10 Most ANNOYING "Unwritten Rules" in Sports
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Every sport has a number of “unwritten rules”. Even if something isn’t mentioned in the rule book, athletes are expected to follow certain standards. They don’t face repercussions from the league for breaking these unwritten rules, of course, but they receive retaliation from the opposition -- along with plenty of media backlash.
Well, we think a handful of unwritten rules in sports are outdated and straight up ridiculous. It’s time for teams to simply agree to scrap such rules and call it fair game.
Today we present the 10 most ANNOYING "Unwritten Rules" in sports.
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don’t need to like but if u wanna make it at the top for everyone to see then ok.
Thanks for the timestamps.
Ibraheem Rao thx man
U da mvp
G.M. Carby Thx
matt fuck you 😏
#10 actually can result in a penalty so it kind of is written in the rule book
This is the way it is because the play is dead -shooting the puck (regardless of padding) can produce injury needlessly after the whistle (more so in days gone by). A galoie (or any player in the way) will let their guard down exposing themselves to an increased likelihood of injury! I have been hit by pucks and injured during play. When the play is dead and someone shows that disrespect for safety, I would always become very aggressive.
When he doesn’t realize shooting after the whistle is actually in place because it’s dangerous for the goalies.
Hey will, my dog is licking my a-hole clean of diarrhea.
@@brandontinko1460 Yooo
Is it a rule though? Or an unwritten rule?
@@matt4787 a rule. You aren’t allowed to do that
@@williamhineline3378 In that case I agree with you.
Don’t run to the middle of the star after a touchdown against Dallas.
Now tell that to TO
nope u just piss on it and shit on it
Somebody from the Titans did that last year (maybe two years ago?), either Logan Ryan or Kevin Byard, I believe
@@bravetitangrizzly It was Kevin Byard and I loved it
Yea your right. You take a bag full of gorilla shit and smear it everywhere
Shooting the puck after the whistle at the goalie is a penalty
Yep! The first unwritten rule in this video, is literally a written rule lol.
You don't watch hockey???? SMH
@@shakenbacon3655 lol 😂
It’s also a safety issue if people are expecting to skate to the bench and take a puck to the dome
Goalies relax when they hear the whistle blow. They can get hurt if they're not expecting a shot.
Phillies pitcher Jim Bunning threw a perfect game and he broke the rule, he talked with all his teammates and wasnt afraid to talk about it during the game.
Kyle Schafer the pitcher can talk. You can’t talk TO the pitcher unless he talks to you first.
@@michaelbarker3749 Thanks for the detailed clarification in the event anyone reading this is in such a scenario in the future. 😳
"these unwritten rules are annoying, but i personally like the the rule..."
😂😂
So
There is a difference between a superstition, and an unwritten rule.
I don’t like the no stealing base one because there is no time limit in baseball so you never know
For sure thats rubbish
Hoover Dam even the bunting is nonsense to imo. A hits a hit..dont bunt because we arent getting any hits?? Foh
I can see it, Of your up by 10+ to stay back and let your hitters do their thing, But it could be possible to have a 10 run lead and the other team ties it in one inning, So just steal as safely as possible.
baseball is full of idiotic unwritten rules. as the catcher for the reds put it two weeks ago "if it's in the rule book i'll follow it, if it's not they i don't want to hear about it."
The 1993 World Series, Blue Jays vs Phillies, game 4 is a classic example of no lead is safe. Blue Jays open up the 1st with a 3-0 lead, the phillies answer in the bottom of the 1st with 4 runs, then another 2 the next inning, then the Jays take a 7-6 lead with a 4 run 3rd inning, then the phillies retake the lead with a 1 run 4th and a 5 run 5th, taking a commanding 12-6 lead. Then the Jays close the gap in the 6th with a 2 run inning, only to have the Phillies widen it again with a 1 run inning in their half of the 6th, then add another run in the 7th to go into the 8th inning with a 14-9 lead, only to have the Jays score 6 runs in the 8th to round off the scoring and complete the comeback, and combine to set a major league record for the most runs in a single world series game.
“Most annoying” rules when they like half them. Like wtf
"Bunting is an easy way to get on base." Insane. The bat control and placement of the ball while running as hard as you can. Wtf
Jake Anderson You are wtf!
