Tesla Model 3/Y Battery RANGE LOSS PROBLEM? | NEW DATA REVEALED!
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- You may have seen an article recently claiming that after only 3 years, Tesla Model 3 batteries degrade to under 65% of their EPA Range. However, the way it is being reported is very deceiving. In this video I discuss the truth about Tesla battery degradation and explain how the Jalopnik article is skewing the data.
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I've had my Model3 for almost 6 years and the range loss was 10%. Best car ever.
Shout it out loud
Your experience matches mine, but in a Nissan. It's probably typical
My '19 Model 3 has lost 4.4% of battery capacity. I mostly charge at home, but every year I supercharge for a 2k mile trip or two.
So awesome, you'll be broke the second warranty end, you literally won't be able to sell it, and you never saved any money lmfao. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Well give it another 2 years and your traction motor battery warranty will be expired. Then you'll be all on your own for 100% of the replacement cost which could wipe out all those savings.
I just completed a 1,247 mile road trip from Ohio to South Carolina and back in a 2019 LR RWD Model 3. Ideal EV conditions. Hot and dry, with no high winds. Generally drove 70 or 75 mph, 5 mph over the speed limit with AP engaged. I achieved 242 Wh/mi. For my car the EPA number is 234 Wh/mi. Considering I drove mostly 5 mph over the posted speed limit 242 Wh/mi is amazing efficiency. At 31,400 miles and 5 years I have about 7% degradation according to ScanMyTesla and I've Supercharged 38% of the time.
ALEGEDLY 5miles over speed limit
@@sparkysho-ze7nm Funny thing about driving long distances with Tesla Autopilot for almost 5 years now for tens of thousands of miles. I've rewired my brain and lost the need to speed. I let the car handle 98% of the drive. I simply sit there, monitor everything, talk with my wife, listen to music/podcasts. Amazing how much less fatiguing it is.
Thanks for sharing, I am torn between Ioniq 5 vs Tesla. I don’t like the ipad with wheels feeling and I recon that the electric network and the trip planner are the main feature I am considering in my buying decision.
@@sparkysho-ze7nm
@@expomm I've never once thought, or worried, will the Tesla chargers be online and working and will I have to wait? And it's never been an issue. Well, once I had to wait for 2 minutes in upstate NY for a charger to open. 8 out of 10 times I'm either the only person charging or perhaps another car or two come and go. There are still a good number of 2nd Gen Tesla stalls that max out at 150 kW. Those will never be available to CCS cars. Until the other manufacturers are able to charge on the Tesla network I would be hard pressed to buy anything but a Tesla if I'm going to road trip. What I don't like about the Tesla trip planner is the default setting to go the max distance between chargers for longer stretches. I tend to override the car and choose shorter hops. Max I want to be in the car is 90 minutes before stopping (YMMV).
The difference between:
1. Battery retention
2. EPA range
3. Actual range for each driver
is so obvious that I cannot reconcile a writer working for an AUTOMOTIVE publication who confused them.
Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
Thats the difference between regular dumb media and CZcams citizen journalism funded by citizens
Could there be a bias involved?
We seem to be flooded with negative stories lately. Thanks for dissecting this one, John.
Lots of reason for those stories:
FSD is years behind schedule
Robotaxi is years behind schedule
Tesla faces federal scrutiny
Optimus is a joke
Cybertruck is pretty much a fiasco
If the warranty is based on battery capacity, did Tesla ever disclose the capacity of their vehicles? From EPA range to warranty, they game the system.
They’re just trying to get rid of Elon from TESLA to level the playing field for the rest of the oems. All negative news lend to greater shareholder dissatisfaction with Elon, and likely to vote NO. If we don’t pay Elon for work already done over past 5 years, I wouldn’t expect him to stay on. Don’t fall for the FUD!!
Biden gave the green light to attack Musk from all angles.
Gotta keep th big picture in mind th deeply entringed heavily subsidized are not goin down w out a fight ALL PART OF IT
I had my first Tesla for 7 years and the battery only degraded about 2%. The car worked perfectly. The only reason I upgraded to a newer Tesla was to get the autopilot.
Wholeheartedly agree with your statement re: need to correct false EV articles like this. Many times authors publish false information to generate buzz & hits. I suspect that’s the MO here. Thanks for correcting this article on your channel, John.
Tesla needs to sue them for misinformation.
