Watch our original tear-down of the 5700 XT here: czcams.com/video/BpctR5TFJjk/video.html And our review here: czcams.com/video/-SAWtKEIYbw/video.html And find the GN toolkit here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit
unrelated to the cooling issue, but why does the 5700 card even exist. The 5700xt is only fifty bucks more and competes with the 2070. Why not just save up that little bit more and buy the xt?
Hey Steve, would you mind doing an aftermarket cooler like the accelero xtreme iv or raijintek morpheus ii. The idea being to test the raw performance of the 2070 super versus 5700xt when the cooler isn't a factor. Waterblock would also work, of course, so just whatever is simplest or on hand.
Reference cards are only good for water blocks. (Except for fan models, like NVidia went with.) Those blowers just don't work well.. even with good mounting for the heatsink.
@@qzcc5550 Well I consider that part of the cooler package, but point taken. There may be better cooler designs, but going with a thermal pad over a good paste is probably the big core issue.
I found that adding thicker rubber pads on bracket in the area that pushes down on the back of the PCB was much more effective than the washer method at increasing the mounting pressure between the die and the cold plate. You also wont be able to see the mod after the fact. I used thick foam double sided tape, and added layers until i got the optimum contact pressure; used that contact paper idea you guys introduced. I used this method on my Radeon VII, the Washer method is rather sketchy in my book, and looks it to.
@@GamersNexus The pressure from the rubber fatigues over time I have seen hacks like that before on say.. trains.. But there is springs for compact installations you can look at. Lesjofors got some neat ones.
off topic but back in the red ring of death days for the x360 after you baked the chip that came desoldered I would use plastic thin washers under the mounting hardware as well as flex the bracket a bit to get much better mounting pressure. This worked out pretty good and I did a lot of 360's this way and all worked fine for a very long time after except one of them which had gotten another problem not related to the red ring of death. Because these were pretty much classified as dead there was little risk of breaking anything because it was already non functional.
@@GamersNexus You guys might want to try that method too. Also after that some lapping if you dont mind :) On the paste reccomendations you've made. I think TG kryonaut ''breaks'', after 80C so It would be a good choice for this card. Know that from Vega 56, Vega 64 owners.
Dr. Lisa Su: I want good thermals on Navi. AMD Engineer: The technology actually doesn't exist. Dr. Lisa Su: STEPHEN BURKE WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS! AMD Engineer: I'm sorry. I'm not Stephen Burke.
Ok, I've done this mod also like another chap in the comments. I used thermal grisly kryonaut, 1mm thick silicone thermal pads and some plastic washers. With the washers, I made sure the hole was big enough for the small post that pokes through the pcb to fit within, and also kept the springs on. So order is screw, bracket, washer, spring. The spring also fits inside the washer. I also put 4 1mm thick strips of plasticard under the four rubber feet around the center of the mounting bracket (1 strip on each rubber foot), to increase the pressure at the center. Then did an auto undervolt in wattman and now I site at 2020mhz over prolonged furmark 1080p runs, getting to a junction temp of about 86 after saturation. Clock may dip a bit on saturation, but still above 1900.
AMD: We invested millions in bringing you these new cards GN: we spent bout 4 cents and made it better :p Doesnt that pressure test paper look like the GN logo??
Dumd Amd wasting opportunity again , should have made 2fan design and GPUs could have clocked higher and match rtx2070super performance for less money.
3:26 - You NEED to use PLASTIC washers. You can see in the closeup shot at this time index that the metal washer is touching some resistors on the back side of the card. This could lead to a short and failure once the coating wears off.
I used metal washers and there is no problem for now. But my washers were not as big as the ones in this video actually they had the perfect size and fit perfectly under the metal thing
I used washers on the heatsink assembly for laptops through the years,because the springs were a terrible rate. I thought I was alone in my thinking and method,but now I realize I'm not alone.
When I used to do reflow repairs of GPUs I found that using a copper shim with good quality thermal paste like arctic silver worked best. The trick is to test fit different thickness copper shims and to have some resistance to moving, when the heatsink is reassembled take a pick or small screwdriver and try to move the shim. You want enough resistance that the shim will move when pressure is applied. After finding the right ship apply the thermal paste and it’s good to go. You don’t want a ton of pressure on the GPU die as pushing the chip down too much will cause damage. Done correctly the shim has enough room to move around from thermal expansion and provides better cooling. You can find a copper shim assortment on eBay and they are cheap. On average I would get at least a 15c - 20c degree decrease in temperature.
if you need that info so much, just Google any other cooler mounting instruction with cross plate on the back and add to that some washers between gpu board and cross plate that's it... so basic, ofc he wouldn't waste his time and resource on rendering another minutes of video, it's a basic routine. Tons of tutorials how to apply all that over internet. don't be lazy, or if you are too afraid to do it, just let someone experienced do It fo u
For anyone interested, the paper is called Fuji Impression paper. It's cheap to buy, but it costs around $50 to analyze a single piece unless you buy their scanner which costs $10k. The more red does mean better contact, but it doesn't mean Forces are evenly distributed. The Red color needs to be scanned and measured in pixels to understand its pigment and its saturation, then you can call it good or bad pressure(force) distribution.
@@joeallan3706 and for extra min 50 dollars its even more in my country so ı will buy blower but ı dont think it will be a problem for me ı play max 1 or 1.5 hours and rest for another 30 min
Those HM03 pads are good, but not for high density, high TDP parts. AMD should focus on increasing the mounting pressure of their coolers and start using high conductivity thermal pastes instead. Preferably a trilinear ceramic based compound to reduce the effects of ageing.
Checkt out pcgh.de. It's PC Games Hardware, a German magazine. Am on a mobile connection so can't include the link, but they had a video yesterday. Still interesting even when you don't understand him talking. Considering you can take these coolers from gen to gen and always go for the reference card it's very compelling.
@UCH2l_lS7uiIF5Vffbq0cnFQ TBF the video title allows you to deduce the findings of the video. Stuff like this happens because companies rush products to market. If there is another explanation you think is likely then do share.
@@tonybarden8563 True. But let's also consider that AMD's thermal solutions for their GPUs are notoriously garbage. To compete they have to take it seriously. It's not good enough to produce a product that competes on price and perf but then falls flat on its face because it's noisy and hot.
