The iPhone USB-C Law: Explained!
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It gives real satisfaction to see Nations saying "no" to these mega-corporations. I want more of it.
There should be laws against mega-corporations for sure, but this one is totally unnecessary and not gonna solve any real issues. The fact that every once in a while you can't charge your phone because your friend has a Lightning cable and you need a Type-C is not a real issue, it's just an unnecessary 'fuck you' to big corporations.
Politicians aren't engineers and the government doesn't make anything
@760futura How is USB C flawed? It should be the standard rather than crappy proprietary ports just so Apple can make more money at the expense of the consumer and the environment.
@760futura They are free to say that. But then they can say goodbye to the European market. I hope that corpos being more powerful than governments will only be a thing of dystopian media.
And to see the big corporations then complain about being regulated. It's really the best
I like the fact that’s they’re complaining about e-waste when standardization of cables would mean less, since everyone can just use one cord for most of their devices
I think their angle here is "everyone will get rid of their current chargers." Not saying its a good argument, but its AN argument
Oh they don't give a shit about e waste. They make plenty of it already, so does the 3rd party companies who produce lightning accessories.
What they really meant to say is " we don't want to move to USB type C or wireless/no port, because then we as a company couldn't continue to collect quantitative amounts of royalties from 3rd parties who pay us to manufacture lightning accessories & chargers"
a couple years ago I would just say that apple people don't have usb anyway, and I guess that's true anyway (most iphone users have a windows laptop or pc, or no real computer at all, and very few other devices), apple makes usb c devices sooooo
I have collected a cable for each of my cars, work, and by my bed. Buying 6 new cables is waist full
This is not good. Forcing companies to use one cable halts innovation. I want USB C on all devices but I also want others to come up with better solutions. And the only way to do is not with this law. Now there will be no port at all on Iphones.
It's stupid that they argue about e-waste. Requiring an entirely different cable for their products is much more wasteful than standardizing.
This has nothing to do with e-waste. The EU is spewing a huge number of these regulations to try to suck money out of the USA, like they have been for 80ish years. Just parasites.
Let’s not mention how anti-repair apple is.
This was the exact reason electronics stopped having their own types of connectors a long time ago. They were all forced to standardize to cut down e-waste, and it was better for the consumer because you could finally charge any type of device you had at a friends place cause everything was standardized.
Ikr, especially how apple doesn’t come with a charger or headphones included making you buy them packaged separately, they not even have a headphone jack forcing you to buy new wireless ones if you don’t have them already, they make their phones almost impossible to repair without going to an apple store where most of the time they’ll just tell you to get a new phone anyway, and forcing people to use a different cable for apple phones than everything else makes so much more waste as you need to buy twice as many cables! It’s so fucking hypocritical.
Not to mention, they’re cables are weaker and much more susceptible to damage as well!
5:23 I wouldn't be surprised if apple had the bright idea of not even adding a magsafe charger to their iPhone boxes at all.
I agree. I think they will get rid of the charge port and just say people have been wirelessly charging long enough that they don’t need to give you anything.
They need to supply their product with everything that it requires to keep it working. That means a cable or magsafe or whatever. I think there’s a law or something. Otherwise, they wouldn’t even give you a cable these days.
"e-waste"
You know they're going to
The EU basically did say "just come up with a unified cable" a number of years ago.
The industry responded and chose of their own valition type-c, but it was just apple refusing to play ball because they were making money
^ ^ ^ this!
As I have, and will ALWAYS say, FUCK APPLE!!
so another companies basically dumb and they dont have tecnologie like lightning .....
why the hell apple have to listen any countries they saying to them what they do !
you are just kid you want usb-c everywhere how do you know is better for all device
why apple have play ball with another companies
Its just disgusting really. In every certified lightning cable, there is a tiny chip from apple that costs money. Counterfeit cables won’t work after 1 update. Apple is making huge money in this and they won’t do anymore when going the more superior usb c. Its not about the costumers, its about the money
USB C is supposed to a a uniform standard but the only thing that’s standard is the connector shape. A lot of usb C do not support the various functionalities they’re supposed to be able to support.
I love how apple uses the term e-waste. They can make it mean literally anything they want it to mean.
If anything the Apple cables and phone connectors are more likely to go bad from corrosion due to tendency of super tiny junk being jammed into the iphone port. I've personally never seen a ruined USB C cable unless you purposely damaged it.
@@MrMega200 yeah. All of my friends' iphone cables got broken several times, mine also. Had no problem with my Type-C cables so far. So if they're talking about E-waste....
More like iWaste
@@johnybaby2 good one xd
yea and not standardizing cabling and ports creates more ewaste because households will need more different types of cables rather than reusing the same on for different devices. of course they'll say anything for their bottom line
10 months later in the iPhone 15 is out and it has USB type-c
Apple had enough time to let their engineers "figure it out". I'm happy about the regulations and want more of them.
Just reminds me of classic Republican talking points & being ‘pro business’ at the expense of everyone else.
‘Keep the dang government outta business! It’s a free marketplace!’
‘Oh, your child has suicidal ideation due to their body not matching their gender? WE GOTTA GET MORE GOVERNMENT LAWS TO STOP THIS’
@@pasta-and-heroin governments job is also to protect the people from monopolies. Apple is literally where it is because it destroyed competition that wasn't free market at all it's slimmy bro
@@pasta-and-heroin So true. We should let children who can't legally drink be able to permanently sterilise themselves from the genepool. Now that i think about it, that's pretty environmentally friendly.
But but, it interferes with the engineers vision of a perfect product. Jk, the perfect throw away phone and 20+ accessories that go with it for the next year and a half.
By the way I'm an ANDROID user,but I still think the regulation sucks
I wouldn't be surprised if they made the phone not charge unless it were using an official mag safe charger
Bitch they anit gon even put one in the box and its gon be 140 and you can’t use anything else
That's impossible
That's not how induction works
@@pepeshadilay lol sure, impossible, wonder why MagSafe technology communicates device ID via NFC? It is easy to imagine that non "certified" charging devices have limits imposed by Apple.
Dunning-Kruger effect: you know the basics of how induction works, you think you know all the intricacies of how MagSafe (and Apple as a company) operates.
@@pepeshadilay It’s not impossible… the iPhone can do a wireless hand shake before it accepts power draw from the coils. This is actually exactly what the lightning port does as well. I don’t see you saying “pins are just copper, it’s impossible for Apple to make you use their cables” but they actually do license that connector because you need the microchip to do the handshake.
The EU directive is pretty flexible in that it is actually published by an apposite team working on this, which is set to re-evaluate the market and update the directive every 5 years i think, which would see the connector change if a new one is developed that has advantages. EU tried telling the market "hey, it would be nice to have everyone on the same connector so that chargers are compatible" and that's the reason why almost all android phone had mini USB, but guess who didn't jump on board and forced the law to be so prescriptive?
This. You framed my thoughts perfectly. It's only the MFI program revenue that they're thinking of.
