Battery Powered Nailers ~ DeWalt v Milwaukee v HiKOKI
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2021
- The Milwaukee M18 FFN, DeWalt DCN692N and HiKOKI NR1890DC framing nailers are out for review on-site for feedback from real builders who use nailers every day. Will they be willing to swap their Paslode gas nailers for the latest battery-powered machines?
Framing nailer specs:
Milwaukee M18 FFN
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🛒 amzn.to/32rCMg1
Body Only: £440
Nail Length: 50-90mm
Batteryless Weight: 4.2kg
Load Capacity: 57
358 x 337 x 119mm
Hikoki NR1890DC
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🛒 amzn.to/3HSxzOQ
Body Only: £300
Nail Length: 50-90mm
Batteryless Weight: 4.1kg
Load Capacity: 47
342 x 309 x 127mm
Dewalt DCN692N
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🛒 amzn.to/3DVtwP6
Body Only: £228
Nail Length: 50-90mm
Batteryless Weight: 4.1kg
Load Capacity: 55
345 x 338 x 125mm
Hilti BX 3-L
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🛒 bit.ly/3cPRjV0
Body Only: £632
Batteryless Weight: 3.478kg
Load Capacity: 30
474 x 368 x 134mm
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Bought the Hikoki about 2 years ago after Roger's 1st review and never looked back! Brilliant tool. Love it
Same here, I’ve let a few paslode users have a go. They seem to struggle with the bulkiness of it so it’s not for everyone
*had the dewalt previous and it’s far superior
I’ve got hikoki and a 360ci the hikoki is too heavy for first fixing or holding above the head!! Plus it’s definitely not as powerful!
But the nails are about 75% cheaper so it’s a hard one!!
And the battery on the hikoki is terrible, just about lasts the day!! Paslode still my number one!! When they bring out a battery gun it will be the holy grails
Used the Dewalt nailer a couple of times but could not the hang of it at all, the other chippies were having problems with it to so we went back to the Paslode. Good to see your finding other tradesmen to help with these reviews. 👍👍👍
Hikoki for the win
Always preferred the Hitachi nailers
Paslode is still king 👑…
Battery only guns haven’t nailed it yet ….
Very fair play including costs in description, nice one Roger...well, it was probably Dylan 😉👍
Used a Hikoki this week. Nice kit, bloody heavy. I've had second fix DeWalt nailer for 10 years + solid and reliable, not everyone's bag. I've seen second fix Paslodes flying across sites on occasion, very noisy and unreliable. Interesting review, thank you.
Working in Canada -35 winters and construction for 18 years. I Swear by Pasloade. Light, Durable, Reliable and Easy to work on, cheap to repair. Generally if you're worried about the cost of gas, you aren't making enough money.
I’ve had the hikoki for a couple of years and it’s been excellent. Plenty of power and reliability. I’ve used the paslode along side the hikoki and the hikoki was the clear winner. Something to bear in mind in regards to weight is the balance. I found the paslode top heavy where as the hikoki was more evenly balanced making it more ergonomic (albeit slightly heavier)in my opinion. The paslode was also considerably louder and if working in a confined space the gas emissions can be a concern. Hikoki for me
Great to see everybody together! 👍👏🤝👌❤️
I love taking the Paslode apart to clean and service it as well after its done some heavy work for few weeks.
I recently upgraded to the Hikoki platform so you know what I will be doing but I will still keep the Paslode's!
As a young carpenter, Im happy to say that the Milwaukee is my first Framing nailer. I waited for years for something like that to hit the market. I didn't like the DeWalt even though I'm in that platform and I definitely didn't want to lug around a compressor. What a great time to be alive. Now Milwaukee just needs to hurry up and make that tracksaw.
Does the Milwaukee nailer use nitrogen?
