of Moesia, north bg, and ro, Slavs is fake created name in the early 16th century, first was existing the name Sclaveni, or Sclavs it was name gave from others to the small Scitians, or other name Getai, they were living int he region of east Bulgaria and Romania and Moldova, and Sought Ukraine, from them are coming so called Goths too, this is small Scitia, we all know wehre is the other Scithya, also mostly from people from the Blalkan population, just migrated there long time ago, they also had other names in different time. So thats the 3 "Ethnos" Thracian, Bulgars and Slavs, its same people from different regions, Pelasgians are more in sought, Phrygans too, in the region of Macedonia are the Peonians, etc, that region is very difficult and too much faked history by others, but for the things im saying that are truth, and the things in the video(most) that are not truth, they are already so much sources, enough for the rewriting of the history, some of the countries will get way more from they have now, others like Greece will lose, all about "Ancient Greece" and others, sorry for my language, but the facts are facts:) Also all those called Greek gods, were most existing people from the Balkan Civilization, so pre Greek, even the writers were saying that, like Homer and Herodot, Strabon too, Johannes Malalas and others, all called Thracian, Pelasgians etc, that they took inspiration of they heroes, leaders, and stories to make the "Greek Gods" for they Dark Age for giving them inspiration and Strength and Will, but they were not Greek!
Thracian and Dacians language was Balto-Slavic similar to Lithuanian and Prussian believe it or not according to some sources.
Thracian are Romanians
after all, the ancient Greeks were very good at the same language
they agreed with the Thracians
and considered them kin
In fact, they spent this in Greek mythology, where the Thracians have their own participation
in ancient Athens the Athenians especially honored the Thracian sacred ceremonies
Any evidence for that? Of course not. All surviving Thracian words point to similar origin with Illyrian and Pelasgian and other extinct languages from North-west Anatolia
@@user-fx7xv1dc5c the word Thrace is a Greek name that means those who perform many sacred ceremonies
all ancient Thracian inscriptions use the Greek alphabet
at least 30% of the words are Greek
The Illyrians were also related to the Greeks.
The Greek tribes Achaeans, Iones, Aeolians and Dorians were pelagic as the ancient writings tell us
The language of the Pelasgians is pure Greek words, e.g. inos,akti,thalassa,argos,pelagos etc
It's exactly the opposite...it is simply stupid what you say.
Hum or Helm Peninsula. That is origin name. The word Balkan is from 19 century is not ours.
Bulgarians came in the Byzantine era. Thats just protochronism propaganda
There's data about Bulgarians south of the Danube as early as the 5th century AD.
And the first written accounts of Bulgars comes from the 3rd century AD by anonymous Roman scholars.
"Ziezi ex quo vulgares"
Which translates to "Ziezi from who come the bulgarians/bulgars"
Niceee
According to Herodotus, and later historians the Thracians were from the Caucus steppes and their language although unknown, it was NOT Greek. They brought with them the Pegasus myth as they were mostly a horse culture and travelled on and bred them.
Not as bad as the other 99% of pretty ignorant takes on Thracian legacy, normally stamped with the label "Greek", again, for geopolitical reasons and inherent lack of integrity in Western (historical) world view. There are some errors with the facts as well. As far as I remember, genetic research points to the R haplogroups as common ones for the Thracians, which correspondes to more northern looking appearance, with light or reddish hair and light eyes. That matches the descriptions in primary historical sources. And the murrals with their images in their underground burial mounds. As far as I know, they came from a source culture in the north (Dnieper and Dniester Rivers) of the Balkans, and continued south to Asia Minor and the Mediterranean islands, where they became the Trojans and the Phrygians, much well known, but geneticaly and culturally identical (to the Thracian) peoples, which are the creators of a lot of the "greek" labeled stuff we hear about.
can you do ashkenazi origins next? I know they a mix of primarly levant and slavi shifted southern europeans
Çok güzel decimali👍 bizim köyde köyü kuran ilk atalarımızın mezarlığı var onlarında aynı böyle yüz şekillerinin canlandırılmasını çok isterdim, elimde böyle fırsatlar olsaydı bende böyle yapardım.