The EU is a lot less dysfunctional than the US when it comes to governing over things like this. I think Americans assume that these sort of choices coming from a government are always bad when they aren’t.
yeah, kinda disappointed he skipped that, he's too big of a youtuber to omit facts like that
Yea exactly, it isn't the EU being strict because they want to be strict, it's the EU being strict because big bully Apple forced them to be strict. I mean if what Marques speculates actually happens (and I'm 90% sure it will) they will still stick to making their own proprietary products because money.
nonsense. who's coming out with a new standard when they ruined all the competition? This is how we get stuck with garbage for a long time. The standard is going to be EU approval rather than pure improvement through competition. It's like no one has lived through a government standards change and expects them to work closely with Apple and Google to come up with something. Get used to USB-C on a permanent basis
this didnt age well
Watching this on my 15 pro max while plugged into Samsung usb-c charger
Wireless charging seems to be worse for the environment for now. It doesn't provide the same amount of energy as it sucks out of the wall, so much waste.
Also, you still need to carry a whole charging dock, maybe mini but still. I think they have to follow and go for usbc, because wireless is not really wireless 😅
Exactly. Even though I’m happy with 15-20W charge speeds, I see no reason to make all that extra heat between the coils when I can have a nice cool connector.
In fact the only times I ever even consider wanting a wireless charger are when my phone got wet and it won’t let me charge until it’s dry. But that’s infrequent enough that I’m not spending money for that scenario.
I think most people who have used wireless charging can attest to how shit it actually is, especially in Magsafe's case. Magsafe is literally less efficient, slower WIRED charging with a worse location on the phone. You don't get rid of any wires at all!
No energy is wasted at all. ALL DEVICES pull current as needed. The only thing that is wasted is your time.
You also have to take off your case every single time you want to do it
@@firesurfer wireless charging is like 40-50% efficient. Meaning if you want to charge your 3000mAh battery, you will pull 6000mah at least.
USB-C is just the port shape, the data/charging part can keep being improved in subsequent USB versions or even another protocol entirely down the line. A good example would be thunderbolt which is a different protocol to USB but uses USB-C as the standard for the physical port itself.
people seem to miss that point
You make an excellent point
I wouldn’t be surprised if apple just have all future iPhones in the EU to have a USB C adapter that would be funny
this
No, there are limits to the port itself, lightning and micro usb(standard) physically cant use the usb 3 protocol, they dont have enough pins, same for power delivery, micro usb maxes out at 15w, since without enough metal to metal contact, too much power can melt the port.
The problem with leaving it to the engineers is you end up with different ports...if they mandated all engineers need to agree on 1 port, that might make sense. But being that the largest portion of the market uses USB-C exclusively it makes sense for everyone to just switch.
They do and its not a mandate its called an engineering standard. Standards are what make the modern world possible. Apples ditches standards whenever they want to differentiate their products to make them seem more advanced, which from an engineer's POV is just silly. However, engineers don't sell phones, marketers do. Apple is the greatest marketing company since Phillip Morris which literally sold people death.
It's good finally specifying a charging connector, can you imagine countries/regions didn't specify the power socket in your house and every (electricity) company did their own thing?
It would be truly aggravating of Apple to ditch C and just go wireless. Compromising charging speeds, data transfers, accessories, etc. Crazy
Not to mention iPhone wallet cases. Having my wallet and phone together and also findable is more important than using an iPhone.
The wallet cases can’t use mag charging
they are that vain, and their fanbase is that gullible.
its gonna be so frustrating if we have to live with portless iphones for the newer models.
@@chedderburg That's a very good point in favor of keeping wired charging.
Yes I may finally buy an android if this actually happens. Biggest problem for me is listening to music in the car, going through Bluetooth just does not sound as good as having it wired!
The EU gave corporations push to standardise themselves years ago without forcing them into any standard! Even you mentioned it in video before. Most of corporations moved to USBC by themselves, Apple didn't and did not proposed any better alternative. So now its a law.
Apple didn't because they're waiting to go portless. It's the logical nextstep
@@alvareo92 Not even in 5-10 years. Wireless is still too slow
@@alvareo92
Since 2014?
@@Znarffi Wireless charging still wastes 50% of its energy to heat
@@mobimaks yeah if they do that all their talk of going green is bullshit (it already is but would be even more so)
With ultra fast charging being available with type C, I'd hate to be reduced to the speeds at which wireless charging is at. Mainly due to the fact that having ultra fast charging comes in handy when you need to get your phone charged when limited on time.
Not just the speed but the energy loss... No way Apple can claim they care about the environment if they force everyone to use a charging method with a 30%-40% energy loss in transmission... Sure it's not going to have an impact on your electrical bill but consider the amount of iphones that are sold across the world. That's a lot of wasted energy lost for no reason simply because of corporate greed.
You forget to see not every usb-c cable comes with the fast charging speed or data transfer the cables will still be very diverent in specs
@@oxaile4021the eu did the same when they said all devices need a usb-c port so everyone in the eu ho buys a new iPhone gets a usb-c charger and now they can’t use the lightning anymore
@@Revan638 Almost every not 2 dollar cable has higher transfer and charging speed than lightning, lightning is INSANELY slow, like you dont understand how outdated lightning is , and want to know whats more funny, even with type c , they remained with usb 2.0 protocol for iphone 15 WTF ITS 16 YEARS OLD , LIKE EVEN LOW MIDRANGE PHONES HAVE 3.0 on 2024, they such a greedy shitty company
The thing is, USB-C is just a plug. The underlying technology (USB) will continue to evolve but there is nothing in sight so far that's indicating that the USB-C connector will hold future iterations of the USB protocol back. USB 4 will also use the USB-C connector and so will probably USB-B 5.
This exactly.
Its not "just a plug". its going to be the port on every phone for the next 5-10 years. It monopolized the global market through the law of one small geographical region. Monopolized markets are always bad. bad for prices and bad for innovation. regardless of the rest.
@@ChrisG1392 Lol
@@ChrisG1392 Do you know what "monopolized" even means?
@@ChrisG1392 "one small geographical region"... you do realize that the EU is bigger than the US??
the biggest problem is that wireless charging actually has a wire... and an extra dock that we should carry with us. and on top of that it charges the phone more slowly. That sounds like a step backwards to me
And, what about data transfer?
It is a step backwards. Apple should just adopt USB-C.
@@CaitiffFTW all files sent do and from the iDevice will be routed through Apple (c) secured servers. ensuring no illegally downloaded entertainments hit your phone
and the wireless charging station will have to have a usb c port...
And them there Iphones die fast
3:58 - So, everything has been changed to USB-C. I truly believe they will always, and I mean ALWAYS have a port available as a backup. The AirPods case was also changed to USB-C.
I am so glad you were wrong
What is really weird about them being so resistant to this change is the iPad uses a type c connection. So they can do it easily but are choosing not to.