@@mark_r49 what does that even mean?
I caught that. Looking it up, bill James Fielding Bible. There is a .438 average in non sacrifice situations for bunts overall. So, generally yes it's easier to get on base in a bunt. Though I'd say bunting in non sacrifice situations is rarer. Only 800 something hits in 2011 at least and thus more of a surprise. If they know you are likely to they'll catch you better. Thence why the avg. Is ridiculously low in sacrifice situations, when you are more likely to try and move the runner over.
There's been a bunt for a double so....
@@joshuaneally3922 Still doesn't mean its easy, the average is so high because if they dont get the bunt down they usually wont try again. They always try to get it down the line to make it hard for the defense so a lot of them go foul. In no way is bunting yourself to get on easy.
Unwritten rule #62: No dropping a deuce in the urinal.
I walked in on a guy pinching a deuce in the urinal b4. Literally pants around his ankles, legs spread apart, ass pressed against the urinal, cock and balls dangling. And dude just looks at me, nods his head and says "what's up man? U think u can u go grab me some tp out of the stall?" I coulda died laughing.
Or the sink
@@unkledoda420 best comment I’ve seen on CZcams…congratulations.
That is certainly frowned upon in most establishments.
Mkay!
10:26 ohh bad bunt form! Never wrap your fingers around the bat, you’re gonna get your fingers broken.
shut up old head. ive been playing my whole life and it wasn't until high school when i learned it's perfectly fine. if the ball comes towards ur fingers.... move them. its not rocket science.
Lol Coco was one of the best bunters ever... he doesnt need a nobody telling him how to bunt lmao
Is solid advice when directed toward a young a amatuer who doesn't have the experience and coordination of a real athlete. And as 99% of baseball coaches/players only coached/played in young and amatuer baseball, they think it's "correct"
As someone who was a very successful bunter, it's not just about safety. You lose the strength to hold the bat steady and "catch" the pitch. Pinching the bat allows for maximum control of the barrel. Yes, it's not that big of a deal if your fingers slide a little around the bat but your best control is pinching at the middle (or neck) of the bat.
Ugh. This feels like someone who just discovered sports and someone who just discovered ckickbait had a baby
Phoenix Billion yeah and the reason some of these unwritten rules are there is because it’s a sign of respect. Sure there may be no specific rules, but don’t be an asshole.
Half of these are like superstitions and common sense/respect.
aren’t rules though so you can do what you want to
@@CJJ6699 Except #10 in a way.
Exactly. Touching the conference trophy and talking to a pitcher are superstitions. Hell, talking to a pitcher while he is still in the game is generally frowned upon, regardless of the score.
@@CJJ6699 Unwritten rules are usually aimed at respect. You live with unwritten rules every day-but nobody puts out a CZcams video saying "not cutting in line is dumb" or "saying please and thank you are stupid"
Which is why this child has a problem with the concept, his generation has no common sense of any kind nor any respect for anyone or anything, not even themselves.
Jason Biondo: Here are the most annoying unwritten rules in sports.
Also Jason Biondo: Me personally, I’d still follow that rule. It shows class and there’s nothing wrong with this unwritten rule.
loll
Class is being skilled enough to win or lose by the rules. Are you NOW AGAINST intentional walks ??
Well to be fair the first hockey one is more of a safety issue. When you whistle everyone relaxes. No one is expecting a 90+ mph puck to slam into their chest because jackass needs to practice his shooting after the whistle.
To be faaaaiiiirr
Lol. I’m an aggressive goalie and come way out of the net. Started to back in with the play. The linesmen blew down a offside so I put the brakes on right as the player let a clapper rip. I was standing straight up with my toes pointed out. Puck hit me in the chest and knocked me flat on my ass. No hard feelings as he shot right as the whistle blew. But definitely embarrassing.
" because jackass needs to practice his shooting after the whistle.
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i bet there are situations where a puck is in motion as the whistle is going off , so the whistle therefore was *after* the shooting motion. You cant call someone a "jackass" for that
Intentionally shooting after the whistle I think is a possible penalty at the ref's sole discretion, as it's a safety issue. From what I understand, if the shooting motion was already started before or as the whistle was blowing, or very loud crowd noises made it hard to hear the whistle, then they'll rarely call it, especially if the player did ease up on the shot and let it go as a softy. Where they will likely call a penalty is if the player lets one rip full power clearly after the whistle that was clearly audible and was clearly directed at an opposing player. I believe the penalty assessed is Unsportsmanlike Conduct in that situation. That is an exceedingly rare call though as most players don't let a big shot rip well after the whistle.