It seems my country has never existed and we're all in fact virtual hollograms😊
What is the grey unnamed area between illyrians, thracians, macedonians and greeks in the map, at the beginning?
Answer is simle. There is no greek.
Thracian, dacian, illyrjan are all the same race like epiriot. All these 4 speak tha same language, which is today albanian language.
The DNA ancestory test is false, because there is a mistake, which is greek DNA. THERE WAS no greek in illyrian penisola.
All the history is abroad wrong.
@@ardiankasapi9174 And how did he decide that they speak Albanian? if you haven't talked to them :) Albanians are not genetically closer to Thracians compared to Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians and other Balkan peoples, let's not forget a part of Italy.
@@kalinxristov1654serbet me traket .? C.ju thot menja .serbet .sllavet jan vendos ne ballkan ne shek. e 6-'7.ku ishin ne at koh.ti moho albanet qe jan ilir .mate vjetrit ne ballakan?ti moho shqiptaret qe jan nona evropes ?jo.jo.
Are the current Bulgarians the eagles of the Thracians?
No they are slavs
@@varg3952genetically they are both
@@es8994 no
@@es8994 their genetics have nothing to do with thracians
@@varg3952The first Thracians, called Slavs, are the Getae. You are talking about a subject you do not know.
Interesting one!!
No it is not Romanian! Wallachia has been always the backyard of Bulgaria! The backyard nothing main of the Roman Empire! Do not dare to invent yourself history that you do not own! The Bulgarian=Thracian and the Bulgarian Thracian alphabet exist for many millenia! Since the Ace Age! During the Ice Age today’s Romania was ice cold TUNDRA! Thrace (today’s Bulgaria and European Turkey) was habitable not covered by ice but by forests and was one of the 3 enclaves in Europe (the others are in Northern Italy and the Iberian Peninsula) and all European civilization after the ice melted spread from these 3 spots! Nothing like today’s Romania! Stop being blinded Romanian chauvinist! Nothing started in today’s Romania!
You feel like arguing, but I don't know why. Does Romania's vegetation bother you?
@@CocoSon-we2rgthere was none, only a frozen valley, that was today’s Romania.
Macedonians and Paeonians next 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Scythihians or Parthians next.
@@CocoSon-we2rg and Sarmatians?
3:58 "Iron age Bulgaria"... whats that? Did ever existed?
Who do you think are the Mysians, the Paeons, the Getae?
Of course not. Nationalism is a big problem everywhere. Peoples want theirs ancestry to be the .....first of the first. Pure idiocies anti-science.
But Minoan "Greece" exists , even if the Greeks were still in Africa at that time. At least the Bulgarians were here even if under another name.
@@ds-on4sm Keep searching my friend. That is a good thing. Key words "Thracians", "Bulgars"
@@ds-on4sm From where do you pull out that bullshit ?
So sori you line Greek don't egzist
The question is as silly as asking "who were the Christians genetically or who were the firefighters genetically?"
Best answer!
Enea dardanidi ishte ilir
The Wright brothers being of Thracian origin makes sense if you think of aviation pioneers like Aurel Vlaicu, Henri Coanda and Traian Vuia in Romania.
Also, if a word in Romanian is unique in Europe, or shared only with Albanian, it pretty much screams Thracian, wouldn't you say?
ROMANIANS ARE VLACHS, GYPSY, PECHENEGS AND CUMANS! NOTHING TO DO WITH THRACIANS!!!
Those who lived then in the Balkans still live today.
Of course, there are also those who came much later, such as; Hungarians, Bulgarians, Albanians.
They mixed with the people of the Balkans and that's why we have slightly more different genetics today.
The Greeks are also newcomers to the Balkans (from Asia and Egypt), but they remained immigrants much earlier.