Yea my house has 2 iPads using type c and 4 phones using lighting. It’s kind of annoying. I’m constantly switching plugs 🔌
Not just that, they made the MacBook with only two USB-C ports YEARS before anyone else started deleting every other port. I hate apple. Never owning any more of their products.
As an android phone user myself, since the iPhone 4. Lightning is the superior choice for a phone as how much often do you have the plug and unplug to charge the devices.
You are probably not going to drop your iPad into the toilet
@@BrandoDrum !
There are USB outlets in buses, trains, metro, cafes etc. It's very convenient to carry a small wire everywhere and charge your phone whenever you need. It would be less convenient to cary a small puck.
Then they can move to wireless charging. Like all other tech, USB-C will become outdated. Standardizing it for the long term is just as bad as previous ports, because then it creates a monopoly. Instead of carrying a puck, you'll be carrying a wire with a USB-C adapter anyways. So not much would change by requiring USB-C. It would seem that the actual reason they are requiring USB-C is because they want to have a standardized system of spying on people, so that anywhere public you plug it in, they can be ensured they have access to your data. With different ports, this becomes much more difficult, especially when they want to do it without people realizing. So in order to easily exploit connections using a standardized easy to use program, they need all devices to be using the exact same type of ports.
Also imagine not being able to use the phone while charging...
Every phone has wireless charging its already an added feature.
Just think what's better; being able to charge wirelessly only or being able to charge wirelessly and wired both?
Of course both.
@@itsyoboigucci7578 THIS, ive been with apple my whole life but if they remove the charging port I’m switching to google or Samsung
How tf do u expect me to use my phone while wireless charging.
Especially if the battery has degraded and loses its charge quickly it means I can’t charge it on the go
@@itsyoboigucci7578 I use my phone while on a magsafe puck all the time. The puck stays attached to the phone
Wow, Apple actually gave in, Its crazy to see that there was so much behind just this simple change. Guess we aren't there just yet technology wise to switch to a complete port less iPhone.
And it happened because the people voted for it. Make your voice be heard.
Anyone else coming here to remember how Marques failed his prediction? 😂 I completely get that Apple doesnt normally bend to rules like that. Thats why I laughed so hard in my kitchen when they started to explain how good of an idea their new usb C port is 😂 That is definetely Apple being Apple
💯
Facts haha
I agree. But two things are on my mind:
1.) A wired connection will always be faster and less prone to interference (thing about fiber connections etc)
So if you film your maybe 8k HDR 120 fps with your iPhone 17, do you really want to transfer the data wirelessly ?
Also I think when it comes to charging, a wired connection is always better in efficiency. I like wireless charging but a cable will always be better in this regards
2.) I just like the idea of having one cable that can serve a lot. I'm at a friends house. Forget my charger. I can charge there with my friends usb-c.
This wireless charging tech from apple might be cool but... don't we all use the same plug at our outlets for every electronical device?
Isn't that great?
apple will 100% say instead of using wire transfer, use our cloud. Give us money and we give you cloud space.
Wired data transfer with lightning isn't even faster than wireless anymore. Still at USB 2.0 speeds.
The efficiency part is a big one imo. All iPhones using 20% more power just seems extremely wasteful to me from a 'green' company
I asked for a type C cable in my school's library about 2 weeks ago and they looked at me like I was crazy! Like, what the hell, type C works for basically all new electronic devices BUT iPhones.
Airdrop will be more important than ever. Each passing year there’s less reason to plug an iPhone to a cable. I only use cables on my iPhone 13 Pro Max only when I must. I use airdrop or cloud to transfer data and I use wireless charging to charge
@@serchnogues3880 America I guess(
imagine all those MagSafe cables that need much more resources to be made instead of usual cables, really great for the environment
Less efficent way of charging wasting both time and electricity to charge and heat up devices giving them lower lifespans as well.
But don't worry apple isn't selling the brick in the box so the store you bought an brick from is actually the one affecting the environment negatively!
Has nothing to do with MagSafe
Imagine not buying a new phone until it breaks in four years because you have an otter box and screen cover. You can do this all day. No one need to live a comfortable life, but we all want to live them. You have to find a measure of what is a step too far and mag safe plugs is definitely not it and aren't going away. Those are on PCs and Macs.
Oh sorry I was thinking about the magnetic plugs not wireless charging. It should never be used. Bad for the battery inefficient and destroys the battery life. Apple always has to invent their own name for already existing everything.
LOL
What about plugging to the computer for data
Wow that subtle "I leave it below the like button" at 2:07. That was slick
My only issue with MagSafe is I need a LoveHandle loop on the back of my phone to help me hold it and that interferes with the charging puck.
A lot of cases are not MagSafe compatible too.
I’d love to reduce the holes in my phone, but needing the majority of the back to be basically clear-ish is asking a lot imo
I think USB-C is going to stick around for a long while, because it can be improved while still having the same physical form factor, which I think most people agree is leagues better than previous generations.
Thanks. Everyone was waiting for you to weigh in before we made a decision.
@@MondoMiami Common small brain response
Yup.
@@MondoMiami cope?
@@MondoMiami Who's "we"
The "charging" port isn't really only for charging, I don't know why this keeps getting overlooked
Guess they'll expect everything to use bluetooth
I almost never use the port, not even for charging, so not having a port at all wouldn't be a big problem for me...
I would not be able to use my Flir thermal camera anymore without the lightning port or a adapter to USB-C 😢
Yep. The lightning port is already way too slow to transfer a ProRes video, and they expect people to do that via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi? Or what about accessories?
I guess it depends how you use your phone. I barely ever use the port for anything-I charge and sync everything wirelessly-but I'm not trying to transfer raw high-quality video from my phone or connect it to some peripheral that only accepts a lightning connection.
"I don't think they ever will [make a usb-c iPhone]"
THAT DIDN'T AGE WELL
My main use for the USB port on my Galaxy phone (and tablet): using a thumb drive to transfer files, because it's easier than getting the LAN shares to work.
I mean we've had USB-A for more than 25 years now and it still remains as one of, if not, the most popular connector out there. With this law in place we could see the popularity of USB-C skyrocket and will continue to be used for a long time just like USB-A.
It will, but new innovative ports may come and the eu will miss out on this until they change their laws and means those port innovations will probably not come from europe
Eventually though it will hold back innovation.
Yes, assuming it’s not updated frequently which is likely, but I’d rather be optimistic that maybe they’re turning a new leaf
@@9852323 Cuz Apple has been very inovative for the past 15 years without this law😂 SFU
@FreezeFun I see what you're saying but I guess that's not the point. Imagine if in the '90 the EU had mandated USB A to be present on all devices. We wouldn't have seen lighting or USB C, and maybe smartphones would have to be 2cm thick in order to accomodate an USB A port.
I'm not one for apple, but the argument that such a regulation stifles innovation is definitely a sound one.
