what if Goku defeated Frost?
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
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Today I am explaining what I think would have happened if Frost didn't cheat / Goku managed to defeat Frost during the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 tournament.
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I just realized there is some ambiguity due to my choice of background image for this video so just to clarify: I wrote this scenario with the intention of it taking place in the anime continuity.
I don't blame the people who thought otherwise since the background does LOOK like the arena from the manga (it's actually the anime arena BEFORE Whis renovated it). My bad for any confusion guys.
still kaioken would've clapped hit
If goku didn't get the warning of time skip, he wouldn't be able to see into the future, like explained by King Kai in gokus energy is out of control, his line was "you weren't just predicting his moves you were looking into the future"
Zeno would come and he would be sad to see goku be sad because they’re friends goku can’t be destroyed
@@godlayersmgl2673they weren’t friends yet
I guess frost really is good
I don't think so
Yes he did that for plot.
No frost didn’t even know
@@Sabu_OZREALLY 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
so your telling me that knock off freeza cheating saved universe7? dam
No because goku would still use kaioken
@@user-eb4jj5dc8igoku wont get advance warning about the time-skip
@@lanzrivera6203 but he would still use kaioken
@@user-eb4jj5dc8ikaioken wouldn’t save him from time skip bruh
@@noahborlace7502 goku would just think he needs to be faster and use kaioken and still lose but earn the respect of hit
Actually if goku lost to hit, vegeta would clap hit. Because goku did say in the manga that if vegeta didn’t use ssj blue before, he would have won. Hit can only use full power time stop when his opponent is far less energy than him. After using ssj blue when fighting cabba, vegeta got exhausted and out of energy that’s why hit can beat him but he can’t beat goku with full power ssj blue
That only holds true in the manga continuity. In the anime it is never implied that Vegeta was weakened against Hit, at least not by that much.
@@beanshounen yeah, in manga it’s stated that vegeta is only 1/5 as strong as the first time he use ssj blue form
if goku gets clapped vegeta will counter time skip then vegeta will learn hits respect then monaka claps hit
I dont think he would've won I mean even goku full energy lost so its about wither vegeta can gain respect or not from hit
Damn Guess I need to thank Frost for this one 💀
"Hit gets his cube" 😂
Goku wouldn’t need anything advice SSJ2 to clear before he got to Hit. The other reason Vegeta lost in the manga was as he was at less than 1/5 power. Hit’s even seen crapping himself after hearing that. Goku knew about Hits power yes but he also figured out his attack pattern. Goku still gains Hits respect while wearing him down, Piccolo gets clapped unless he has time to charge a SBC and then Hit’s facing someone of Goku’s strength who is fresh and has observed Hit fight 3 times. There’s only 2 differences; Monaka doesn’t “fight” and Vegeta gets the W. Frankly it should have gone that way.
I was basing this scenario off of the anime continuity where Hit was just straight up too much for Blue Vegeta. The whole "going SSB against Cabba severely weakened Vegeta" thing doesn't exist in the anime canon. Overall anime canon Blue is a lot more stable of a form compared to its manga canon counterpart.
I would argue Goku was only able to figure out Hit's attack pattern as quickly as he did because he went into the fight already knowing about the Time-Skip. Hit isn't really the type to waste too much time so I don't think he would give Goku enough time to adapt (not saying Goku couldn't figure it out on his own IF given enough time)
Then when Vegeta gets his turn he would probably do much better than he did in the anime because like you said he got to see Hit fight. However, I think he still loses because Hit would be able to improve his Time-Skip as the fight progressed just like he did against Goku. Since Vegeta doesn't have the Kaioken he would eventually hit a wall that he can't overcome.
I believe Hit only forfeited against Monaka because Goku forfeited against him due to thinking that fighting him with the tournament rules in place was unfair. I don't see Vegeta forfeiting under any circumstances.
@@beanshounen you did show the manga though.