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 You missed out your part; triggered keyboard warrior. A perfect trifecta! Not entirely sure what you're standing up for though. Now that we've all had time to watch the video (which I have done - you'll find soothing to hear) do you propose we alter our hideously premature conclusions?
@@stephenwakeman3074 well the blower is a 'fit-all' solution ,but then you do have to ask at this sort of price ,most buyers are actually pc clued up with decent case venting etc ,so a blower for the masses may not be a good idea ,but hey how on earth would a pc part company know there market is for a gamer ....lol i wasnt defending the blower at all mate ,just pointing out the business/automation process would be less good at doing the ideal job as a tech channel by hand
Thanks for the video. I applied this mod using nylon #4 size washers and my 5700 XT is now running around 78c with the fan at 2100 rpm. The card maintains about 1900MHz. Again thanks for the affordable mod for cooler temps and little to no throttling. :)
Ok, first of all I have been PC gaming and building rigs for 20 years but I have never took apart a graphics card before. I was nervous to do it but I got the plastic washers, some Kryonaut and some thermal pads (for the back plate) and did it. Now, even with the stock fan curve it is not going above 79C on unigine benchmark/stress test. Thanks so much for making this video and the tear down one, it was a big help.
Try being in australia.. 0.20c for the washers, plus import tax, plus customs tax, plus wholesaler markup, plus retailer markup, plus GST, grand total of $89.72USD, plus exchange rate conversion is a grand total of $146.56AUD
Yeah, don't do this. Must use plastic, or those old school red paper washers under metal. Another problem is metal can penetrate the PCB coating and contact the copper traces.
I understood the use of the pad in Radeon 7,as it was a big die with 4 HBM stacks, but I don't think this could be a problem for the radeon 5700 when the die is a lot smaller, unless the heatsink has really really bad tolerances.
@@hantzleyaudate7697 And so? Any partner card uses thermal paste, this was done on r7 cause the cooler was uneven, smaller die means smaller cooler contact so it should be less of a problem.
i think they started using it with r7, then seeing some sort of production side efficiency of using pads vs. paste they decided to use it for all cards. the only way i can see them doing it with negative thermal consequences is if it is saving them money somehow.
I hope the right AMD people are watching this and manage to get these improvements into their Radeon cards. The washers won't be a huge added cost/effort and the positive consumer feedback (especially regarding to temp issues) will be worth it.
Also the grille in the back mounting bracket restricts airflow causing the fan to run in a semi stalled state. Lay the case on its side so you can run the card with the plate removed as a test. You will see lower temperatures and reduced noise. Modding the back mounting bracket with saw and file's, to maximise the opening size is pretty easy.
The spring effect of the bracket can be increased if you bend all 4 legs with 2 pliers. So it needs much more force to push it down and you also avoid bending the pcb this way.
40db measured at an arbitrary 20" and on an open test bench. So install in a case and leave the cover on and you will barley hear the card whoosh, run the latest drivers for the fan curve and of course run games and not Torture Tests so temps will be normal and no throttling will be observed.
for everyone complaining about AMDs design, consider that they can't just add 1mm washers to all cards in production. The amount of spring force will depend on the thickness tolerances/variances of the washers, the gpu die, bend angle of the spring etc.. maybe a total of +-1mm of total tolerances. The spring is designed to not add too much pressure at the max, and "enough" at the minimum. Increasing the spring stroke may get you into a pressure that the VC is not designed for. But this is not a problem when you check with pressure paper and adjust the washer thickness accordingly. Which would add alot on the pricetag in mass production. Steves comment at the end hits the nail on the head.
@@thenetpagan yeah but mounting and spacing is the same again and the GPU generally sits in the same spot on the PCB on every reference full length card.
there is one more concern with the metal washer. its that if it was not installed correctly, it could cause a short circuit, or even when it is being installed corrected, if something went wrong like the washer scratched the surface of the PCB and exposing data lines and causing a short circuit, the damage could be lethal to the card. to me, plaster is a much safer choice and more reasonable choice.
Thank you for this video. My 5700XT arrived today and had be contemplating returning ever since it shipped. This video puts my mind at ease. P.S. I am one of those idiots that loves the design of this cooler.
@3:33 looks like the washer on the left is over the top of those 0402 resistors. Small surface mount components like that are susceptible to cracking and fracturing which alters their properties or causes them to go open circuit completely. It's probably a better idea to find a smaller diameter washer or a small length of tube.
So I bios flashed my 5700 reference card to the XT bios as soon as I got the card, went from 78°C max temp in Modern Warfare at max settings @ 1080p, up to roughly 86°C after the flash. Today I applied thermal paste, lightly sanded the contact plate on the vapor chamber with 2,000 grit paper, and made my own washers with a guitar pick and a drill, and I'm back down to an average max of 80°C. But I went from average 100fps in-game to capping at 144fps. Overall pretty worthwhile, but I will be getting a waterblock for it soon
This literally brought my junction down 23+C. Thank you! (MSI Evoke OC 5700, red bios mod to 2016mhz core clock and 1800 memory clock with voltage curve correction; thermalright 12.8w/mK pads with kryonaut paste running 63 current and 78-79 junction, down from 100-102 junction)
@@goofball1_134 Yo, I went to Lowe's hardware and bought a pack of tiny gold metal washers. Idk what size, but basically the smallest they had. I used them for all 6 screws on the back of my GPU
You should sell this a kit on your website - it took a lot of tech savvy people to make a good product but it takes a tech genius to take that good product and make it great.
@Alex Davies I've seen other channels test 1440p + ris vs true 4k and say the quality was very similar. So even though they can have different uses you would test bfV / ffxv / whatever else has dlss with both features (1440p ris vs "4k" dlss vs true 4k on both) with 5700xt and rtx 2070 super. This could show if either could do a "4k like" experience at high frames without spending 2080ti bucks.
It's no different than an upscaler on your tv. X Y Tap scale with bilinear or trilinear (depending on noise function) and then apply a sharp filter matrix to harden edges. It can be processed as the buffer flip is called.
