Excellent Jonathan. I had both, had both, of these issues. Your instruction is pitched at a perfect level for most golfers to comprehend. Having had these problems for many years after many lessons from different pros. I have arrived at the same conclusions finally, with the help of an ex European player Steve Harrison. One thing if I may add to your excellent tutorial. Both of my issues arose through a lack of torso flexibility making it easier and lazier to continue with the same bad patterns. Working on good spine angles and stretching redundant muscles helped me enormously. Great stuff keep it up and success to you Jonathan!
Thanks a lot! This is exactly my issue...laid off at the top and I just finished "working" on it at the range with good results. (It'll take a bit of time as I've been doing that for a very long time). Thanks again!
Very helpful, but I would add a third cause: not rotating the chest enough. The chest should rotate with the clubhead as long as possible. Stopping the upper body rotation too soon will give the club a certain momentum to roll flat. Keep the chest moving with the clubhead as long as humanly possible, while aiming the club face 45 degrees down as long as possible. The correct hinge will happen on its own when the right elbow folds.
I AM HAPPY I FOUND YOUR CHANNEL- THE BEST MOST PRACTICAL INSTRUCTION I HAVE SEEN. TWO QUESTIONS-ARE YOU PROMOTING A REVERSE COUNTER CLOCKWISE FOREARM ROTATION TO KEEP THE CLUB FROM GOING INSIDE. SECOND, WHEN DOES EXTENSION IN THE BACKSWING BECOME A PROBLEM WITH A REVERSE PIVOT? THANKS.
Thanks so much! I am glad I could help. Most people who tend to get the club head behind them too early get their forearms rotating to where the lead forearm is level or above the trail forearm, so to help get in a better position you would most likely need to rotate them to where the trail forearm stays more above the lead forearm. You can definitely over-extend your upper body in the back swing. The key is to do it enough to where you are centered over the ball. You can check out my videos "HOW TO TURN AROUND YOUR CENTER" or "3 THINGS THAT CONTROL LOW POINT (Stack & Tilt)" that is already on my channel. I talk about this topic. Hope this helps!
Thanks for the video, can I ask for a drill to stop the club getting laid off, AFTER it has gotten to the top. Aka, dropping down horizontally on the inside to start the downswing. Thanks
The trail forearm set a light bulb in my head - I have a hard tendency to roll my lead forearm - Thanks Jon! Im going to work on this to help with my back swing position!!! #gabergolf
You'd have a great time trying to fix my takeaway. I take it 3/4 back too vertical and then lay it off at the top, I guess a bad habit I have developed trying to counteract the steep plane coming away from the ball. The the downswing is a slow even out of the laid off top of backswing. I hate watching it on video, it has been doing my head in for years :(
Your downswing will definitely be affected by the way you take the club back and your positioning at the top of the swing. I think the difficulty is having someone feel the change in position enough. When I get someone in the correct position they usually tell me that it feels extremely odd at first so its important that we go step by step starting from the takeaway, to the back swing and then the downswing. Its a lot of little things done incorrect..
Hi Jo, I Follow you from Germany since Last week. Especially this Video was very helpful for me and opend my eyes for the backswing. Yesterday I tried to tilt as you showed in the wall exercise. This worked very well for my irons. Am I Right That for the fairway Wood the Tilt Must be more shallowed? Thanks for Your work and stay well!
The tilt with the woods or longer club may be more shallow but only because you tend to stand slight further away from the ball at address and starting posture may be different but you still want to tilt with all clubs in the bag
Jonathan, in this video 8.16 minutes section, what do you mean that * The shaft of the club points close to the line of your heels*, can you share a diagram with arrows for this illustration?
Your instructions are good; but requires a lot of thoughts behind it. However too vertical move are golfers turning their knuckles counterclockwise at the transitional point of their downswing. Very bad indeed. All great right handed player quickly turns their knuckles of their hands clockwise at the top of their swing whether they are aware of this or not. Cheers
So if I keep my hands close to my body on the backswing making sure to not rotate the club head behind my right leg to quickly, what is the process to actually raise the club to shoulder height? Using your drill when I raise the club upwards the club face points down towards the ground and then across the line badly. At what point do I rotate the club face?
The drill I demonstrated was to prevent the club from getting too flat too early in the back swing. If you continue your swing with the trail forearm more ontop then it should force you to set the club more vertically. Perhaps I can make a video about this specifically!
This is most likely my most serious problem, I am hitting inside of the tee off the tee box JKM meaning it comes off the toe. Will this work out the kinks in my swing? Sounds like I am swinging too far inside, is this the case? Am struggling with my swing badly...