The EU directive already has a measure for future ports, they will change in conjunction with the USB implementers forum, of which basically all tech companies (apple included) are a part.
Thank you! This also kind of invalidates the only argument against it.
@@firefly323 yeah, everyone likes to crap on the EU, but they are the best in terms of regulations; setting the standards for the world.
@@firefly323 bogus. The fact is that monopolization kills innovation. It kills price competition and hurts consumers. Nothing can get around that fact. Consumers were better off with competing standards. If not for the competition we'd have USB-A or Micro-USB as the legal standard.
@@ChrisG1392 Did you read what they said? like at all? I bet you're American.
@@ChrisG1392 problem is Apple never had a competing standard. Absolutely nothing changed since the forst introduction of the lightining port and is exactly the very monopoly you hate, idiot. The physical port may be ubiquitous but speeds and the things that count change, same as the HDMI standard. Everybody benefits from this providing you know the speed and application of your cables, which quite honestly isn't hard and needs a bit of reform itself.
Look who was wrong, they did add USB-C lol
But portless would be so much more sick! Of course, Apple can't innovate that fast.
@@DvanceI agree as I don’t really transfer any info from my phone aside from upgrading to a new phone so if they made wireless charging way better it’d be nice to have a port less phone so I don’t have to worry about the port getting damaged or dirty
“I actually believed they would make a phone without a charging cable in 2023”
I kinda did too, but magsafe/anywireless charger is so inefficient that i'd rather plug in for 15min than wireless charge for 2 hours. Except apple didnt give us faster charging.....
Data transfers and debugging/restoring situations are what I'm more interested in looking at if they go wireless.
Airdrop lol
Removing charging port is just f**d up
@@kolaveri550 And if youre transferring to something thats not apple? Such as a windows pc?
agreed 100% but it's not apple if they don't do something outrageous just because "They Can".
@@kolaveri550 airdrop cant be used for restoring/debugging, as the feature works only when the phone is on. If Apple genius bar will have to open the phone for simple troubleshooting and repair, Apple is going to punish itself. For end users it's a big bummer as they have to rely on slow magsafe charging all the time. I don't see how it is an advancement, as we will be using a big puck instead of a small pin to charge the phones. Inconveniences charging the phone in car alone is a big step back. I know there are car holders with magsafe, but those don't allow good ventilation or make the experience easy.
Actually they gave the phone manufactorers time to unify their ports. However, since the outcome was apple:"great you can all use our outdated port", everyone else:"wtf - use USB-C", the EU decided its gonna be USB-C.
do you have a link for your source i cant seem to find anything about that. just curious btw
Yes the EU just forces apple to comply on what all other manufacturers allready agree on.
But i think there is a different outcome possible. While compliing with usb charging they could not use Usb functions like data transfer. And instead use Altmode to impliment bs like lighning over Usbc for "security" reasons and continue to skim profits of 3rd party manufacturers. Apple is just evil and needs to go down sooner rather than later.
That’s still not a useful approach. The law could have been worded differently as to require specific standards that would no be met by outdated ports or use some kind of majority system. Just prescribing one port for what is realistically going to be decades is dumb
@@KP3droflxpEU and the US are a lot different. EU officials actually listen to professionals, so if there's a new and better standard they'll implement it fast. '
The reason they specify USB C is that legal terms have to be specific so they can be enforced effectively and to prevent loopholes.
This video didn’t age well
Given USB-C is a connector standard I doubt very much it will fall out of date in the next few years. They've already updated the specification multiple times including just recently last month. The USB type A is still kicking after 26 years, it isn't as slow as it was back then because it was improved while keeping backward compatibility. Apple will do what it does but I suspect the inconveniences of wireless might bite them more than when they went that route for the headphone jack.
+1
Exactly, wireless always constitutes slower data transfer speeds, less reliable data transfer, it's more inefficient for charging, it's more expensive, and it in general just isn't that great. Plus, slapping a massive magnetic puck on the back of your phone is just the same if not worse then a cable and connector, because now you have this giant round thing on the back of your phone. Even with magnets aligning it, it's still a pain in the ass and makes things difficult. Apple really should just suck it up and make the USB-C iPhone everyone wants.
@@owmylehg7811agree wireless charging is ok while you thow your phone and dont use it (in car, or at night) and thats it.. 200w charging phone in 10min - that is the future.
Yeah, he and other youtubers are talking how "usb-c could be too slow in the future" while talking about lightning port that has usb 2.0 speed. Somehow they dont focus their reviews of the new iphone on the fact that it has painfuly slow port, because phones dont need that much speed. If you can live with usb 2.0 in phone now, you will for sure be happy with usb-c in 10 years.
I think what he means is before another big leap. Like how big of a leap it was going from micro to usb-c. Something that changes the form of the port, itself. Sure, USB A has went strong as a standard port, but the other end has commonly changed.
Mini USB was made in 2000
That became out of date when micro USB hit the stage in 2007.
The Type C replaced that one when it was officially finalized in 2014.
(Of course devices still come out with these older ports because they might not be technologically advanced enough to require a type-c, but a law like this is meant to change that)
As you can see, there's a trend. The last two leaps have been 7 years apart. Obviously there is the law of diminishing returns, so it might take longer and longer for big leaps to be made, but it has been 8 years since the standard of USB c was finalized. By the end of 2024, it'll be 10 years. Meaning if the trend continues, we will be overdue for another big leap, so it could happen any day from that point forward
You peripherally touched on it, but I think the real reason we won't see a USB-C iPhone is because they wouldn't be able to charge any sort of licensing fee for a universal standard like they do with the Lightning port. On the other hand, Magsafe is still a proprietary product, so they can keep on charging manufacturers 10% for participating their special walled garden.
I agree, we can't leave it up to companies, nor can we leave it up to government, neither can be trusted to do the smartest thing for everyone. So the best is always a compromise between money driven forces and all the other interests such as the environment and forced obsolescence.
The Mr.Brownlee agrees with is not right in any sort of way "TechCompanys should decide with their own Egineers how to achieve a goal of Regulators", for me that just sound likes saying, lets bend the rules till its fits for us. A company like Apple is happily using the USB-Standard on all their Macs, but yea surely for the Environment, let's keep the lightning port and cables. It does not make sense. Its like many Companies with were new claims to be C02 neutral, without any regulation for this claims. The EU might be clunky, and sometimes not up to speed, but at least sometimes, they stop these horse poo.
I just visualize people in 2024 sitting their, with there wireless chargingpads connected with a usb-c cable to charge their phones, like I had to for weeks, because my usb-c port was permanently jammed. I see all the advantages with phones, that you can't use while charging and please no internet anymore, I just want a safe connection with the Applenet, that offers me interconnected services from all over the world, while charging me for charging my phone, but give me discount if idll do that continuously over night. blaaaa for the environment.
Changing the connector on a wire from lightning to magnet, does not skirt the law. It is still wired charging, so must be USB-C.