Really liked the detailed breakdown for this and the improvement you made. I'll be holding off for AIB cards, but will pick up possibly a Gigabyte or Strix 5700XT to see thermals and noise level improved
I date back to a time where if a GPU even had a fan it was a single 80x80 glued to the board and if if failed it was time for an upgrade anyway. I say that to buy some sympathy when I admit that I never knew about much less checked on these issues with ny 5700 XT from early 2020. It was at least amusing given their was a happy ending. Between the shit VRAM mounting to the pads and the passage of time, if one were to try to the “penny” trick, they’d have needed to stand said pennies on their side to bridge the gap between the VRAM and the thermal pads. I couldn’t confirm what version I had and scree types seemed to vary randomly anyway, so I went my own way and just used one less washer than it took before any given screw could not reach the threads, which was often less than videos like this recommend (making me assume I have a refresh model with shorter screws) and yet I covered a near half inch gap, and that’s with a bamboo stick stuck through the bottom of the case so as to support the end of the card from sagging. I honestly don’t know how that card could separate that badly, but holy fuck am I glad I noticed it now (and thanks to thermal throttling because every card I had prior that failed did so by exploding) because it runs better than new.
The slip drive of "modern" battery driven cordless electric screwdrivers - the thing where you can turn an outer wheel to some number - is actually a newton meter torque dial, which as a thing has been around in the industry (manufacturing) for decades (60's or earlier) before it became "common place" in consumer ware. This is also where all these screw heads come from, Phillips screw heads versus simple slot and Torx versus Phillips, etc. Also you have might have noticed this little dent in one of the corners of a screw head - usually very prominent in Phillips screw heads - that actually is for the mechanized manufacturing, so the machine knows how many turns it did (and initial alignment, etc.). So, no; there is no excuse from a mechanized stand point to not properly fasten those screws. Actually it should be more accurate and repeatable than anything a human does on the home workbench.
Feels like Navi was rushed some as cooler should have been better design. Consumer shouldn’t have to fix there own mistake. While love zen 2 are better and Navi is better. AMD should fix them
Very cool fix! I'll try to keep an eye out for partner models later on because while performance is nice especially on the XT model, I am not a fan of the noise and heat of the card.
I can confirm this works with the 50th Anniversary card as well, 30 minutes in Heaven benchmark and max Junction temp reached 109, but averaged 106, and the temp averaged 85, while maxing at 86. Also clock speed averaged 1900Mhz without modifying any settings during the run.
Easiest solution: just buy the Arctic Accelero Xtreme III or Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV Rev.2 (ca. 50 $ / €) ... No disturbing noises and far better temperatures are the result!
The GPU silicon is fine. The whole design around it is atrocious. 95 degrees and thermal shutdown on a menu (per Anthony of LTT). Not to mention the objectively ugly "shipment accident" aesthetic.
They say it is as much an airflow thing as a marketing one. But I'm guessing it's mostly marketing, as it looks different, and the shroud wouldn't have to follow the internals
40db measured at an arbitrary 20" and on an open test bench. So install in a case and leave the cover on and you will barley hear the card whoosh, run the latest drivers for the fan curve and of course run games and not Torture Tests so temps will be normal and no throttling will be observed.
Could yall do a video adding a custom triple fan cooler and checking the different in thermals!?!?! The fan kit is called "ARCTIC Accelero Xtreme IV High-End Graphics Card Cooler"
That's only the case with Nvidia cards with GPU boost (basically it scales your clock speed to your temps) with AMD cards you are fine as long as you aren't throttling (although running at 100% fan speed can help you achieve higher overclocks with the increased cooling)
@@sadgardevoir3734 wrong, nvidia uses power and temps. putting a nvidia card to 100% fan speed will do NOTHING for performance, because they are already below throttling temp. simply by changing powerlimits you can archieve +10% perf without doing anything else. navi cards throttle on several parameters not just temp.
Honestly if you guys released a screwdriver kit similar to ifixit's i would immediately buy one. I feel like the full sized screwdrivers in your current kit currently limits the usability for general teardown usage (e.g. security torx bits/t5 and whatnot). If anything with interchangeable bits were released I'd be first in line. Love you guys though❤
AMAZING :-0 didnt one of those metal washers seem to be touching a contact on pcb? Wouldnt it help to put washers on rest of backplate to to benefit memory and mosfets?
Vincent Carrière Hi, I should have fully explained my thinking. Since empty solder pads are connected through their traces to a circuit, think about what may happen if the circuit from the empty pad were to be cross connected with the circuit of the SMD under the washer.
You can compare thermal diffusivity which control the rate of diffusion in the material. Reality is that when it comes to thermals, measuring conductivity alone isn't enough because there's an equally important property which is volumetric heat capacity. You want a thinner pad/paste to reduce the heat capacity interference from the interface, in general. You may want to read about dual needle thermal property testing compared to heating plate/cooling plate testing, if you see this anyway.
Washers under heatsink legs is a laptop thing, which are usually low pressure mounting from pressure coming only from tensioned arms, worse when it's tripod mounts and multi-die one-piece heatsinks. I'm also thinking the process of heating vapour chambers (soldering heatpipes etc to them) increasing their internal pressure, and their thin walls, makes for a bulging effect that requires lapping the mated surfaces afterwards to get them back to flat.
@@GamersNexus can confirm. Have a full tube of Corsair thermal paste. They sell it at the local best buy and is actually pretty good. Got lower temps using it when I replaced my noctua paste after 4ish years so I figured id keep a spare on hand.
How is it even possible to have these thermal issues which can be improved so much by just using washers in the first place? Doesn't AMD test their coolers at all? Why use Blower Coolers? I know that they have their uses in cramped/small Cases, since they blow out the hot air directly outside, but come on that is so niche. The vast majority of Gamers don't use super small ITX Cases.
You know all those fancy bling cases with the tempered glass fronts and sides? Yeah those have worse airflow than most ITX cases.. they are for those too.
@@bdhale34 I have a friend who shall remain nameless. Lets call him Mybrother. Mybrother had a case very similar to the one you describe and did NOT have a blower-style card. It baked its self to death. Sample size of one, I know, but he would have likely had better performance with a blower card that didn't suck on its own heat. The story has a happy ending though: I convinced him to pull the front panel off the case and his temps dropped massively.
Basically, if you're comfortable risking voiding your warranty AND destroying your $400 graphics card, go for it. Experienced people will have a lower risk, but that's what you're risking. As far as the washers go, if you can't get washers thinner than 1mm, get 1mm washers and sand them down a bit.
