When I first heard Paul's gospel, that Christ died for my sins, was buried, and rose again, I had no clue what "turning from sin" was. If my pastor had told me that, I would have gone back to my old Catholic faith, which is faith in the flesh to finish off what Christ had started in my redemption. Anytime you add self-reformation to the gospel of the grace of God, you are telling God that you yourself are part of the salvation process and thereby you're insulting him to his face. "God has shut up all men under sin, that he might have mercy on them all."
I think by “turn from sin” they mean “understand that Jesus hates those sins and those small things that you think are okay”. If Jesus is cool with those sins then that is not Jesus Christ who forgives our sins. It’s a false god that we gave the name Jesus who can’t forgive sins.
That is a total misunderstanding of God and the Catholic faith. The Catholic faith does NOT teach “self-reformation”; Jesus reforms us and invites into the process. It is God and God alone who convicts, converts, regenerates, and legally justifies us, but it is through our relationship with Christ that HIS fruits are born in and through us, reform us, sanctify us, and ultimately fully justifies us, not just legally, but actually as He made us holy. It is through this that we remain/abide in Christ, enduring and persevering to the end so that we may spend eternity with Him. This is the actual faith as written in scripture and taught by the Catholic Church. It is sad to hear you were never accurately taught this.
The gospel call to faith presupposes that sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority.” In other words, a sinner who refuses to repent is not saved, for he cannot cling to his sin and the Savior at the same time. And a sinner who rejects Christ’s authority in his life does not have saving faith, for true faith encompasses a surrender to God. Thus the gospel requires more than making an intellectual decision or mouthing a prayer; the gospel message is a call to discipleship. The sheep will follow their Shepherd in submissive obedience. Jesus’ repeated warnings to the religious hypocrites of His day as proof that simply agreeing to spiritual facts does not save a person. There must be a heart change. Jesus emphasized the high cost of discipleship: “Whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27), and “Those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples” (verse 33). In the same passage, Jesus speaks of counting the cost; elsewhere, He stresses total commitment: “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62). In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says that eternal life is a narrow path found by “only a few” (Matthew 7:14); in contrast, some seek to broaden the path so that anyone who has a profession of faith can enter. Jesus says that “every good tree bears good fruit” (verse 17); in contrast, some say that a tree can still be good and bear nothing but bad fruit. Jesus says that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the kingdom (verses 21-23); in contrast, some teach that saying “Lord, Lord” is good enough. Paul and James taught that a true profession of faith will be backed up by evidence of faith. If a person is truly following the Lord, then they will obey the Lord’s instructions. A person who is living in willful, unrepentant sin has obviously not chosen to follow Christ, because Christ calls us out of sin and into righteousness. Indeed, the Bible clearly teaches that faith in Christ will result in a changed life 2 Corinthians 5:17 Galatians 5:22-23 James 2:14-26
Matthew 18:1-5 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 WHOSOEVER THEREFORE SHALL HUMBLE HIMSELF as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. How are we converted? Paul recounts his conversion with Jesus. Acts 26:14-20 14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. Verse 18 says that when God drawls you to Him, 7 things happen inside of you. Your eyes are opened, and you turn from darkness to light (this is referred to as conversion) This is repentance a change of mind about your sinfulled life I believe and that will result in a change of direction. Conversion is the change of direction. So your eyes are opened you are turned from darkness to light, hence you are set free from the power of satan. You can only be set free from sin, by repentance which is the result of faith (belief) without both you haven't been set free from sin and the end result will be hell. You receive the forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those that are sanctified. Verse 19 Paul says obeyed his heavenly vision and preached Verse 20 I preached that they shall repent (turn from) sin to God by faith and show evidence of their repentance (conversion by their deeds/works. (change of conduct)
The Free Grace doesn't downplay the importance of repentance. We just say it isn't involved in our redemption by Christ. We are redeemed by the completed work of Christ which is received by faith. Repentance is the first step of godly Christian living following our redemption. We also don't believe in a mere intellectual agreement of the facts. We believe or trust in Jesus to deliver on His promise to provide eternal life to those who believe. It's faith in Jesus and His ability to deliver on His promise.
Having positively examined the Free Grace position, I think it's correct in what it pushes back against. But neither any of the Free Grace advocates not Grudem have a correct concept on what "repentance" is. Luther said repentance involves two parts 1 Contrition for sin 2. Faith .. it's actually in the Augusburg confession. Nothing about turning from sins there..which is why Free Gracers are correct to push back. But the knowledge of sin via the work of the Holy Spirit using the law is essential otherwise being a sinner is a meaningless word and "Christ died for our sins" is meaningless...and faith isn't really in the promise of God.
The clearest gospel message in the Bible is when Peter shared the Gospel with Cornelius and his houseful of guests. Acts 10:39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen-by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. It gives a word by word account of the Gospel being shared and people being saved. Nobody made any promises, confessed anything, or repented from sin. They merely heard and believed every word Peter was speaking. The Holy Spirit’s presence guaranteed assurance of salvation to both Cornelius and his guests. Why would anybody who heard this message in 2023 be exempt from assurance of salvation if they believed every word?
Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church. It was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved. Acts 2:37-41 37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do? 38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
This twisting of His Precious Grace that we are seeing increasingly, was predicted in scripture. Jude 1:4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are UNGODLY PEOPLE, WHO PERVERT THE GRACE of our God into a LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. Jesus warned: Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
@@2Chronicles714_ belief isn't a work .clearly following the law and turning from sins is and only mental midgets like you would say otherwise . Trust Christ 100 percent to go to heaven or go to hell Your choice
@@watchmanendtimes We are justified through faith in the Person and Work of Jesus. Yes and amen! But I wonder why God commands us to do righteousness and justice through obedience to His commandments? I participate in a Bible study group. A particular woman suffers from delusional suspicion that I desire her. She has slandered me to others, who in turn, also sin against me - even gossiping in such a way that has damaged my reputation among other evil things. These people say they are not to strive to obey the 10 Commandments as that would be denying grace. They say the Holy Spirit controls them and leads them in the way of love. Yet they are some of the most evil “Christians” with whom I have had the displeasure of studying Scripture. God’s moral law is the law of love. We have been freed from the bondage to sin (sin simply doing anti-love in thought word or deed) in order that we might walk in a new way of love. Yet countless Christians are taught that striving by the enabling power of the Holy Spirit and freedom in Christ to love God and others through obedience of God’s commands denies grace. What damnable heresy. Yes. We are justified by grace through faith. But before we are glorified, we are being sanctified. The entire New Testament is Jesus teaching obedience to the deepest level of the Ten Commandments. And what are Paul’s letters to the Churches and the other epistles all about? Well, how we are to behave and think and speak. Sprinkled throughout are dire warnings to believers that liars, thieves, sexually immoral, revilers, disobedient, murderers, etc., etc., will not inherit the Kingdom. Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. God will not be mocked. Be doers of the word and not hearers only. Our congregations are absolutely full of false converts who say they believe and love Jesus but clearly do not know Him. They love their sin and they prefer to think that they can safely ignore Jesus and Paul’s teachings regarding how we are to operate as blood bought and paid for redeemed people. Your life is no longer yours. Put off the old self. Put on the new. What do we think that means? It means YOU and ME - all of us are to be DO-ing this walk of faith through obedience in righteousness and justice. Now, go and sin no more! I didn’t say that. JESUS said that! Do we not understand? God’s moral law is a reflection of God’s perfect holiness - His perfect love! Do we reject it and call it a curse?! No!! But it is a curse to those who are lost - those who remain in bondage to sin. Those are the ones who hate God’s moral law. But to those who are being saved, the Ten Commandments are sweet and pure and lovely and honorable and obeying them leads to the flourishing of men and to joy and true life. But my sisters in Christ in my Bible study group believe the lie that they are not to obey God’s commandments and think that this faith is hugging and squeezing the Holy Spirit and seeking signs and wonders and chills up and down their spine. Bringing up obedience to God’s commandments and it is as if I have become Satan, himself. They scream, “Jesus is the end of the law! Jesus is the end of the law! No, ma’am! Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. Let’s not leave out the last half of that verse. And let’s not wrongly interpret the word “end.” Those who think the “end” connotes “no more” are deceived. The proper connotation is “goal.” The Ten Commandments are the means to an end for righteousness. Properly interpreted, Jesus, like the moral law is become that end (goal) for righteousness. Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law. He came to fulfill it. His fulfilling it was strictly that He be the unstained, unblemished Lamb of God for sacrifice. Just because He perfectly lived it (fulfilled it) dies nothing to change how we are to approach it other than that we are forgiven when we fail to live it perfectly. Just because we often fail doesn’t mean we aren’t supposed to strive to walk in obedience to the Ten Commandments. I mean, Jesus summed the Ten Commandments as love God and love neighbor! And the only way to do that is to know the word thoroughly and walk in obedience to it. Paul shares LOTS of do, do, do’s and don’t, don’t, don’ts! Listen to him. Listen to Jesus. Matthew, chapter six is loaded with moral law straight from the mouth of Jesus. To obey Him is to honor Him. Do it!! Not for justification. No. Not at all. But for sanctification and abundant life and peace!