"Bulgarians are Bulgarians, not Turks, not Tatars, not Finns, not Huns, not Chuvash, not Slavs, and by their origin they belong to the most ancient pre-Indo-European peoples. Academician Nikolay Derzhavin, director of the Slavic Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences, wrote this. He reached these conclusions on the basis of paleolinguistic analysis. Recent genetic and genomic studies confirm these his concepts.
He claims that the Bulgarians are proto-Indo-Europeans, i.e. the Bulgarians began to form as a people even before the formation of the Indo-Europeans (9800 years ago). Academician Derzhavin's concepts formed the basis of the Bulgarian history courses taught at Sofia University when Academician Derzhavin was president of the All-Russian Academy of Sciences. "
We never came. We have always been here but spread amd returned.
@@ds-on4sm ,,,Of course Nikolaj Derzhavin wrote that.
Russia sponsored the creation of the Bulgarian nation in the 19th century due to its geopolitical interests.
The Soviet Union had similar interests with the Bulgarians.
In 1944, the Bulgarian army was accepted into the Red Army as a member of the Wehrmacht, even though they committed serious crimes against civilians from 1941 to 1944.
It's all political talk.
The first Bulgarian khans and their army were not Indo-Europeans.
They are an Asian warrior tribe.
Why don't they speak their own language today but Serbian?
Why don't they have their own Asian names today?
The original Bulgarians are a Turkic tribe and have almost nothing in common with today's Bulgarians except for the name.
DNA analysis is clear.
Most of today's Bulgarians are "Slavs", and only a small part in the north of Bulgaria has retained its original DNA.
@@naserivic4018 Really? You are so ignorant that I don't even know where to start from...
@@naserivic4018 Do you mean that a state that exists since 681 needed sponsors,haha. You are really ridiculous. And this quote is only one . We have plenty of evidence to support it. You can say this to any nation on the Balkans except the Bulgarian. Stop embarrassing yourself.
You are the typical Serbian chauvinist. We have zero Asian by linguistics, dna and culture!! The Bulgarians are the oldest Slavic speakers. What 'Serbian" are you hallucinating😮😮?!!!
Do you know what Slav mean? Obviously not. You guys make me really nauseous!!
@@naserivic4018😊😅😂
You are very confident in your knowledge of Bulgaria. Show us something old and authentic about your theory, or did a friend tell you?
the DNA screams Albanian region as the peak, but it is just mentioned as the other balkan people
SERBS .
… are from Caucasus (Sarmatian Serboi)
@@MilIMetayeah sure yet i2 yDNA is only European haha. Serbs and Slavs descend from Lusatians/Urnfield
@@MilIMetanot
World is Serbian :D
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Thrqcians qre bulgarians there are the reason why Bulgariq existesd and the african greeks were mqd etiopians😊
I am from Bulgaria and my DNA is mostly Balkans and whole Greece. More and more people are proving that we did not come from Russia like this evil empire like to claim. We are the indigenous people here. My son did DNA test with different lab and his results are similar.
It varies... there are outside components too.
Thracian is not a folk name,but a military rank.
It comes from the Sanskrit word TAARAKA,which means commander,helmsman.
TAARAKA-TA/this/ AR/bright,shine/ AKA/aye/.
6000 years ago,Dionisus set out from the Bolkans on a march and conquered India.
He brings with him:Satri,Sinti,Siki,Blgi,Kikoni,Brigi.
They are known to us a Thracians,but in India they are not known as Thracians,they are known as Arians.
They separate the northern part of India as Arya Varta/enclosed/.
This is what Diodorus Siculus,Euripides,Lucius Arrian,Quintus Rufus wrote.
this is a kind of literature, the novel
No. Trag=trail, trak=track. It is obvious that area was called by the word who means path, path via river(s). But, no! Why to be simple when it could be ofensive for comon sence! Btw, there is no single evidence of agriculture in mid. east. Agriculture and melting metal has evidence only in "Severopa" (nort of Greece), place that you call in new Greek term "Europe". DNA? Well it is clear, but interpretation is "strange".