Note 72% to 64% would be an 11% reduction in battery capacity and not an 8% reduction. (72-64)/72 * 100 = 11.11% reduction.
No. Your math assumes that the starting capacity is 72%. This video argues that the Jalopnik article misrepresented the data by calculating the degradation from 100% EPA range while in practice it should have started at 72%. Since he's pointing out the error in Jalopnik's article, his starting point also needs to be 100% EPA. In which case 8% is the correct answer.
@@GaborBonaI have to agree with the 11% calculation, though the whole exercise is suspect since it uses range versus capacity. Regardless, I think of it this way. Yes, The article incorrectly indicates a starting point of only 72% of EPA range as the day 1 range. If instead we assume that the 72% of EPA range is actually the real life new car range, then that 72 number is really the 100% range. Now you decrease from 72 to 64. That 8 difference needs to be divided by the starting value of 72 we can’t divide by 100 because that wasn’t the starting number. All this being said, I’m not completely convinced that this is the way we should go about trying to understand battery degradation, primarily because I would have to be convinced about the reliability of the underlying data.
The 11% loss of range is correct. The new battery has less than the EPA range because real people aren't driving under EPA conditions, not because the battery is faulty in any way. Real people tend to accelerate briskly and drive 75-85 mph on the freeway, and that increases electricity usage/decreases range. Conversely, if I choose the appropriate route home from work, I can exceed the EPA range by several percent in my Model Y because the route is flat, has little need for acceleration and deceleration, and averages about 50 mph. That does not mean I have a superbattery, just that I am driving under non-EPA conditions so the range is different. If we take the 72% of EPA range as the new-battery condition, having 64% remaining after 3 years represents a loss of 11% of the initial range of the car when driven under real-world conditions.
@@GaborBona If 64/72 = x/100, then x = 11.1. It is a ratio problem, not a subtraction problem.
There are a few things I would check first, before "condemning" an EV battery. First, tire inflation pressure. Low tires can greatly reduce range. Second, get it on a rack, and check the tracking alignment for all four wheels. 3rd, check battery cell equalization. I would set the maximum state of charge to ~80%, then, plug into level 2 charging, or better yet, high level one charging and leave it plugged in for a day or more. That will give the battery management system time to equalize the state of charge of all the cells, to compensate for differences of self-discharge rate of individual cells, that have accumulated over time. EV's, (Tesla in particular) have excellent battery management systems, (BMS) IF they're given a chance to "work their magic". What happens, is that during driving, it bases its low state of charge on the voltage of the lowest cell. During charge, it bases full charge on the voltage of the cell that is highest. Those margins become less and less, as the states of charge of individual cells spreads out, due to self discharge rates. Fast charging doesn't give the BMS much time to try to equalize the cells. Charging at home, over night, helps a lot, giving the BMS hours, rather than minutes, to try to HOLD the individual cells at the same voltage, and allow an absorption charge on the cells with lower states of charge. That will widen the margin between low and high cutoff voltages for the whole battery, restoring usable capacity, thus, driving range. Try these things, before spending HUGE amounts of $$$$ on a new battery!
It's also valuable to note, that different tires have different amounts of rolling resistance. Some winter tires have more rolling resistance, than a tire specifically designed as LRR. (low rolling resistance) Even if you replace the tires with the exact same kind, new tires will give less range, than tires that are just about worn out. The range will increase, after about 10,000 miles/ 15,000 kilometers on new tires.
Jalopnik....yeah I'm not at all shocked
Hello. I have a 2020 Model Y with 113,550 miles. Yesterday I went on a long trip and returned home with 20% so I went into service mode and ran a HV battery test. It shows that I only have 6% battery degradation after 4 years and 113,550 miles. Looking forward to many more years and miles! Love the Model Y now just as much as I did on the day we bought it, and it still drives the same!
That's awesome!
FYI; on average, an EV battery degrades at 2.3% per year. Of course how you use the battery has an influence as well as the climate you are in etc.
In short, you battery seems to be doing a tad better than the average by only degrading 6 instead of 8%
HOWEVER
1/ exception to a rule are exceptions
There are 1970's Volvo's with a million miles on it. Does that mean that every Volvo has done that? No.
There for your experience is not everyone's experience.