"an internal resolve to turn from sin doesn't mean we're adding good works to salvation" Yes it does. If you think that in order to go to Heaven you need to stop certain sins or make lifestyle changes, you are to some extent trying to earn your salvation by being good enough. You are not resting by faith alone in the accomplishment of Jesus Christ on the cross as being all that is necessary to go to Heaven. And by the way, I don't consider Lordship Salvationists to be evangelical brethren. I consider them to be works-salvationists who are unfortunately still lost.
@@someperson9536 Turning from sin is a work Christians SHOULD do AFTER salvation, but it is NOT an inevitable consequence of salvation. The Bible teaches Christians still retain a sin nature after salvation which they can yield to [Romans 6:16, Romans 7:14-15, Galatians 5:17]. Just read 1 Corinthians if you don't believe me, and see what type of sins were plaguing that church.
Repent doesn't mean to repent of your sins as the bible refers to repenting from sin or turning from your evil way as works (Jonah 3:10 - And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way. And God repented of the evil which he intended upon them. Etc) Also the word repent in the new testament from the Greek word "metanoia" (meta= To change, to turn or to shift. And noia = thought, or thinking) in other words means to change your mind. To quote the word repentance with the pre assumption or snuck premise that it means to repent of your sins is wrong and deceptive.
Words are defined by their usage. Words are not defined by their root meaning. The clear usage of repentance in New Testament times is a turning from sins, not just a change of mind.
Why would saved people be measuring their level of performance and good works to be sure of salvation if Christ has already accomplished the work on the cross? It’s basically saying Christ’s sacrifice is enough, but we need to make sure it is! Contradictory!
Salvation makes a difference, but I don't always know what that looks like in others. I see the fruit, God sees the root. Thus I make room in my mind for the Samsons, Solomons, and Lots - the disappointing Christian.
@@williammarinelli2363 You make a fair point here. I just take the point that salvation is accomplished through our faith in the savior who died for us then as a result we become God’s workmanship. We should rejoice in the gift offered by God and received by us without worrying about whether or not we have the ‘workmanship’ as this is a natural follow on from being saved. And yes, as you mentioned, there are the Lot’s and Solomon’s etc that should be seen as a wake up call for us all. From my experience, I have never come across an Antinomian Free Gracer who is sure of his/her faith in Christ’s accomplished victory on the cross over sin and death and knows that by Christ alone is any soul saved.
at 0:38 he say that Free Grace position downplay the need to repent. This is actually not true. Most Free Grace teachers and people who promote that theology hold that repenting is important to have a close fellowship with God. They just do not believe that repenting of sin is a condition of salvation. They hold to this because Johns Gospel does not mention repentance of sin in the entire book. Wayne Grudem is not a good person to go to for information on what Free Grace teaches. He misrepresents the theology all the time.
Exactly. It's like going to an arminian to learn about calvinism. Agree with any theology or not, you need to go to the people who actually adhere to it to fond out what they believe. I wouldn't ask a historian to teach me calculus.
The bible talks about dead faith, false conversions . Why did Jesus say you must be born again if all you need is intellectual faith. Are they saved under free grace? No!
A few points/observations on this topic. We are saved by putting our faith in Jesus Christ as our personal Savior (e.g. John 3:16,36; 1 John 5:12) which is by Grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9; Acts 16:31). Putting faith in Christ is simultaneously repentance (change of mind/metanoia) as turning from sin (the sin of unbelief, Rom. 14:23c) -- from trusting anything other than Christ as the Savior --, and now trusting in Jesus Christ as the personal Savior. I think one key in understanding the issue and applying free grace theology properly is to differentiate between relationship with God (salvation which is permanent and immutable once entered) and fellowship with God (discipleship which is often a volatile experience in the growing process). Salvation is eternally secure once entered into that relationship as salvation was the work of God, ... He saved us (He drew us, He gave us the faith and He urged us to put our faith in Christ as our personal Savior, and He regenerated us, etc.) as is its (the salvation's) safekeeping the work of God. But fellowship with God is always an invitation to cooperate, to be available to let Him do the work in us, through us, and for us, although He Himself actually performs that work in us, through us and for us (e.g. Phil. 1:6). The "normal" Christian life is one of growing in His grace and knowledge (2 Peter 3:18) and therefore living in fellowship with God (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, e.g. 1 Cor. 1:9, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 1:3,7) which will result in an outward manifestation of a transformed life. But let's not forget the principle of 1 Sam. 16:7c. If someone says that they are a Christian because they put their faith in Christ as their personal Savior, I look at them as a brother/sister in Christ. If someone tells me that they have anything other (pointing to good works, fruit, behavior, performance, a changed life, etc.) than solely Christ as their grounds of salvation, then obviously they are not saved, because they haven't put their faith in Christ as their personal Savior. And that's the scary part when people point to other things than their faith in Christ alone as Savior, because then their salvation is based on other grounds than belief in Christ as Savior. When I stand before God some day and if hypothetically the question was asked why I should be here in His presence for all eternity, then my only answer is "Jesus Christ, He is my Savior" as He died for me and paid for all my sins, ... it's finished, and I trusted in Him as my Savior (and my name was written into the Lamb's Book of Life at the moment/point of salvation). There's nothing else I want to point to, because neither he who plants is anything nor he who waters is anything, but He Who gives the increase (1 Cor. 3:7), ... the same for growing in Christ and performing the works He prepared for us beforehand (Eph. 2:10), ... it's all His work, ... I can't take any credit whatsoever and I can't and I don't want to point to anything other than to Christ as my Savior alone. God bless!
OK Grudem is again not representing what all Free Grace believe at faith. I even don't believe that faith is about reading facts and saying you believe facts. I do believe that faith is appropriating the believe as to oneself. In other words believing that Jesus died for my sin and raising from the dead. The personal aspect of faith is necessary and many in the Free Grace believe that including Jody Dillow.
The simplicity of saving faith is what's so "difficult" about it. You either BELIEVE the gospel or you don't. You cannot believe in something you've never heard and do not understand. Belief is repentance. Metanoia (repentance) "simply" means to change your mind (from unbelief to belief). Salvation is a discovery, not a decision. The very first thing men want to do is make faith a work. One hears the gospel (maybe many times) and discovers they believe it. Saving faith is a gift from God. It's the only "proof" that you've been born from above. "Which were BORN, not of blood, nor of THE WILL of the flesh, nor of THE WILL of man, but of GOD." We are free! However, with freedom comes responsibility. Your Father will discipline you to the measure you abuse your freedom in this life. Not the next. You CANNOT be un-born! The absolute sovereignty of God is the most assuring doctrine of salvation there is. Not one's performance.
1:22 “two aspects to faith in Christ” so how many sins exactly must one turn from in order to be saved? All of them? Just the really bad ones? You’re adding works as a condition for salvation. No, one is justified at the moment they believe in Jesus’ promise for eternal life. Repentance is part of the believer’s lifelong sanctification process.
I would submit that those two titles are a very slim representation to Free Grace Theology. If you really want to understand the tenets of FG Theology, read "Free Grace Theology: 5 Ways It Magnifies the Gospel" edited by Grant Hawley, and "A Defense of Free Grace Theology" edited by Fred Chay. Both of these interact with Grudem and are a collection of FG authors.