@@mbdg6810 that’s not shooting after the whistle then, it’s shooting AS the whistle is blown
When Athletes celebrates to early | Compilation
Kemba Walker and Nick Young would definitely appear
@NUMB PG3D I edit the TPS compilations and I did that one in June last year- czcams.com/video/I3IEv3CLI4c/video.html
TOO
there's thousands of these
@TheTot Process appreciate it! Hey you have any compilation ideas you wanna see?
The amount of things you say in this video, that contradict what you just said, is astounding
It's TPS, what do you expect?
Did you know my dog is licking my A-hole?
The amount of fucks people give is 0
Umm, no. He didn’t contradict him self. He explained the unwritten rule. And then gave his opinion why he thought it should be.
“Don’t taunt” also says “taunt them and run the score up”
If it annoys you that players dribble out the clock when it’s a 20 point game and there’s 10 seconds left, you have no life
Dylan Lauder he’s saying it’s fine if they dribble out the clock, but it should also be fine if they want to score
The bat flip
Any time on the clock I'm scoring anytime don't care
This guy never played sports growing up..
Very obvious.
He is your typical sports nerd, never played.
Dont disrespect him
But we do run up the score
Paul Bastianelli he was a grass fairy
Yeah,he looks like he never watches sports!
This guy: "You can score as many points as you want. Points are just numbers."
Vegas: "We're watching you kid. We're always watching you."
"Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory"
~The Mighty Jingles in like half of his videos
Some of these unwritten rules can be answered with “git gud”
Exactly...L2P Newbs.
Try that on a field, court, or ice surface when a man is within striking distance of your person instead of over VOIP with a gaystation 5 controller in your thick fingered Cheetos stained hands and tell me how long you remained unconscious after you almost finished saying "gud"
@@thequestion2324 I honestly hope you do this in some form of real sporting event with real atheletes around you to hear it. Not over VOIP while you grasp an x-box controller in one morbidly obese hand while wiping the mayo off your top lip with the other already numb due to diabetes hand.
@@From-North-Jersey you are talking shit in a youtube section dipshit.Also New Jersey sucks...no one has ever gone to New Jersey on purpose.
The top 10 weirdest rules in sports history
good idea
Tuck rule was a weird rule
MLB: No flipping the bat on a home run. Also, no saying anything to the other team on a home run.
I get no saying anything to the other team however you can't argue that batflips aren't exciting to watch.
@@dominicklivorsi6362 well when the only 2 people who do it are Jose Batista and that other guy on the Ray's brewers and Astros do it, it gets boring. But also to add: NHL, no tapping, snowing, or dancing in front of the other goalie
@@nolangorml9081 other people do it they just don't fling the bat like Bautista did.
@@dominicklivorsi6362 well the toss to the side is ok. It's the "let me pause in the batters box, try to through the bat farther than I hit the ball, and stare at the pitcher the whole way round
I c nothing wrong with bat flipping. It's ok for a pitcher to fist pump or whatever every time he gets a strikeout so why's it not ok for the batter to celebrate when he wins the battle.
Acting like "you've done it before" after hitting a home run
...and scoring a touchdown
He says, “they should be allowed to do this” when they literally are allowed to because there is no rule against it.
No rule against it doesn't mean it's acceptable. Look at the basketball one about shooting when up big in the final seconds. Sure, there's no rule against it, but there's a respectful code that players follow, and get pissed off when it's broken. Just be a good sportsman is the main takeaway from this video.
Logan Campbell that’s not what I was saying at all. What I was saying is he said a lot was that he feels they should be allowed to do whatever it is. But they are allowed to do it.
@@williamhineline3378 They are allowed to, as in there's no rule against it, but the players all agree to not do certain stuff, as in don't try and get more points or runs when up big.