@@klubstompers The cable that pluges into a wireless charging pad/puck would have to be USB-C, but if they make their own proprietary wireless charging standard, they can still charge licensing fees based on that. And if there is no port to charge the phone, then consumers would have no choice to use a proprietary charger which leaves iPhone users right were they started... Apple's walled garden.
You don't have to charge your iPhone through MagSafe, so it doesn't hold water. The QI standard is as generic as USB-C.
Finally it seems that they complied. The iPhone 15 now has a Type-C
This didn’t age well…
The inefficiency of wireless charging is an interesting topic Imo. Sure, not meaningful to one person. But moving towards every phone wasting a little more energy across the world. I feel like there is a potential for it to ad up.
Yes, this is my feeling on wireless charging. Phones make the average person use less energy in the fact that they are designed to be efficient to last a long time on batteries. Reducing the efficiency by forcing wireless charging would be a bad deal.
It super annoying that companies are pushing worse technology because it looks cool. It takes zero effort to plug in a USB-c cable.
cause that couldn't be said for most things that use electricity
@@xe-wf5iv yeah surely it can't be anywhere near as good as a 2m cable with a 33w charger
nah they are all about the environment, right? they would never make a move that increases iPhones consumption of energy by 25%, right?
The main thing I absolutely hate about wireless charging is that I can’t use my phone whilst charging because it has to be laying on a charging pad. With a cable I can use my phone however far the cable reaches
Fixed by having a wireless charger with a long cable to the plug attached to it and have it magnetically attach to the back of your phone (strong enough to be able to use). As much as I love my Apple products, that ridiculous solution will probably be called an innovation or be made by a 3rd party
@@MarcKreuzer wired wireless charging
U can look for some power banks with a charging pad on it
@@xd983 this was the first thing that came to my mind when I first saw magsafe
also, the charging pad needs a cable anyways.
This didn’t age well
Seeing this in 2024... Still think no port next year?
Biggest problem with wireless charging: I often hold my phone in my hand while it is charging via cord, especially at night when the phone is depleted. Trying to do this with MagSafe sounds maddening.
it is absolutely possible though. The magsafe "magnet" thing is still at the end of a chord, and they can make the chord longer to accomodate people that want to be able to use the phone while it is charging. I don't believe they are going to exculsively magsafe, but for other reasons than this. This one seems like not a real issue.
@@mutedmutiny9542 oh I see what you mean, a little mag connected to the cord on the wall that magnets to the middle of the back of your phone. Would look like a hockey puck ig
@@Jeremy-bt8lo yeah they make them like that already, I have a few because I think they come with the Apple Watch, but they work for any other MagSafe devices too.
The biggest problem is that it wastes more energy. At the current stage it uses about 75% more energy. 1MM phones that can charge at 15W/h would use 11.25 GW/h more per charge. Just so you don't have to plug it in?
@@mutedmutiny9542 I don’t have a model with MagSafe yet, but the magnet on the watch charger is so weak that if I’m holding the watch I have to press the magnet to the back to keep it from falling off while I’m handling it. Maybe the MagSafe is a stronger bond, though
Making everyone carry the wireless charging adapter instead of a simple cable would be such a huge step back
So... it sounds exactly like something Apple would do
As if it's not embarrassing enough to charge a phone via cable in the public, now we'll get to see these clunky, wireless pucks being thrown into the mix for extra shame.
Evolving backward since tim cook
Yeah
@@ammarharith5512 I dont really see any problem with charging a phone with a cable in public o.O
Love how you put some of these publications in check.
And they wonder why they're struggling.
in the USA we are stuck without adaptive headlights because there is still laws in place stating that headlights in cars must have two separate parts for low beams and high beams. Getting laws involved in technology may benefit us right now but will hinder us in the long run. Laws never change fast enough.
The problem is the EU did just that. A decade ago they told the industry to create a standardized cable because, at the time, literally every phone (even by the same brand) had different cables. Everyone agreed to do so. Everyone followed through on their commitment, except 1. Thus this law was created to force compliance. This law was also created in such a way that it can update with the standards but anyone that things usbc is going to be replaced in a couple of years is crazy. USB A has existed for 30 years and is still going. USB C will suffice for charging device for many years. And don't forget, the company shouting about innovation is the one using a standard that hasn't changed in a decade. That still runs a pathetic wattage at usb2 data speeds. Lightning is about money and only money.
I was going to say exactly that. I think the idea that the government shouldn't be prescriptive when it comes to tech assumes that the industry plays in good faith, when that's rarely ever true, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Apple. The fact that Apple completely discarding wired charging is a realistic prospect - despite USB-C being a great connector type with blazing fast data transfer and charging speeds even by today standards - proves that.
I don’t blame the EU for taking action, but it’s a poorly worded law imo. Too prescriptive.
i am a libertarian so i disagree with the EU law. I don't believe governments have any place in mandating technology. i'm not affected by the lightning problem because i have no Apple products and I would never buy an Apple product. I think the correct solution is for everyone who doesn't like the lightning port to just not buy it.
@@tacokoneko Many people are mandated to use Apple products, and iPhones, as part of their jobs. Besides, your viewpoint assumes every consumer is perfectly rational (in the economic sense of the word) which is not the case.
@@stevethomas3502 it's prescriptive because Apple forced their hand... not the other way around, Apple decided to NOT play ball, then they are just forced to change, the cable will change with time if it's necessary, the tech industry has enough lobies in brussels to make it happen.
My biggest problem with iPhone getting rid of the charge port entirely is that every phone is going to copy them after a few years just like they did with the Headphone jack and expandable storage. I REALLY do not want to lose my USB-C port on my phone in like 2027 or something
if the charging speeds can keep up, then i dont mind it, 1 less port to clean dust out of.
@@niajef yea, so if your phone is low on juice, your shit out of luck in so many different situations.
@@DailyMynt wait what?
No they wont. I can guarantee that. If apple ditches the port they will lose millions of customers. Other companies wont follow that.
Power banks now won’t work. So any situation that was handy means your gonna have a dead phone battery. At the bar, well the bartender can’t help you and just let you plug in etc… wireless charging is cool as an option but not if it’s the only option.
Great information. Thanks for another great video!
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I always roll my eyes when these companies pretend to care about e-waste. If their concerns were genuine, they wouldn't insist on releasing new phones every year. At this point, the "improvements" are so minor year-to-year that it's unnecessary - people could easily go at least 2 years between phones, and that alone would give a drastic reduction in e-waste.
I get myself a new phone every 5 years or so, and that's usually only because I'm effectively forced to if I want to use newer software. I don't view a phone as a fashion accessory, or even an essential item, and my life doesn't revolve around it. I'd probably still be on my HTC Desire S if I knew newer software would be usable.
Agreed. They should make them so that they're more customizable. Ie. Ability to upgrade an existing phone without having to buy a completely new phone. (storage capacity)
@@T2MARA There was a project trying to do exactly that a few years back - you may have heard of it - Phonebloks. Lots of companies showed an interest, Google got involved and created Project Ara... then in true Google fashion, they killed it after 2 years.