10mm? Holy hell i think he said 1 mm man. I could be wrong but i believe he said 1mm and 0.7mm. 10mm is like a quarter of an inch that is absolutely massive and would wreck your card for sure
I hope they take this idea and implement it on newly manufactured cards. One great thing about GN is that you guys give free R&D without the fear of being fired.
Watch our original tear-down of the 5700 XT here: czcams.com/video/BpctR5TFJjk/video.html
And our review here: czcams.com/video/-SAWtKEIYbw/video.html
And find the GN toolkit here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit
unrelated to the cooling issue, but why does the 5700 card even exist. The 5700xt is only fifty bucks more and competes with the 2070. Why not just save up that little bit more and buy the xt?
czcams.com/video/2hIOW6qRbKM/video.html
Can you look into this "pad", it's supposedly a polymer gel? that sets into a firmness that resembles a pad.
Hey Steve, would you mind doing an aftermarket cooler like the accelero xtreme iv or raijintek morpheus ii. The idea being to test the raw performance of the 2070 super versus 5700xt when the cooler isn't a factor. Waterblock would also work, of course, so just whatever is simplest or on hand.
Get some fucking sleep
Next up, throw a old GPU cooler on it.
Pretty cool that the pressure pattern is a GN logo. AMD helping advertise!
It actually does look like the GN logo.. I wonder if AMD did the same with other review outlets?
Ultimate pandering
Quite the coincidence. A poet might say that GN is what the GPU is really missing.
This is probably why I should look at top few comments before posting. I saw the same thing.
@@GrimmsDeath - The amount of times I've commented thinking I'm witty or observant and then I read a dozen identical comments? is humbling ;)
You could say that AMD are now facing "mounting pressure" to fix their thermal solution.
* slap *
b'dum
@@oldtimergaming9514 You know inside it made you happy :-)
That was so bad it was good.
You might say that AMD's cooler really blows.
Take away: AMD needs to hire somebody else to design their coolers.
Nah, they just need to slap the guy who had the idea to use a thermal pad across the back of the head. The cooler itself obviously works just fine.
Reference cards are only good for water blocks. (Except for fan models, like NVidia went with.) Those blowers just don't work well.. even with good mounting for the heatsink.
@@qzcc5550
Well I consider that part of the cooler package, but point taken. There may be better cooler designs, but going with a thermal pad over a good paste is probably the big core issue.
Seriously. GN has better folks? Seems like rushed product.
It's not a badly engineered cooler. Using the pad allows for larger tolerances driving cost down.
@4:50 you guys made your logo with the pressure test :O
Great scott! You are right
So whenever Lisa goes on about “secret sauce” she actually mean they etch the GN logo into each die to appease our lord and saviour.
lmfao I was thinking the same thing. Lol.
I found that adding thicker rubber pads on bracket in the area that pushes down on the back of the PCB was much more effective than the washer method at increasing the mounting pressure between the die and the cold plate. You also wont be able to see the mod after the fact. I used thick foam double sided tape, and added layers until i got the optimum contact pressure; used that contact paper idea you guys introduced. I used this method on my Radeon VII, the Washer method is rather sketchy in my book, and looks it to.
Good idea! That would be an interesting approach as well. It brings the pressure in closer to the die.
@@GamersNexus The pressure from the rubber fatigues over time I have seen hacks like that before on say.. trains.. But there is springs for compact installations you can look at. Lesjofors got some neat ones.
off topic but back in the red ring of death days for the x360 after you baked the chip that came desoldered I would use plastic thin washers under the mounting hardware as well as flex the bracket a bit to get much better mounting pressure. This worked out pretty good and I did a lot of 360's this way and all worked fine for a very long time after except one of them which had gotten another problem not related to the red ring of death.
Because these were pretty much classified as dead there was little risk of breaking anything because it was already non functional.
@@Rocky-bz8wr thank u for this! Intresting
@@GamersNexus You guys might want to try that method too. Also after that some lapping if you dont mind :)
On the paste reccomendations you've made. I think TG kryonaut ''breaks'', after 80C so It would be a good choice for this card. Know that from Vega 56, Vega 64 owners.
Dr. Lisa Su: I want good thermals on Navi.
AMD Engineer: The technology actually doesn't exist.
Dr. Lisa Su: STEPHEN BURKE WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
AMD Engineer: I'm sorry. I'm not Stephen Burke.
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Well played
Ok, I've done this mod also like another chap in the comments. I used thermal grisly kryonaut, 1mm thick silicone thermal pads and some plastic washers. With the washers, I made sure the hole was big enough for the small post that pokes through the pcb to fit within, and also kept the springs on.
So order is screw, bracket, washer, spring. The spring also fits inside the washer.
I also put 4 1mm thick strips of plasticard under the four rubber feet around the center of the mounting bracket (1 strip on each rubber foot), to increase the pressure at the center.
Then did an auto undervolt in wattman and now I site at 2020mhz over prolonged furmark 1080p runs, getting to a junction temp of about 86 after saturation. Clock may dip a bit on saturation, but still above 1900.
AMD: We invested millions in bringing you these new cards
GN: we spent bout 4 cents and made it better :p
Doesnt that pressure test paper look like the GN logo??
Yeah go ahead and put all that added pressure on the edges and see what happens to your gpu long term. great fix
@@vyor8837 it is hot as fuck. Waiting for 3rd party.
Yes, it looks like GN's logo
Dumd Amd wasting opportunity again , should have made 2fan design and GPUs could have clocked higher and match rtx2070super performance for less money.
3:26 - You NEED to use PLASTIC washers. You can see in the closeup shot at this time index that the metal washer is touching some resistors on the back side of the card. This could lead to a short and failure once the coating wears off.
maddogfarg0 This comment should be pinned.
The pressure will easily crush the smd caps and resistor. You need to be careful with the pressure.
I used metal washers and there is no problem for now. But my washers were not as big as the ones in this video actually they had the perfect size and fit perfectly under the metal thing
came to say thats the first thing i noticed not sure how this isnt pinned
I used washers on the heatsink assembly for laptops through the years,because the springs were a terrible rate. I thought I was alone in my thinking and method,but now I realize I'm not alone.
When I used to do reflow repairs of GPUs I found that using a copper shim with good quality thermal paste like arctic silver worked best.
