Jayco-Alula Director Matt White Discusses Groenewegen's Win | Tour de France 2024 Stage 6 | THEMOVE
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- This sprint stage had a questionable relegation of a top sprinter and THEMOVE team revisits the controversy and difficulties the Dylan Groenewegen has had to overcome since his accident involving Fabio Jakobson. Team Director Matt White, also joins the show after a team win today.
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Today's Menu:
0:00 Intro banter
4:00 - 8:38 Ad break, product promo
8:40 *Real* *Talk* *I*
9:42 - 16:55 *Matt* *White* calls into the show
16:56 *Real* *Talk* cont.
19:55 - 24:17 Ad break, product promo
24:18 *Real* *Talk* *II*
35:52 Ventum trivia and viewer questions
43:22 4th of July gift for Lance
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Glad to see WEDU back. Happy independance day!
Alpecin has shown that they will push the sprint rules to the very utmost limits. Last year ASO let them get away with pushing WVA up against the barriers and he called them out for it in the Netflix TDFU series, so they had to set the proper tone this year.
He did it against Biniam G. as well.
Thanks for the stage 6 recap on our Independence Day guys! Can't wait for the TT tomorrow. This should be a somewhat intense stage. 🇺🇸
"Sprinting is a dangerous game." Cycling is a dangerous game.
Especially when Groenewegen wants to try to kill someone. czcams.com/video/8UrDC6jz1NY/video.html
The Phil Knight story was priceless thanks Lance
Phillipsen has been close to DQ a few times and got away with it. Perhaps that influenced the judges.
Good observation.
I freakin' love the pcast; Ads and all. See you for stage 7 and beyond.
He didn’t lose 70 points. He had 128 and now he has 85 so he lost 43 points.
Glad to see nasty jaspy finally have consequences for his actions
“The see you in the douches” T-shirt should’ve been printed on the back with maybe we do emblem on the upper left chest think it would’ve been much better than the front print.
Djamolodine Abdoujaparov’s ‘91 Tour de France ’s crash on the Champs Élysée has to be right up there also.
Love the pod, gentlemen. George is so delightfully awkward!
Cavs moment reminded me of the dale Earnhardt Daytona win when all the competitors congratulated him
Looking for JB2 today. Maybe not posted yet. Really a good show. Johan simply great
Great show. I have been listening yearly since first show. Actually broke out the power dot for some wrist and forearm pain-they work! tried Ketone IQ and went back for more the next day. I felt a little more “locked in”or focused on today’s ride.
Love watching you guys! That video of Cavendish on that Felt green bike teaching sprint skills was awesome! Can you all please tell me what do all the pros drink when they finish the stages, especially the ones with lots of climbing. It usually looks like a dark red juice!
Cherry juice
Thankful that George’s “fancy friends” call in. Chapeau!
George is 100 times more interesting to listen to as a podcaster and "interviewer" of his friends than he ever was being interviewed when he himself was a pro rider. It's a really pleasant surprise.
Another great show! Good job guys! The adds are as Entertaining as the rest of the show. I’ve got my LMNT sampler pack ordered.
Thanks!!
