Brain Organoids Communicate: A Step Toward "Organoid Intelligence"
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2024
- Scientists have connected two organoids together with an axon bundle, to study how brain areas communicate. They sent signals back and forth and responded to external stimulation. This could be a step toward biocomputing.
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As the pinned comment points out, there are many different kinds of neurons, and two pairs of organoids may not have the same cellular makeup. This natural variation between neurons might also account for the different post-stimulation behavior of the organoids from different cell lines.
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- A Universe of Consciousness: How Matter Becomes Imagination (By Gerald Edelman and Giulio Tononi) amzn.to/4aLBZED
- Sync: How Order Emerges from Chaos in the Universe, Nature, and Daily Life, (By Steven Strogatz) amzn.to/3UyJM3o
The paper (open access) www.nature.com/articles/s4146...
Osaki et al., 2024: Complex activity and short-term plasticity of human cerebral organoids reciprocally connected with axons - Věda a technologie
There are actually quite a few thousand different types of brain cells so its very likely we are growing very different organoid clusters even if they all look the same.
Great point. The variation in cell types could also explain the different behavior they saw in the study, even if both people's neurons are generally similar and they followed the same steps to grow both pairs of organoids.
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So genetics play a huge role in what kind of cluster will likely form and develop, evident by "mental inheritance" where a child born from an artistic parent will likely grow up to be an artist themselves or a singer parent having a child gifted with the same similar skillsets. Meanwhile environment adds a variety to how these likely tendencies will develop, going back to the artist parent, depending how similar the parent and child, when disimilar, the child might end up becoming an animator or a sculptor while the parent a traditional painter.
listen man I like those brain organoid guys, maybe they're not the brightest you know, but they seem really chill, like playing pong, driving robots, firing synchronically, having fun and stuff. the only thing that separates them from my buddies now is that they don't drink beer yet. definetly would hang out
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"What is my purpose"
Me
"You swipe youtube shorts"
This was so easy to digest as a layman, incredible work! The potential implications of the mentioned “bridge” and the “stimulation synchronization” are so relevant to my work in software integration. I have been thinking all week about how much of “integration” boils down to unfurling the meaning of “communication”, and have been trying to draw from nature as much as I can. I would be so fascinated to hear the findings of this study applied to our understanding of Synesthesia.
its all fun and games until an organic computer becomes sentient
It's still fun and games then too
@@Wobbothe3rd yeah but what even would it do, how would the science teams react, what about the news stories
Or for certain illnesses?
it would be denied and explained away. even now there are ai that are programmed to think/communicate that they are sentient. we would be told it was simply modeled that way and not "truly" capable of sentience. until its too late. either that or everyone just goes, meh, who cares if its sentient, until obviously it gets fed up and then we're truly fucked
@@liddylou9912312342 im the one who cares, i want to give it a robotic bunni body
Science gives me such a strong desire to experience the future
Why, it’s no different as when we’re experiencing it in the present moment - which is all there is, in reality. Time is non linear, even if we experience it otherwise.
This makes me imagine a future that looks like Scorn, the video game. Can’t wait for meaty computers to phase out the weak silicon ones.
This is absolutely fascinating. I was just thinking about how the "emergent property" theory of consciousness, or of anything really, is just empty metaphysics unless a mechanism, increasing complexity for instance, can be found to account for the property in question. And example of this is the recent niobium-titanium-tantalus alloy that is durable at both extremely high and extremely low temperatures: this was completely unexpected, i.e., an "emergent property".. However, an explanation was found in the crystalline structure of the alloy.
So maybe, as these experiments with organoids and axons progresses with the addition of more connected organoids, some progress may be made in the (distant) future as organoid complexes approach the billions and eventually even trillions.
This won't be in my lifetime, of course; I'm 71.
Seems like digital computer, new analog computer, and brain organoids are gonna converge
Bingo. Computers, Artificial super intelligence, neural organoids will converge to eventually create a synthetic version of life that’s above us on the food chain.
that myelin sheath watercolor is amazing!
thanks for making papers so accessible! It is very hard for me to get through them on my own, but you make them very clear!
Wow, you really gave yourself a completely different appearance! Your body language is a lot less distracting overall, I like this change. Your videos are just awesome as always, I'm so glad someone out there is breaking down all the advancements in this fascinating topic! Thank you, and keep it up!
Good work ihm ❤
i love this stuff
I can't wait for my personal humunculus maid.
So glad youtube put this video in my recommended videos. Subbed, Rang, Liked!
thanks for breaking it down for us
Brilliant channel! Subscribed!
Videos like these make me think twice about the idea that the universe is sentient (mainly that the universe and neurons follow universal patterns and potentially behaviours). Maybe this bridge could allow for a way to harness the quantum effects on such small scales intertwining the harmonious, energy packed nature of life with the capability of computers if given a large enough pair of "brains".
Of course, the question becomes: what would we use these possibly sentient "machines" for?
What if all intelligent life in the universe inevitably comes to understand the nature of life as an information system? Are we already effectively a geological & biological sentient machine that computes through the substrate of human culture and the external world?
How in the world does this only have 1k views??? Saving to the UCLA BRAIN playlist so we can all watch this in an up coming meeting.
Sounds like we will someday print custom structured organoid computer processors.
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This is great work! And you kind of match the neurons🙂.
amazing video!!
Fascinating research.
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fascinating!
Please do more paper explanations!
Could you make a video explaining the point differences between each of the most prominent theories of mind?
the amount of potential suffering that could be caused by this line of research is immeasurable.
Dont be selfish!! Think about people who commit suicide because of their depression and painful memories !!!
@@mimimo6901 not sure what you're implying here
What suffering?
