AtGames Legends Core MAX Review: Upgraded CPU + Pinball Tables @1080p
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- In this video, we'll check out the Legends Core MAX. This upgraded model easily connect to your TV and allows you to play Pinball tables at 1080p/60fps, 100 built-in Retro Arcade/Console games with the ability to add thousands more using a USB stick. The latest information may be found on the Legends Core MAX Guide here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alcoremax
Where to find the Legends Core MAX
* Amazon: amzn.to/3NN8oPd
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:48 - Unboxing
03:30 - Setup
04:49 - Pre-installed Games
05:29 - Game Play Examples
07:21 - Tabs and Settings
08:51 - CoinOpsX
10:07 - Pinball
11:39 - Outro
Where to find a Legends Core MAX:
* AtGames (Reservation) : www.atgames.us/products/legen...
Accessories (Amazon) :
* Micro USB Push On/Off switch: amzn.to/3iJtQYl
* Samsung MUF-256AB/AM FIT Plus 256GB (Flash drive I'm using): amzn.to/3wB5PbG
* Anker 4-Port USB 3.0 Hub (unpowered and shown in this video): amzn.to/3qWd5h5
* Wired Controller for Xbox 360 (shown/used for this video): amzn.to/3LtAVso
Additional AtGames Guides:
* Legends Core MAX Guide: wagnerstechtalk.com/alcoremax
* Legends Pinball Mod Series: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp-mod1
* Legends Gamer Mini Guide: wagnerstechtalk.com/algm
* Legends Ultimate Mini Guide: wagnerstechtalk.com/alum
* Main Legends Ultimate Guide: wagnerstechtalk.com/alu
* Main Legends Pinball Guide: wagnerstechtalk.com/alp
* CoinOpsX Guide (Horizontal): wagnerstechtalk.com/al-coinopsx
* CoinOpsX Guide (Vertical): wagnerstechtalk.com/al-coinopsxv
* Legends Core Guide: wagnerstechtalk.com/alcore
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Another great video! Thank you, i like the little tips like the USB switch in especial, as well as your effort to write everything down in a written guide on your website 👍🏼
I appreciate it MashTec, thank you for watching my friend!
Another quality video Jon well done
Thank you my friend!
Thanks for this video. Time to make some custom builds
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you for watching!
Yes, sounds like a good base for a custom built Arcade machine.
Another great video. 🙂
Let's hope the chefs come up with better saUCEs for the core max and ALP
I hope so too!
Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Very nice, thank you for the info!
Glad it was helpful!
Nicely done video. I would have like to see a head-to-head comparison between the Core and the Core Max for pinball, as I can't imagine there is any noticeable difference between the two models for the arcade games. I'm trying to decide on whether I should wait until June and pay more for the extra horsepower or go with the currently available puck.
Thank you! Good point regarding h2h between core/core max. I'll keep that in mind for a follow-up video once I have more to show.
Nice presentation. I have the Legend Mini and enjoy playing the games... I'll have to get mine connected online so I can try out their free games. Thanks for the reminder :)
I guess i should’ve picked this up but I’ll wait till they upgrade the coinopsx packs…Dreamcast games were a lot of fun back in the day Jon
Hoping to be able to demonstrate Dreamcast running on the LCM in the coming weeks.
The older AtGames units could play some CPS3 and Midway games but sometimes struggle. On the Pro, when I tried to set up configuration on Street Fighter 3, it crashed back to the CoinOpsX menu. Do these issues still persist on the Max?
Do I need a empty thumb drive to format and mount the pinball games on there?
You will need a USB thumb drive/stick, then see 08:03 on how to prepare it for use. Any further questions, just let me know.
April fools...you didn't fool me!
Updated: I have a Legends Pro and Legends Pinball table. Their weak QC for firmware and the need to sign in every 5th time to play CoinOps X has kind of killed a lot of my enthusiasm. If AtGames were to have network issues, or fold- stuck with a paper weight. At least my pinball tables are linked to my cab and I can use the Legends Pro as a controller. Wish they offered a Premium fee to get rid of the need to sign in.
Agree with the sign in/out thing, it's a pain sometimes. Seems a bit better lately here, but was happening more frequently over a month ago. Their firmware hasn't been updated in over a month, they are trying to get a handle on quality releases from what I can tell. Much better than having weekly releases (IMO). Too many systems to QA and the product became increasingly complex. Hopefully we'll find the next fw update to worth the wait and gone through more thorough testing.