I have been watching the tour for a majority of my life there have always been a healthy number of sprint contenders but these last couple or few years it just seems EVERY team has a sprint threat there is so much talent.😮
Great analysis guys
Lance is hilarious telling George is he reading TMZ 🤣🤣🤣
Got a question for tomorrow's TT: should Remco's alleged weight loss (2,5 kg) be a disadvantage for him ? I've always had trouble understanding how can someone maintain the same power after losing weight. I get how in a mountain stage that helps you in the watts / kg equation, but how does losing 2,5 kg affect you in a TT where the power-to-drag seems to count more, especially in a flatter course. Shedding some light on it would be great
It’s pretty unbelievable that in a few minutes time span, you’re able to recall Groenewegen/Jakobsen crash and then say that Jasper’s relegation was not justified 🤯🤯
The host didn’t mentioned the tko delivered by Pogacar in stage 4 downhill,50 sec on the best of the best.Unbelievable
I love all you guys! Lance, George, JB, all of you. I love your WEDU TDF stuff every year, including the product promotion stuff. I honestly appreciate the product stuff because they pay the bills so we can see you guys, but also because I've learned of some of the products you guys talk about that I now use or have used. By the way, Lance, I would love to have a beer with you and have memorable conversations with you about lots of great stuff. You too, big George! Again, love you guys and WEDU! See you in the douches!😎❤️👍
Awe Cav teaching Luca how to sprint
There's a better answer to the viewer's question about what it means to ride into better form as the tour goes on. I'm not an exercise physiologist or ex-pro cyclist but...what you gain from racing is not so much "fitness" that will be available to you in two weeks time on the last mountain stage, but the very specific neuromuscular stimulus and adaptation that you get only really from racing, the sharp accelerations, the leg speed, the high speed adaption from "motorpacing" at 60 kph but only putting out "tempo" or "endurance" watts. Also, and somewhat related, this is less true in recent years with harder opening weeks, but on these flat and rolling stages riders the caliber of Vingegaard are able to roll along with the peloton without digging too deep. They are recovering to a certain extent from a harder rolling or mountain stage. It's not quite "active recovery" but on some days like the last two sprinting stages? Kind of. Edit/Epilogue. Just listened to JB2, and Johan compared calories burned (energy expenditure) of Pog, vs other contenders on yesterday's sprint stage. Pogacar burned 1600 calories over 4 hours. That was DEFINITELY an active recovery day for him. 400 calories/hour is what an amateur racer would do on their easy day. Never mind a Tour legend in the making.
Wow! Mark on a FElT !!! Glad I still got my z5 lol
Love The Move, suggestion. Can yall show the video clips of certain things you’re talking about. The DQ point in sprint ending. Thanks guys. Happy 4th
They might not have legal rights to replay another network's footage.
great show but too much ads Lance! you need to find a balance Lance!! enjoy the rest of le tour
Can we get a link to the Outcomes podcast in the description. I can't seem to find it on CZcams. It's not on the WEDU channel.
It's now in the same free The Move feed where you get your podcasts
@@wedu I guess I still don't understand. I watch this podcast and JB squared on CZcams. I don't know what "The Move feed" is.
I have an idea how to make those barriers safer. Build the barrier's base kind of J shaped, but with a bigger angle, on the side of the race corse. This way if a cyclist gets pushed into the barriers, he might be able to ride the barrier, instead of tripping on it and make it back on the pavement.
Cippo will never let anyone brake his line before sprint his team at front no other one in between
Tell Lance I'm all in on the Ginsu Knife along with Ron Popeels Pocket Fisherman!! 😂😂🚵🏽♀️🇨🇵👍🏻🇺🇸💯💥
@wedu in hindsight, do you think Roglic wishes he hadn’t left Visma and that this year could have been his year?
I want to see Cipollini on the legends show !
On Skinsuits: Why not make the leaders ride a different bike while you’re at it…?!
I use to be a graffiti writer. Love you lance btw. But that logo would be dope if you made it into a M with the arrow going from left to right. Just a thought. .
Biniam has a green jersey! Is he lucky ? Nope! He’s worked hard for it, Lanc
Vingegaard could pop one tomorrow!
Lance lives in a different stratosphere up there in Aspen, always intrigued to hear him talk about his personal life. I don’t why, just sounds so damn fancy haha.
Oh nonono. Ski jumping. Nonono. 😂
I'll be on my bike during the stage and catch the highlights of the stage afterwards. TTs are a snooze fest for me.
I will be amaze!! amaze if JV can equal TP or Remco on tomorrow itt! JV did well on some of the climb, but you can tell he been hiding within the team most of the race and when he is alone such as stage 4 after decenting and more or less flat to the finish last 15km, he can't match TP and in fact got caught by 3-4 other rider! we will see soon enough! lucky for JV, it is a short itt 25.3km only!
George is great on iFit😊
concerning the riders safety and health , why havent they made it illeagal for the fans setting off those flares ?
Who do you guys (comments) think will podium the TT?
I’ve got: Tadej, Remco, Almeida
Almedia? lol not ahead of wva, kung, campenarts or any other TT specialists
@@5508Vanderdekken I’m banking on that reduced weight TT bike. Who are you taking?