The trick is to test fit different thickness copper shims and to have some resistance to moving, when the heatsink is reassembled take a pick or small screwdriver and try to move the shim. You want enough resistance that the shim will move when pressure is applied.
After finding the right ship apply the thermal paste and it’s good to go. You don’t want a ton of pressure on the GPU die as pushing the chip down too much will cause damage.
Done correctly the shim has enough room to move around from thermal expansion and provides better cooling. You can find a copper shim assortment on eBay and they are cheap.
On average I would get at least a 15c - 20c degree decrease in temperature.
Tip: you can create washers of any thickness by slicing plastic tubes, you just need a tube of the diameter you want.
I've done it for home fixes.
Is that a GN logo on the contact paper with the washers at 3m?
screw "Founder's Edition" cards, give me a GN Edition instead.
Did anybody actually see HOW he applied the paste/washers/pads? Lotsa talk and graphs, but the basic visual info seems to be lacking. ;)
seriously. I have been scouring the web and NO body gives visual of how its done.
I really dont know in the end which is better and how its done, im not native english and this is the 3rd time watching this vid.
if you need that info so much, just Google any other cooler mounting instruction with cross plate on the back and add to that some washers between gpu board and cross plate that's it... so basic, ofc he wouldn't waste his time and resource on rendering another minutes of video, it's a basic routine. Tons of tutorials how to apply all that over internet. don't be lazy, or if you are too afraid to do it, just let someone experienced do It fo u
For anyone interested, the paper is called Fuji Impression paper. It's cheap to buy, but it costs around $50 to analyze a single piece unless you buy their scanner which costs $10k. The more red does mean better contact, but it doesn't mean Forces are evenly distributed. The Red color needs to be scanned and measured in pixels to understand its pigment and its saturation, then you can call it good or bad pressure(force) distribution.
Everyone: The RX 5700 XT is a jet engine
Tech Jesus: Hold my Washers!
it's not like it's cool and quiet after the "fix"
So maybe wait for third party cards that may have better cooling and are quieter.
@Stasss if you don't mind the 10 extra decibel, then save the cash I guess.
I always get third party cards no matter what. I like my GPUs with lower temps.
When they will come do you think ?
mid august
@@joeallan3706 and for extra min 50 dollars its even more in my country so ı will buy blower but ı dont think it will be a problem for me ı play max 1 or 1.5 hours and rest for another 30 min
Those HM03 pads are good, but not for high density, high TDP parts. AMD should focus on increasing the mounting pressure of their coolers and start using high conductivity thermal pastes instead. Preferably a trilinear ceramic based compound to reduce the effects of ageing.
That looks like $0.0400001 of thermal paste. Unsubbed.
@@nick-zc9xv so THAT'S what you meant , thanks for clearing that up
I would like to see a arctic accelero extreme iv on this. Be careful with metal washers, you can short out components on top of the card.
Checkt out pcgh.de. It's PC Games Hardware, a German magazine. Am on a mobile connection so can't include the link, but they had a video yesterday. Still interesting even when you don't understand him talking. Considering you can take these coolers from gen to gen and always go for the reference card it's very compelling.
So... Yeah... 16:11 I see Buildzoid's catchphrase is very contagious 😃😃😃
Yeah these cards weren't rushed out the gate at all were they, lol. Great vid, definitely wanna see what this card does on water cooling.
@UCH2l_lS7uiIF5Vffbq0cnFQ TBF the video title allows you to deduce the findings of the video. Stuff like this happens because companies rush products to market. If there is another explanation you think is likely then do share.
to be fair ,'hand built' is always going to have better results than a machine line though isnt it
@@tonybarden8563 True. But let's also consider that AMD's thermal solutions for their GPUs are notoriously garbage. To compete they have to take it seriously. It's not good enough to produce a product that competes on price and perf but then falls flat on its face because it's noisy and hot.
@@downwiththatsortofthing624 You missed out your part; triggered keyboard warrior. A perfect trifecta! Not entirely sure what you're standing up for though. Now that we've all had time to watch the video (which I have done - you'll find soothing to hear) do you propose we alter our hideously premature conclusions?
@@stephenwakeman3074 well the blower is a 'fit-all' solution ,but then you do have to ask at this sort of price ,most buyers are actually pc clued up with decent case venting etc ,so a blower for the masses may not be a good idea ,but hey how on earth would a pc part company know there market is for a gamer ....lol
i wasnt defending the blower at all mate ,just pointing out the business/automation process would be less good at doing the ideal job as a tech channel by hand
Thanks for the video. I applied this mod using nylon #4 size washers and my 5700 XT is now running around 78c with the fan at 2100 rpm. The card maintains about 1900MHz. Again thanks for the affordable mod for cooler temps and little to no throttling. :)
Ok, first of all I have been PC gaming and building rigs for 20 years but I have never took apart a graphics card before. I was nervous to do it but I got the plastic washers, some Kryonaut and some thermal pads (for the back plate) and did it. Now, even with the stock fan curve it is not going above 79C on unigine benchmark/stress test. Thanks so much for making this video and the tear down one, it was a big help.
If you dont mind me asking. what size thermal pads did you use on for the back plate?
Hey dude, Steve, always been a great fan, please do a Noctua U12 A review. You are probably the only one whose review I would think of as the final.
Yeesh, such a fix would cost 0.20$ Canadian... Talk about getting boned by the exchange rate
Try being in australia..
0.20c for the washers, plus import tax, plus customs tax, plus wholesaler markup, plus retailer markup, plus GST, grand total of $89.72USD, plus exchange rate conversion is a grand total of $146.56AUD
@@SuperRandykid Or go looking at Bunnings and find packs of 20 for $15 in every size but the one that will fit.
@@SuperRandykid Math checks out
Dude, the pattern on your shirt matches the pattern of pressure paper! Mind-blowing!!!
Arent you running the risk of shorting the SMDs ( 3:31 ) with a metal washer???
Only if it makes conductive contact with two or more points.
@@Megalomaniakaal
Which it clearly can ... Bottom left washer as shown.
Rubber or plastic washers are highly recommended.
Consider it a "shunt mod" :D
Yeah, don't do this. Must use plastic, or those old school red paper washers under metal. Another problem is metal can penetrate the PCB coating and contact the copper traces.