@@teeboz6237 that shot of the arena is taken from the anime before Whis changes the ring from Vados’ design. I honestly just used it because there’s not really any good shots of the renovated arena where there aren’t characters visible. Tho in hindsight zooming in the image enough probably could have solved that 😂
I can see how you got the impression I was referring to the manga. That’s on me lol
As for the actual manga page that was just to have a visual on screen of Frost looking like he’s losing tbh. I also used an anime clip of Goku getting attacked so I think they cancel out 😂
@@beanshounen but one factor changes the game hit is not allowed to go for kill. And only way to win his knocking out of the rings.
goku can also save himself by instant transmission. Basically goku uses blue kaiolen weakened down the hit. After that either vegita or picolo finiishes of.
@@beanshounen the thing is though, is that Vegeta's fight against Magetta did weaken him by tiring him out somewhat, due to the conditions of the fight and that Vegeta fought in base and Super Saiyan. al the SS forms are multipliers, so if the base weakens then all the forms are weaker too. So he did fight hit at a lower level than he would have if he was completely fresh.
So basically if frost didn’t cheat= everyone dies 😅
I think Vegeta would be able to replicate what Goku did against hit and since Vegeta doesn't play around would just go ssjb and beat hit before he can adapt his time skip
It really just depends on how fast Hit could advance his time skip. I feel like Vegeta wouldn’t be able to finish him in time. Time-Skip aside Hit is still very strong. I don’t know if Blue Vegeta could realistically finish him quickly
@@beanshounen yeah but if we're going off manga Vegeta was super weakened anyways and in anime he wouldn't play around at all while Goku warmed up in base form so I think Vegeta just takes him out way too quickly.
@@beanshounenYou didn’t see it properly aren’t you? 💀 Goku said if Vegeta had blue form in his full power he could’ve beaten hit. The reason why vegeta get clapped by heat was his Blue form power decreased at that time because of battle between cabba and magetta so he only got 30 percent of power.
@@user-ry7gr6cz9g manga continuity only. This short is based off the anime
@@beanshounenhit has shown to be nothing without the timeskip at that point. He didn't realize that he needed more until after he fought goku. Thing is goku had a higher max power than vegeta and even forced himself forward in time to counter hits time skip.
I don’t think vegeta would get clapped.
Or piccolo.
They would both realize what’s going on and wear down hit.
Piccolo is crazy smart and could probably tire out hit.
And honestly vegeta going evolution would be perfect here.
No I don’t think piccolo would’ve do anything, goku & vegeta needed blue to even match hit, and piccolo is nowhere near the level of goku & vegeta so he would be one-shot out by hit, hit wouldn’t even need to use his timeskip,
I love piccolo I agree he smart but there no way he’ll do anything to hit
But I think vegeta could do better cause by the time if goku went first and than after piccolo he would know how the time skip works but I still think he’ll lose.
"Get Clapped" 💀🌚
I love how beerus is just everyones boss and EVERY EPISODE we are at his mercy
If Champa didn’t kill the Universe 6 for failing him (who he hated) then Beerus won’t kill the Universe 7 team
Champa didn't kill them because Zeno appeared and seemed to enjoy their tournament also saying he would like to see one with all universes thus Champa having no choice but to spare em
@@tumama6893 in the Manga Champa never thought about killing them. That’s an anime only thing
I'll be the first to admit that it def isn't guaranteed that he kills them but it also can't be ruled out. For Beerus losing Earth's food is a massive loss + he doesn't get a wish + there is the fact that in the anime continuity Champa was going to destroy Universe 6's team if Zeno hadn't interrupted.
I imagine this scenario would play out faster considering Goku vs Hit would be a lot quicker, so it's possible that Zeno would arrive too late to save everyone.
@@beanshounen tbh I like what you set up but I think Beerus killing everyone will kind of shoot down any fun you could have with the scenario.