Hincapie's a fixer forsure.. 😂📱🤝🏼
Speaking about cars in Tour de France I will never forget how one TV car in 2011 edition of the Tour collided with one rider ending catapulting another rider, Johnny Hoogerland, into barbed wire fence. It was horrible. czcams.com/video/0MjQZf3xHoA/video.htmlsi=q29lJnZ-iidlrfzS
Fun fact. Farmer owning this fence, in which poor Johnny landed, afterwards cut it into small pieces and sold it online, because, although heavily bruised, Johnny continued the Tour and was for a while a hero, so there was high interest for the pieces of fence ;).
Yes, another crash that will never had adequate explanation from the driver.
The first pro team that Lance and George joined at the same time? Was it Motorola?!?
Yep
🎵Everybody knows it's winnnndy🎵
Jasper Philipsen will want to prove a point in the TT.
TT tomorrow….Remco or Pogi will win, i hope Jonas won’t lose more than 30-40 sec.
No TT training, flat non technical route and he’s only seen it on video as he didn’t participate in Visma training there.. Really hoping it won’t be minutes lost 😞
Outsider: søren wærenskjold
18 minutes of ads in a. 44 minute podcast lmao. That’s the last video I’ll watch from you guys. Good luck to you tho
Goodbye Felicia!
Don-t let the door hit you on the way out.
@hamburger boo hoo. See ya snowflake
no one gives af
haha
@@riquelmeone😂😂😂😂😂 exactly
Motorola 1st Pro team of Lance & George
Lance you can't get hammered on a 6 pack of anything
Did the "disaster" really get relegated today? Today was nothing compared to his many deviations last years tour smh. UCI is so inconsistent and suspect.
One thing to remember about Vingegaard getting better as the Tour progresses is that for the last two years at least, that has been Visma's training strategy for this race, and it has been executed well. Or maybe it's to maintain your strength while UAE's starts to dwindle. Pog won at least two stages in the first week last year and it phased Visma not one bit, and then dominated the third week after controlling the second week and not losing more time. "Our time will come" was EXACTLY what they said towards the end of week one last year. I do think UAE has been ma ybel istening to Chris Horner and been playing more conservatively this year, so that might change the outcome compared to last year if Vingegaard hits 100% form.
Why would anyone listen to Horner? So annoying
I agree. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. Minutes can be made up in the Alps.
@@user-gt1wr1vh3i additional minutes can also be lost in the Alps! you are assuming rider stay the same years after years! if that is the case! we don't need yearly tdf! just when JV retired!
Yeah the cycle of whatever their doping with tends to increase performance as the tour goes on 👍🏻
@@5508Vanderdekken Tell me how his advice to UAE after 2022 and 2023 wasn't spot on... You can't. He's right. And they're listening. Tadej in particular is listening.
Why are the true sprinters isolated in the final 2km? B/c teams are bringing less lead-out men - so much more emphasis on watts/kg that it's a bunch of skeleton-types. There are no more lead-out trains b/c there's not a team in the Tour that brought a lead-out train.
What?
You think Astana is a GC team? You think Alpecin-Deceuninck with Jasper Philipsen and Mathieu Van der Poel is going for the mountain jersey? You think Lidl-Trek with team leader Mads Pederson is going for GC?
I'm voting for George.
Anyone else wanna peek at George's contacts?😂
Stupid ASO (the acronym says it all). Tadej not being able to race in his best gear (and yeah, I understand sponsorship and then I don't), Remco - World Champion - not being able to race in the Rainbow colors (also best gear), Primoz should be able to ride in his Olympic colors if he would choose so. The cheer 'We are ASO and we organize the best race in the World'-attitude is just mind-blowingly ff-ed up. Jonas is the best one out in this one ... until ASO's decides that the helmet is not allowed. Honestly ...
Replying to myself 😛What I forgot ... Dear ASO, would you please learn from your (many) previous mistakes? There was a crash at an exact same kind of choke point as last year (were Primoz crashed over a bail of hay, think it was last year or two years ago). Honestly, their ePeen is getting way to big and it makes things dangerous (downhill arrivals anyone?). Not as if Netflix doesn't like this, whole series filled with crashes. It's getting money over Sports. Sad thing to see.
Dinnossaurs gonna dinnossaur.