@@user-dj1hy6zc6q Absolutely.
i still look forward to a hybrid mod. fingers crossed thats still coming to see how much headroom the card has
EK already has a proper waterblock on offer, no reason not to use that instead.
i dunno, JUST the waterblock is $140 USD, but a kraken g12 and a h105(240mm) is $160. of course thats assuming the g12 will fit with the 5700xt
@@SSJChar the kraken wouldn't cool the VRAM or the VRMs properly.
ID-Cooling FROSTFLOW
I understood the use of the pad in Radeon 7,as it was a big die with 4 HBM stacks, but I don't think this could be a problem for the radeon 5700 when the die is a lot smaller, unless the heatsink has really really bad tolerances.
Miguel Águeda heat is heat I guess 🤷🏾♂️
@@hantzleyaudate7697 And so? Any partner card uses thermal paste, this was done on r7 cause the cooler was uneven, smaller die means smaller cooler contact so it should be less of a problem.
i think they started using it with r7, then seeing some sort of production side efficiency of using pads vs. paste they decided to use it for all cards. the only way i can see them doing it with negative thermal consequences is if it is saving them money somehow.
eh, just borrow Der8auer's balls for a couple of hours and lap the die flat...
I hope the right AMD people are watching this and manage to get these improvements into their Radeon cards. The washers won't be a huge added cost/effort and the positive consumer feedback (especially regarding to temp issues) will be worth it.
Great content!! I love your videos, seeing the amount of tests you run and the amount of data you show always brings me back
Nice fix! Waiting for Navi 3rd party cards that are not butt ugly like the AMD ref cards are...phew!!
do you call that brushed aluminium shroud ugly? shame on you!
@@JensTX that blower fan blows
Ugly? Dafuq you on about... they look fine but performance wise are crap
@@Lionheart1188 depends on what you are using it for
@@Lionheart1188 They "look fine" to u, cuz yer Mama is also butt ugly.
kryonaut is a great paste. i put it in my rx470 because the stock paste was useless after 3 years and temps dropped by 20C
Steve on solid front panels: "Fortunately, you NEVER see those."
Phanteks: *palms are sweaty*
Also the grille in the back mounting bracket restricts airflow causing the fan to run in a semi stalled state.
Lay the case on its side so you can run the card with the plate removed as a test.
You will see lower temperatures and reduced noise.
Modding the back mounting bracket with saw and file's, to maximise the opening size is pretty easy.
I have done this without the backplate and it does helps.
The spring effect of the bracket can be increased if you bend all 4 legs with 2 pliers. So it needs much more force to push it down and you also avoid bending the pcb this way.
really makes you wonder why AMD didn't just do this themselves, it would have made the card review far better...
the answer is reliability
Gotta save those pennies to please the shareholders. Corporations are poison.
Thermal pads don't need to be replaced. Thermal paste will need to be replaced
40db measured at an arbitrary 20" and on an open test bench. So install in a case and leave the cover on and you will barley hear the card whoosh, run the latest drivers for the fan curve and of course run games and not Torture Tests so temps will be normal and no throttling will be observed.
I'm pretty sure the thermal pads are actually a lot more expensive.
for everyone complaining about AMDs design, consider that they can't just add 1mm washers to all cards in production.
The amount of spring force will depend on the thickness tolerances/variances of the washers, the gpu die, bend angle of the spring etc.. maybe a total of +-1mm of total tolerances.
The spring is designed to not add too much pressure at the max, and "enough" at the minimum. Increasing the spring stroke may get you into a pressure that the VC is not designed for. But this is not a problem when you check with pressure paper and adjust the washer thickness accordingly. Which would add alot on the pricetag in mass production.
Steves comment at the end hits the nail on the head.
Those washers look dodgy and touching some of the SMDs on the back of the PCB
Just goes to show how much better partner cards with better coolers will be. I'd just wait for those cards to come out for the RX 5700 XT.
Partner cards are months away and will be like 30$ more expensive at minimum.
@@TheTomtah "months" away? Partner cards will arrive mid august!
@@TheTomtah Next month.
The older R9 coolers fit on the 5700/5700xt because the smaller DIY now,you should try that.
That's a weird suggestion IMO: Radeon R9 Die Size is 438 mm2/359 mm2/212 mm2 and Vega's 255mm2
@@thenetpagan yeah but mounting and spacing is the same again and the GPU generally sits in the same spot on the PCB on every reference full length card.
@@thenetpagan Go watch the video Of TimmyJoe and you'll see what I'm talking about
there is one more concern with the metal washer. its that if it was not installed correctly, it could cause a short circuit, or even when it is being installed corrected, if something went wrong like the washer scratched the surface of the PCB and exposing data lines and causing a short circuit, the damage could be lethal to the card. to me, plaster is a much safer choice and more reasonable choice.
Just acquired a 5700 XT. Thank you for saving my sanity.
Could you kindly try sanding the GPU. Then try. Maybe things will be better. My order is on hold for the time being. If okay, then will purchase.
The GPU? You sand the cooler, not the GPU.
Thank you for this video. My 5700XT arrived today and had be contemplating returning ever since it shipped. This video puts my mind at ease.
P.S. I am one of those idiots that loves the design of this cooler.
I think it looks quite nice as well tbh.
Good shit! Hopefully we'll see something like this in the next batches forward
@3:33 looks like the washer on the left is over the top of those 0402 resistors. Small surface mount components like that are susceptible to cracking and fracturing which alters their properties or causes them to go open circuit completely. It's probably a better idea to find a smaller diameter washer or a small length of tube.
Arctic Cooling confirms cooler compatibility with AMD's Radeon RX 5700 .Source OC3d
Some of the ugliest coolers on the planet. Those fans are Ghetto.
@Pohemi Inatica To be perfectly honest if you care about anything other than performance and value in your build you aren't an enthusiast.
@@bdhale34 Yup, obsessing over RGB everywhere and "aesthetic" makes you a ricer, not an enthusiast.
I would like a walkthrough or a video showing just exactly how to do this
So I bios flashed my 5700 reference card to the XT bios as soon as I got the card, went from 78°C max temp in Modern Warfare at max settings @ 1080p, up to roughly 86°C after the flash. Today I applied thermal paste, lightly sanded the contact plate on the vapor chamber with 2,000 grit paper, and made my own washers with a guitar pick and a drill, and I'm back down to an average max of 80°C. But I went from average 100fps in-game to capping at 144fps. Overall pretty worthwhile, but I will be getting a waterblock for it soon
This literally brought my junction down 23+C. Thank you!