@@jeremyedmondson6390 Thank you. I took a screenshot so I have it for the future. Right now I have pulled away from studying free grace theology. I'm just resting in the LORD right now. I always find that when I get too much into it, I get legalistic about it. The main reason I like free grace theology is because of my legalism in the 1st place.
@@jeremyedmondson6390 A warning against this new End Times Falling Away doctrine; Jude1:4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about b long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord
Isn't Wayne Grudmen a Calvinist who they are not sure 100% if they've been elected/saved or not by God. They believe that God decides who goes to heaven or not. So the Calvinist lives in doubt and fear. Free Grace Theology is the only way. Study about it. God Bless
Repentance isn't works. Sin is called works of the flesh. I honestly don't know which is true. But I will say that "good deeds" definitely count as works right? But if we are a fornicator and a thief and a murderer in practice and say we are saved by faith alone yet in practice remain a adulterer, murderer, anf fornicator, aren't we denying what Paul taught when he said that those who live in these ways will not enter the kingdom of God? And when he said this he was talking to believers, saying don't walk as the rest of the world does.
Repentance and faith or believe trust 2 sides of same coin The fruit of repentance should begin with water baptism and all other works unto him for rewards. Biblical difference between justification and sanctification
Here’s the difficulty with the gentleman’s thesis. He stated we turn from sin, we resolve to Christ trusting him for our salvation. This turning from sin is called repentance. If we are talking about repentance from sin we would have to conclude that one has ceased from the sin. If it is just confess or feel bad about it or determine to not sin we run into all sorts of difficulties. I think even the most hardline lordship salvation believer will concede that believers still have some sin. If the believer still has some sin how could they have repented? One might say, well they don’t have anymore big sins. Ok, what constitutes big or little and who decides that? Of course it’s the pastor right? The wages of sin is death, this big or little stuff leaves everything so unsettled. Death is the penalty whether a particular sin is big or little in our estimation. Now the way I deal with this problem is not by denying a believer their salvation if they have a sound profession but fellowship. If a brother or sister is fornicator, this is openly known to engage in this behavior we don’t fellowship with them. To hopefully lead them to stop doing that and thereby qualify for fellowship again. It doesn’t say in order to show them they never were a believer. It is a fellowship issue, the health of the body is more important than individual members. If you must stop some behavior or start some behavior and calling that faith doesn’t make it not works. It’s just adding the leaven of works to the cake of Faith by altering definitions to make words mean what you want them too.
Repentance means that you realize that you are a guilty sinner,and you change your mind about your sinfulled life and turn to living for and serving Jesus. It doesn't mean you're saying that you'll never sin again. It means you change the direction of your life away from sin and to Jesus. A change of mind will result in a change of conduct.
John clearly states we must repent and believe John 1:14-15 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
I don't see anything wrong with FREE GRACE based on the scripture . There is nothing wrong that Jesus healed the 38 years impotent man on the Sabbath 8Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. 9And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. 10The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
'But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ' Matthew 3:7-10
Dear brother, Repentance, Greek, a changing of the flag. It is changing of the mind in every way you thought you could be justified, from your way to Gods way. By grace through faith on Yeshúa as your salvation. Yas trust Him as a person as you say, but no one can promise to "Turn from sin ." Saints confound salvation with sanctification. I never repented from sin 45 years ago. But I repented from my own filthy rags righteousness to Christs righteousness, an He saved me in my bedroom! And He by the Spirit confirmed it then and since. 1st John 5:13. Love in our scared Master Yeshúa Wayne, Barry
You define it basically the same way I do. I was an agnostic before I was saved 47 years ago. I wasn't sure if God even existed or if evolution was the way we got here. I don't remember exactly how long it took but over a period of weeks or perhaps months God was working on me. I finally repented about evolution and believed in God as our Creator, but I still wasn't born again. It was soon after that "repentance" that God sent someone to witness to me from Isaiah 53 one night. I was shown by the Holy Spirit that the passage was about the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ for my sins. I refused to trust Christ that night but one week later I went to this mans' church and was led to Christ by him at the end of the service. So. my repentance and my faith in Christ did not really take place at the same time. It was not until I placed my faith in Christ for salvation that I was instantly born again and knew it. Btw, I never even heard the word repent before I came to trust Christ.
The best type of repentance is when people repent without knowing that they are repenting. Why make repentance the object when Jesus is the source of repentance? Just point people to the person of Jesus and the repentance will follow.
Repentance means that you realize that you are a guilty vile sinner in the presence of God,that you deserve the wrath and punishment of God. That you are hell bound. It means that you begin to realize that this thing called sin is in you and that you long to get rid of it,and that you turn your back on it in every shape and form you renounce the world,whatever the cost,the world in its mind and outlook as well as its practices and you deny yourself and take up your cross and go after Christ. Your nearest and dearest and the whole world may call you a fool or say you have religious mania. You may have to suffer financially, but it makes no difference. That is repentance. It becomes an ongoing way of life. The repentance that starts at salvation starts a progressive lifelong process of confessing sin. 1 John 1:9 we go on confessing our sin. The active continuous attitude of repentance produces the poverty of the spirit,the mourning, the meekness that characterizes true believers in the Beatitudes of Matthew 5. Repentance produces a new way of life,not just a different opinion of Christ,a new way of life. Those who heard Jesus preach knew what He was calling for. He wasn't asking them just to change their opinion about Him. They knew what Isaiah said when Isaiah preached. This is what Isaiah 1:16 says:wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight,stop doing wrong.17 Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.18 "Come now, let us settle the matter", says the Lord."Though your sins are like scarlet,they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson,they shall be like wool. If you wash yourselves,if you make yourselves clean the progression begins internally and then manifests itself in attitudes and actions. Isaiah 55:6-7 Seek the Lord while He may be found, call ye upon him while He is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way,and the unrighteous man his thought:and let him return unto the Lord,and he will have mercy on him;and to our God,for He will abundantly pardon. He'll pardon when the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man forsakes his thoughts and turns to the Lord. 2 Chronicles 7:14 IF my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS then I will hear from heaven and FORGIVE THEIR SINS and heal their land.
2:10. “ if you believe those facts then you have eternal life” yep because that’s what the bible teaches in many verses. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. “Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,” 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ESV At the end you’re basically saying you need works to prove you’re saved, if you haven’t turned from your sins etc. How many sins? Which ones? Just the big ones or? Because the The apostle Paul specially says in Romans that it’s not of works, we are justified by faith alone, no works are needed at all. If someone believes Christ and dies 2 mins later, we would all agree they was saved as they trusted Christ, but all of a sudden you change it to believing in Christ and dying 10 years later, it’s about checking for the works.
Well said. When theologians attack mental assent they are really advocating for justification by faith and works. They simply can not stand on belief in the gospel alone, apart from works of the law for salvation. When one changes his mind and believes(assents) to the Gospel then he is saved that simple.
Repentance isn't works. Sin is called works of the flesh. I honestly don't know which is true. But I will say that "good deeds" definitely count as works right? But if we are a fornicator and a thief and a murderer in practice and say we are saved by faith alone yet in practice remain a adulterer, murderer, anf fornicator, aren't we denying what Paul taught when he said that those who live in these ways will not enter the kingdom of God? And when he said this he was talking to believers, saying don't walk as the rest of the world does.
@@not_worthless2813 it depends how you define repentance, some define as a change of mind and some define as turning from sin, like in Jonah 3:10 where they turned from their evil ways. This is not a condition of salvation, faith alone is though. In the gospel according to John, the only book written for the sole purpose of convincing us to believe, it says believe over and over again, to lead us to faith in Christ. The same as in Paul’s defence of the gospel in Galatians, he never mentions repentance as a condition of salvation. It’s faith alone. Don’t let people double talk and say it’s faith alone but then slip works of the law in. If we practice fornication or any other sin for that matter, we will lose fellowship with God and we will lose rewards and our joy etc but you will still be saved, yet as by fire. Paul never says you won’t enter the kingdom, he says you won’t inherit the kingdom. An inheritance is for someone who is already in the family, it’s about rewards, if he was speaking about entering, this would be a major contradiction as he says for by works of the law no flesh is justified in His sight and that it’s by grace through faith and not of works otherwise grace is no longer grace.