2/ Tesla is infamous for making the computer give you false data which is why it can be saying you can do 320 miles at 100% but then you drive for 10 miles and it's estimated range is down to 280. Choose your optiong : either they are bad on programming and can't figure out what the range should be based on data collecter or they inflate their number intentionally.
3/ Battery capacity is a number reported by the computer and you have no clue how it comes to that number. Which means that the only proof you have of what the battery actually can handle is the milleage you can get. And I bet that the trip you made leaving you with 20% would have left you with 25% if you took it a year ago.
4/ When has any brand every produced an estimated max range that when compared to actual cars on actual roads was accurate. And who's estimage is closer to the reality that most people experience. The brands or the EPA?
Thanks Mat, for taking on the FUD. Unbelievable that professional auto writers get it so wrong, someone needs to set them right.
Though a minor error: degrading from 72.5% to 64.0% is actually a 11.7% loss from when new (not 8%). Likewise, 70% to 64% is a 9.1% loss from when new.
yep, we need to be accurate if we want to claim any ground when busting the errors of others.
I can only speak for my 2021 Model 3 Performance. I bought it new in 2021 and the battery degraded below 70% capacity earlier this year (2024). I received a battery error that I my battery could no longer charge. I took it to Tesla and received a refurbished battery that doesn't even come close to the range of my original battery at full charge. I do light driving and only go into the office once a week. After my battery warranty is up, I'll be getting a new car.
but but but.... don't you know you are completely and utterly factual wrong. The nitwit in this video has stated that through clenched teeth so he must know what he is talking about and it couldn't be because he is a brown nosing fanboy, could it?
But seriously, I hope your next car is one that lasts longer and from a brand that shows more respect to it's customers because replacing your battery with a refurbished one is a dick move.
What are you thinking of getting?
I am flabbergasted that the renowned, respected, and credible Jalopnik could let such a mistake go to press 😂. Surely they will print a huge article retracting their mistake and asking for our forgiveness.
They hate Tesla and Musk. Welcome to politically biased media
I don't think so (about the range loss). I had my Model 3 Performance for 3 years and didn't experience any big drop in range. John, they are desparate to come up with negative Tesla stories. ICE vehicles aren't selling well.
My Telsa Model S from 2016 had an EPA range of 294, it now gets about 280, so that's a drop of about 5% over 8 years, which is about 0.6% per year and at this rate will hit the 10-year mark (which was the original battery warranty) with a range of 276, for a total drop of about 6.3%, which is pretty darn good for lithium batteries in my opinion. I wish I could get a laptop with that kind of result.
My last Toyota Prius had an EPA rated range of 600 miles. Starting on day 1, I could only get 400 miles of range with it. That’s a 33% degradation in range just by driving it off of the dealer lot!
Same with my Toyota RAV4 Prime NEVER got the stated range of 600 miles, more like 500 you must have to drive @ 35 MPG the whole time? I’m maxing out at 550. Still not bad though.
@@richardmorin4518 my work commute is all freeway, all 80 mph. When the Prius reads 0 miles of range, it takes 10 gallons to fill it up, even with a few extra squirts to top off the tank. So 400 miles of range is 40 mpg @80 mph. Not bad at all, but no where near what the stated “EPA range” is.
That's because you don't live in the EPA loop, which has no basis on real world! The EPA test loop is an arbitrary fabrication to test to a fictional "average".
Using EPA to define degradation is same as using a crystal ball and estimating range without understanding the driving profile, I never reached EPA on a ICE cars only if you are a traffic obstacle you may can reach it 😂🤣, but bad stories generate clicks and this is the most reason for some of inaccurate reports, studies and news.
People don't care about capacity.. They care about range..
Unfortunately, I have a problem with your math too, and since it slightly favours Tesla I am going to point it out. Based on the chart presented a new Tesla get approximately 72.5% of EPA range when new and drops to approximately 64% around the 1500 hour mark. So, we started at a base of 72.5 and dropped to 64.0 this is an 8.5 point drop on a base of 72.5 which amounts to a percentage drop of 8.5/72.5 which is approximately 11.72 % reduction in capacity and not 8% (72-64) as you suggested. This seems to be in line with what Tesla is reporting for expected degradation of batteries for the Model 3 & Y.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Yes, but percentages are proportions .. of some amount. Say EPA=300. Today my car is new and gets .725*300 = 217.5 mi of range. I drive around for 1500 hours. Did the EPA range change? No, but now I only get .64*300=192.0 mi of range. This change of 25.5 mi is 25.5/300= 8.5% of EPA.