@@user-fl2ok7ms6uThe name Europe was used to refer to the lands between Sredna gora,the Rhodope Mountains,Strandzha and the Aegean Sea.
The word Europe is in Sanskrit from Avi/roe deer,goat,cheep/ and Ropa/rupa/-image,form.
@@nikolaykolev1438 but, India is faaar away, and you claim that Greeks did not use "S" in front of later shortened word. Why?
@@user-fl2ok7ms6uThe Greeks cannot pronounce the sound T firmly when it is to a vowel sound /A,E/.
That is why they soften it with the leter tita.
So Thracians, Dacian's and Galatians were all Celts
Only the Galatians were Celts
Bulgarians are Slivicized turkic tribes.
Пълни глупости пишеш ...ние , българите сме най-старият народ на земята!Произхождаме от Зиези , втория син на Ной.....намаме нищо общо с турци и потурнаци!
Nonsense. Slavs is only a language group coming from Thrace and Turkic people don't exist before the 6th century AD. You think they showed up and immediately established the oldest European country?😅But established Turkey in 1923😅
Thracians I2A🧬
No Thracian sample has found with I2a, Lol.
@@vitocorleone9456 Yes it was
@@vitocorleone9456 In Odryssian province I2A🧬 was found on Thracian noble and that DNA is the dominant on every Thracian soil in the Balkan(Helm)
@@nikolavukicevic9799 Lol no. which sample is that then? Tell me ID
Ne e tocno
The Thracians are descendants of Tiras with the L paternal Y-chromosome haplogroup.
On another video they say that 35% of Iron age inhabitants of Bulgaria and Macedonia were R1a. Please, you both agree before you propel your own narrative :-).
I've never heard that before. Can you point me to some legit sources? I'd love to read more about it.
@@Lindsey-xm1pb That was said in the video that I mentioned in the previous comment. I don't know any sources either. The title of the video is: Comparing Ancient and Modern Macedonian DNA: Are They Genetically Related? The channel is Ancestralbrew. Pay attention to 1:28 of that video.
Also, read the following text from the linguist Mario Alinei from Utrecht University:
Mario Alinei, Interdisciplinary and linguistic evidence for Palaeolithic continuity of Indo-European, Uralic and Altaic populations in Eurasia, with an excursus on Slavic ethnogenesis, "Quaderni di Semantica" 24, 2003, pp. 187-216.
@@TheGarrymoore I skimmed through the Ancestralbrew vid you mentioned, but I couldn't spot any specific mention of 35% of Iron Age Bulgarians and Macedonians being R1a. I also took a look at Mario Alinei's paper, but it's mostly focused on language stuff and doesn't get into specific genetic haplogroup. While it does discuss the origins of Indo-Europeans, it doesn't have any data on R1a prevalence in Iron Age Bulgaria and Macedonia.
In any case, the Y-DNA data from Lazaridis's The Southern Arc paper, which this video references, is more reliable.
@@Lindsey-xm1pb Check once again on 1:27 of Comparing Ancient and Modern Macedonian DNA: Are They Genetically Related? The channel is Ancestralbrew.
On the table there is a clear 35% Balto-Slavic contribution on the Northern Macedonian population from the Iron Age.
Can you, please, give me the whole reference of Lazaridis' paper?
@@TheGarrymoore I've checked the Ancestralbrew video again, but the statement you made in your first comment that '35% of the Iron Age inhabitants of Bulgaria and Macedonia were R1a' is not mentioned in the Ancestralbrew video. Ancestralbrew only talked about the genetic breakdown (autosomal DNA) of Iron Age North Macedonians, and makes no mention of Iron Age Bulgarians at all, let alone Y-DNA.
I think you might be confusing autosomal DNA with Y-DNA.
The Y-DNA data for the Iron Age Bulgarian samples mentioned by Decimali can be found in the supplementary material S1 to S5 of Lazaridis's The Southern Arc paper.