@@letstalktech96 Basically you just said you can believe Jesus justified you, and continue to fornicate. But there is a second step to our walk with Christ. It's called sanctification. God does a work in us and makes us more like His son. But a person can most definitely resist this process, and never change. And possibly even go about their life as if they never believed. I don't think I agree with you on this point about inheiritance. I don't believe it's okay to live in rebellion to God. To me that would appear to be the same as rejecting His gift of salvation. I'm not saying God isn't for those people but he will separate the sheep from the goats. And according to Jesus these people called Him, "Lord Lord!"
@@not_worthless2813 faith alone for salvation, and then we deny ourselves daily in respect of our daily sanctification. We grow in His grace and are confirmed to His image. We can and do resist his will in our lives, but He is patient and long suffering with us, He disciplines his children. Even if you don’t agree on inheritance part, paul isn’t saying if you practise these things you’re not saved… he even says and such were some of you, but you were washed, you were sanctified. He encourages us not to live like them because we have been saved. Look at the Corinthians and the sins they committing, like the guy committing fornication with his fathers wife. I don’t believe it’s okay to live in rebellion to God, not sure where you’ve gotten that from? Sounds like the same objector when paul says some say shall we do evil that good may come or shall we continue in sin so grace may abound, may it never be!! The sheep and the goats judgment is about a specific time period, where all believers left alive at the time will have been faithful to Christ by serving the Jewish people through the tribulation. The goats are unbelievers. All the believers who came to faith after the rapture and who was not faithful would have died in the tribulation, leaving the faithful ones alive. The lord lord passage again is not about genuine Christian’s, they are not boasting in the finished work of our Lord and saviour, they are boasting in themselves, they’re looking to themselves to be justified…. Didn’t we cast out demons, didn’t we prophecy in the name of Jesus and do MANY WONDERFUL WORKS…. Jesus will say to them I NEVER knew you, not that they He used to know them but then they committed one to many sins… the unbeliever shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. Hope this helps
Have you turned from all your sins? We should repent of sins. “After” we are saved. Judas repented and he still went to hell. How come Jesus never mentioned repentance in His evangelical book of John. He said to believe. (Put your trust in) in Him. You’re not trusting in Jesus to save you if you think you have to repent of sins to be saved.
where in the bible does it say Judas went to hell? Secondly, Judas was only recorded to have remorse- to have remorse does NOT necessarily mean repetenace.
@@leonardu6094 that’s where unbelievers go. Judas was a thief, he stole from the money bag, He betrayed Jesus, and even Jesus called him the son of perdition. The only other person he called that was Satan: “Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.” John 6:70-71 KJV “While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.” John 17:12 KJV
Why didn't you mention knowing Christ as Lord of your life as necessary for salvation? "If you confess with your mouth the Lordship of Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, :Lord,' enters the Kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father,." We don't work to get int0o heaven; we work out of gratitude that we are going to heaven. In our gratitude, we trust Christ as Lord of our lives. Accepting Jesus as your savior is not mentioned in the Bible one time.
""If you confess with your mouth the Lordship of Jesus " Any translation that says that is a blatantly false transaltion. It does not say that and that is definitely NOT what that verse means. It is not our surrender to the Lordship of Christ that saves anyone, but our acknowledgement of who Jesus is, the Lord, and what He did for us in His death, burial, and resurrection. Lordship salvation is rank heresy not taught anywhere in the Bible and certainly not in that verse which you misquoted from a really bad translation. Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." This is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT statement from what you quoted.
Wayne Grudem is mostly wrong and freegracers are 💯 % wrong. Paul: Allegiance/ *pistis* , trusting obedience, *hypakoe pisteusin* , ist counted as covenant faithfulness/ *dikaiosyne* without converting into Judaism via halachic works ( *erga nomou* ). Obedience is a part of saving faith. Not automatically following saving faith (Grudem) nor optional (free grace). The New Perspective on Paul makes that clear. So when Wayne Grudem says, it is just a dispute between brothers, that may be the case. *But if both preach essentially the same wrong gospel, then....*
It boils down to this , If one is truly saved they will show good fruit .. Different people grow differently in their sanctification though it seems.. One who has been raised biblically illiterate is not going to grow as quickly as one who has been taught biblical things growing up.. The sincerity of one's heart is what GOD takes into account.. Good works doesn't cause salvation good works n faith do not equal salvation but sincere honest trust in CHRIST equals salvation thus producing good works.. By the way it's hard to find a verse in the bible that says repent of your sins and believe to be saved instead of repent and believe to be saved..
So do you still misuse the verse about being led into all truth (the context was about gnostics claiming to have a hold on truth and Jesus being incarnate truth, the all wasn't being literal ) to spiritually bully people into believing your interpretation of scripture is infallible and on par with Christ Himself? Im not even arguing against free grace right now, just you guys take so much out of context that I have a hard time taking you seriously.
Salvation is never conditional upon anything, "turning from sin", etc. If it could resemble a condition, it would be agreeing with the Lord that your sins have separated you from God, and you are already CONDEMNED JOHN 3:18 "...already CONDEMNED"... Do to the commandments, and then BELEIVING on the Son. At that instant Christ LITERALLY SAVES YOU, COMES INTO YOU AS WELL AS THE FATHER, MAKING THEIR ABODE, AND YOU SIMULTANEOUSLY RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE SPIRIT. SALVATION IS SUPERNATURAL. THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT, is spirit. Yes brother, no mental assent to facts, but a confession your lost condition, and BELEIVING on a person, the Son and His finished work for yourself . A new spirit, a new heart, constant battles between flesh and Spirit etc. The desire to please the Lord out of His eternal love for you, constraining you. But your explanation is surely different from others who hold this Lordship salvation (false doctrine) of conditional salvation or, repentance (turn from sin) which is literally impossible. You do not espouse Lordship salvation. You phrase it correctly, ie, BELEIVING on a person. Love in our perpetual servant ("but ears you have digged me", Psalms, Barry.
"The free grace movement would say..." Movements don't say anything. The position of those holding the opposing view should be presented in their own words with citations as to who said what. He should repent of building a straw man and engage in honest, good faith discussion.
We (free grace preachers) downplay the need to repent of sin for salvation because there’s no such teaching in the Bible. Repentance for salvation is repenting of unbelief. Paul proves it here: “Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.” Acts 19:4 KJV Repentance must be undertook in context. In the context of salvation, it always means turning from unbelief. In fact, God repented most in the Bible (and he never sinned). Gruden says believers must have proof that they’re saved. Well what about these guys? “Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.”-John 12:42-43 KJV
@@hp6361 I agree with everything you said about the Lordshippers misunderstanding repentance. I’m not sure they’ve rightly identified any false converts, because a person who is trusting in his ability to repent of sin to save him, is a false convert.
When I first heard Paul's gospel, that Christ died for my sins, was buried, and rose again, I had no clue what "turning from sin" was. If my pastor had told me that, I would have gone back to my old Catholic faith, which is faith in the flesh to finish off what Christ had started in my redemption. Anytime you add self-reformation to the gospel of the grace of God, you are telling God that you yourself are part of the salvation process and thereby you're insulting him to his face. "God has shut up all men under sin, that he might have mercy on them all."
I think by “turn from sin” they mean “understand that Jesus hates those sins and those small things that you think are okay”. If Jesus is cool with those sins then that is not Jesus Christ who forgives our sins. It’s a false god that we gave the name Jesus who can’t forgive sins.
That is a total misunderstanding of God and the Catholic faith. The Catholic faith does NOT teach “self-reformation”; Jesus reforms us and invites into the process. It is God and God alone who convicts, converts, regenerates, and legally justifies us, but it is through our relationship with Christ that HIS fruits are born in and through us, reform us, sanctify us, and ultimately fully justifies us, not just legally, but actually as He made us holy. It is through this that we remain/abide in Christ, enduring and persevering to the end so that we may spend eternity with Him. This is the actual faith as written in scripture and taught by the Catholic Church. It is sad to hear you were never accurately taught this.
The gospel call to faith presupposes that sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority.” In other words, a sinner who refuses to repent is not saved, for he cannot cling to his sin and the Savior at the same time. And a sinner who rejects Christ’s authority in his life does not have saving faith, for true faith encompasses a surrender to God. Thus the gospel requires more than making an intellectual decision or mouthing a prayer; the gospel message is a call to discipleship. The sheep will follow their Shepherd in submissive obedience.