(MSI Evoke OC 5700, red bios mod to 2016mhz core clock and 1800 memory clock with voltage curve correction; thermalright 12.8w/mK pads with kryonaut paste running 63 current and 78-79 junction, down from 100-102 junction)
what plastic washer did you use?
@@goofball1_134 Yo, I went to Lowe's hardware and bought a pack of tiny gold metal washers. Idk what size, but basically the smallest they had. I used them for all 6 screws on the back of my GPU
@@Dad_K interesting, thanks
Nobody:
RX 5700 XT: IM HOTTER
I hope they watch this & "fix" their Future Made models of this card themselves before rushing to launch next time
Or at least released a fancy edition with better cooler and RGB. I'm all about that RGB right now. I like falling asleep to a laser light show.
You should sell this a kit on your website - it took a lot of tech savvy people to make a good product but it takes a tech genius to take that good product and make it great.
I actually did this mod today on my 5700XT. It's been a blessing. I used the .7mm metal washers and my temps dropped 6 degrees no problem
Hi Josh.What`s the washer size? m3?
Ádám Bartha I think it was metric size 2. That might be .5 but was also on the recommendation from GN
Blows my mind, you can engineer a graphics card with billions of transistors. Can't make a decent cooler.
This cooler blows.
Can you please compare Radeon image sharpening + anti lag vs dlss for best performance and visual fidelity.
That's like comparing unsharp mask to waifu2x.
Wouldn't make any sense since those are not meant to adress the same problem !
Hard to compare visuals that Nvidia doesn't draw in-order to gain fps (Forza screenshots).
@Alex Davies I've seen other channels test 1440p + ris vs true 4k and say the quality was very similar. So even though they can have different uses you would test bfV / ffxv / whatever else has dlss with both features (1440p ris vs "4k" dlss vs true 4k on both) with 5700xt and rtx 2070 super. This could show if either could do a "4k like" experience at high frames without spending 2080ti bucks.
It's no different than an upscaler on your tv. X Y Tap scale with bilinear or trilinear (depending on noise function) and then apply a sharp filter matrix to harden edges. It can be processed as the buffer flip is called.
Really liked the detailed breakdown for this and the improvement you made. I'll be holding off for AIB cards, but will pick up possibly a Gigabyte or Strix 5700XT to see thermals and noise level improved
I date back to a time where if a GPU even had a fan it was a single 80x80 glued to the board and if if failed it was time for an upgrade anyway. I say that to buy some sympathy when I admit that I never knew about much less checked on these issues with ny 5700 XT from early 2020.
It was at least amusing given their was a happy ending. Between the shit VRAM mounting to the pads and the passage of time, if one were to try to the “penny” trick, they’d have needed to stand said pennies on their side to bridge the gap between the VRAM and the thermal pads. I couldn’t confirm what version I had and scree types seemed to vary randomly anyway, so I went my own way and just used one less washer than it took before any given screw could not reach the threads, which was often less than videos like this recommend (making me assume I have a refresh model with shorter screws) and yet I covered a near half inch gap, and that’s with a bamboo stick stuck through the bottom of the case so as to support the end of the card from sagging. I honestly don’t know how that card could separate that badly, but holy fuck am I glad I noticed it now (and thanks to thermal throttling because every card I had prior that failed did so by exploding) because it runs better than new.
Partner cards will fix all this for me to buy in august
When in august though? Im thinking of buying a 5700 aug 1st, i dont want to wait -_-
@@thefilmdirector1 Yeah I get a big payment in 1st august so mid august i'll buy. Rx480 can hold out still
Its great how a billion dollar company causes problems that a few dudes can fix with gumballs.
The slip drive of "modern" battery driven cordless electric screwdrivers - the thing where you can turn an outer wheel to some number - is actually a newton meter torque dial, which as a thing has been around in the industry (manufacturing) for decades (60's or earlier) before it became "common place" in consumer ware. This is also where all these screw heads come from, Phillips screw heads versus simple slot and Torx versus Phillips, etc.
Also you have might have noticed this little dent in one of the corners of a screw head - usually very prominent in Phillips screw heads - that actually is for the mechanized manufacturing, so the machine knows how many turns it did (and initial alignment, etc.).
So, no; there is no excuse from a mechanized stand point to not properly fasten those screws. Actually it should be more accurate and repeatable than anything a human does on the home workbench.
if you're curious about whether the die or the cooler is imperfect, what you need are gauge blocks to know for certain.
Feels like Navi was rushed some as cooler should have been better design. Consumer shouldn’t have to fix there own mistake. While love zen 2 are better and Navi is better. AMD should fix them
Makes people buy after market amd always have bad gpu colors recently anyway
People: "I stopped watching GN because they don't give AMD cards a fair shake."
This video: exists.
@@vyor8837 I can only think of three outlets that do.
Very cool fix! I'll try to keep an eye out for partner models later on because while performance is nice especially on the XT model, I am not a fan of the noise and heat of the card.
I can confirm this works with the 50th Anniversary card as well, 30 minutes in Heaven benchmark and max Junction temp reached 109, but averaged 106, and the temp averaged 85, while maxing at 86. Also clock speed averaged 1900Mhz without modifying any settings during the run.
Easiest solution: just buy the Arctic Accelero Xtreme III or Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV Rev.2 (ca. 50 $ / €) ... No disturbing noises and far better temperatures are the result!
The GPU silicon is fine. The whole design around it is atrocious. 95 degrees and thermal shutdown on a menu (per Anthony of LTT). Not to mention the objectively ugly "shipment accident" aesthetic.
It had a SUPER accident. 😂
They say it is as much an airflow thing as a marketing one. But I'm guessing it's mostly marketing, as it looks different, and the shroud wouldn't have to follow the internals
40db measured at an arbitrary 20" and on an open test bench. So install in a case and leave the cover on and you will barley hear the card whoosh, run the latest drivers for the fan curve and of course run games and not Torture Tests so temps will be normal and no throttling will be observed.
@@Viewer19 still does not excuse the simple flaw
Big AMD fan and can only hope they are watching and paying attention.
works great 160 score with wattman run 2130 mhz no fan noise at all i would use conductonaut the best thermal paste
Could yall do a video adding a custom triple fan cooler and checking the different in thermals!?!?! The fan kit is called "ARCTIC Accelero Xtreme IV High-End Graphics Card Cooler"
better temps = higher boost at 100%fan spd????