However, what you are saying is that my car got a range of 217.5 mi then and now gets 192.0 mi, so the change is really 25.5/217.5 = 11.72% less that it was before. If you start the way you did, you get involved with percentages of percentages.
If something retails for $10 and today is on sale for 10% off, it costs $9. If tomorrow, it is on sale for 20% off, it costs $8. It never costs $8.10 or $8.20 (unless it is an investment in the stock market 🤕)
@@Cleanerwatt How can the warranty be based on something they never disclose? Did tesla ever disclose the batter capacity? Only thing you can measure on the screen is EPA range. There is nothing wrong in the article. You failed to mention that tesla never disclosed batter sizes yet they base the warrant on retained battery capacity.
We are talking about what percentage of EPA Range a group of vehicles had when new and what percentage of EPA range they had at 1500 hours and then expressing the amount of change that occurred and expressing that as a parentage. Perhaps I should have normalized the starting capacity at 100 and also normalized that range at 1500 hours in proportion but the percentage drop in range would not have changed.
@@RamV-th4olthe battery capacity is disclosed on their website....
Jalopnik = Big Oil Money
NHTSA Biden Admn and big Auto eg GM as well as the anti free speech woke globalists....
I have a 2016 model S75D with 120k miles. When it was new, it could discharge 72 kwh before the car read 0%. 8 years later, it can only discharge 60 kwh before reading 0%. 16.7% degradation in 8 years and 120k miles.
Your argument makes sense. The range rule is the same as the MPG rule, that is your range/mileage will depend upon the way you drive. Also, most electric cars, except those with LFP batteries are to be filled up to 80%. That means that a car rated at 300 miles, I believe that is based on a 100% range would be 20% less if you filled it up to 80% so I am wondering if the EPA ratings are based on a 100% charge or an 80% charge it occurs to me that if it was based on an 80% charge that instead of a 300 mile range it would be 220 miles, right? Again, I believe your reasoning is correct and this gentleman‘s reasoning doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Keep up the good work!😊
My Model Y Long range is over 3 years old and I have lost less than 10%. It matters how you take care of your battery, charge at home at 80% and never let it run down below 20%.
You said that "ALL EVs lose range in the cold". You should have said that "ALL vehicles, whether EVs or ICE, lose range in the cold". Good analysis, though.
range is a terrible measure. just show useable kwh capacity of the battery.
Terrible measures for what?
@@yourcrazybear degradation. the only thing that matters is pack original capacity vs current pack capacity. driving habits, terrain, tires, weather too many factors for range for it to be useful
Agreed. There are too many factors affecting range, to use that as an accurate measure of usable battery capacity.
As a longtime Tesla owner and shareholder what I find lacking in the media is the glowing praise for these amazing cars that they richly deserve. And the only consolation for that is that the FUD has served Tesla well over the years since there’s no way Tesla could have ramped up production to meet the tsunami of orders they’d have faced if people really understood how outstanding they really are. We are finally reaching a point where manufacturing capacity may exceed demand and I’m curious to see whether Tesla simply rides it out a bit longer or actually invests a small amount of money in advertising. I suspect the former approach is wiser since lots of good news should be forthcoming anyway in 2025.
Love my 2019 model 3. Range is still great 👍
If it's only starting at 72% and drops to 64%, that is not a degradation of 8%. Your degradation is 11% because 72% is your starting point for degradation, which is always 100% because your baseline is always 100% no matter what number is being represented by the 100% baseline. I'm not arguing the news article isn't propaganda and trashbait journalism, but also it's also important to understand how the math works given the terms.
65% of advertised range is concerning for reasons other than “degradation”. Tesla could choose to advertise more accurate ranges (225 vs 265 miles & 264 vs 330, etc).
Important clarification! Thanks! Tesla should clarify this themselves and sue the authors and the publishers to hell because I suggest that was not misunderstood, but is intentionally misleading.
No need to sue every paid article.
Great work. I did read the article and was thoroughly puzzled by it. So I thought it was a sponsored FUD. Thanks for pointing out that little technical detail, which I missed. I should have picked up on it since I do study EVs quite a bit.
one thing I like to ask of anyone asking me these questions... Do you expect to get the EPA MPG on the window sticker when you buy a gas car?