I love you guys, but the commercials have taken over. It’ll be JB2 from now on.
Time trial is too short, too flat...
If you guys seriously believe we don't skip the ads, you are nuts.
We know you don't give a *** about these brands. Just drop the phony talk, will ya?
let's take a look at the RULE because too often we forget the LETTER of the RULE: 2.3.036: Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the LANE they selected WHEN LAUNCHING into the sprint AND, in so doing, endangering others.
to me, and call me crazy, that means ONCE YOU LAUNCH your LANE (not LINE***) is an UNSPECIFIED REASONABLE BREADTH OF ROAD IN FRONT OF YOU WITHIN WHICH YOU ARE ALLOWED TO MOVE INCIDENTALLY. the use of the word AND to me means BOTH conditions must be met. shutting the door is not illegal. you are not allowed a line up the barriers just because. imo bad call by the commissaires and caving to public opinion.
if you feel this type of move should be illegal which im not 100% discounting you need significant clarification in the rules that account for all types of motion across the road after the launch begins especially with respect to movement up and around the barriers.
Seems to me the move was purely gratuitous and done with the intent to deprive another rider of opportunity. Very unsporting. Your boy needs to run his own race-this shows he thinks he may not be good enough. Glad we are getting these great helicopter shots.
You didn’t read your own rule. He deviated from his line AND he endangered Wout in the process, who had to end his sprint or possibly hit the wall. The “and” is there to prevent riders from being penalized when a deviation doesn’t affect other riders. Here it obviously did as you can see on video. And about time as this guy has been a problem forever and never gets called on it.
@@Calidastas you misread the rule. LANE not line. a rider cannot realistically be expected at 65km an hour to maintain a 3cm wide line. you have no conception of what is going on at those speeds.
@@yelapa999 intent is irrelevant when calling a penalty in sports sorry the sprint was launched by both parties see rule 2.3.036. i am for better verbiage and equal application of rules if you disagree with that idk what to tell you.
Cav wavered but there was no one next to him
Stop spoiling results in the headlines? Are you all that blind?
Lance and your guys, i dont know if you are here for the race preview analasis or sell your Items ,too much ads omg😮😮😮
Cavs keytone iq must have worn off
Lol
Isn’t prostitution illegal in Colorado? 30 minutes of ad reads in a 44 minute video. 🤮
If you didn't watch the race you shall hardly understand what this folks are talking about. So much ad break and incoherent analysis.
This podcast is not intended to be a substitute for watching the race. It is a SUPPLEMENT to watching the race.
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If he cycled straight for once he'd have 70pts
Sprints that would've been better contested are ruined by someone's elbows
Even if you're old school you have to admit you're being robbed of great finishes by these antics and with video evidence times should move forward
The rule is clear. If you deviate AND endanger another rider, it's illegal and you get relegated. If Wout doesn't brake, Wout is in the barriers. 100% relegation. What is not illegal but should be illegal is an old man dressed like a teenager spreading so many advertisement on the show, and the biggest cheater of all giving his opinion on our sport.
It's 2024. Everyone dresses like a teenager.
@@LABoyko yes indeed
pretendarians.
Nobody dares say anything bad about Cav, but that b.s. massive all-the-way-across-the-road deviation yesterday caused Mads Pederson's crash, which is devastating to his green jersey chances.
You gotta win to get the green jersey though
Watch the overhead shot of the finish. Cav was nowhere near Pederson. He must have been 8 yards ahead of him…
If you watch the replay in super slo-mo I think you'll see that there was considerable distance between Cavendish and Pedersen. There's one, brief camera angle from the side where you can see Cav look to his left, and there's nothing but wide open space there. After he accelerates, there was enough room for three riders to jump in behind him, and they're the ones that took out Pedersen, not Cav. The front camera angle makes it look Cav was much closer, but it was the other riders who were clearly at fault. Mark's move wasn't dangerous when he made it, it was the panic behind him that caused the chaos.
I mean, I did yesterday but sure
Nah it wasn’t Cav it was the 5-6 riders behind him who followed who caused it.
Hey Lance, repeat after me.... Ving-ge-GO. It's Ving-ge-GO, not ving-ge-gard.
"Winning is everything. Remember that." - Sir Mark Cavendish
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