Jesus’ repeated warnings to the religious hypocrites of His day as proof that simply agreeing to spiritual facts does not save a person. There must be a heart change. Jesus emphasized the high cost of discipleship: “Whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27), and “Those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples” (verse 33). In the same passage, Jesus speaks of counting the cost;
elsewhere, He stresses total commitment: “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62).
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says that eternal life is a narrow path found by “only a few” (Matthew 7:14); in contrast, some seek to broaden the path so that anyone who has a profession of faith can enter. Jesus says that “every good tree bears good fruit” (verse 17); in contrast, some say that a tree can still be good and bear nothing but bad fruit. Jesus says
that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the kingdom (verses 21-23); in contrast, some teach that saying “Lord, Lord” is good enough.
Paul and James
taught that a true profession of faith will be backed up by evidence of faith. If a person is truly following the Lord, then they will obey the Lord’s instructions. A person who is living in willful, unrepentant sin has obviously not chosen to follow Christ, because Christ calls us out of sin and into righteousness. Indeed, the Bible clearly teaches that faith in Christ will result in a changed life
2 Corinthians 5:17
Galatians 5:22-23
James 2:14-26
@@2Chronicles714_ Amen
@@2Chronicles714_ I copied and pasted this and sent it to my friend. Hope that's ok. Good job
" save us from the sins" that we have turned from", seriously, if we could turn from all sin we dont need a sacrifice.
Exactly
Matthew 18:1-5
At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3And said, Verily I say unto you, EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 WHOSOEVER THEREFORE SHALL HUMBLE HIMSELF as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
How are we converted?
Paul recounts his conversion with Jesus.
Acts 26:14-20
14And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 15And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. 16But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; 17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Verse 18 says that when God drawls you to Him, 7 things happen inside of you. Your eyes are opened, and you turn from darkness to light (this is referred to as conversion) This is repentance a change of mind about your sinfulled life I believe and that will result in a change of direction.
Conversion is the change of direction.
So your eyes are opened you are turned from darkness to light, hence you are set free from the power of satan. You can only be set free from sin, by repentance which is the result of faith (belief) without both you haven't been set free from sin and the end result will be hell. You receive the forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those that are sanctified.
Verse 19 Paul says obeyed his heavenly vision and preached
Verse 20
I preached that they shall repent (turn from) sin to God by faith and show evidence of their repentance (conversion
by their deeds/works.
(change of conduct)
The Free Grace doesn't downplay the importance of repentance. We just say it isn't involved in our redemption by Christ. We are redeemed by the completed work of Christ which is received by faith. Repentance is the first step of godly Christian living following our redemption. We also don't believe in a mere intellectual agreement of the facts. We believe or trust in Jesus to deliver on His promise to provide eternal life to those who believe. It's faith in Jesus and His ability to deliver on His promise.
Having positively examined the Free Grace position, I think it's correct in what it pushes back against. But neither any of the Free Grace advocates not Grudem have a correct concept on what "repentance" is. Luther said repentance involves two parts 1 Contrition for sin 2. Faith .. it's actually in the Augusburg confession. Nothing about turning from sins there..which is why Free Gracers are correct to push back. But the knowledge of sin via the work of the Holy Spirit using the law is essential otherwise being a sinner is a meaningless word and "Christ died for our sins" is meaningless...and faith isn't really in the promise of God.
Huge amen, gruden is a false teacher deceptively as the Bible says they would be.
Repentance means a change of mind. A believer should strive to walk in the spirit and not the flesh . I am a free grace provisionist, by the way!
Amen
Thank you for sharing the wisdom you've been given. Bless and שלום
The clearest gospel message in the Bible is when Peter shared the Gospel with Cornelius and his houseful of guests.
Acts 10:39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross,
40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen.
41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen-by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
It gives a word by word account of the Gospel being shared and people being saved.
Nobody made any promises, confessed anything, or repented from sin. They merely heard and believed every word Peter was speaking. The Holy Spirit’s presence guaranteed assurance of salvation to both Cornelius and his guests.
Why would anybody who heard this message in 2023 be exempt from assurance of salvation if they believed every word?
Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church.
It was the first time in church where some asked how to be saved.
Acts 2:37-41
37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles,(Including John)“Brothers, what shall we do?
38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off. (meaning gentiles) for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
40With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were
added to their number that day.
This twisting of His Precious Grace that we are seeing increasingly, was predicted in scripture.
Jude 1:4
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are UNGODLY PEOPLE, WHO PERVERT THE GRACE of our God into a LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Jesus warned:
Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
1 Timothy 4:1 also great
You are to be accursed preaching a works based gospel
@@watchmanendtimes
So is obeying Jesus's commands works ?
@@2Chronicles714_ belief isn't a work .clearly following the law and turning from sins is and only mental midgets like you would say otherwise .
Trust Christ 100 percent to go to heaven or go to hell
Your choice
@@watchmanendtimes
We are justified through faith in the Person and Work of Jesus. Yes and amen!
But I wonder why God commands us to do righteousness and justice through obedience to His commandments?
I participate in a Bible study group. A particular woman suffers from delusional suspicion that I desire her. She has slandered me to others, who in turn, also sin against me - even gossiping in such a way that has damaged my reputation among other evil things. These people say they are not to strive to obey the 10 Commandments as that would be denying grace. They say the Holy Spirit controls them and leads them in the way of love.
Yet they are some of the most evil “Christians” with whom I have had the displeasure of studying Scripture.
God’s moral law is the law of love. We have been freed from the bondage to sin (sin simply doing anti-love in thought word or deed) in order that we might walk in a new way of love.
Yet countless Christians are taught that striving by the enabling power of the Holy Spirit and freedom in Christ to love God and others through obedience of God’s commands denies grace. What damnable heresy.
Yes. We are justified by grace through faith. But before we are glorified, we are being sanctified. The entire New Testament is Jesus teaching obedience to the deepest level of the Ten Commandments. And what are Paul’s letters to the Churches and the other epistles all about? Well, how we are to behave and think and speak. Sprinkled throughout are dire warnings to believers that liars, thieves, sexually immoral, revilers, disobedient, murderers, etc., etc., will not inherit the Kingdom.
Work out your salvation with fear and trembling. God will not be mocked. Be doers of the word and not hearers only. Our congregations are absolutely full of false converts who say they believe and love Jesus but clearly do not know Him. They love their sin and they prefer to think that they can safely ignore Jesus and Paul’s teachings regarding how we are to operate as blood bought and paid for redeemed people. Your life is no longer yours. Put off the old self. Put on the new. What do we think that means? It means YOU and ME - all of us are to be DO-ing this walk of faith through obedience in righteousness and justice.
Now, go and sin no more!
I didn’t say that. JESUS said that!
Do we not understand? God’s moral law is a reflection of God’s perfect holiness - His perfect love! Do we reject it and call it a curse?!
No!! But it is a curse to those who are lost - those who remain in bondage to sin. Those are the ones who hate God’s moral law. But to those who are being saved, the Ten Commandments are sweet and pure and lovely and honorable and obeying them leads to the flourishing of men and to joy and true life.
But my sisters in Christ in my Bible study group believe the lie that they are not to obey God’s commandments and think that this faith is hugging and squeezing the Holy Spirit and seeking signs and wonders and chills up and down their spine.
Bringing up obedience to God’s commandments and it is as if I have become Satan, himself.
They scream, “Jesus is the end of the law! Jesus is the end of the law!
No, ma’am!
Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness. Let’s not leave out the last half of that verse. And let’s not wrongly interpret the word “end.” Those who think the “end” connotes “no more” are deceived. The proper connotation is “goal.”
The Ten Commandments are the means to an end for righteousness. Properly interpreted, Jesus, like the moral law is become that end (goal) for righteousness.
Jesus didn’t come to abolish the law. He came to fulfill it. His fulfilling it was strictly that He be the unstained, unblemished Lamb of God for sacrifice. Just because He perfectly lived it (fulfilled it) dies nothing to change how we are to approach it other than that we are forgiven when we fail to live it perfectly. Just because we often fail doesn’t mean we aren’t supposed to strive to walk in obedience to the Ten Commandments. I mean, Jesus summed the Ten Commandments as love God and love neighbor! And the only way to do that is to know the word thoroughly and walk in obedience to it.