Too dear Milwaukee
found the dewalt gasless framing nailer is qctually more reliable than paslode 2019 models
@@a-carpenter9229 yes it does
@@hamishrhodes5108 I have the MetaboHpt framing nailer and found a video online where I can refill the air canister by purchasing the proper regulator to do it myself. With Milwaukee I could drop the nailer off at a local service station but with MetaboHpt I had to ship it to Georgia for them to do it. Doing it myself now takes 10-15 minutes instead of 10-15 days
I bought a Milwaukee one a year ago , great tool, never really handled another nail gun being a scaffolder but thought it was a belter !! Still do,
For us amateurs, it's always nice to hear what professional users think about these tools.
Have the hikoki and the Milwaukee both amazing pieces of kit couldn’t be happier with them
Hi mate. If you had to pick what one would you not be without?
I've got the hikoki 18v framing and finishing guns. They're heavy but hey, they sound good and it beats rolling out the compressor for small jobs.
I think that original video was one of the the first times I had seen James and Ian before they became glamorous stars of CZcams and such an integral part of the channel😁
great video great reviews keep em coming
Had the Hikoki a couple of years, yes it’s heavy but I would never go back to paslode, too much maintenance for me.
Good test there Roger
I bought the older hitachi 1st fix nailer (I think it is the same as the makita just a different label) because I was on a budget and thought based on the branding that it was a poor relative to the paslode BUT it’s never given me any problems and paid for itself many times over so all my nailers now are hikoki, I’m a big fan
Thanks so very much for sharing the fantastic information
I’ve had the Milwaukee over a year and it’s honestly amazing and I actually like the weight now, seems to make actuating the nailer easier! With my paslode it’s a pain in the arse to get it to fire when it’s on a odd angle with the weight of the Milwaukee assisting.
where do you get your nails from?
Had the hikoki couple of years hasn’t missed a beat . Use with 3 amp batteries helps with the weight a little and has plenty of run time .
Very happily gave up my Paslode for the Hikoki due to reliability issues and the constant need for servicing to keep the gun at an acceptable level. Moreover, the cost of gas ends up making it a much more expensive gun to own than the others over time. I haven't had any troubles with the Hikoki at all so far which is more than can be said for the multiple Paslode guns I've had in the past. People complain about the weight, but I'd happily exchange a bit of weight for a gun that performs when I need it to.
Hikoki nail gun is always good to have especially when you work with someone on site that will grab the last gas on the box but doesn’t bother telling the boss it’s the last one 😂
I've got the dewalt one. I built a summer house with it. It did OK for me but I'm only a DIYer. I'd agree it isn't the quickest but it beat doing it by hand!
Use the hikoki, first and second fix guns. Will never go back to gas for nails.
Only use the paslode coil nailer, will be a matter of time until a battery coil nailer comes out
Good job fellas. It just goes to show that people like what they are used to. I have used Paseload and didn't care for it. I don't like hoses but the ease of use and speed is still tops for me with pneumatics. I did design a small upholstery gun using supermagnets and a capacitor out of a high speed camera flash but never built it. Too many irons in the fire. Maybe someone more clever than me with more time can do it.
Nailed it 👍🏽
For the sake of not having to change battery platforms i'm hoping makita gets a gas free nailer soon, can't believe how much they're lagging behind!
If it is anything like their gas nailer it will be crap.
@@SkillBuilder haha, I hope not!!
You can buy adapters to use the same battery platform with different brands
Great idea to get tradesmen in on the act, genuine jobs, genuine situations and they get some limelight.
I own the Milwaukee I agree it's heavy but you get used to it pretty quickly When nailing LVl's no need to take out your hammer will sink the nail beautifully It's the best stick nailer I own with the battery
Have two hikoki nailers, the first roof I did I found it heavy ,after that the weight wasn't an issue, you get used to it and don't feel it, it's like getting used to anything really, feels awkward at first.
It all depends on what battery system you want to use, I've everything in hikoki and couldn't be happier, I've the 18gauge finish nailer on the way . The dewalt was too slow for me , pull the trigger and wait, maybe scratch your arse ,have tea and then it fires , it's obviously an exaggeration but that delay is weird
My God.. Do a test on the AEG FRAMER IT ROCKS!!