That's only the case with Nvidia cards with GPU boost (basically it scales your clock speed to your temps) with AMD cards you are fine as long as you aren't throttling (although running at 100% fan speed can help you achieve higher overclocks with the increased cooling)
@@sadgardevoir3734 wrong, nvidia uses power and temps. putting a nvidia card to 100% fan speed will do NOTHING for performance, because they are already below throttling temp. simply by changing powerlimits you can archieve +10% perf without doing anything else. navi cards throttle on several parameters not just temp.
Honestly if you guys released a screwdriver kit similar to ifixit's i would immediately buy one. I feel like the full sized screwdrivers in your current kit currently limits the usability for general teardown usage (e.g. security torx bits/t5 and whatnot). If anything with interchangeable bits were released I'd be first in line. Love you guys though❤
Thank you for adding in error bars and talking about margin of error.
Just one question - how is possible that card leaves AMD like that? Like Steve solves problem that AMD should right? Like wtf
sorry tech jesus..i changed my mind im gonna be waiting until early 2020 for the STRIX 5950xt card instead
same card. i like it anyway. how much you buy it for?
@@billygray8863 it was like 200 something when i got my 480 card YEARS ago..
I did this on my card literally last night! I can verify the results here, makes a huge difference!
Does it void warranty though?
AMAZING :-0
didnt one of those metal washers seem to be touching a contact on pcb?
Wouldnt it help to put washers on rest of backplate to to benefit memory and mosfets?
Wonder what they would be like with a RAIJINTEK MORPHEUS air cooler and how much improvement.
Random critic: "If you think you can do it better, why don't you do it yourself?"
Steve: "Ok"
That Charmander flower pot is so cute!
Sooooooo, I could do the same washer add on to my RX5700 (non XT) and improve the mount as well in theory?
yes of course
The metal washer being on top of those smallest capacitor/resistor at 3:37 made me cringe...
Look at the unused solder pad on the other side of the washer too. :-/
@@wargamingrefugee9065 smooth empty pads are normal unpopulated. What would have been bad is seeing half a resistor
Vincent Carrière Hi, I should have fully explained my thinking. Since empty solder pads are connected through their traces to a circuit, think about what may happen if the circuit from the empty pad were to be cross connected with the circuit of the SMD under the washer.
You can compare thermal diffusivity which control the rate of diffusion in the material. Reality is that when it comes to thermals, measuring conductivity alone isn't enough because there's an equally important property which is volumetric heat capacity. You want a thinner pad/paste to reduce the heat capacity interference from the interface, in general.
You may want to read about dual needle thermal property testing compared to heating plate/cooling plate testing, if you see this anyway.
Washers under heatsink legs is a laptop thing, which are usually low pressure mounting from pressure coming only from tensioned arms, worse when it's tripod mounts and multi-die one-piece heatsinks.
I'm also thinking the process of heating vapour chambers (soldering heatpipes etc to them) increasing their internal pressure, and their thin walls, makes for a bulging effect that requires lapping the mated surfaces afterwards to get them back to flat.
4 cents for a thermal paste? Steve, this isn't 1958.
4 cents for washers. Lots of people have paste already!
Wait it ain't 1958.
What *beats wife*
Do you *smokes 3 packs of cigarettes*
Mean *sprays DDT*
It's not 1958?
@@GamersNexus can confirm. Have a full tube of Corsair thermal paste. They sell it at the local best buy and is actually pretty good. Got lower temps using it when I replaced my noctua paste after 4ish years so I figured id keep a spare on hand.
@jonny j are you implying I don't have a time machine or enjoy the classic music of the super decade?
SO this is fine, but intels not soldering it's CPUs is a major sin.
NICE.
Quetzalcoalt ryzen is better
Who else is just ready to see the GN hybrid build for this card? I love those videos!
Nice work as always GN crew, someone at AMD should take notice of these reviews, teardowns, and mods and adjust accordingly!
Is it worth it to void the warranty for 2°C? lol?
You'll get higher clocks to go with your lower temps.^^
How is it even possible to have these thermal issues which can be improved so much by just using washers in the first place? Doesn't AMD test their coolers at all?
Why use Blower Coolers? I know that they have their uses in cramped/small Cases, since they blow out the hot air directly outside, but come on that is so niche. The vast majority of Gamers don't use super small ITX Cases.
Honest answer? Blowers are notably cheaper in terms of both parts and manufacturing complexity.
You know all those fancy bling cases with the tempered glass fronts and sides? Yeah those have worse airflow than most ITX cases.. they are for those too.
@@bdhale34 I have a friend who shall remain nameless. Lets call him Mybrother. Mybrother had a case very similar to the one you describe and did NOT have a blower-style card. It baked its self to death. Sample size of one, I know, but he would have likely had better performance with a blower card that didn't suck on its own heat. The story has a happy ending though: I convinced him to pull the front panel off the case and his temps dropped massively.
@@sadlerbw9 My case doesn't even have super bad airflow but I still have the side off it because I like even lower temps.
Basically, if you're comfortable risking voiding your warranty AND destroying your $400 graphics card, go for it. Experienced people will have a lower risk, but that's what you're risking.
As far as the washers go, if you can't get washers thinner than 1mm, get 1mm washers and sand them down a bit.
Maybe sand a few 10mm washers down to 7mm? Just lap them on a piece of sandpaper a few times.
10mm? Holy hell i think he said 1 mm man. I could be wrong but i believe he said 1mm and 0.7mm. 10mm is like a quarter of an inch that is absolutely massive and would wreck your card for sure
TACO SAUCE
Funny Intel uses thermal paste because it lasts longer, but Radeon doesn't use a paste because it doesn't last as long. LOL
Intel's paste is in a sealed environment under the IHS. The paste dries out when exposed to air over long periods, like it is when used on a GPU.
Right around now you see mass failure of the thermal paste between the die and the heatspreader in the Haswell processors!
What happened... A video that isn't 30+ minutes long... WHAT THE...
Keep up the great work G N team
I hope they take this idea and implement it on newly manufactured cards. One great thing about GN is that you guys give free R&D without the fear of being fired.