I dont know, I'm super laid off and I play way better from there...HOWEVER...im a former college wrestler and was a gymnast for most of my life so I can rotate really hard...but if you CAN rotate hard, it definitely takes a lot of thinking out of it and it's just turn turn My biggest issue is coming in to shallow and hitting tops or fats with divots point excessively right...would a steeper backswing help that
There are definitely players that can play great golf from a laid off position at the top. It all depends on the pattern of your downswing and how you are able to get the club in efficient positions. This video gives certain players information on how to get out of a laid of position if it does not match up with their downswing pattern.
golf instruction is a ridiculous industry... its all bogus. I have researched all the great players of all time... They all had quirky swings. #1 Dustin Johnson - bows his wrist. every golf teacher in the world would tell you not to do that and yet DJ is number on in the world and would devour every golf instructor on the course. I am beginning to believe that in order to achieve a great swing, you have to find your own that works for how your mind and body are connected. I mean look at Matt Wolf. All the greats have unique swings. All the mediocre players on tour are the ones that probably have the "traditional" perfect mechancial swing. Find your swing and then practice practice practice your short game.
Really great video from start to finish, I find too many instructional videos focus on the issue without showing the causes. Big thumbs up!
Thanks so much if you have any other questions I would be happy to clarify it for you
Best lesson ever.....I have been fighting this for years....I just tried these drills...club was in a perfect position!
Well thanks to
Excellent Jonathan. I had both, had both, of these issues. Your instruction is pitched at a perfect level for most golfers to comprehend. Having had these problems for many years after many lessons from different pros. I have arrived at the same conclusions finally, with the help of an ex European player Steve Harrison. One thing if I may add to your excellent tutorial. Both of my issues arose through a lack of torso flexibility making it easier and lazier to continue with the same bad patterns. Working on good spine angles and stretching redundant muscles helped me enormously. Great stuff keep it up and success to you Jonathan!
This has been my problem for such a long time. Thanks!
Thanks a lot! This is exactly my issue...laid off at the top and I just finished "working" on it at the range with good results. (It'll take a bit of time as I've been doing that for a very long time). Thanks again!
6:30 ~ the practices you introduced are so innovative!! Thank you for your scientific and systematic teaching!!!!
Thank you Jonathan, precisely one of the bad picked up by the AI software that I use. Will learn and correct
I do both. Will do these drills.
Super good example
Thanks a lot
bro is the greatest of all time in golf tutorials i swear
The eureka moment for me was discovering long thumb vs short thumb. A long thumb is so much easier to fully set the wrists at the top of the swing.
Can you explain this thought between long and short thumb. Ur comment got me feeling like that may be my problem.
Whenever I start to struggle this is the video I come back to. Great drills!!!!
Very helpful, but I would add a third cause: not rotating the chest enough. The chest should rotate with the clubhead as long as possible. Stopping the upper body rotation too soon will give the club a certain momentum to roll flat. Keep the chest moving with the clubhead as long as humanly possible, while aiming the club face 45 degrees down as long as possible. The correct hinge will happen on its own when the right elbow folds.
Jonathan with another great explanation/prescription.
Great video!
This is amazing video
Great Stuff
Makes Sense!!!
Especially the takeaway w Hands!!
The Shoulder w the Club Tilt on tge Wall ., great Drill 👍
Keep it Comin
Great job with this video! Very well explained and effective drills. Thank You
Thank you for the lesson. I will practice this tomorrow. You are very kind to help everyone.
FANTASTIC INSTRUCTOR! THANK YOU!
Thank you for this very insightful lesson. Cheers Jon
Awesome video man. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I’ve benefited a lot by watching yr videos. Thumbs up and thank you
Very good video
Thanks bro, need this vid
Excellent lesson
Another great explanation. Definitely best on you tube 👍
Thank you Jonathan
Common flaw to me sometime. A good vid!
I AM HAPPY I FOUND YOUR CHANNEL- THE BEST MOST PRACTICAL INSTRUCTION I HAVE SEEN. TWO QUESTIONS-ARE YOU PROMOTING A REVERSE COUNTER CLOCKWISE FOREARM ROTATION TO KEEP THE CLUB FROM GOING INSIDE. SECOND, WHEN DOES EXTENSION IN THE BACKSWING BECOME A PROBLEM WITH A REVERSE PIVOT? THANKS.
Thanks so much! I am glad I could help.
Most people who tend to get the club head behind them too early get their forearms rotating to where the lead forearm is level or above the trail forearm, so to help get in a better position you would most likely need to rotate them to where the trail forearm stays more above the lead forearm.
You can definitely over-extend your upper body in the back swing. The key is to do it enough to where you are centered over the ball. You can check out my videos "HOW TO TURN AROUND YOUR CENTER" or "3 THINGS THAT CONTROL LOW POINT (Stack & Tilt)" that is already on my channel. I talk about this topic.