Great video. Hikoki and Milwaukee are amazing.
I think one of the best is AEG.. I just bought the AEG framer its so quick and powerful.
Fires 3 nails in around 1 second
compressed air self service refill 125 psi.it is amad gun. It rocks.
No wind up.
6 years warranty
Paslode IM360 xi for me, I have the Dewalt and the IM350 but the 360xi is the best of them all, I now have two of them (one as back up). I use them for fencing, great guns.
Ive had nothing but issues with my paslode guns, both 1st and 2nd fix units. And when my 2nd fix was in for repair for the 5th time in 6 months they wouldnt warranty it say it had been dropped (?????)
Anyway, Milwaukee do redemption deal trade-ins so i traded all my paslode guns in and bought a M18 Framer, 18 gauge finisher and 16 gauge finisher (both brad guns are 2nd gen)
These guns are a game changer. The weight on the framer is something that takes a few weeks to get used to, but it fires beautifully. Its easy to actuate and sends the nails home no problems. Very few misfires or jams.
Now the brad guns are where the Milwaukee nailers get even better! (I know the 1st gen 16 gauge gun wasnt good but wow what a difference)
The 16 gauge is fantastic, reliable, quiet and hits hard into fiber cement and even aluminum headflashings and whatnot.
The 18 gauge gun is light, easy to use and great for finishing work and cabinet making.
I will never buy another paslode product again. These red guns have turned me for sure.
I use Makita for all of my other battery tool so i can honestly say im not biased when it comes to brands here
Hikoki is a beast.
Japanese, so world class
I've got the IM360 and it uses a different gas to the other Paslodes. Used it through last winter, down to -12°C and it never missed a beat. Never had to warm the gas up.
Only use Paslode nails and gas and it's around 2 years old now, never had a jam and only cleaned it once.
Bit pricey but it's light & has never failed and it uses full head nails not clipped.
I also use the 50mm scrails for osb, excellent 👍
Regards
Tim
Nice one lads you all nailed it 😉⚒️🧱👍🏽
I had paslode nailers about 14 years ago but as I wasn't using them day in day out the gas would 'go off' and they wouldn't work properly and getting just the gas was a pain as it came with the nails. I sold them and got a compressor and now have the full range of nailers and air tools from Bostitch. The hose is a pain but for the range of jobs I do its fine. A battery first and second fix guns would be nice but as I dont nail every day it would be a waste of a few hundred squid.
Hikoki kicking ass atm
I have the Milwaukee M18FFN that's never jammed once over past year. It's much heavier than a Paslode but no gas or routine maintenance cleaning required. If Milwaukee bring out a Gen2 FFN that's much lighter & with a magazine that's about 20mm longer (to hold two strips of nails), they'd be onto a real winner 👍
You can get a mag extension for the Milwaukees now. My Milwaukee is my go to, even though I like using the Paslode better because it’s so much lighter. Like you, I’m hoping Milwaukee can cut some weight out of their already-good framer
@@justinhc123 You should try using the 3AH HO battery. It’s much smaller than even the 5AH. When I use it it’s almost like not having a battery. Should make the Milwaukee much lighter. Should be able to get a 2 pack for $99US this time of year.
@@justinhc123 Hi Justin, Thx for info on extended magazine (see they're selling for about £85 👍). Only reason I mentioned extending current "shorter" magazine by 20mm is that I saw a Milwaukee Magazine Modify video where the guy had used a dremel & needle files to carefully cut a bit more off the side blanking at the end of the current stock magazine. This still allowed the Springback lever to work but with the modified stock magazine now holding 2 nail strips instead of 1 (for the life of me, can't find that video again anywhere 😄).