Because why sell modules for a reasonable price, when so many people are happy to pay a fortune every year for a whole new phone that's very slightly better than the one they already have?
The first thing that's needed is to kill this perception that a phone is a must-have fashion accessory that the likes of Apple and Samsung have drilled into everyone; I mean, who really _needs_ a phone that folds? 🤷♂
@@ParanoimiaUK they do exist, check out Fairphone
@@zbarba The Fairphone is a step in the right direction, but it's not on the level that Phonebloks aspired to be. Yes, you can replace components if they fail, which is great - but you can only replace like-for-like.
They're now on Fairphone 4, which uses different parts from the previous versions, and several parts for those older phones are now discontinued... so you're still forced to upgrade the entire phone at some point.
The (admittedly idealistic) concept behind a fully modular product like Phonebloks wasn't just that you'd be able to replace failed components with working ones, but that it would be _upgradeable_, with newer, better cameras/processors/batteries/screens etc. that fit into the same chassis - so there wouldn't be any need for a "Phonebloks 2", you'd just buy newer components as and when they were available and slot them in to the existing phone body.
That said, they (Fairphone) have only released 4 phones in 9 years, which is more or less one every 2 years, and that is _definitely_ something to be commended.
A lot of things are released annually, like cars for example. It doesn't mean you have to buy a new one every year.
Can’t believe that there are people who actually prefer the lightning port
apple fanboys that's it
Those people only own a single tech product, the iPhone. Essentially tech illiterate people.
mostly vain people
I don’t prefer either. It charges my phone over night. That’s it.
People who say this always seem to agree USB-C isn't rugged or durable enough which confuses me because lightning is such a weak wire
Thanks for updating us
Well thought out, man. Thanks.
The problem with wireless charging is that it heats up the phone REALLY bad, even if I close all my apps, turn down my brightness, and put my phone in low power mode while it’s charging. The technology just isn’t there yet to justify going completely portless, plus I prefer having a faster wired charger anyways
It gets even worse when using a protective case (necessitated by the fact phone companies insist on using either luxury aluminium that scratches easily or luxury glass that breaks when it falls).
There's wireless adaptive charging
@@archiemisc that's still inherently less efficient and gets worse with more distance to the phone (because of a protective case).
When you say “it heats up the phone really bad” Apple hears “more frequent phone purchase”💰
Wireless charging is planned obsolescence. Nothing wears out a devices battery as much as heat. It's also wildly inefficient compared to wired charging.
Well looks like the predictions weren’t quite on point which is hard to know with apple. To be honest i don’t think they will go portless before 2025. Wireless charging regardless of it being Apple is still fairly inefficient and wastes a lot of power as heat.
Marques you sound like the kid that apple is in regards to this topic. What a big empathy, not for a person but for an entire, very big company. They did their job well with ya
great video, small comment:
First time the EU voted on charging cable standards they did leave it up to the engineers. Look where that got us, all other phone manufacturers agreed on a standard, micro USB. That later became USB-C. Apple? Not so much.
So yes, in principle I agree government shouldn't be that strict, but Apple themselves forced their hand here.
Apple should be sanctioned for their shit. Their producing more e waste then 70% of the whole industry...
Also, the research shows that at the moment USB-C is just a form factor. With that same form factor and different controller configurations we can have almost endless results. Not saying that USB-C form factor is perfect and that it doesn't need changing, but performance creep is not a fear anymore. Look at thunderbolt, USB-4 and all the other USB-C standards...
This. Apple themselves are to blame for the law
Forced their hand? If Apple does that and there are still droves buying Apple, then why are people of yours or their likes representing these people?
@@teerificbitch Irrelevant. My point is simple: MKBHD says government should go easier. They did. It didn't work, they step up their game.
The port is not just used for charging though. The phone still needs to be able to connect to a computer for troubleshooting or recovery.
and for wired earphones too, incase buds run-out of battery
they might use a separate port/pin connector just for data (not for charging)
This is an important issue, I don't know why nobody is talking about it.
They'll say just go to apple service centre and spend some time and money on new motherboard ⚰️
You can do it wirelessly quite easily. With a Mac at least.
How did he make the like button get highlighted at 2:08?
Was listening to this video, trying to get iPhone news, thinking “This guy sounds JUST like Kurtis Conner.” Looked at my phone, and whoa you’re the CZcams Rewind guy!
The problem Iv always had with wireless is that its the exact same as wired. you still have a wire coming from the wall ito the phone, only now you have to make sure not to accidently bump the phone when its charging. Its just not better in anyway IMO....
This is what I feel as well, you're gonna need wires anyways, might as well go with the faster option
Magsafe solves the bumping problem, but yeah, it's still not truly wireless... Taking the wires out of the equation entirely is a whole other level
The advantage of wireless is being able to plonk your device down in vaguely the right spot on a surface without also having to specifically plug it in - a *very* small advantage to be sure, and also doesn't really apply to the standard MagSafe charger where you've got a hockey puck stuck to the phone hanging loose just like a normal cable, but it is technically there.
Exactly, wireless charging is utterly useless. It still uses a wire, has slow charging, and can't transfer data at any viable speed. No idea why people are so down for it. Baffles me how people will give up all the benefits just to save 1 calorie of effort by not having to plug in the wire
The benefit I see is that you don't have to pull out the cable of the charger very often
Type C has to be the "unified charging standard" because it is the most common standard we have now. Its very hard to enforce laws that don't have specific details defined, because anyone could claim their proprietary cable is the standard.
Actually i heard from his podcast
That Eu told apple and gave them new standards to comply to 🙄 but they didnt so they choose usb c so they can force them into complying
So i dont know why Apple is acting like the victim here
@@story-teller657 Because they're a company playing their cards, but consumers have theirs and the market should reflect that, via governments.
I remember when I had an iPhone 4s (the only iPhone I had), I had a case that blocked all ports because I wanted something waterproof and kept breaking LifeProof cases. I wished that wireless charging existed then, as I had wireless headphones. Now I have a Nokia specifically because it does have USB-C and headphone jack, but I could see the wireless part coming for a while. People joked about it when they removed the headphone jack. My only concern, is that I run a church sound system, and the only way to play something wireless, is to connect to the piano via bluetooth (brand new piano, I don't even know how that works), and then the mixer channel for the piano should be able to control that. It just sounds confusing, but expected.
USB Type-C only defines the physical layer. The protocols used are already different and confusing. Some USB 2, some USB 3, USB 3,1, USB 3.2, USB 4.
Unless the law is specific about it, Apple could make a device that has a USB Type-C port that would allow for charging, but devise an entirely different protocol for data transfer, which would mean most everyone would still want the Apple brand cable that connects to other devices.