Hope this helps!
Keep up the good work! Watching from Los Angeles
Thanks for the video, can I ask for a drill to stop the club getting laid off, AFTER it has gotten to the top. Aka, dropping down horizontally on the inside to start the downswing. Thanks
Great video! Keep it up
great drills!
Thanks bro💕
Lovely stuff.
The trail forearm set a light bulb in my head - I have a hard tendency to roll my lead forearm - Thanks Jon! Im going to work on this to help with my back swing position!!! #gabergolf
Quality
Great video as always.
isn't this take away like in the juju swing?
Can you explain why the club cross over the top? I’ve been fighting this for years.
also for right hand players, they are picking up the club with their left hand pinky fingers
You'd have a great time trying to fix my takeaway. I take it 3/4 back too vertical and then lay it off at the top, I guess a bad habit I have developed trying to counteract the steep plane coming away from the ball. The the downswing is a slow even out of the laid off top of backswing. I hate watching it on video, it has been doing my head in for years :(
just subscribed!
Your downswing will definitely be affected by the way you take the club back and your positioning at the top of the swing.
I think the difficulty is having someone feel the change in position enough. When I get someone in the correct position they usually tell me that it feels extremely odd at first so its important that we go step by step starting from the takeaway, to the back swing and then the downswing. Its a lot of little things done incorrect..
great! I am happy to answer any questions
Hi Jo,
I Follow you from Germany since Last week. Especially this Video was very helpful for me and opend my eyes for the backswing. Yesterday I tried to tilt as you showed in the wall exercise. This worked very well for my irons. Am I Right That for the fairway Wood the Tilt Must be more shallowed?
Thanks for Your work and stay well!
The tilt with the woods or longer club may be more shallow but only because you tend to stand slight further away from the ball at address and starting posture may be different but you still want to tilt with all clubs in the bag
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Many thanks for your answer.
Jonathan, in this video 8.16 minutes section, what do you mean that * The shaft of the club points close to the line of your heels*, can you share a diagram with arrows for this illustration?
Your instructions are good; but requires a lot of thoughts behind it. However too vertical move are golfers turning their knuckles counterclockwise at the transitional point of their downswing. Very bad indeed. All great right handed player quickly turns their knuckles of their hands clockwise at the top of their swing whether they are aware of this or not. Cheers
I feel like I'm laid off. I hit a lot of push shots and pull hooks. It's something that I've overlooked my whole golfing life. NO MORE!!! 😅
So if I keep my hands close to my body on the backswing making sure to not rotate the club head behind my right leg to quickly, what is the process to actually raise the club to shoulder height? Using your drill when I raise the club upwards the club face points down towards the ground and then across the line badly. At what point do I rotate the club face?
I roll my hands in and try to stop. Feels ok to p2 but from p2- p3 struggle with roll. How do wrists work from there with no roll? New video idea 😅
The drill I demonstrated was to prevent the club from getting too flat too early in the back swing. If you continue your swing with the trail forearm more ontop then it should force you to set the club more vertically. Perhaps I can make a video about this specifically!
I bow my left wrist from P2! :-(
can this movement cause an over the top??
This is most likely my most serious problem, I am hitting inside of the tee off the tee box JKM meaning it comes off the toe. Will this work out the kinks in my swing? Sounds like I am swinging too far inside, is this the case? Am struggling with my swing badly...
Im watchíng this video for the opositte purpose: learn how to get laid off!
I dont know, I'm super laid off and I play way better from there...HOWEVER...im a former college wrestler and was a gymnast for most of my life so I can rotate really hard...but if you CAN rotate hard, it definitely takes a lot of thinking out of it and it's just turn turn
My biggest issue is coming in to shallow and hitting tops or fats with divots point excessively right...would a steeper backswing help that
There are definitely players that can play great golf from a laid off position at the top. It all depends on the pattern of your downswing and how you are able to get the club in efficient positions. This video gives certain players information on how to get out of a laid of position if it does not match up with their downswing pattern.
Thank you very much, I tend to tinker too much, I've been playing well so if it'd broke dont fix it
That doesn't seem to bother Justin Johnson.
at the top of the backswing the club head is ALWAYS pointing behind the golfer!! ...duh...
golf instruction is a ridiculous industry... its all bogus. I have researched all the great players of all time... They all had quirky swings.
#1 Dustin Johnson - bows his wrist. every golf teacher in the world would tell you not to do that and yet DJ is number on in the world and would devour every golf instructor on the course.
I am beginning to believe that in order to achieve a great swing, you have to find your own that works for how your mind and body are connected.
I mean look at Matt Wolf. All the greats have unique swings. All the mediocre players on tour are the ones that probably have the "traditional" perfect mechancial swing.
Find your swing and then practice practice practice your short game.