Thank you : )
I only use nail guns every now and then for fencing jobs, but i prefer the gas paslode one. I've used two Dewalt ones before and theyre decent enough. I just prefer the Paslode. The Milwaukee feels heavy, even compared to the Dewalt
I have the DeWalt type 3, hits home but it really struggles shooting diagonal nails. Great bit of kit as a DIYer, £100 cheaper than the rest but if I was a pro I'd pay the extra cash for the Hikoki/Milwaukee
The dewalt is a dog. I took mine back after one load of galvanized 3 inch nails toe nailed into treated timber. Did not sink one nail on any setting.
Hilti gun is great. Pretty much identical to the old paslode 350(not a bad thing) it has a bigger magazine too. I’ve got that and a passy 360 which is more powerful but I find the Hilti lighter and easier to use.
My friend has the dewalt, same issue, slow and after 6-7 shots its s fight to get each additional 1
I love the light weight of a paslode, use it for quick jobs or hard to reach places, if I want a powerful gun I’ll set up a compressor and use air, there’s no comparison for power.
I don’t like battery nailers, when they are as powerful as my air nailer, and as light, I’ll buy one
A friend of mine used to put the gas canisters down his pants! Someone once thought he had a length of rolled up carpet down there!
Hi there, do you have the miss fire issue with Hikoki Framing Nailer? I had one for 8 months and it started missing fire, just wonder if it's common or just me. Thanks!
0:48 funny as looked liked was filmed on one of your sites :)
This will be my first nail gun, I've watched loads of reviews on different guns and have decided to go with the HiKOKI (Hitachi) HiKOKI NR1890DC 18v. Can you please let me know where to get one and the nails at the best price?
Had the dewalt one for nearly a year now and can't really fault it other than it gets heavy after a while but I'm sure they are all fairly heavy I suppose.
All this working time so far have you had to refill w compressed air or nitrogen gas the Milwaukee or the other brands or any repairs or too many misfire issues after working w them ?
We switched from air (Bostitch) to Milwaukee framing nailers last year (have 3 of them). The Milwaukee nailers seemed good at first but over the year all of them have had to go back for warranty work. Another issue we have is the cold (Canada), at -20C they are not very good, often won't sink nails or just fails to fire. Just checking out some reviews on the Paslode framing nailer to see if it is worth trying them or going back to air. I have an older Paslode brad nailer and although that works well most times, at near 0C or cooler it's near useless, but as I said it at least 7 years old maybe there have been some improvements. Here in eastern Ontario we have 2 - 3 months of below 0 weather, with temps going down to -25C or colder. We usually don't work when it is below -20 but there are a lot of -5 to -15 degree days when you don't want to be messing with tools that don't work.
Hi Glenn
That is worth knowing. I still have my Bostitch framing nailer, it will outlast me.
use the airgun back when it freezes.....
You can forget paslode below 5celcius.
Interesting. Old git that I am I remember when battery tools came out. How far things have come on.
My mate just got the Milwaukee pair - 1st and 2nd fix. The 1st fix is great, but when I use it I'm so used the fan whirring on my paslode, I keep thinking the battery's dropped out. It lasts well over a day on a full cahrge though and very rarely leaves the head sticking out like my paslode does, when hitting a knot. But the 2nd fix gun... we had a problem with that: the 38 and 50mm brads kept jamming in the gun - until we realised it takes 18 guage brads, not the 16 guage we had for the paslode! I've tried to find an exploded view of the internals, because I'm puzzled as to how the hell it packs so much power from an 18v 5ah battery. Does anyone know how they work?
Very good tool.
Paslodes are great nailers! . It amazes me how many tradies give up on them when they start to misfire and just put it down to a bad tool! I picked up a Paslode framer and an angled bradder for $80. A strip down and oil and it hasn’t misfired a nail yet
Been having nothing but problems with my past 3 paslode im360ci’s had to go back to finishing carpentry because I was sick of them
Paslode framing one is great I havent miss any fire but the finishing one is a joke
For wall framing I'll use my paslode, nothings on the level of air yet but Milwaukee and Dewalt fall short of the paslode
I've bought Bosch, Electric, now gone on to 18v, what is the Bosch Nailer Like ?
there are so many versions of the 692. where is there a guide to see the differences between them 692B 692N 692 type 3 and more.. its very confusing.