Paul shares LOTS of do, do, do’s and don’t, don’t, don’ts!
Listen to him. Listen to Jesus. Matthew, chapter six is loaded with moral law straight from the mouth of Jesus.
To obey Him is to honor Him. Do it!!
Not for justification.
No. Not at all.
But for sanctification and abundant life and peace!
it is appreciated that this is seen as an in house discussion.
"an internal resolve to turn from sin doesn't mean we're adding good works to salvation"
Yes it does. If you think that in order to go to Heaven you need to stop certain sins or make lifestyle changes, you are to some extent trying to earn your salvation by being good enough. You are not resting by faith alone in the accomplishment of Jesus Christ on the cross as being all that is necessary to go to Heaven.
And by the way, I don't consider Lordship Salvationists to be evangelical brethren. I consider them to be works-salvationists who are unfortunately still lost.
Who is that pastor you post! … and if you could post more videos explaining scripture and topics on salvation… that would be great 👍🏽 ☺️
Turning from sin is one of the consequences of being born again. It is not the means by which a right standing before God is received.
Amen!
@@someperson9536 Turning from sin is a work Christians SHOULD do AFTER salvation, but it is NOT an inevitable consequence of salvation. The Bible teaches Christians still retain a sin nature after salvation which they can yield to [Romans 6:16, Romans 7:14-15, Galatians 5:17].
Just read 1 Corinthians if you don't believe me, and see what type of sins were plaguing that church.
@@Pulse_Carri Hi, thanks so much for the encouragement!
The Pastor's name is Dennis Rokser from Duluth Bible Church.
Repent doesn't mean to repent of your sins as the bible refers to repenting from sin or turning from your evil way as works (Jonah 3:10 - And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way. And God repented of the evil which he intended upon them. Etc) Also the word repent in the new testament from the Greek word "metanoia" (meta= To change, to turn or to shift. And noia = thought, or thinking) in other words means to change your mind. To quote the word repentance with the pre assumption or snuck premise that it means to repent of your sins is wrong and deceptive.
Words are defined by their usage. Words are not defined by their root meaning. The clear usage of repentance in New Testament times is a turning from sins, not just a change of mind.
Why would saved people be measuring their level of performance and good works to be sure of salvation if Christ has already accomplished the work on the cross? It’s basically saying Christ’s sacrifice is enough, but we need to make sure it is! Contradictory!
Salvation makes a difference, but I don't always know what that looks like in others. I see the fruit, God sees the root. Thus I make room in my mind for the Samsons, Solomons, and Lots - the disappointing Christian.
@@williammarinelli2363 You make a fair point here. I just take the point that salvation is accomplished through our faith in the savior who died for us then as a result we become God’s workmanship. We should rejoice in the gift offered by God and received by us without worrying about whether or not we have the ‘workmanship’ as this is a natural follow on from being saved. And yes, as you mentioned, there are the Lot’s and Solomon’s etc that should be seen as a wake up call for us all. From my experience, I have never come across an Antinomian Free Gracer who is sure of his/her faith in Christ’s accomplished victory on the cross over sin and death and knows that by Christ alone is any soul saved.
at 0:38 he say that Free Grace position downplay the need to repent. This is actually not true. Most Free Grace teachers and people who promote that theology hold that repenting is important to have a close fellowship with God. They just do not believe that repenting of sin is a condition of salvation. They hold to this because Johns Gospel does not mention repentance of sin in the entire book. Wayne Grudem is not a good person to go to for information on what Free Grace teaches. He misrepresents the theology all the time.
Thank you!
Exactly. It's like going to an arminian to learn about calvinism. Agree with any theology or not, you need to go to the people who actually adhere to it to fond out what they believe. I wouldn't ask a historian to teach me calculus.
This gentleman has no idea what free grace theology is
I agree. He is a Calvinist.
@@skippy3136 Another word for recycled Roman Catholic?
The bible talks about dead faith, false conversions . Why did Jesus say you must be born again if all you need is intellectual faith. Are they saved under free grace? No!
A few points/observations on this topic. We are saved by putting our faith in Jesus Christ as our personal Savior (e.g. John 3:16,36; 1 John 5:12) which is by Grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9; Acts 16:31). Putting faith in Christ is simultaneously repentance (change of mind/metanoia) as turning from sin (the sin of unbelief, Rom. 14:23c) -- from trusting anything other than Christ as the Savior --, and now trusting in Jesus Christ as the personal Savior.
I think one key in understanding the issue and applying free grace theology properly is to differentiate between relationship with God (salvation which is permanent and immutable once entered) and fellowship with God (discipleship which is often a volatile experience in the growing process). Salvation is eternally secure once entered into that relationship as salvation was the work of God, ... He saved us (He drew us, He gave us the faith and He urged us to put our faith in Christ as our personal Savior, and He regenerated us, etc.) as is its (the salvation's) safekeeping the work of God.
But fellowship with God is always an invitation to cooperate, to be available to let Him do the work in us, through us, and for us, although He Himself actually performs that work in us, through us and for us (e.g. Phil. 1:6). The "normal" Christian life is one of growing in His grace and knowledge (2 Peter 3:18) and therefore living in fellowship with God (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, e.g. 1 Cor. 1:9, 2 Cor. 13:14, 1 John 1:3,7) which will result in an outward manifestation of a transformed life. But let's not forget the principle of 1 Sam. 16:7c.
If someone says that they are a Christian because they put their faith in Christ as their personal Savior, I look at them as a brother/sister in Christ. If someone tells me that they have anything other (pointing to good works, fruit, behavior, performance, a changed life, etc.) than solely Christ as their grounds of salvation, then obviously they are not saved, because they haven't put their faith in Christ as their personal Savior. And that's the scary part when people point to other things than their faith in Christ alone as Savior, because then their salvation is based on other grounds than belief in Christ as Savior. When I stand before God some day and if hypothetically the question was asked why I should be here in His presence for all eternity, then my only answer is "Jesus Christ, He is my Savior" as He died for me and paid for all my sins, ... it's finished, and I trusted in Him as my Savior (and my name was written into the Lamb's Book of Life at the moment/point of salvation). There's nothing else I want to point to, because neither he who plants is anything nor he who waters is anything, but He Who gives the increase (1 Cor. 3:7), ... the same for growing in Christ and performing the works He prepared for us beforehand (Eph. 2:10), ... it's all His work, ... I can't take any credit whatsoever and I can't and I don't want to point to anything other than to Christ as my Savior alone. God bless!
OK Grudem is again not representing what all Free Grace believe at faith. I even don't believe that faith is about reading facts and saying you believe facts. I do believe that faith is appropriating the believe as to oneself. In other words believing that Jesus died for my sin and raising from the dead. The personal aspect of faith is necessary and many in the Free Grace believe that including Jody Dillow.
The simplicity of saving faith is what's so "difficult" about it. You either BELIEVE the gospel or you don't. You cannot believe in something you've never heard and do not understand. Belief is repentance. Metanoia (repentance) "simply" means to change your mind (from unbelief to belief). Salvation is a discovery, not a decision. The very first thing men want to do is make faith a work. One hears the gospel (maybe many times) and discovers they believe it. Saving faith is a gift from God. It's the only "proof" that you've been born from above. "Which were BORN, not of blood, nor of THE WILL of the flesh, nor of THE WILL of man, but of GOD." We are free! However, with freedom comes responsibility. Your Father will discipline you to the measure you abuse your freedom in this life. Not the next. You CANNOT be un-born! The absolute sovereignty of God is the most assuring doctrine of salvation there is. Not one's performance.
1:22 “two aspects to faith in Christ” so how many sins exactly must one turn from in order to be saved? All of them? Just the really bad ones? You’re adding works as a condition for salvation. No, one is justified at the moment they believe in Jesus’ promise for eternal life. Repentance is part of the believer’s lifelong sanctification process.
To learn what free grace theology REALLY is, read Confident in Christ by Robert N. Wilkin and Absolutely Free by Zane C Hodges.