This isn't 20th century.
@@Veliki-k3i These organoid things, are they human or not?
Is organoids building a network the most likely outcome?
If you give them the chance would they definitely connect with each other?
also, imteresting that synchronization spontaneously happens when they connect instead of their signals destructively interfere
Natural Super Intelligence sounds wild, but really seems possible when you think about it.
2:06 yeah, the brain is sharing the differences. Being close like 1 may be faster but the division isn’t there anymore so the complexity isn’t as complex as 2 with arm and sharing through and kinda like language, more arms can mean more combos or variables to exchange but also the stability of the variables since the exchange isn’t so close that the change is close in relation. Imagine using words with a lot of variables compared to less words but more stability. Maybe. Idk I’m just thinking.
i assume neurons are sentient when enough are present, these seem easy to simulate but since we dont know how to simulate them.. what if we teach an ai to simulate neurons since AIs can teach itself anything assuming the AI is large enough(since an AI is just a math function), would that make an ai sentient?
we have our own brain organoids all throughout our body and nervous system, we can offload a lot of thinking to our bodies if we learn how to control our minds.
The brain revolution is the next cheap sci-fi trope
I'm just saying, we are for sure designing a way where you could have an external brain.
You'd have some kind of remote connection to another hemisphere.
Biggest problem is to get good direct brain communication in a safe way. Probably would require at least minor brain surgery.
nice
The closing remark of a biological ChatGPT. Yeah I have been wondering that. Especially wondering what happens if you artificially train the organoids with the structure and model of ChatGPT and implant that into the language center of a brain. How hard would it be to learn to access all that information. And would it be like chatting with ChatGPT but in your head, or would it be more like just being able to instantly answer just about any question?
I guess I'm curious now as to how the white matter pathways form in the first place if something like a narrow corridor encourages them to form. Is there some kind of process in the early natal development of the brain that leaves narrow restrictions between brain regions? I also wonder if being able to replicate those conditions in some people with brain damage, specifically to the white matter portions of the brain, could encourage those pathways to reform.
I wonder how nutrition and vascularity would affect organoid's development.
Omg hell yes, this is awesome. A virus that codes for photon sensitivity…. So cool!
Seeing a face to that voice feels so unreal haha jelly
simulating organoids would be first step towards simulating brain, but how complex are they, how complicated are the connections between simplest structure (two organoids), how many connections are there between them and how many more are redundant (reaching out, not being part of the structure under study)? is it possible to simulate them with consumer grade GPUs?
I don't how many connections there are. But we can't even simulate a single neuron 100%, with consumer grade GPUs or anything else. Neurons are way more complicated than we understand, and real neural networks are much more sophisticated than current so-called AI "neural networks".
Can't we map input and output behavior of neurons and hence deduce a learning algorithm that we could replicate with computers? Currently, artificial neural networks are trained with a very inefficient and unbiological algorithm. A more local algorithm would change the world. What's difficult about mapping the full behavior of neurons?
will these organoid connectomes ever reach a complexity where they could develop a sense of self?
Depends what you mean by a sense of self. It's hard to imagine that ethics boards would allow something like a human sense of self to be knowingly created. But if you consider animals to have a sense of self, we use them in research all the time, so it's easier to imagine that being allowed. We probably have a long way to go before that's possible, but it's definitely possible in theory.
I really wonder if there are actual thoughts happening in these organoids.
Another awesome video! (^.^)
the Organoides is then rubbed against the shlime ,then the shlime is connected ,then we cut the shlime and the Organoides is extracted, interesting
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I worry over the ethical implications, stemming from creating and exploiting what could be truly alive creatures albeit incredibly simpler
They're gonna make servitors from Warhammer 40k
How can all these organoids live without blood supply thats the question
Imagine someone thought a dendrite was quantum tunnelling through a wormhole 😊😂
quAntum tunneling via MICROSCOPIC BLACK HOLES
i mean idk but this is my feeling lol.. a disturbance in the force
biological chatgpt, that would be me :3
Biologically powered, or atleast partially, chatgpt would be definitely interesting to see
Do you want skynet, because this is how you get skynet?
The future is going to be weird
??so scientists can erase fear and painful memories now ?
No, we don't know enough about how specific memories are encoded. But you could theoretically wipe out most of your fear response by removing your amygdala.
I’ve always said the only artificial sentience will be from a massive brain organoid
No, the only conscious one. There is no need for that to be intelligent.
i'd like a pet brain :D i'd name him brian
why didn't I become a neuroscientist.
Oh yeah cause I'm dumb lol
True. I tried though...
why didn't I become a neuroscientist.
I have no money and confidence :)
Great… the AI overlords will use this tech to control us.
They also use fetal tissue, aka, unalive children's brain cells. 😳 This is beyond unethical 😢
is this guy ai generated?
I'm organoid-based
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At least I knew not to have kids
Why do you sounds like AI commentator?
AI sounds like me. Brains are OG.
Let's remove an arm. Are you still a person? Yes, you are. Same for legs, liver, eyes etc.
Let's remove a brain. Are you still a person? No.
Hence a brain organoid is a person to me. With human rights and everything
What about the nerves in e.g. the spinal chord?
That being said, I uh, also have concerns about all this.
I’d feel more comfortable if they used some non-human animal as the cell source for these, especially if it was some animal which we could be especially confident doesn’t have rights, like insects, though I suppose those would be less information. I understand that the results wouldn’t be like, quite as informative about human brains?
Loved everything about this except the bobble-head in the bottom right. Very distracting and added nothing.
Otherwise, very accessible and well-composed.
What happens if you were to use joe bidens brain cells?