Had a terrible time with the Dewalt type 2 and type 3 just not up to hard daily use, had 4 die at less than a year. When gasless is refined Paslode will enter the market, im holding out for Paslode
I had 5 of them , all died within 2 years, bought 2 Milwaukee …way better .
Not sure if it's my weak wrists but I find the DeWalt kicks too much and the safety on mine is hard to depress
Agree with a few of the guys, great guns and great idea. Just far too heavy!
Where does everyone get their ring nails from, for the Hikoki, 50mm & 90mm?
Uk only please fella’s
Not in the trade have my own small holding love my dewalt nailer👍🍺
You'll have to do a review of the new Makita one due out later in the year (at last!)...
the senco f-35xp framer is a great tool ,imported from the states 1 year ago. not sure if it is available in the uk yet , well worth a look
i have the senco 18g brad nailer from same series, is very (very) consistent. people seem to complain about the batteries and the switch being fiddly but that hasnt been my experience
@@J4GGoon the framing nailer over the last year never missed a beat,,, the button you mentioned has not caused any issues. Loads of power
Do you honestly need a 1st and 2nd fix nail gun?
That's a good real world test right there
Did you find out what happened to the dewalt in the end?
And its there a link to the Mikwakee world exclusive?
Thanks
Got a refund
Hi guys, just wondering now that it has been released if you’d be testing the Erbauer cordless framing nailer…? Would be interesting just to see how it does against the big boys 🤷🏻♂️
Goood suggestion we will see if we can get hold of one.
At times when Dan was holding the nail guns up, it looked like he was putting it against Rogers head!!
Have you ever done jury service? I hope not
Im a huge Dewalt fan but have had nothing but trouble with the Dewalt gen3 nailer. Absolute rubbish. 6 months old and i had to send it off for a full rebuild. Have it back only a few weeks and is acting up again. Back to paslode for me
My DeWalt tends to jam a nail in the end occasionally but I think it is perhaps an early version, not sure I'd recommend it even though I generally like DeWalt tools.... Sorry I wrote that before the end, glad to see others have 💩 DeWalt nailer, luckily enough I don't need one to often these days.
Hard one though if you are on the DeWalt battery platform. It s also cheaper than the others generally
@@dougsaunders8109 I'm on the Dewalt platform and found an adapter on amazon that lets you plug your Dewalt batteries into a Milwaukee. I use it on my 18 gauge Milwaukee nailer. Did not like the Dewalt 18 gauge but love the 15 gauge Dewalt. I'm in the market for a Framing Nailer so currently leaning toward the Milwaukee, but it is HEAVY.
Milwaukee is by far the best hasn't jammed on me since it came out and if you use the extended mag with a 3ah it balances it better. It will shoot thru everything except 3 inch LVL OR PSL then you might have to pull out your hammer
Hikoki Rocks!
Hikoki all day for me! Fantastic! 💯😁 DeWalt did not impress and never had opportunity to try Milwaukee. Just my opinion 👍
I know they have safety systems built in and need to be in contact with wood to work, but still felt a bit uncomfortable seeing them being waved around and pointed at people.
same with knives and saws, everything is scarey in the wrong hands
I remember seeing 'Lethal Weapon' for the first time - thought they were great and I was looking around for a black one like in the film but they were all orange. 😉 He fired that without it being in contact but obviously it was a stunt. My mate's apprentice fired a 90 straight through the palm of his hand just before lunchtime one Friday though - I think he was nailing a noggin in and it missed the timber. I remember my mate had just got his fish and chips so the lad had to wait while he'd eaten them before he took him to A & E...
What a fanny
Not to mention they wore no eye protection.
@@anonymous.youtuber okay Karen. Why don’t you report them. 😂👌🏻
Minus the cost Paslode it the better tool to work with . Now they are getting expensive to operate though .