I would submit that those two titles are a very slim representation to Free Grace Theology. If you really want to understand the tenets of FG Theology, read "Free Grace Theology: 5 Ways It Magnifies the Gospel" edited by Grant Hawley, and "A Defense of Free Grace Theology" edited by Fred Chay. Both of these interact with Grudem and are a collection of FG authors.
@@jeremyedmondson6390 Thank you. I took a screenshot so I have it for the future. Right now I have pulled away from studying free grace theology. I'm just resting in the LORD right now. I always find that when I get too much into it, I get legalistic about it. The main reason I like free grace theology is because of my legalism in the 1st place.
When I came across Free Grace Theology in 2006, I was immediately relieved at how the Bible made so much more sense. It was liberating!!!
@@jeremyedmondson6390 indeed
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A warning against this new End Times Falling Away doctrine;
Jude1:4
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about b long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord
Wayne Grudem is absolutely right on this.
Please the Lord
The rebuttal books on his book really win the debate
Isn't Wayne Grudmen a Calvinist who they are not sure 100% if they've been elected/saved or not by God. They believe that God decides who goes to heaven or not. So the Calvinist lives in doubt and fear. Free Grace Theology is the only way. Study about it. God Bless
How do you define free grace theology?
So, who decides?
@@ConniePrice4 God decides, and he has decided to save everybody who places their faith in him.
Repentance isn't works. Sin is called works of the flesh. I honestly don't know which is true. But I will say that "good deeds" definitely count as works right? But if we are a fornicator and a thief and a murderer in practice and say we are saved by faith alone yet in practice remain a adulterer, murderer, anf fornicator, aren't we denying what Paul taught when he said that those who live in these ways will not enter the kingdom of God? And when he said this he was talking to believers, saying don't walk as the rest of the world does.
Repentance and faith or believe trust 2 sides of same coin
The fruit of repentance should begin with water baptism and all other works unto him for rewards.
Biblical difference between justification and sanctification
Here’s the difficulty with the gentleman’s thesis. He stated we turn from sin, we resolve to Christ trusting him for our salvation. This turning from sin is called repentance. If we are talking about repentance from sin we would have to conclude that one has ceased from the sin. If it is just confess or feel bad about it or determine to not sin we run into all sorts of difficulties. I think even the most hardline lordship salvation believer will concede that believers still have some sin. If the believer still has some sin how could they have repented? One might say, well they don’t have anymore big sins. Ok, what constitutes big or little and who decides that? Of course it’s the pastor right? The wages of sin is death, this big or little stuff leaves everything so unsettled. Death is the penalty whether a particular sin is big or little in our estimation. Now the way I deal with this problem is not by denying a believer their salvation if they have a sound profession but fellowship. If a brother or sister is fornicator, this is openly known to engage in this behavior we don’t fellowship with them. To hopefully lead them to stop doing that and thereby qualify for fellowship again. It doesn’t say in order to show them they never were a believer. It is a fellowship issue, the health of the body is more important than individual members. If you must stop some behavior or start some behavior and calling that faith doesn’t make it not works. It’s just adding the leaven of works to the cake of Faith by altering definitions to make words mean what you want them too.
Repentance means that you realize that you are a guilty sinner,and you change your mind about your sinfulled life and turn to living for and serving Jesus.
It doesn't mean you're saying that you'll never sin again.
It means you change the direction of your life away from sin and to Jesus.
A change of mind will result in a change of conduct.
John clearly states we must repent and believe
John 1:14-15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
That's Mark 1:15
I don't see anything wrong with FREE GRACE based on the scripture .
There is nothing wrong that Jesus healed the 38 years impotent man on the Sabbath
8Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. 9And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath. 10The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
'But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. '
Matthew 3:7-10
And what are you asserting based on this scripture???
@@gregorylatta8159 Christians are to bear fruit worthy of repentance otherwise they're false converts and will be thrown into hell. Pretty simple.
Dear brother, Repentance, Greek, a changing of the flag. It is changing of the mind in every way you thought you could be justified, from your way to Gods way. By grace through faith on Yeshúa as your salvation. Yas trust Him as a person as you say, but no one can promise to "Turn from sin ." Saints confound salvation with sanctification. I never repented from sin 45 years ago. But I repented from my own filthy rags righteousness to Christs righteousness, an He saved me in my bedroom! And He by the Spirit confirmed it then and since. 1st John 5:13. Love in our scared Master Yeshúa Wayne, Barry
You define it basically the same way I do. I was an agnostic before I was saved 47 years ago. I wasn't sure if God even existed or if evolution was the way we got here. I don't remember exactly how long it took but over a period of weeks or perhaps months God was working on me. I finally repented about evolution and believed in God as our Creator, but I still wasn't born again. It was soon after that "repentance" that God sent someone to witness to me from Isaiah 53 one night. I was shown by the Holy Spirit that the passage was about the sufferings and death of Jesus Christ for my sins. I refused to trust Christ that night but one week later I went to this mans' church and was led to Christ by him at the end of the service. So. my repentance and my faith in Christ did not really take place at the same time. It was not until I placed my faith in Christ for salvation that I was instantly born again and knew it. Btw, I never even heard the word repent before I came to trust Christ.
The best type of repentance is when people repent without knowing that they are repenting. Why make repentance the object when Jesus is the source of repentance? Just point people to the person of Jesus and the repentance will follow.
Please define what you mean by " repentance" as it relates to salvation.
Repentance means that you realize that you are a guilty vile sinner in the presence of God,that you deserve the wrath and punishment of God. That you are hell bound. It means that you begin to realize that this thing called sin is in you and that you long to get rid of it,and that you turn your back on it in every shape and form you renounce the world,whatever the cost,the world in its mind and outlook as well as its practices and you deny yourself and take up your cross and go after Christ. Your nearest and dearest and the whole world may call you a fool or say you have religious mania. You may have to suffer financially, but it makes no difference. That is repentance. It becomes an ongoing way of life. The repentance that starts at salvation starts a progressive lifelong process of confessing sin. 1 John 1:9 we go on confessing our sin. The active continuous attitude of repentance produces the poverty of the spirit,the mourning, the meekness that characterizes true believers in the Beatitudes of Matthew 5. Repentance produces a new way of life,not just a different opinion of Christ,a new way of life. Those who heard Jesus preach knew what He was calling for. He wasn't asking them just to change their opinion about Him. They knew what Isaiah said when Isaiah preached. This is what Isaiah 1:16 says:wash and make yourselves clean. Take your evil deeds out of my sight,stop doing wrong.17 Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.18 "Come now, let us settle the matter", says the Lord."Though your sins are like scarlet,they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson,they shall be like wool. If you wash yourselves,if you make yourselves clean the progression begins internally and then manifests itself in attitudes and actions. Isaiah 55:6-7
Seek the Lord while He may be found,
call ye upon him while He is near: 7 Let the wicked forsake his way,and the unrighteous man his thought:and let him return unto the Lord,and he will have mercy on him;and to our God,for He will abundantly pardon. He'll pardon when the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man forsakes his thoughts and turns to the Lord.
2 Chronicles 7:14
IF my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS then I will hear from heaven and FORGIVE THEIR SINS and heal their land.
No, we differ on what "repentance" means.
THen the thief on the cross was not saved, he didn't distinguish between being saved and the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
2:10. “ if you believe those facts then you have eternal life” yep because that’s what the bible teaches in many verses.
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
“Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,”
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 ESV
At the end you’re basically saying you need works to prove you’re saved, if you haven’t turned from your sins etc. How many sins? Which ones? Just the big ones or? Because the The apostle Paul specially says in Romans that it’s not of works, we are justified by faith alone, no works are needed at all. If someone believes Christ and dies 2 mins later, we would all agree they was saved as they trusted Christ, but all of a sudden you change it to believing in Christ and dying 10 years later, it’s about checking for the works.
Well said. When theologians attack mental assent they are really advocating for justification by faith and works. They simply can not stand on belief in the gospel alone, apart from works of the law for salvation. When one changes his mind and believes(assents) to the Gospel then he is saved that simple.
Repentance isn't works. Sin is called works of the flesh. I honestly don't know which is true. But I will say that "good deeds" definitely count as works right? But if we are a fornicator and a thief and a murderer in practice and say we are saved by faith alone yet in practice remain a adulterer, murderer, anf fornicator, aren't we denying what Paul taught when he said that those who live in these ways will not enter the kingdom of God? And when he said this he was talking to believers, saying don't walk as the rest of the world does.