Logan Campbell that’s not what I’m saying I understand that. You don’t listen. Read this carefully. The YouTubr says multiple times “I feel like this should be allowed” and what I was saying is that’s a dumb thing to say because it is allowed. I’m not saying they do it and it’s bad if you do but he says how he thinks they should be allowed to do it but they are allowed
@@williamhineline3378 they "should" be allowed to do this without repercussions for breaking a rule that is not in the rule book. That's what the narrator is saying. It's pretty much the main theme of the video.
I remember a Red Sox hitter had a hit streak going on and the Yankees got him out once then just walked him for the rest of the game to break up his hit streak
“I was looking at the book of unwritten rules, but there was nothing written in it” Kruk or Kuip SF Giants commentators.
Should have prefaced this video with a disclaimer. “I never played sports and have no idea what I am talking about.”
no walking over the pitchers mound at the end of an inning
Same for pimping a homer.
Arod
Jason Matteson foh watch that shit land
Makes sense.the next pitcher would appreciate it
Top 10 quick turns of events
I think you are confused by "superstition" and "unwritten rule"
“Not scoring against your former team, now that’s class....(10 seconds later).... but again, they could celebrate, it’s not the biggest deal.”
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You should've just named this "I hate Sports and know nothing about them"
You don't capitalize "sports" in this context. If you're going to be an asshole in the comment section, you have to get punctuation, grammar, and spelling correct...
Any excuse to plunk Steroid Barry is okay with me.
David McMullen Agreed!
The irony of a Sox fan complaining about other players juicing
In my eyes if it ain’t in the rule book it ain’t a rule
I've subscribed. Some of these I didn't know. GREAT work. Thank-you, Jason. Have a GREAT day
Many people : Rules are nice
Tps : Hold my CZcams channel 😂
I want to see an NHL team up 6-1 with a minute left pull their goalie.
Lol
A few years back I thought we might see a team pull their goalie in a (obviously) tie game in overtime. It was the last day of the regular season and in order to make the playoffs a team needed a regulation or overtime win (they'd lose the tiebreaker if they won in the shootout). Unfortunately the game ended like 4 or 5 to nothing, I forget which way (it was like 7 or 8 years ago and it didn't involve the team I cheer for)
5 reasons We think Tom Brady will play somewhere else instead of New England
@matt you must be kidding
Postal bike3 just think of reasons yourself
matt I’m not a pats fan but he’s the best Qb in football history he’s not underrated or overrated he’s just in the middle. Can you stop please first you disrespect The guy who did the time stamps and now your just saying something that’s not true
Doubtful!! There’s no where for him to go that has a chance of winning. He’ll play for New England or retire.
Postal bike3 hell of an idea!
The whole running up the score thing, stealing bases, going for it on 4th down is SO UNBELIEVABLY ANNOYING. I cant imagine the mindset of players or coaches that complain about it. If you have that mindset, you need to also stop trying to compete and just forfeit the game. Like, stop stealing bases, but Im gonna keep trying to catch up with my remaining outs? Unreal. That has always bugged the hell out of me, obviously.
Sid touched it every time after he lost
When it comes to being up big and running the score up, no matter what skill group, it’s simple, if you want me to not run the score up... stop me then.
They gonna stop you by breaking something of yours fucking up your season.
@@danielvankirk3139 Then let them. I think it was shannahan who said "i don't know how to draw up a play not to score, asking me to not score, my offense to not score kind of goes against the whole point of their job." If you can't do your job, and you have to result to hurting someone then you just prove you don't belong at that level. Stop blaming offenses for running up scores, blame defenses for being awful.
Bunting is not an easy way to get on base. It’s not done often enough during the shift though
The idea is it's easier to lay down a bunt than get a hit, so statistically you have a better chance of breaking up a no no with a bunt because the pitcher is throwing...magic? also i think part of it is the idea that the defense isn't paying as much attention due to the lack of hits. But i would say in the few near perfect games i've seen in my life you could make a solid argument that a bunt is a much easier way to get on, just due to how locked in the pitching was and how well their stuff was working. Just mo though.
In football (soccer): if a team played the ball out of bounce to allow an injured player on your side to be checked out by the medic, you have to give the ball back immediately. Not doing so will even make your own fans disapprove.
"Is Belichick the only one that doesn't follow these unwritten rules?" ... Dude, he doesn't even follow the rules that ARE written down.