I also point out that I only charge to 75% and don't bother to charge until I get below 50%. Even given that, I only need to charge every 2 or 3 days.
An NMC battery kept between 25% and 75% will last almost forever. LFP batteries are even better.
I have a '21 Model Y LR with over 93,000 miles on it and has a Recurrent degradation of only 7%. Recurrent also shows almost 1800 charging cycles. Over 80% of the charging is on my home level 2 Tesla Connector. This is my second Tesla with my opinion being Tesla is the best EV on the market, in the world.
Hate to nitpick, but a drop from 72 to 64 is not 8% it's a little over 10%, but please continue...
Thanks! I will communicate this correctly next time.
My 2017 Tesla long range model 3 has only lost about 7%.
How many miles do you have. Curious how long most model 3 will end up lasting
A nEV battery loses less power than an ICE loses compression. Working on ICE cars with 150K it's not unusual to see a 30%, or more, loss of compression. That much loss of engine capacity only increases the maintenance costs of the ICE. Battery degradation does not appear to increase the running costs of EV's.
Exactly.
I’m a little concern my 2024 model Y PERFORMANCE has lost 27 miles of range in only 4 months of ownership, on a recent road trip it only charged to 252miles at 100% should I be worried about the the degradation of over 10% so soon?
I’ve had two Tesla’s (a Model 3 RWD and a Model Y LR) for two years and seen virtually no degradation.
Same results as you. 2019 Model 3 Long Range, and 2021 Model 3 Performance.
Another data point: Model 3 LR (late 2020 Freemont build) 92.8% battery capacity after 45000 miles.
I have a 3 year old Tesla Model 3 Long Range. 39,000 miles. I have been abusing the battery with 100% charges some of the time. The battery is currently showing 89.9% of it's original capability.
Great video THANK YOU. 🙏. I for sure will share this to educate others.
My 2021 Model Y Long Range 320miles max range, after 3years and 70,000 miles lost 21miles range and that is about 7miles per year lost in the past 3years. It is driven almost 5 times a week around 100miles per day on regular days charged max to 80% every day before regular use. And it is almost taken to many long roadtrips charging at superchargers during holidays or family vacation trips.
You've also read the data incorrectly - it's not an 8% drop. If we assume every battery starts @ 100% not 72% then we have to multiply those figures to give us the real degradation. It's actually closer to 11% degradation because 64 x 100/72 = 88.8888%.
On the day of delivery I set my battery gauge to % and never changed it. When I owned gas cars I never ever looked predicted range - I just checked the fuel gauge. Drive an EV the same way and all this range nonsense goes away.
Why that up-slope after which the graph seems to recover back to what would have been the extrapolation of the first, more regular, slope?
Ads for ice vehicles turns my stomach
You may not like them but, they do have a place.
Why are you so brainwashed? EV’s are not going to solve anything for the environment or climate. Are you just a whackadoodle?
6:25 The decrease from 72% of range to 64% of range is around 11% not 8%
They're not misunderstanding the data; they're deliberately misusing it. I stopped paying attention to jalopnik years ago because of their data anti-EV agenda. The problem is, as you make clear, one of many people being uninformed about EV performance and longevity. I still encounter that, with people who still call EV's 'milk floats', 'golf carts' and 'toy cars'. Some start listening when I tell them how long we've owned the car for, and what the total cost of ownership has been, in comparison to their Diesel or gasoline cars. Even then, many still say that hybrid 'frankencars' are the future. 🤦🏼♂
I get 400 miles a tank in My 2008 Toyota Yaris. Best Car ever under 11,000 new
Deception is the goal
Great video, thanks. Stay safe.
People who have are technically inclined should not write at all.
I am confident LFP batteries last a very long time.
Does this data regard LFP or NMC batteries? They are relative new to Tesla models and are supposed to degrade less.
Had a Tesla for over 6 years. I'm sure the capacity has reduced a bit but it can't be much because I can't tell. It still seems to go as far on a charge as it always did. I supercharge it most of the time.
I have 85,000 miles on my model Y LR and the range is 245 miles at 80% That's a loss of only 5% roughly.
QUITE HAPPY with the longevity.
My 2020 model 3 performance has 83k miles with 257mi limit
Mine is 2yrs old and I'm not sure how the previous owner charged it but 8% so far.