@@WagnersTechTalk SO just so I understand, to play coinops x I need an internet connection, the problem for me if this is the case is this. I do not have a dedicated internet connection where I want to play the coinop x games, I have to use the xfinity wifi roaming signal at my townhouse and my main router/connection is at another house.
Great review and very detailed. My only question is, what pinball tables work on the Core max? The ALP tables? Or the arcade family of products tables? It is never been clear yet.
Thank you! When you go to select one of the tables (example here: www.atgames.us/collections/pinball-tables-1/products/taito-pinball-tables-volume-3-4-tables ), you'll see a drop-down in black. There you will select the 'Legends Pinball/Legends Core Max' option for the Core Max. It's nice that AtGames has made this easier.
@@WagnersTechTalk finally after all this time there is an answer. Thank you! RIP to the people that bought tables for the original core as those seemingly aren’t moving forward on the max. Even though that is called a “core” also…….confusing branding.
I get why Atgames did it from a behinds the scenes standpoint, but this product targets those who run the current puck and want to upgrade. So these people who are running the 720p pinball tables are asked to rebuy the tables in 1080p. Not great.
@@-haso they really need to just bite the bullet and unite the pinball packs together. Buy a pack once and it will download whatever version works for the device you are on.
Can I connect this to my alp and use my controller panel to play the games?
I've used the MAX with the ALU, and all you need is the HDMI cable and power to the max and when you press the channel button select APL (not OTG). But yes, should work just fine on the ALP also. Really depends on what your intentions are. Are you wanting to just play Arcade games on the ALP? If so, you don't need the core or core max for that. Just a USB stick and this guide: wagnerstechtalk.com/al-coinopsxv
Does anyone happen to know if a USB encoder could be used to attach devices to the Core/Core Max?
It might, I've not personally tried one. There are a number of supported controllers here: wagnerstechtalk.com/alcontrollers/
Can i use it in alu? Because the hardware inside is toi slow for blue dolphin métal slug 6 and other games
See 04:21
Nice piece of tech although I have to say lad, 3 years on and I'm using my Nvidia Shield TV Pro for all my arcade needs.
Since AtGames is making improvements, I hope they some day correct the very slight AUDIO LAG found in all Legends Devices for coinopsx + built in games...Everything would be golden if this was fixed, but otherwise Pi3/Pi4, Shieldtv, & PC are better. "Action happens slightly before the Sound" >> see example of Audio Lag here>> czcams.com/video/RzaKFax9h1U/video.html and here>>czcams.com/users/clipUgkxklNfln_Wbu-wlYwBu0CyBLBRFpwmi-2h and here>>czcams.com/video/kDUy_FAu1do/video.html
I have a legends gamer mini with a coinopsx usb. Can I use that on a core max and will the menu navigation be faster? or do I have to start from scratch?
You can, you'll need to re-format using Flash Drive X (won't erase your CoinOpsX games), then re-install CoinOpsX and you should be good to go. It will allow faster menu navigation.
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you! One more question and I’ll leave you alone lol. Is it safe to leave the device on for extended periods of time, or should I use the micro usb switch to turn it off each time I’m done?
Should be fine leaving it plugged in, if you prefer.
Hello everything is fine! What is the maximum pendrive capacity the console supports?
I'm not sure there is an upper limit. I've heard it can go well beyond 1TB, but I have not personally tested beyond 256GB.
@@WagnersTechTalk thanks.
I've updated my legends core max and I am now getting ready for the coin-ops saucy. So, my 256g Samsung USB has 2 partitions created on Win10, a 16mb fat32 and the remaining as exfat with the add-on-x stuff. I've successfully run the add-on-x tool on the large exfat drive. So now, I plug the Samsung into a usb hub connected to my Core Max. It is the only usb device other than a game controller. However, I am unable to get the core max to flashdrive-x format it. I think the problem is that I am not logged in. For the life of me, I cannot figure out how to log in again. Please help. Also, how can I be sure that I have been successful with my original upgrading of the core max? Thanks again in advance. You have helped me with other things in the past.