Serbs
All Europeans are Thracians and the time has come to change the name of the continent from Jewrope to Thrace. By the way, someone many years ago misspelled the name "Thrace" and created "Greece". "Thellas" is the real name
What an ignorant fairy tale. Typical Western misunderstanding of others and idiotic interpretation of data. The Jamna culture is not the bearer of the Indo-European language and culture - they spoke Turkic and have a male R1b1 line. Their descendants ended up in Armenia, Kurdistan and today's Turkey. The Europeans who came to India, the Aryans, carry the designation R1a1 Z93, and have nothing to do with members of the Jamna culture, but are relatives of the Slavs who went East to China and India. R1a1 Z280 are those who remained on the Russian plain and today we know them as Slavs, Latvians, Lithuanians, part of Germans, etc. R1a1 Z93 are part of the Aryans who leave, and do not return to the Russian Plain, they remain in India as Brahmins and Kshatriyas to this day.The settlements and cities of Vinča, Tirolopolska culture have from 10 to 20,000 inhabitants, a specific material culture quite different from that from the Levant, a special artistic and cultural imprint. The settlements of that time in Asia Minor have 100, 200 people in one place. It's not even for comparison. Vinča has a superior culture of that era, technologically developed, every house has a furnace for melting metal. You have no idea what you are talking about. Wheat is grown by the people who are the first Europeans, heirs to the cultures of Starčevo and Lepenski Vir. It is not possible for a village in Yorkshire to make a crucial cultural impact on New York City. Funny. Figures from Asia Minor have features of the Lower Paleolithic in Europe, with fat women, fat in multiple layers, real Venuses of Willendorf. Vinca is completely different with slender depictions of man, chariots pulled by birds and swastikas as symbolism.The Tacans are direct descendants of those people, as well as the Illyrians, Dacians, Tribals, Getae, Dardanians, etc.
Yamnaya spoke romanian. They were the massagetae ( getae means south romanian).
These massagetae had spread romanian language( thracian) into India wich became sanscrit.
Basically the thracians had civilised the steppe yamnaya, just like Bulgaria did more recently with the slavs.
I don't see your point.
@@mihaiilie8808Wrong. But everyone have the right to personal opinion
@@leonardusius1968 Did you google the massagetae? Do you know the jaats from India say they are comming from the getae in Romania?
Massagetae brought Sanscrit into India. Thracian coulture, celtic.
The R1b yamnaya became celts after the thracians ( getae) civilised them.
Thats why you see the etruscans( celts) with R1b haplogroup and the jaats in India with R1b and even I2.
Sanscrit comes from the getae lanfuage wich is romanian and the romanian language is the proto indo european.
@@leonardusius1968 Just google the massagetae to see how far the getae ( thracians, now romanians) got. Deep into India where the thracian language(romanian) became the sanscrit.
Serbians.
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Raci
Thrace has the same fate as Illyria with the Slavic immigration, they both went down and today the Slavs are in the majority and the Illyrian-Thracian language has been wiped out
Nichts ganz, die illyrische Sprache ist mit dem albanischen verwand und lebt unter den albanischen volk weiter , zumindest das was übrig geblieben ist.
@@donideniro3185Thracian language is Bulgarian, not Albanian!
@@goldliongoldlion5336 no, bulgarien today is a slavic language Mix with asiatic Tribes, than you can See at your Faces, i meen bevor the slavic tribes Came in balkans the original thrakians speek a Dialekt from albanian today, because illyrian thrakians dakians Was Cousins, today you are manipulatet from your orthodoxe Church, Peace my friend
They were Serbians of course.
You are wrong...just a Greek tribe...Like Germans have goths saxons e.t.c....Many thracians coins have found with greek letters....You try to change history....Thracians are part of greek culture
😊😅😂 greek letters ?Who wrote the "Greek" alphabet? I expect an exact answer😊
Wow .. when greece coming here Balkans seen Thrace.. old ancient Greece incoming from Africa .. primary alfa book is Phoenician alphabet
The Greeks have stollen the letters and the material culture from the Thracians! Thracians are the Bulgarians!