I’ve had the 2024 LR AWD 19in for a month now and my max is 280 at 100% is there something I can change about that?
Well done John. The automotive journal space is fortunate to have you as an active participant and educator. Appreciate your efforts in exposing the nonsense put out by Jalopnik. 👍And thank you. 🙏
My new 24 Model Y LR out of Fremont had a 304 mile EPA range at pickup and this value is very common from comments and posts I've seen on TMC and on Model Y FB groups. This displayed value has no relation to driving habits or temperature per the manual. It's a mystery, but they actually come new with 3% less displayed range than rated. My efficiencies on TeslaFi show high 90s across most speed ranges.
What about difference of EPA and real world range for ICE vehicles. Do they have similar significant % differences?
Driving (coasting) downhill from Eisenhower Junction to Kansas City my revivifier’s car gets great mileage.❤
As long as you are going downhill with the air conditioner off you might get close to the EPA range.
VERY good content, thank you so much for your work!
If the warranty is based on the battery capacity Tesla should disclose the batter capacity. There is no official information on battery capacity. How can Tesla warrant based o something they don't disclose?
True. Would be nice to have diagnostic info in the service settings.
it is simple why, they have something to hide. To make the battery last enough for the warranty they put a slightly larger battery and the computer doesn't charge the battery to 100% when it is new. After a while the battery loses some capacity and the computer allows the battery to charge to 100% and the owner is tricked that the battery has only lost a few %. After the warranty is over and the reserve is exhausted the battery will degrade at increased pace and will die shortly.
If a new battery gets 70% of the EPA range, and after 3 years it drops to below 64%, that is a drop of 9% from the new battery figure. I must admit this highlights exactly how constrained the Tesla's are in their real world range. Consider a claimed 330 mile optimum range then factor in that you only want to use 80% to 10% SOC, then 9% degradation over 3 years, you are looking is 211 miles, and even that may be optimistic given weather and driving conditions.
Mis-understand, or intentionally mis representing?
The story discussed, appears to be an attempt at spreading FUD 100%
Good job on exposing it!.
Degradation is not the scary part of $10-20k batteries. The batteries have thousands of cells and it only takes one to go resistive and cause the whole pack to fail. You bought an EV thinking less moving parts = less things to fail. Plus the pack is full of electronics that can fail and you’re going to get a huge and very scary bill. EV companies want you to keep arguing about degradation while they hide the number of pack failures. Don’t own one out of warranty, but expect to lose gas savings in depreciation.
My 2018 model 3 lr averages 180-240 miles real world miles the wide variety is weather dependent but in the winter I’ll be lucky to hit 200 miles it averages low/mid 100’s
How about you look into how much buffer tesla batteries have when new as compared to 3 years later.
Are they decreasing the buffer to hide and cover up degradation ?
Not all batteries are in the same operating conditions. I would say a 15-20% degradation on MY LR AWD. Problem is Tesla EPA range is not true to start with.
Thanks for the information
I do not for a moment believe the author "misunderstands" the data, rather they are misrepresenting the data to make Tesla vehicles appear to have a problem which, as you clearly explain, they do not. Part of a long-running program to spread FUD against Tesla and EVs in general.
Just ordered a MY RWD Quicksilver in Australia. Waiting time is 7 to 9 weeks, and today I read a MSM article suggesting that Tesla is having trouble selling their cars. More fake news, I guess.
Now, I need to get an electric motorcycle with a decent range and my life is complete.
What all these BEV makers leave out is Li-Ion battery range declines with not just charge cycles. Li-Ion batteries lose 2%-6%/ year of capacity if just left in storage. Tesla with their warranty 70% in 8 years. That is a loss of up to 3.75%/ year at that rate a 20 year old Tesla could have only 25% of capacity. I have had numerous ICE that have had no major repairs in over 20years.
Even the minor repair's cost for 20 years cover the battery replacement. After 20 years you will end with a ton of money left in your pocket that you saved for the fuel. How much more fuel and oil do a 150-200k miles - 20 yo ICE car needs than when it was new? Are your cylinders still the same as new? The piston rings? The crankshaft bearings? The gearbox? Even if you don't move your car at all for a year, you still have to replace the engine oil. Every car wears and needs some money to fix and maintain, stop that BS.