These rules aren’t dumb it’s just good sportsmanship. they should stay
No... I especially hate the unwritten rules that tell you not to score if you’re winning by a lot already. They’re playing at the highest level and should act like it.
@@kayj312 Yes. There is no point in running up the score if you have 2 minutes left and you’re up 30 points. You’re just being an ass
NHL GMs do offer sheets all the time, they just don't get mentioned unless they get signed.
You left out the "No punching the unconscious" rule in hockey.
Great video!
Bunting for a hit is rarely ever easy.
Also what happens when teams start to bunt heavily in the first couple of innings preventing a no hitter early?
You generally bunt to advance runners.
First of all if Barry Bonds is stealing bases off you. It's time to retire.
Matt Evans before the roids he was athletic and fast
Bonds was CRAZY fast before he went to the Giants and got on the roids.
@@mikeobie1 - Ehhh....he was crazy fast before he got older. Barry was still pretty fast for the first half of his stint with the Giants. But then he got slower as he got into his mid-30s.....as all players do.
It's not that the roids made him slower, it's that he got slower as he got older, and more susceptible to injury as he got older, which is why he both started taking PEDs (to help with his recovery and conditioning) AND why he stopped base stealing (the reduced cost-benefit of getting 90 extra feet vs. pulling a hamstring and missing two weeks of games).
In retrospect, Bonds is known as "Skinny Barry" for his time with the Pirates. Stole a lot of bases.
How can you even consider the first 1 “annoying” or “unwritten” when there’s a rule written for it
Yeah another rule is don't date GF sister
The whole fricken video: Now it's not against the rules and its respectful... but why cant they? I mean I wouldn't but hey... let the guys play. It's not little league.
Thank you for repetition... variation would be too complicated for some very dumb people...
I see you dislike tradition.
Tradition for the sake of tradition without scrutinization is silly
It's silly in a competitive setting
Not touching the conference championship isn’t an unwritten rule, it’s a superstition. The NHL is known for a plethora of superstitions.
Fantastic collection of unwritten rules. Well done video.
So basically stat padding in garbage time is forbidden
No, if it was we wouldn't know who matt stafford or aaron rodgers were :D
What should easily be on the list: "Don't swing 3-0"
You know the pitcher is going to throw a meatball right down the middle because they're just trying to get a strike. Not swinging on that is just criminal, and it sucks that people still get hate for knocking one past the outfield when swinging 3-0 because it's an "unwritten" rule.
It is the coach's decision if you can or not swing at a 3-0 pitch . If you are a strong hitter, you will have the green light, but the othet team will know it, and you won't get a meatball right down the middle . If you are an average hitter, you won't get the green light, because you play the probabilities : you have more chance to reach first base on a walk, than to get a hit on a 3-0 pitch
@@koa022 I get what you're saying, but that's not always the case. Look at what happened to Tatis Jr. earlier this year, because he hit a homerun off a 3-0 pitch and got accused of trying to "run up the score". He had to publicly apologize, and no one on his team defended him for it. If he hit that homerun on a 2-0 count or a 3-1 count, no one would have been upset. However, by virtue of being 3-0 now all the sudden he's broken an unwritten rule.
@@OtKH00 I didn't saw that, but from what I read in your comment, the problem is not the 3-0 swing, it is the running up the score, that is the real unwritten rule here . When you have a big lead after the 6th inning, or even after the 5th if the lead is huge, you don't run up the score, meaning you don't bunt, you don't steal the base, you don't run aggressively to get the extra base, you don't slide at 1rst base for base hit, and you don't swing at 3-0 pitches
Unwritten rule #372: whoever drinks the last of the Gatoraid in that huge cooler has to run to the closest 7-11 and get more to refill it.
Not touching the conference championship trophy is more superstition then an unwritten rule.
If you don't want to lose by huge margins play better. Screw these unwritten rules.
#10 is a rule it's a 2 minute unsportsmanlike conduct penalty
Baseball: No bat flips (in the USA); Big in Korea
Hockey: No snowing the goalie
Surfing: No snaking; No drop-ins; Don't show up with 3+ at a new break;
Surfing #2: No long-boards at a short-board break;
Football: No running out of bounds to avoid a hit
Soccer: No pretending to be injured ... hahahah, just kidding
In tennis, there are a couple of notable unwritten rules:
1. never cheer a double fault!