@@not_worthless2813 it depends how you define repentance, some define as a change of mind and some define as turning from sin, like in Jonah 3:10 where they turned from their evil ways. This is not a condition of salvation, faith alone is though.
In the gospel according to John, the only book written for the sole purpose of convincing us to believe, it says believe over and over again, to lead us to faith in Christ. The same as in Paul’s defence of the gospel in Galatians, he never mentions repentance as a condition of salvation. It’s faith alone. Don’t let people double talk and say it’s faith alone but then slip works of the law in.
If we practice fornication or any other sin for that matter, we will lose fellowship with God and we will lose rewards and our joy etc but you will still be saved, yet as by fire. Paul never says you won’t enter the kingdom, he says you won’t inherit the kingdom. An inheritance is for someone who is already in the family, it’s about rewards, if he was speaking about entering, this would be a major contradiction as he says for by works of the law no flesh is justified in His sight and that it’s by grace through faith and not of works otherwise grace is no longer grace.
@@letstalktech96 Basically you just said you can believe Jesus justified you, and continue to fornicate. But there is a second step to our walk with Christ. It's called sanctification. God does a work in us and makes us more like His son. But a person can most definitely resist this process, and never change. And possibly even go about their life as if they never believed. I don't think I agree with you on this point about inheiritance. I don't believe it's okay to live in rebellion to God. To me that would appear to be the same as rejecting His gift of salvation. I'm not saying God isn't for those people but he will separate the sheep from the goats. And according to Jesus these people called Him, "Lord Lord!"
@@not_worthless2813 faith alone for salvation, and then we deny ourselves daily in respect of our daily sanctification. We grow in His grace and are confirmed to His image. We can and do resist his will in our lives, but He is patient and long suffering with us, He disciplines his children. Even if you don’t agree on inheritance part, paul isn’t saying if you practise these things you’re not saved… he even says and such were some of you, but you were washed, you were sanctified. He encourages us not to live like them because we have been saved. Look at the Corinthians and the sins they committing, like the guy committing
fornication with his fathers wife.
I don’t believe it’s okay to live in rebellion to God, not sure where you’ve gotten that from? Sounds like the same objector when paul says some say shall we do evil that good may come or shall we continue in sin so grace may abound, may it never be!!
The sheep and the goats judgment is about a specific time period, where all believers left alive at the time will have been faithful to Christ by serving the Jewish people through the tribulation. The goats are unbelievers. All the believers who came to faith after the rapture and who was not faithful would have died in the tribulation, leaving the faithful ones alive.
The lord lord passage again is not about genuine Christian’s, they are not boasting in the finished work of our Lord and saviour, they are boasting in themselves, they’re looking to themselves to be justified…. Didn’t we cast out demons, didn’t we prophecy in the name of Jesus and do MANY WONDERFUL WORKS…. Jesus will say to them I NEVER knew you, not that they He used to know them but then they committed one to many sins… the unbeliever shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Hope this helps
Have you turned from all your sins?
We should repent of sins. “After” we are saved.
Judas repented and he still went to hell.
How come Jesus never mentioned repentance in His evangelical book of John. He said to believe. (Put your trust in) in Him.
You’re not trusting in Jesus to save you if you think you have to repent of sins to be saved.
where in the bible does it say Judas went to hell? Secondly, Judas was only recorded to have remorse- to have remorse does NOT necessarily mean repetenace.
@@leonardu6094 that’s where unbelievers go.
Judas was a thief, he stole from the money bag, He betrayed Jesus, and even Jesus called him the son of perdition. The only other person he called that was Satan:
“Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.”
John 6:70-71 KJV
“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.”
John 17:12 KJV
Unlike perverted Grace theology, Free Grace theology means well (but is false)
Why didn't you mention knowing Christ as Lord of your life as necessary for salvation? "If you confess with your mouth the Lordship of Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, :Lord,' enters the Kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father,." We don't work to get int0o heaven; we work out of gratitude that we are going to heaven. In our gratitude, we trust Christ as Lord of our lives. Accepting Jesus as your savior is not mentioned in the Bible one time.
""If you confess with your mouth the Lordship of Jesus " Any translation that says that is a blatantly false transaltion. It does not say that and that is definitely NOT what that verse means. It is not our surrender to the Lordship of Christ that saves anyone, but our acknowledgement of who Jesus is, the Lord, and what He did for us in His death, burial, and resurrection. Lordship salvation is rank heresy not taught anywhere in the Bible and certainly not in that verse which you misquoted from a really bad translation.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." This is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT statement from what you quoted.
Wayne Grudem is mostly wrong and freegracers are 💯 % wrong.
Paul: Allegiance/ *pistis* , trusting obedience, *hypakoe pisteusin* , ist counted as covenant faithfulness/ *dikaiosyne* without converting into Judaism via halachic works ( *erga nomou* ).
Obedience is a part of saving faith. Not automatically following saving faith (Grudem) nor optional (free grace). The New Perspective on Paul makes that clear. So when Wayne Grudem says, it is just a dispute between brothers, that may be the case. *But if both preach essentially the same wrong gospel, then....*
This is a very poor representation of Free Grace Theology.
This guy is just trusting himself.
It boils down to this , If one is truly saved they will show good fruit .. Different people grow differently in their sanctification though it seems.. One who has been raised biblically illiterate is not going to grow as quickly as one who has been taught biblical things growing up.. The sincerity of one's heart is what GOD takes into account.. Good works doesn't cause salvation good works n faith do not equal salvation but sincere honest trust in CHRIST equals salvation thus producing good works.. By the way it's hard to find a verse in the bible that says repent of your sins and believe to be saved instead of repent and believe to be saved..
Wayne Grudem is not saved. He's trusting in his works and going to hell!!!!!!
Agreed he is a Calvinist and is trusting in his "good works" for salvation.
So do you still misuse the verse about being led into all truth (the context was about gnostics claiming to have a hold on truth and Jesus being incarnate truth, the all wasn't being literal ) to spiritually bully people into believing your interpretation of scripture is infallible and on par with Christ Himself?
Im not even arguing against free grace right now, just you guys take so much out of context that I have a hard time taking you seriously.
Sad sad. So smart and yet so lost.
Salvation is never conditional upon anything, "turning from sin", etc. If it could resemble a condition, it would be agreeing with the Lord that your sins have separated you from God, and you are already CONDEMNED JOHN 3:18 "...already CONDEMNED"... Do to the commandments, and then BELEIVING on the Son. At that instant Christ LITERALLY SAVES YOU, COMES INTO YOU AS WELL AS THE FATHER, MAKING THEIR ABODE, AND YOU SIMULTANEOUSLY RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE SPIRIT. SALVATION IS SUPERNATURAL. THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT, is spirit. Yes brother, no mental assent to facts, but a confession your lost condition, and BELEIVING on a person, the Son and His finished work for yourself . A new spirit, a new heart, constant battles between flesh and Spirit etc. The desire to please the Lord out of His eternal love for you, constraining you. But your explanation is surely different from others who hold this Lordship salvation (false doctrine) of conditional salvation or, repentance (turn from sin) which is literally impossible. You do not espouse Lordship salvation. You phrase it correctly, ie, BELEIVING on a person. Love in our perpetual servant ("but ears you have digged me", Psalms, Barry.
"The free grace movement would say..." Movements don't say anything. The position of those holding the opposing view should be presented in their own words with citations as to who said what. He should repent of building a straw man and engage in honest, good faith discussion.
We (free grace preachers) downplay the need to repent of sin for salvation because there’s no such teaching in the Bible. Repentance for salvation is repenting of unbelief. Paul proves it here: “Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
Acts 19:4 KJV
Repentance must be undertook in context. In the context of salvation, it always means turning from unbelief. In fact, God repented most in the Bible (and he never sinned).
Gruden says believers must have proof that they’re saved. Well what about these guys? “Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.”-John 12:42-43 KJV
@@hp6361 I agree with everything you said about the Lordshippers misunderstanding repentance. I’m not sure they’ve rightly identified any false converts, because a person who is trusting in his ability to repent of sin to save him, is a false convert.
Please the Lord