Like I suggested in another comment having Black Freeza and members of the revived Freeza Force be in the TOP representing Universe 7 because Beerus loses all of his Saiyans due to this Tournament and is desperate could be fun
@@fireiron369 that’s fair. That’s probably the angle I would take the story if I were to make a long form vid out of this scenario tbh. Maybe I’ll do that someday now that I’m doing 2 long vids a week
I wonder how the Earth being moved to Universe 6 would impact the Goku Black arc. Would Trunks just travel to the past and be met with a void where Earth used to be? 😂
Butterfly effect hits hard
U tweakin 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In the manga Goku without blue kaioken beats hit so I'm assuming Vegeta would do the same thing after knowing about the time skip
Idk I think Piccolo would have been smart enough to figure it out and warn Vegeta
Frost didnt cheat. I stand by this
I swear they keep doing vegeta dirty. 😂😂
I really think that goku would still figure out hits timeskip mid match but if he doesn’t I think that his teammates will tell him to think about it. Then I believe that goku would still give hit a run for his money and go into kaioken eventually losing because of exhaustion. Then I think piccolo is smart enough to figure out he can’t win but can probably injure hit or exhaust him just slightly more giving a fully powered and prepared vegeta a really good chance to take out hit. And either vegeta wins by beating him outright or trying to figure out a way to get more power like goku and then using the same form in the manga, full power ssb.
in the manga hits timeskip dosent work on people stronger than him and it is stated that if vegeta didnt waste his energy fooling around with cabba he wouldve beaten hit
I believe it would go differently.
If Goku doesn’t get pushed to having the same conclusion he did in the anime when watching vegeta fight hit (and wisdom from galactic patrol) then Vegeta would get the wisdom Goku got originally in the anime and develop the same predict strategy and also the get hit first then counter attack. (Also kaioken Goku would last longer than vegeta did, giving more time to figure out hit’s ability and definitely time for vegeta to get Goku’s strategy) You may think that Vegeta would struggle without kaioken but after finding the win strategy he will realize he needs to take it seriously (can’t play around) and take hit out with full power in first or second strike like against frost in original but this time actually full power strike.
The big impact is Frost isn’t outed meaning he gets to train with the Saiyans making them and himself stronger possibly getting 5th form (writing wise he would get some type of form maybe masterd 100% at worst) or golden (maybe during tournament not from training before) but he may not master the golden form maybe if he lasts to the last 10 minutes of the tournament it would be mastered by then but likely he would of already been taken out. also the saiyans may get ssj2 earlier maybe ssj3 and unlock non berserk legendary form earlier.
Vegeta would find a way just like Goku
Manga scenario:
The manga is more canon and goku states to vegeta that vegeta would have beaten Hit if Vegeta didnt use blue against Cabba
Anime scenario:
Goku didnt NEED an advanced warning about timeskip, he would just adapt to Hit's fighting style in the fight itself and use kioken earlier on as his last resort which timeskip hadn't evolved to beat yet ((anime hit kept evolving due to Goku no kioken))
So this short doesn't work either way
The manga is not "more canon". They are just separate continuities that are equally canon. Even if that was the case that doesn't mean I can't make a scenario based on the anime.
Goku only adapted to Hit's style *as quickly* as he did because of the advanced warning. Hit doesn't waste time, just look at how quickly he beat Vegeta and how he literally tried to 1 shot kill Goku during their rematch post Black arc. Goku wouldn't resort to something as risky as the Kaioken unless he knows he has no other option, and Hit wouldn't give Goku the chance to figure that out.
You are entitled to your own interpretation but the short definitely works even if you don't agree with it.
@@beanshounen you didn't even read what I said
@@heroricspiritfreinen38 I did, just disagree with it for the reasons I gave. Clearly it’s you who didn’t read what I said
Thanks frost
So in laymen’s terms Universe 7 should basically thank Frost for cheating against them😂😂
Well, isn’t that just the slipperiest of slopes… makes sense though, Ice (Frost) is slippery.
solid state scouter be fittin in quite well
You are really underestimating vegeta
goku: u forgot smth.... im the main character here
Tbh Vegeta Will Get a Warning Of Hit's Timeskip And he could have an advantage against him
Goku is good at adapting so I think he wouldn't get clapped but still end up losing
Nah Goku isn't getting clapped by hit because Goku would've known his abilities in battle as his battle iq is the best and he'll give hit one heck of a fight
If you didn't know goku knew about the time skip before the lil turny they had
Vegeta would have figured it out
Vegeta would learn hit attacks like goku because vegeta is a smart fighter
Frost technically didn’t cheat
Beerus doesn't get to destroy Earth or its inhabitants; they are Champa's now.
Clapped? PAUSE
Wouldn’t vegeta intervene in the fight versus cabba? I’m saying would he not try to fight him making it end up the same way.