2. Apologize for winning a let point
Unwritten Rule: Don't stand in the batters box and watch your home run.
In other words, the Tony Batista bat flip. Lol
Tps padded their unwritten rule count by stretching dont run up the score into 3 different things... I see what you did there.
I aint hatin.
So basically you're anti-good sportsmanship.
Truly great vid! Love it
Make one about superstitions
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Ten teams that always have good defense
Cooper Gill Ravens😈
@@Khariexclamation No not at all
Cody4turtle when have they not had a good defense
This channel would be so much better if there was nobody talking and was just sports clips like highlight heaven and those people
What I hate in MLB: don't even think about showing any type of joy after hitting a homerun, because the pitcher is then, per unwritten rule, allowed to make an attempt at your life by throwing a fast ball at your head.
How about when that one pirates player who leaned into the plate to get hit by a pitch against Max Scherzer and the Nationals
Players who scored against there former team. Shows picture of messi who’s only played for one club and one international team 🤔
Jason, what's your personal favorite sport to watch, and what's your favorite to play?
@@Jason_Biondo holy crap you actually responded 😁. Hockey's my #1 for everything. Baseballs my #2
Rename this video to "10 Most Annoying Unwritten Rules In Which I Have No Opinion and Therefore Make This Video a Waste of Everyone's Time."
NFL unwritten rule:
Give the Saints the worst refs
Maybe the Saints should just put somebody away in a playoff game.
10:33 "the MLB rule book says nothing about bunting being illegal in a no hitter situation" that's why it's called an unwritten rule, buddy.
there is a rule against firing 95 mph fastball to the back of ear of the person who breaks the unwritten rule but pitcher is expected to do it (It is n unwritten rule)
@@leejoelbeasley5005 You don't fire it into the ear, that's a no-no. When plunking a batter you go for the ribs to the butt.
@@loganmckevett5364 but rich Goosage, Mike marshal ould have no problems doing it i you show them up
The “my knee” at the very end earned a like from me and actually made my day lol.
About 20 years ago a batter successfully bunted very late into a no-hitter. When later asked why he did it he gave the perfect answer: "I brought the tieing run to the plate". As a pitcher, I would never have faulted the other team for prioritizing an attempt to win the game over my no-hitter if there were real stakes involved.
Nothing is "annoying" about these rules
The no bunting while a pitcher is pitching a perfect game is annoying. What if the game is 1-0 in the later innings? A bunt puts a potential game tying run on base. Why the hell should the batting team care about a pitchers perfect game?
Top 10 comebacks in sports history
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"Bunting is a smart and EASY way to reach base." I guess you've never tried to bunt off a high level pitcher.
If bunting was that easy, why wouldn’t everyone just bunt? 🙄
@@JSeriously because you will never score
@@cobrak1ngs that’s a ridiculous answer. If bunting is easy. And the first 4 guys bunt, they are all going to get on base and a run will score.
@@JSeriously no they won't because the ball goes right to third and they'll tag him out immediately
I hate the no hitter silence. I would die in my own thoughts, I would need my teammates to distract me with random talk.
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Playing sports is a very human experience and these “unwritten rules” are mostly just signs of respect
You forgot the oldest of them all. Old Navy Rules: First person to die, loses.
What I hate is when there is a false start, you get about 7-8 250-300lbs men point fingers and tattle tailing like a bunch of third graders at the line of scrimmage.
Lmao picture of the ravens when they say don’t go for it on 4th down
I was the one who got hit by kyries basketball when he threw it and it hurt like a b*tch
Sure
The problem with Belicheck isn't that he doesn't care about unwritten rules, but that he doesn't care about the written rules!
The 16-17 pens touched the conference trophy n won back to back Stanley cups
It seems like most of these are just about respect for the opponent
I love these ideas for videos but man you can really tell that this guy doesn’t know sports
how?
That famous line "treat others the way you want to be treated."
#1 has always bothered me. Even down 1-0.
I was going to mention the Verlander game (I'm from Detroit) and had zero issue with it. You play to win. Do anything you can to get on base.
Baseball is awful. It really is.
Man said it’s annoying that players don’t touch the trophy. Then proceeds to say he wouldn’t touch it either