Bolgar Bulgar same Thrace
What i get from this story is that Thracians were a greek branch genetically. Culturally, although isolated, they embraced the mainstream trents of the greek world
Not really, because Greeks came later to the Balkans, and settled in areas already populated with tribes related to the Thracians, which they assimilated and now call them protogreeks. And the hellenization started much later, after Alexander the Great conquered them. By the way, Thracians is the name that the Greeks gave them. The name covered many separate tribes.
The thracians are dated around 3000 B.C. and the danaans (greeks) came to the Balkans around 700 years B.C. This means greeks even weren't on the Balkans during the Trojan war (which happened on balkan land). It's just not possible thracians to be greek branch. The correct is thracian branch - dacians, scythians (easy explainable word on Bulgarian), myrmidones, moesians, geths, peons, phrygians and many more. Thracians gave the culture, the knowledge and the alphabet to the greeks (like Orpheus. Also few more thracians added letters to the alphabet). About the so called ancient greek mythology - how is possible a child/childern of a Thracian God to be greek and the opposite?
@@opushead Don't distort the history. What you are telling us is a fairy tale derived from the tool box of the Bulgarian propaganda
@@user-gk9mj5bo2eWhat kind of 'propaganda'? There are historical sources. The Greeks were mentioned for the first time, by the great civilizations, in the 8th century BC, as the Thracians were a pre-Greek population.
Today's descendants of the Thracians genetically and culturally are mostly Bulgarians, Romanians and Thracians. A large part of the holidays in Bulgaria are from the Thracians - kukeri, nestinari and many others
South thracians were greeks like the other greeks . As you said they were the same with the greek myceneans with few differences .
Thracians are much much older than anything greek or ancient egyptian.
@@mihaiilie8808 again: south thracians are greeks so how can they be older than gteeks ?
@@niknik1604 the thracians are not greek coulture. South Thracia thats in Greece, actually belongs to Bulgaria. The reason why Bulgaria. Invaded Greece and Turkey had to save it.
@@mihaiilie8808Thracians Helenized way before Bulgars come in. Even after they moved south to Greece.
@@aokiaoki4238 The original thracians of today are romanians.
Romanian language is what thracians spoke and the slavic words in romanian are not slavic but original thracian.
The getae wich are south romanians, had spread thracian language through the massagetae, into India.
Budhist monks in China and hindu priests in India, speak Sanscrit wich they themselves say is romanian language that comes from thracians.
All indoeuropean languages are made from thracian, including greek because its an indoeuropean language.
The ancestor of the greek language is thracian, romanian language for you and to tell us about helenising thracians is like teaching your father how to make kids.
English, german, all latin and slavic languages, plus Sanscrit in India and China, are based on romanian.
Romanian is the oldest language and the mother of almost all the languages.
People are ignoring known human history. The actual historical records and DNA migrations show that everyone spread out from Mesopotamia. Ancient history is essential for everyone to know, especially the sixteen original civilizations… from the sixteen grandsons of Noah. Learn ancient history before trying to learn science.
1. The first inhabitants of Italy (K) Tubal
2. Thracians (L) Tiras
3. Mediterranean Greek sea people (T) Javan
4. Siberians (N) Meshek
5. East Asians (O) Magog
6. Medes (PQ) Madai
7. Western Europeans (R) Gomer
8. Hebrews and Arabic (IJ) Arphaxad
9. Elamites (H) Elam
10. Assyrians (G) Asshur
11. Arameans (F1) Aram
12. Lydians (F2) Lud
13. Cushites (AB, C) Cush
14. Egyptians (E3) Mitzrayim
15. Canaanites (E2, D) Canaan
16. Original North African Phoenicians (E1) Phut
The D paternal haplogroup Sino descendants of Canaan migrated from Canaan east to China all the way to Japan and Tibet. The C paternal haplogroup descendants of Nimrod migrated as far as South Asia, the Pacific, Mongolia and all the way to the Americas accounting for the Olmec civilization as well as the Q haplogroup descendants of Madai ancestor of the Medes that crossed the Atlantic to Central America.