Good to see you clearing up the fake news being put out there and putting people off going the Ev route. Glad they have changed the EPA test as the test conditions mean the cars in reality get much less range, the test needs to become more real world conditions with 70mph at less than 10 degrees celsius ambient being 50% of the test which will make the figures closer to real world for many of people.
This isn't really a big deal if you try to find out how the battery ages before you buy. The real problem is that after 8 years or 150,000 miles you are stranded and if you use the car a lot you can fall outside the warranty in 1 to 2 years. This warranty absolutely kills the secondhand value as it implies the battery will go bad after either 8 year or 150,000 mils, even if it won't for the majority of Tesla cars as they are used with level 2 chargers that don't degrade the battery like fast chargers will. If Tesla were smart they would change the warranty so secondhand owners can take par in it for a longer time. As it is now no one will take a chance on an 8-year-old Tesla.
I say buy your Tesla new then drive it like it's your baby and keep it as long as it lasts.
To be honest taking a new 6-7 year old ice car also is a risk because there will be a lo tof maintenance and repairs to do. Modern cars aren't as well built as they were 20 years ago. So it's a risk as well.
@@HyperVegitoDBZ True, you are always in the hands of the previous owner.
Buy an ICE vehicle and not have to worry about it. Cost less and with hybrid you get great fuel economy
Yup, Hybrids are really where they're at right now. The charging network just isn't ready yet such that, in California, since the average cost is 0.5c/kWh, you're barely paying less than gas.
Now as a secondary vehicle and only for commuting around local areas, and always have access to home charging, of course EVs are useful there. But that's about it and it won't matter what percent battery degradation there is, assuming one has a hefty 200+ mi commute.
My Model 3 is five years old and has 97,733 miles. My range has increased in the last six months. Love my car and how it gets better with age.
That has to be erroneous in some manner. How much range have you lost overall thanks.
I think you should take this video down and correct your math. If you can’t get the basics correct, it reduces your credibility, rightly or wrongly.
The article must have been written by a Judge in New York working for Recurrent part time.
Missing data point. How many people start trading in thier Tsla when they see battery loss.
I hit the like button but can't approve the Pay Package because I'm not a shareholder. I would approve it if I was though! What the Scumbag Judge did was Wrong, Wrong, Wrong! Thx John.
I have a Model S 2016 (8 Years) and have lost 11%!
I don't think it's an issue of a lack of understanding on the author's part. I think it's very deliberate misrepresentation of facts and a case of the author taking their readers for idiots. Glad to see people calling them out
My battery has apparently gained capacity in its first year, according to the Tessie app! Not too sure how accurate that is though
Great content ... very clear ...m well done.
There's no way I'd buy a car that loses that much range in just three years.
A "warranty " is not a "guarantee" so the manufacturer is not under obligation to replace anything.
Does anyone purchase a car expecting the epa rating to be correct with so many variables? I believe that this post is in a defensive mode for ev champions 🏆
Fast charging also degrades battery performance over time. So where's the data?
Jalopnik is a terrible source of truthful info.
It does sound ridiculous when even Edmunds says their before and after for 4 years of rough 0-100 charging is degradation of 9%.
If the battery degraded that badly you would qualify for a battery replacement under warranty.
Exactly
Ive had my model y for almost 3+ years and so far 6% below loss even after 100K miles on it.
Tesla is the best car
How often did you have to buy tires? Do you live in a cold climate? How bad are the paint chips on the car?
My 2021 Model 3 is still at 96% @49k miles
Jalopy (noun) An old car in dilapidated condition.
Jalopnik (noun) A car news site in dilapidated condition.
It’ll be a warranty claim
so are you saying a brand new tesla battery capacity does not match or have the EPA range as advertised?? 2:35 doesnt make any sense.. if a new tesla battery capacity does not match the range it advertised, they would of been sued.
It does not meet the advertised range from the EPA. None of them do.
@@DrRussPhd have they been sued??? no, none of them did. becuz they can prove in their lab condition it can.
My S70D still have 60 kWh capacity after 9 years and 425000 km
Thanks Tesla.....
Thanks for this
Is it like advertising that this animal can have a range of 300 miles from a single meal but it neglects how that animal might perform in water vs land, like in water it might only get 200 but they advertised 300 it's not that they were lying just that they are not being clear about all the scenarios and how it might actually effect range.
Do you think it is only missunderstanding? I´d bet for EV hate behing the article