Also - do the MagSafe connections support data transfer? I don't think I've ever tried to connect one. And the speeds? Since the only port left on the iPhone is the charging port, removing it would be a big problem for the many people who use that port to connect to other external devices (for audio out, or midi in, etc.)
EU has been fairly good about regular reviews of laws, as in if they write into the law that they will revisit it every x years they actually do that. It’s also quite a different process from the US where laws seem to very much be forever laws that nobody actually touches ever again.
he never mentioned that, shame
must be nice to have a modern functioning democracy instead of just like, the decaying corpse of one.
Yeah people don't consider the fact that EU laws are constantly be updated and revised
You have to consider the opportunity cost though. Is it worth it to constantly go back and re-visit laws instead of considering new ones? And how many laws can you plan to re-visit before it becomes too much?
Curious as to the process you expect the next generation cable to be designed by. EU teams up with tech or tech collaborates? Hint: neither are happening. Five years will pass and nothing new will come out because there will be no collaboration.
We used to have different electrical outlets in our homes before they were standardized. All other electronics manufacturers decided to use USB-C, Apple refused and forced the EUs hand
@@wishunter9000 not sure about the former but the latter part surely was
@@wishunter9000 If you look at EU history, it is. Apple is the reason the law was made.
Patently untrue. Currently, every country has its own standard. There are certain things that hold true in multiple countries, like Britain's 3-prong outlet being adopted in other countries -- they use the same deal in Singapore. However, my country uses the two-prong flat pin, and I've still seen electronics and appliances that have the 2 rounded pins. There are also 3-pins, both with flat and rounded pins. Some flat pins are angled.
This is the reason why you have to buy _universal_ outlets which can accommodate everything --- well, at least _almost_ everything but the UK standard, which requires its own outlet.
Is it just me or does yourself and so many other here lack common sense……..
My iPhone charger is USB-C with a lightning port adapter, been like this for years…….
@@tears2040 are you talking about an iPad or some other device? Cause currently there are no unmodified iphones with usb c connector,
or are you being sarcastic?
4:24 "how much do you really use the charging port on your phone", this question coming from apple would be soo funny😂😂
This guy just keeps on getting better and better over the years. Good research made video sire
I'm sure you don't remember this but when I graduated in 01', I remember that just about every single cell phone had its own unique changing plug. I think it went by manufacturer, but even then some same brands had a different plug. I thought it was the greatest thing when the first mini USB plug started showing up on a lot of new products.
apple was also the first company to introduce a true smartphone into the market
Laptops were even worse.
@@tricky0048 and the last major phone company to die on the hill of using a shitty proprietary port, good to see somebody's forcing it
The USA car charging dock market is in complete Chaos because their companies want propriotary plugs, in Europe the Government legislated for the use of standardised ports... hence why the USA has a problem with charging stations and Europe doesnt
@@JuanAristi the us has a problem with charging stations because the majority of the people here don't want to pay for that trash.
What I think people always overlook is the fact, that wireless charging is also wired, only the place where you put your charger changes to the back of the Phone. In my opinion the advantages are marginal...
Yup, exactly. It's not really wireless at all. You still have to connect your phone to the end of a wire. Really, it's just a new type of port/connector. Just, it's a lot slower and larger than a USB-C connector.
Had to scroll way too far to find this comment
@@oh-totoro yeah hardly comparable to a wireless in the sense of an AM/FM radio receiver.
My ideal for the successor to USB Type C would be a new type that has the same plug but new specs. So it could be backwards compatible with all the Type C stuff we have already but still bring new tech.
And also, was there really a reason for apple to use that old wide connector on the iPhones instead of going micro USB?
My guess would be that Apple is afraid of people jailbreaking the devices easier if equipped with USB Type C too..
Thats what the EU law states, "USB type C" describes the shape of the port only.
There are already multiple variations and improvements to the USB type C standard which started out in 2014 as USB 3.1 capable of 5 Gbit/s, its since gone through multiple revisions to the USB 4 standard which can go up to 40Gbit/s and they're all backwards compatible. Current charging over USB C is up to 100W. Which variant of the standard is implemented is down to how the individual companies configure their products.
my guess is apple sells lighting port lisence to people who wanna build a lighting compatible device and apple dont want to lose that money (you dont need micro usb to jailbrake an iphone)
actually the old large charging port on iphones was so much better than micro usb in terms of just about everything other than size so yes there was a reason for it lol. i think ur forgetting just how bad micro usb was.
Letters denote physical forms, numbers denote data/power transfer protocols. So, what you are talking about is actually USB 4.
Micro usb is garbage
This didn't age well.
You won't age well.
@@CentroidYT He already hasn't aged well
You’re so good you don’t just predict the future, you provide Apple with their own solutions.
I never even thought of them removing the cable from the box and then putting just the wireless charging puck.
This has been said for a long time anyway. When they announced this possibility years ago, even I said they were more likely to go wireless than usbC and everyone said it was not possible lol
One thing I think isn't being mentioned nearly often enough about this law is that it also mandates USB-C on laptops from 2026, which I think could be even more important than iphones. Laptop manufacturers are still treating USB-C charging as a premium feature for high-end laptops only when it's meant to be the new standard for all of them. I, for one, can't wait for the death of shitty barrel chargers. Maybe this would have been solved by 2026 regardless, but they've bungled this so far so who knows if they'd voluntarily fix it any time soon.
Yeah the barrel chargers are dogshit, but the Macbooks Magsafe charger is the GOAT, so for me personally, I REALLY hope they don't need to switch back to USB-C for the Macbooks. When they first stopped using magsafe it really sucked, and now that it's come back it's so much better in everyway.
@@therealjp1116 you can still use USB C for the new MacBooks that have MagSafe
@@therealjp1116 the law does not prohibit apple from implementing magsafe though. The law only required devices that can be charged via wires to be able to use USB-C. In macbooks, the thunderbolt port is USB PD compatible and you can use usb-c to charge your macbook if you don't want to use the mag safe. So with that, it means apple already complied even before it was enforced.
However for those other device manufacturers like hp, dell that does include usb-c on their laptops but does not support PD, this law will enforce it.
@@iamwisdomsky ahhh you guys are right! My bad, I completely forgot about that haha!
@@purpledrank2922 you're right dude! I forgot, my bad haha!
Feels crazy watching this on a USB-C iPhone
well this prediction didn't age well.
this aged well.
What's great about using USB-C is that as long as the next changes don't change the connector, a USB 4 or 5 or 6 cable and charger will be backwards compatible.
Exactly. USB-C has already evolved since its inception. By making that connector the standard, it ensures that progress is directed towards it, rather than dispersed across a bunch of proprietary connectors, just for the sake of locking people to their thing.
There really should be far more regulated standardisation like this, but it is tricky to know when to bring it in.
Electric vehicle charging could have really done with it early on yet still doesn't really have it (though thankfully there's not been too much diversification). It's not difficult to make a forward looking standard with redundancy now that can be used in the future.