On the CoinOpsX guide, you'll see orange blocks that let you know that some of the more recent devices include 16GB of Flash Memory (Core Max is one of them). You only need a single partition for CoinOpsX, there is no FDX currently enabled for the Max (may change later). Basically, do the same thing you just did, but don't create the initial FAT32 partition, only the exFat partition+setup. Then, install COX to the internal memory of the MAX and you should be rock'n and roll'n.
@@WagnersTechTalk Thank you very much! I will give it a try.
Isn't it the same chip as the pinball cab? Yep!
Yes indeed, the rk3399.
I wonder if you could hook this up to an intec joystick to an arcade1up? Anybody have both laying around to test?
I don't have the Intec stick, not sure.
if you have the intec with the wireless converter it might work. as is it acts like a bluetooth switch controller whereas the arcade1up by default likes the Xbox 360 style controllers so you'd have to use a converter to make it convert from switch style to 360 style controller.
Hey great video, was wondering if coon ops collection will work with the max, thank you
Yes, CoinOpsX will work on the Core Max. Here's how to set it up: wagnerstechtalk.com/al-coinopsx
@@WagnersTechTalk thanks for reply I was talking about the coin ops collection addition, I believe it’s the most recent version made for the PC and you have to download consoles separately. It’s the largest coin OOS build
I've not used it for the PC, sorry I can't answer at this time.
Stand alone the AtGames legends product line and development have not been all that impressive and their customer service is simply horrible. When the original core was first released I preordered it and when I got I was expecting it to work with 3rd party Bluetooth controllers like they said it would but it never did. I tried returning it and they claimed I never bought one from them even though I had proof of purchase and they simply said they had no records of it. I ended up selling on my local Craigslist loosing money on it. Eventually I ended up up buying a Gamer Pro used for cheap on eBay and don’t get me wrong, the build quality on the Gamer Pro is great but kind of ends there, at least for me. They are still using old chip sets and they spend so much time focusing on pinball and pixel boards. Even the older Raspberry Pi 3B can out emulate their chips for retro gaming. They make lots of promises about devices that they simply never produce. What happened to that light gun? Did they ever get 3rd party Bluetooth controllers working? They have needed the community to make their products better. CoinOpsX is a perfect example. My core would be a paperweight without it. Lately I’ve used the control deck to play Future Pinball and a Batocera build on my PC and on a Android TV box with Emuelec. Maybe it’s just me but there seems to be a number of “retro gaming” CZcamsrs content creators that are a very close bunch that simply gush over everything AtGames does. Almost like they are paid to give positive reviews and promote what ever AtGames is pitching/promising and to push their own AtGames approved accessories. Advice, if you have everything working especially with a CoinOpsX build, don’t do any firmware updates that AtGames pushes. It’s will just screw something up.
Hi Joey, thank you for sharing your experiences with the core and AtGames customer service. I do know AtGames has been focused on improving their customer service in recent months. They've also implemented a better system to handle communications and a chat option. 3rd party controllers do work, I've tested a handful that I have here. As mentioned in the video, there are some shortcomings (be sure to watch the end where I elaborate). I've provided my feedback regarding the mentioned GamePad latency directly to AtGames (one of the issues I mentioned). Hopefully, no customers will experience that as a result. The RK3399 is actually very powerful, though without games that take advantage of it, a missed opportunity at this point. Don't think there was any point where I was gushing about the product but stating what you can do with it, the potential for improvement (improved CPU should mean more advanced emulators), how to get started and show the product in action. I hope that is the same perception that you got out of watching this video.
@@WagnersTechTalk I was not suggesting you were part of the ATGames paid fan boys and apologize if it came off that way. I unsubscribe to those channels a long time ago because of their obvious partnership with AtGames. Hell, they run their official Unofficial AtGames FB page. One negative comment about AtGames and they delete your comments, suspend you or outright ban you. It’s true they are part of that community development but it just shows that AtGames doesn’t really do anything themselves to make their standalone products special. Them not taking advantage of the new chip set is a perfect example. They’ll just sit back and wait for the community make it better. When AtGames was trying to crack the market to compete with Arcade1Up I was excited for it and thought it sounded pretty great but the way it was launched the products was a big disappointment. That being said I always enjoy your reviews and tutorials because you seem genuine and just enjoy the tech.