He would reach mui by seeing the intense situation and power of hit
Did we ever find out why HIT wanted the cube? I know it’s insanely fast and can travel between universes…..but not that long after this, HIT just shows up in Universe 7 without any trouble.
Actually Vegeta probably had a small change of winning since he would know about the time skip in advance
vegeta disrespect is real.
this isn't accounting for plot armor
I think that vegeta would win against hit since it is stated that he thinks about battles way more and would think of a counter against hit
Also if Beerus was smart he would train Freeza for years in Whis’ staff to prepare for the TOP.
Black Freeza being revealed in the TOP would certainly be something 😅
But wouldn't that destroy the hype for Ultra Instinct ?
@@v-king123 definitely but it would be the smart thing for Beerus to do
True
Where you even thinking on this? If Frieza was resurrected by baba for a day and used that day to train in the staff there’d be an empty slot in un7 because the whole reason why frieza entered as well as cooperated was to be revived
@@ultrasaiyan9987 Whis revived Freeza in the anime and the manga so he could revive him for Beerus
I don't think so bec they could choose who gets in and who is not
Its like a team decision
You’re giving Vegeta no credit here, just like Goku was able to find away I’m almost positive Vegeta could’ve found something
Plot armor would save vegeta from hit bc he would take goku role and he probably use something boost his power to match Kilkenny times 20 like ssjb evolved hit my push him to that lvl
I think goku would be strong enough to sustain himself before noticing the time skip. Then vegeta can finish hit off due to hit not really being that strong and the time skip is what makes him op
I wanna see a spinoff movie where Beerus destroys the entirety of universe seven
Piccolos shoulda come back, if nothing else to figure out hits technique, piccolo got done dirty home slice
Bro didn't even give vegeta a chance. What a shame
It just how DBS planned it out so it works
Hit would probably be exhausted by the time her gets to Vegeta. Vegeta could pull it off. He fought hit at %10 of his full strength according to Whis
Actually idk about goku getting clapped, because gokus a quick learner when it comes to fighting, it'd probably take him 2 minutes to realize about his timeskip
Nah cause ain't no way Goku would ever try to Insult magetta, he would prob lose ☠️
what if goku with the ability of kaio ken still figures it out while fighting hit. vegeta was limited because he did not have any special powerup after super saiyan blue meanwhile goku can use blue kaio ken times 40 if he wants to wreck his body more than kaio ken times 20
Hopefully vegeta goes evo hella early 😂😂😂
Goku would later catch on to Hits time skip
Nah probably Vegeta would know about time skip and win or goku would adapt.
I think Vegeta would stand a chance, he'd have enough time to figure out what Hit was doing after seeing both Goku and Piccolo. If he didnt win he'd atleast put up emough of a fight to make Hit respect him anyway
If goku gets clapped by hit and vegeta did see that, he probably do the same thing as goku did in canon.
But probably would lose because he doesn't have kaioken and then earn hit's respect still.
I mean Goku would still probably earn Hit’s respect because Goku would adapt to the fight quickly
Moral : cheating is good 😅
Wait
About Vageta, Vagetas SSB power output wouldn't be 10% and he'd know about the time skip and Piccolos fight with hit would improve his knowledge therefore Vageta may win or earn his respect
Nobody: What! Moneta lost too!!!!! I thought Moneta would win for sure. This is some BS😡!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Prob the the animators team think another way of goku and his friends wininng bc they are the MCS. 🤷
It sounds stupid but makes sense
Everyone gets clapped😂
I'm pretty sure that Vegeta would still want to fight Cabba at some point in his fight with Goku (to push him to SSJ and teach him about pride)
And then Vegeta and/or Piccolo would advance to Hit, giving Goku a chance to watch Hit anyway.
Now, if Cabba wasn't there AND Frost didn't cheat? Probably a different story.
jaco will warn vegeta for time skip so vegeta will defete hit
Hit's timeskip improves over the course of a fight and Vegeta has no Kaioken. He would eventually just get outpaced by Hit
Wouldn't he still likely show off ssj blue kaioken and have a similar outcome?