So the Paslode came out on top :)
They reckon the newer ryobi is very good ?
Had one of the dewalt and a paslode alway took the paslode with me hated the dewalt because of the ramp up time
In germany we Never got the bump fire mode
Where I’m working now we got hikoki I like them very much
I would like to give a go to the Milwaukee
Double Magazin is a plus that the other ones don’t have
Interesting would be one that could fire 100mm nails like the im100 by paslode
Curious that everyone mentIons the weight of the battery nailers as a significant disadvantage and yet the Paslode im360ci weight is barely 10% less...?!
Senco all the way for me now , half the price ,batteries last ages , takes the cheapest nails and gas . I’ve got 2 they have both had very heavy use for over a year now and have never missed a beat , 2 year warranty. Last paslode I bought the 360ci lasted 3 weeks before needing a service then another one at 6 months. Just need another PPN gun out on the market
I love my Milwaukee gun,Now I’m used to the weight it’s a breeze.
I've had the im360 since they first come out. I actually think they are better than the new im360 version as it simply wakes up when you pick it up and new version you need to press the button to turn on. The hilti used in the past and wast great and was a bit unreliable and 2 broken piston rods in 2 years. The dewalt I've tried and hated. The hikoki and milwauke no experience with but the weight puts me off. Despite the imperfections I stick with the paslode. Just imagine if paslode decided to do away with the gas and the weight was low then we talking
Three Hikoki guns failed of the same problem after 6 months, the spring that pushes the nails up after firing just isn't strong enough have to manually push the nails up after every shot. Three different guns same problem all bought within 2 years.
GX90 really good gun shame its almost 800 quid.
Paslode is the lightest, 350 struggles to drive 90s in all the way, yeah the gas gets cold but chuck it in your pocket in the morning and it's fine. The 360 gas bit expensive but overall better guns than the gasless alternatives in my opinion.
Weight is the main factor for any nailer. When you got a gun hanging off your arse up a roof those kilos make a substantial difference. Look forward to the day when the manufacturers create a usable gun.
This must have been filmed the other day.
I bought the dewalt when it first came out. It was rubbish ...
More jams than the M6 in rush hour. I went back to Paslode.
👍
I have a fairly sorry looking 20 year old paslode that's dived off a few roofs in it's time
and been put back together. It's still banging them in so i will wait until paslode goes gasless
before i change.
Would be interesting to see if they do as they more or less have monopolized the gas you need to fuel that nailer type. I suspect they won't go away so quietly.
Christ the dewalt is so slow when not using bump fire.
Hate gas nailers. Hikoki all day long for me
you had hilti in the image and no hilti nailer in the video?
It didn't arrive
Goodlord! at todays prices, that is at least £100 worth of timber and nails you have used in this demo?😉
I like DeWalt tools had two of those DeWalt nailers no comparison to the Milwaukee fuel 18 took them both back ,,,,,BTW ,,,back-in-the-day give me a handful 16 pennies anda 28-oz riggin ax,,,I would have smoked that dewalt,,,BAHAHAHA I never was the man I used to be,,,,! good erview
Where is the Milwaukee one u had 😵
Back when you could afford to fire a load of nails into a piece of timber long enough to be able to make at least one noggin out of
I thought Power nails were obsolete, I remember my son-in-law 15 years ago having one , and how they were very good but you needed gas batteries packs of thousand nails 5000 nails are very costly but the alternative was hammer and nail.
The big change was when we started getting reasonably priced power battery tools from China that the average man could afford this coupled with Phillips head screws easy drive from then on to today he has used power tools power drills and quick drive screws which every tradesperson seems to be doing the same.
And then along came lie on battery is going up from 2/3/4/5/9 amps , So I’m rather surprised you’re doing a test on power nailers .
I would love to know the reason why Alan
Nailers are still used day in day out on site. Screws are not suitable for all jobs.
The main issue is rain but no mention of it on the video ?
Explain why rain is the main issue, I don't follow your thinking on this.