The A maternal mtDNA haplogroup belonging to the Semitic N lineage accompanied the Eurasian Q paternal haplogroup to Central America. The C&D maternal haplogroups belonging to the Eurasian M lineage also accompanied the Atlantic crossing of the Q paternal haplogroup Medes and probably the C paternal haplogroup to Central America. The Semitic B maternal mtDNA haplogroup seems to have crossed the Pacific Ocean to South America.
The Mediterranean paternal R1b and the maternal X2a also found in Galilee represent another Atlantic crossing of the Phoenicians in the days of King Solomon considering also the Mediterranean paternal haplogroups of T, G, I1, I2, J1, J2, E and B in addition to the R1b in Native American Populations. J1 and J2 is Arabs and Jews. (I1 is most likely Dan and I2 resembles the movements of the tribe of Asher)
Of course there is also the Cohen modal haplotype of J1 P58 as well which identifies the IJ lineage of Hebrews and Arabs that are descended from Arphaxad. J2 M172 is the largest group of descendants probably of the House of the kings David and Solomon. Now you know a lot more of what is verified human history.
Mincare de rahat si povesti habiru lumea vine din tibet mai prostalanilor😂😂😂
Dude, the civilization who lived on the balkans is way older.The foundations of the first two-story house (dated to 6000-5800 years B.C) were discovered in Stara Zagora. The mesopotamian culture is at least 1000 years younger.
@@opushead Show me a calendar or historical record. It’s not much different anyway. Dating methods aren’t exact.
Bulgarians came in the Byzantine era
Of course they came by spaceship
@@silverchesnov5247 They came as Turkic tribes that mixed with Slavs
@@aokiaoki4238😊😅😂go back to school 😂😂😂
@@user-xc6co3ur2vBulgarians are Slivicized turkic tribes.
@@aokiaoki4238 You know absolutely nothing. Leave this to the Bulgarians. We have spent years to figure out our origin in spite of the enormous efforts to falsify and erase our history we always knew we are NATIVE people. We were not always called Thracians,this name entered history in the Bronze age. But the Thracians are also not new people but native. The Thracians and the Bulgarians are the same people.
Tribali ,Tračani Traci ,Rašani (m.e.Serbs ),Raci( this is how Hungarians call Serbs even today) ,Raseni (exonym Etrurcian) !
The same prople !
The Thracians are BULGARIAN!!!
@@goldliongoldlion5336 Bulgarians camme in 7th.s .They are "BELOUGRI"turkians according to prof. Dr. Osman Karataj!
Повратне
@@goranbras4767Bulgarians are the true Thracians, they are autochthonous, they did not come from anywhere, illiterate!
Why dont you see there are many components in a population?@@goldliongoldlion5336why don
@@goranbras4767 анахронизъм от 15 век за трибалите забрави,виж за Рашка в днешно Косово по може да се съглася🤣🤣
There is no Thracian nation. Thracian is a unifying concept of people professing similar religious beliefs. Etruscans, Thracians, Turks, Tatars and Bulgarians mean the same thing and this is the cult of Thor (Baal) which was spread all the way to Scandinavia. There was a global religion even 6000 years ago. Thorskan, Thorcians, Thorks...♉🤘 Understand that this is just religious nonsense with no value
In addition to those who say that Bulgarians have nothing to do with Thracians , I will say that" Toro Rosso" and" Red Bull" mean the same thing
....глупости пишеш момче!....днешните траки им викат българи!....на български език , българин означава благ човек!
@@kolp-qy2mlYou are slavs by majority but you do have some small % of thracian dna due to assimilation
@@nikolav.7406 ...там е работата , че славяните го измислиха преди 300 години , за да може да се краде от историята на древните траки!
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