No it was stated vegeta could only use 10% of blue strength at the time I think he coulda won after seeing goku lose
akira toriyama:nuh uh
if thats the case i think vegeta would get royal blue early 😂 or he alsowould get respect from hit
Zeno would’ve still appeared and made Champa and Beerus craps their pants causing them to not want to go thru with their agreement or risk erasure as Zeno would’ve become wary of them. Even if Beerus erased his warriors before Zeno appeared, either Zeno gets mad that the “fun guys” disappeared and Beerus and Champa quickly asks their angels to undo their actions or Zeno just erases Beerus and Champa for breaking the rules.
I think even if Universe 7 lost Zeno still appears as usual just like he originally does when Champa contemplates erasing his warriors. Goku still talks to Zeno inspiring him to consider a multiversal tournament.
Either Vados or Whis convince Champa to bring back his Earth instead using the Super Dragon Balls as that wouldn’t cause “god” issues like swapping alternates earths from two different universes.
Well in the manga vegeta would beat hit because he used more than once ssb so he was using only 1/5 of ssbs power against hit. While goku in ssb was enough to overpowering him. So i belive vegeta would be able to beat hit in the manga
I was trying to help... I just kept my console on instead of playing. Why am I not noble
I don’t think vegeta would get clapped, he has a chance to win after seeing not just one but TWO people fight against the time skip
He wouldn’t loss against hit because usually when holy if fighting someone he doesn’t know his power he first have to understand the opponent ways of fighting that’s why he wouldn’t loss and if he was to loss vegeta wouldn’t loss cos he now know how hit fights…
Video ends 0:03
Goku wouldn’t need a warning, kaiokenssjb was more than enough to defeat hit.
Wouldn’t Vegeta just have the time skip advantage thing and just like maybe Vegeta would win against hit and evetually get Ultra Ego before Goku could get UI and carry in the tournament?
Literally could champa just wish his earth back with the super dragon balls or just use universe 6 namekians dragon balls if they have any the use the super dragon balls for like I don’t know food or something like literally Berkeley’s keeps his earth and champa gets his like so much easer then moving them
No, then toriyama would think it the other way out
Everything happens for good lol
If we’re going of the manga hit gets clapped by blue vegeta if he has a warning about hits time skip
I mean vegeta might figure it out
U are forgetting how intelligent Goku is in battles, he would figure out what technique hit is using and then Goku would clap him
Piccolo probably would have beaten him if he didn't cheat
Not even a Vegeta fan but he takes this W.
He really doesn't tho. I can see how you could think that if you think I am referring to the manga continuity but I made this scenario based off of the anime since that's the version more people have seen
@beanshounen sure that's fine that you used the Anime, im tired of debating the manga haha. Anyways, I still think Geets takes this W. After he witnesses not only Goku (a similar strength level fighter) but Piccolo (a debatable better mental fighter) you don't think he'd figure out what Hit was all about the same way Goku did? I think he would. Next thing we have to figure out is how Vegeta can match the power output it took for Goku to counter the time skip (ssbkk). This is the only thing I think supports why Vegeta would take a clapping. BUT, Vegeta would be at full power. (What, 5x the power he had vs Hit?) AND I think his no nonsense type of battling would lead him to one shot Hit before he can adjust his fighting stance. Block a couple time skips like Goku did in base, then one shot in ssb before Hit even knows what happened.
@@FatalWarGhost Vegeta only being at 1/5 of his full power as Blue against Hit is a manga only thing tbf. I really think Vegeta just gets outclassed here without Kaioken. He’d do better than he did in canon since he wouldn’t be going in blind but I still think he loses. You are entitled to your own interpretation tho!
@beanshounen ahh if that is only cannon to the manga, then you might be on to something. I need to rewatch the episodes.
vegeta doesn't have the kioken what is he gonna do when hit improves his time skip
How about Super saying Blue Keio, Ken
This is not a cannon event
Would Beerus even be able to destroy them in that situation?
Could see champa laying claim on "HIS" new earthlings.
Take not only Beerus's food, but the powerful mortals that are from his new planet.
Why would Champa let Beerus destroy them?
Then goku and vegeta become gogeta and kill off beerus with super ultra mega plot armor blast thing
There's no guarantee Vegeta gets clapped especially if he sees Goku kaiken
If vegeta ends it fast there's a chance he wins