No need to apologize, I wasn't thinking you were suggesting I was. I do try to keep all my review videos as bias-free as I can, we all have them (to some extent), but try to report just the facts and experiences. I do communicate with AtGames, particularly in regards to issues that I find. I do the same with other products I review as well, I consider myself free labor for those companies. I often try to find a solution to a problem prior to a video being released, although in some cases, if it's a serious issue and a product is really bad , I'll scrap the video if I don't think it's worth the time of my viewers to watch it (this has happened several times, not necessarily with AtGames). My first AtGames product purchase was the ALP and love it (still my favorite tech purchase). That said, I've watched a number of videos over the past year regarding AtGames, subscribed to a number of related channels and have become friends with several YTers. All of them that I talk to have been open about the issues that they've experienced, both on/off camera.
I haven't experienced the issues you mentioned personally (block/deleted), but I have heard others say the same. I see your point regarding relying on the community, a hybrid approach would be ideal. It's nice that we have the option for community expansion. If you look at their competition, very few have a platform that is open enough to provide community expansion (not a fan-boy comment lol). For example, you buy an A1up, unless you gut the cabinet and slap a Pi in there, you're stuck with what you bought. For iiRcade, you can purchase/download games, so long as those games exist on their store. AtGames is unique in that regards. That said, I do wish AtGames would provide downloadable Arcade/Console game packs. I always prefer to license games, when given the option. There is a lot of opportunity for the Legends platform to support indie developers and additional IP's as downloadable game packs, it could become a huge untapped revenue stream if they did. Thank you for your comments above, appreciate your feedback/comments, really enjoying this discussion and have a great weekend!
Thanks for this Great informative video about the new Core Max!! lol, is this really an April fools joke regarding playing in the future : PS1, Dreamcast, N64, etc? I hope that happens, but only time will tell what the Chefs have in store for us in the future....
Hi Tony, lol not an April fools joke. The CPU can handle most Dreamcast games, PS1 should be a slam dunk and some PSP games should also be playable. It will definitely be up to the Chefs to make it happen for us.
@@WagnersTechTalk Awesome news! Can't wait to see your demonstration of that. :) Is the Max Core only $50 on their website (showing reservation for June 2022) or will it actually cost more than $50? thanks again for this news!
The $50 is for the reservation. During NOD 2022 (link here: wagnerstechtalk.com/al-news/#Deals_during_NOD ) it was on sale for $120 and full price is $150. From what I understand, shipping late this month but always subject to change.
Will the coinopsx I'm using now work with this
Yes it will. However, you'll have to format the Flash Drive X and re-install CoinOpsX (from the AppStoreX tab) before it will work. Also, unfortunately, AtGames hasn't fixed the latency issue on the MAX yet (I have been told they are working on it -I logged a bug with them before this video was released). So, you may experience controller lag until an update is available. I used a wired Xbox 360 clone controller which performed well, but wireless BT is where you'll notice the latency. Just a heads up.
@@WagnersTechTalk thank you
Why is no one doing a video on how raspberry pi don't save your high score and at legends does been looking at videos on how to make pi save high score and for them to stay 😢
Definitely seems like a piece of tech which is pretty much in need of a use. Other than pinball that power is just going to waste essentially. Presumably at some point we'll see more games that take advantage of the processor since otherwise this will be a bit of a hard sell.
Thank you for your feedback, hopefully this will change very soon.
CoinOpss X can use it for games that play slow- about 10% play slow, or janku audio. The pinball cab has this core and plays those games far better.
6:05 scanlines look fine, but there should be a slight blur as well. Far too sharp for my liking.
Thank you for your feedback Retro Man, a more CRTish filter would make sense as an option.
AtGames cares way too much about Arcade net and I don't understand at all. Are these games STREAMING over the internet? That's a solution looking for a problem.
Not sure exactly what it uses on the backend. I'd like to see the ability to purchase "Game Packs", ArcadeNet would be a better service if it had more recent games available. As it is now, many of the games on there can be played locally via CoinOpsX. You always have the option of keeping the free account vs. paid. (Edited my comment, the last one was too wordy).
@@WagnersTechTalk If the games run locally I could get behind a subscription service, so long as the licensing/catalog was there to back it up (which they still need to work on), but I would greatly prefer an ecosystem where you could buy game packs like they've done with their vpin software. If they would grow that side of their ecosystem, I would find it much more compelling. As it is I'm going to mod my ALP into OTG oblivion and not worry about atgames for now.
If they're streaming retro games though... it's just a waste of bandwidth for a worse experience.
I agree with this.