Eventually things will need a clean-sheet redesign as it becomes too difficult to fit the latest stuff into decades old form factors, but that can be worked on for several years with industry groups to bring it about.
Yup, the new thunderbolt protocol will use the same USB-C connector and get double the speed of the protocol that came before it. I think MKBHD misses this point. And realistically the transfer speeds of new thunderbolt standards are way higher than anyone is going to need for consumer gadgets anytime soon. Maybe one day data transfers will be so intensive that USB-C connectors won’t cut it, but that day isn’t any time soon. Standardizing on one connector for consumer gadgets is a great thing
@@ChrispyNut in Europe there is also a unified standard for electric car charging connectors. This means that any electric car can use any charging station
Usb-c is just the connector, the internal wiring will change with the new usb 4 and beyond specs but the physical connector will stay the same.
@@themariokartlick Crap, yea, you're quite right. Thank you for the correction, I'll amend my comment.
Our apps would take too long to run wireless only. So we should get either a very robust wireless solution or move to USB-C, which is a very welcome change. Not to mention high res videos, take forever to transfer so we need higher speeds!
What apps
@@iPhone5244 We develop various apps for iOS. Thus have a ton of test devices that we have to run tests across, which can be a bit of a pain.
You mean debugging? Completely forget about that.
what are you on about?
@@azero79 if you own a cellular phone, there are apps on that phone. Apps don't magically appear out of thin air, people have to make them. Did you really not know that?
I'm so excited for the future of phones being completely portless so there's literally no way to use wired peripherals without a wireless adapter dongle that limits their bandwidth, really cool for anyone who enjoys specific enthusiast electronics that rely on wired data transfer, like audiophiles
Irony is confusing to some.
they actually can't remove the port from the device unless they come up with a centralized way of transferring files from or to the phone to a lap top or pc yes there are many apps and cloud share platforms but they can be slow and or annoying to deal with compared to just plugging in a simple lightning or type-c cable to get pictures or other files transferred
In regards to Apple going port less … I genuinely hope they *don’t* . I use Bluetooth, and I use wireless charging 99% of the time … but I also use a wired audio connection regularly enough that a completely port-less device would be problematic.
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With the way the law is written Apple could change nothing and just disable charging over lightning... in only the EU.
They can have ports, just not *charging* ports
Then it’s suffice to say you’re not Apples target market.
@@StinkyCatFarts No … I am an Apple user, and this change would mean them abandoning a segment of their user base. Would just mean that I would be forced to buy something different … But then, probably by that point, other brands will have followed Apples lead (like they typically always do in this regard), so …
Hi there, great video as always! But, if I may, I think you forgot one detail, again pushed by the EU: repairability. If your iPhone dies, or any other smartphone, basically every diagnostic test is made by attaching the device to the testing machine, or computer, or whatever...by cable. Going "full wireless" or "cable-less" would go against (part of) the EU laws of repairability...
Apple could have magsafe charging and still keep the lightning port for diagnostic but won't charge the phone just to be dicks
Great point
How do you diagnose a smartwatch then? You connect it to another device via wifi. Or if not then it's dead. But the point is that there are already many devices that are already portless and are not against the EU law.
@@s-plus
I agreed with D.E. Until I read your comment. You are right Sergey
@@s-plus better point
This video is very potent right now
I'm noticing a distinct lack of "charging docks/devices" on that list that needs to have a USB-C port. In other words, they can still make the wireless charging thing have their own plug, and sell a separate adapter so you can plug it into a USB port.
When Marques said, “It’s tech-in’ time!” it truly was a moment of time.
It was certainly a thing that happened
Not just a moment, one of the moments of all time
Kid named finger
People really still find the Morbius memes funny 😶
My favorite part was when Marques said "It's tech-in' time!" and tech-ed all over the room.
I have wireless charger for the past 3 years for android and 90% of the time I use wired. It is just efficient, one cable for all my devices when I travel. Apple just doesn't want to give that flexibility it seems :)
I also prefer wired charging, but if Apple goes portless I wonder how many android phones will follow
seems like apple just dont want to be told what to do and not to do. i love it! hahaha
@@Adolar andriod already have wireless, it's just any phone aren't still there to go portless due to inefficiency of wireless charging, it loses most energy to heat and slow charging too, also data transfer speed is a other thing. Idk how they gonna get better speeds without wired but hey we gotta wait and see.
apple LOVES "proprietary"
@@Adolar many android phone has wireless charging but the brand also knew they don't use it
so many chose not to include it to maybe put something else in
plus wireless charging = u need to buy extra wireless charging pad
android phone don't even include it in the box
I agree. It shouldn't be "you have to use USB-C" but should instead "you have to use the industry standard connectors and protocols" because - as you briefly mentioned - industry standards change.
I’m upgrading to either a 15/15 pro, or a used 14 pro this September / October.
Next upgrade will probably be the 18 or whatever they decide to brand the 20 as. (Currently on a SE2)
If they do decide to go wireless, I’ll either get the last of the wired ones (or stick with the 15/pro) for as long as possible. Or I’ll switch to android. (Or very unlikely, I’ll import / get an imported used one, following some generations behind so they can be cheaper)
And if Framework ever makes a phone, I’ll very likely get that. (Unless repairability becomes more common with other brands in like 8 years)
Didn’t care much for losing the headphone Jack. Don’t like the notch, but I’m okay with the island. But I need a charging port.
A couple of others have already raised this in comment chains, but the big obstacle I see here is CarPlay-they've made a huge push in this regard and at this point the vast majority of new/late model cars have CarPlay support, but only via wired connection in most stock head units and budget to mid-range aftermarket alternatives. Given how few people actually upgrade their car's stock media systems and the age of the average car, going wireless without a CarPlay solution would be a tough sell.
Interestingly enough Apple has already patentend a magsafe charger to also have data transfer, so then you'll just plug in the mag safe connector to your car.
5$ dongle?
Car manufacturers are already expanding car play's usage to the instrument panel. I'd imagine going forward that car play won't just be an add-on, but a core component of the vehicle which would off load some of the data for phones.
Big issue is i have a wireless carplay head unit but i can't use it because my new car (along with many new cars) has a weird oversized media centre with wired carplay and it won't fit. Car manufacturers will have to release new models with wireless support or go back to using a standard size unit.
I'm guessing Apple is already testing a wireless to USB dongle for carplay that they will be happy to sell you.
I definitely like this push, I’ve kinda hated lightning since they’ve started transitioning to usb C. Now they’re being forced to follow through on their wireless transition
@@sonacphotos it's old and trash. Plus they break all the time
@@sonacphotos Reliable? Bro, those cables break like biscuits, I've seen it everywhere.
@@gotworc it’s not trash, it only breaks because the wire material is cheap af, braided lightning connectors last forever. It’s only slow because apple uses a lower chip controller connector instead of it when it comes to data transfers, that’s why it’s limited at USB 2.0 I believe, previous iPad pros with lightning cables had far faster speeds at 3.0 and up.