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Not a celebrity request but it may be useful to continue this as a series - where you show how one type can have many different variations or look confusing/unexpected. It's so confusing when you think you've settled on a type and then you see the examples and you think "oh I don't look like that so I must not be that type". I especially like when you talk about the "overall effect" and how one contrasting answer doesn't tip the balance.
@@ladyvignette Many SN's have soft and round faces, though. I think they can be easily mistaken for Romantics if they don't have that obvious strenght to them at first glance.
I don't quite understand the argument that she's too cutesy to be a Dramatic. Being a Dramatic does not equal being regal, sophisticated etc. It only tells you the lines that you look best in, not what style or persona you should adopt. There's even a video on this channel on how a Soft Dramatic can adopt a kawaii style. There's a lot of misinformation being spread in the Kibbe community and this comment section certainly reflects that. Kibbe's name should not be attached to any argument suggesting that Taylor Swift is a Gamine as it goes directly against Kibbe's teachings. Merriam, I wish you would be more transparent about the fact that the method you use to determine people's body types is not purely based on the Kibbe system, especially considering the fact that you charge money from people who wish to know their Kibbe type.
I hadn't known that Kibbe classified her as a dramatic, but he has reclassified people in the past (even from theatrical romantic to flamboyant natural, I'm sure you know!), so I'm holding out hope that he'll reclassify Taylor! It would actually be very dishonest of me to say that I don't use Kibbe's system, because it wouldn't give credit where credit is due. People know that I'm not affiliated with Kibbe, and I don't pretend to be, and they also know that it's my own interpretation. Sometimes you don't always have to say 'this is my opinion this is my opinion' over and over again......of course, it's my opinion. About charging money for body typing, I'm fortunate to make a bit of money doing what I love. I'm a personal stylist and I'm still developing my philosophy, but I use many tools to help my clients, not only Kibbe's system. Although I love Kibbe body typing and think it's one of the best tools out there, I also use other tools such as ethereal typology, and my own color analysis system that has nothing to do with Kibbe at all. I just try to use the best out there, and give credit where credit is due (for example with Kitchener as well). My clients pay for my opinion because they think it's valuable enough and maybe they like what they see from my videos in terms of my philosophy and approach to personal style, and I'm happy and grateful for that. They know that it's 'my thoughts' on their body type, and I even have a disclaimer at the end of the style report sample that says only Kibbe himself can give you your Kibbe body type, and I make it clear enough that people are paying for my interpretation. Maybe I'll make a video about it and share my thoughts just to be sure that everyone knows that it's my interpretation.....................but I'm pretty sure everyone knows. If I had known that Kibbe had classified Taylor as dramatic, I would have said so in the video, or not made the video at all. It wasn't meant to be misinformation!
Oh wait I just reread even the first part of your comment too Swoopiify....very strange that you interpreted that I think Taylor is gamine somehow because she's cute.....that's not what I said in the video at all, and I would never in my life say that, I think that's a very harmful stereotype. I say that body type is a set of lines and not a style as often as humanly possible.......I just have no idea how you got that. The only thing I can even think of is that I said she looked cute in a dress. Can I not say that Taylor 'looks cute'....as in, colloquially 'looks cute in that dress'. very strange! Did I ever say that she 'was cute' and that it ever had anything to do with her type--I don't think I did??
@@merriamstyle The first part of my comment was more in response to what I've seen others write in the comments, because you did indeed not use that argument. I'm sorry I may have come across too harshly, I don't mean to disrespect you as your work actually has been very helpful to me. Your theory on colors are brilliant and have been very eye opening to me. You also have very interesting ideas about body types though I personally don't agree with everything (Taylor being a Gamine for example). What I find a bit frustrating is just that Kibbe's name is being attached to various things here on the internet that actually doesn't correlate with his teachings and he has expressed frustration over that. I do think that may be partly his own fault though since the only resources available are an out of print book from the 80s and a closed group on Facebook where he'll occasionally post. There has been some changes in his theories over the years but he hasn't done much to spread the word around so no wonder people are confused. I don't have a problem with you making money off of this, but I think it's important when you're inspired by someone that you don't let clients believe that it's Kibbe typing them because essentially the only one who can type according to Kibbe is Kibbe himself, the rest of us can only guess.
Thank you for your kind words, and completely agreed on that last paragraph as well! I'll double check my booking pages and make sure they're clear on that!
Ok, I've been thinking about this a lot and I'm not persuaded by it and I'll tell you why. A major part of the argument here involves contrasting Taylor Swift with Keira Knightley, but Keira Knightley isn't the template for Dramatics. I'm not a Kibbe cultist by any means, but consider the range of women he types as Dramatic: Cate Blanchett, Claire Danes, Maggie Smith, Tilda Swinton, Kate Moss. They all look quite different superficially, but they can all be characterized as having features that are sharp, angular, prominant, and elongated. So simply contrasting Taylor Swift with Keira Knightley isn't a sufficient basis for concluding they are different types. (On the other end of the spectrum, think how different these Romantics are: Drew Barrymore, Beyonce, Christina Ricci, Elizabeth Taylor...) Taylor Swift likes to wear gamine looks, and they're fine because she's beautiful and slim, and some are better than others, but in general I think they make her look like a giant. She *looks* tall. Watching video of her, it's clear how strong (yang) her bone structure is. Photos can be deceiving. Watch video of a few Dramatics, then watch video of a few Gamines. In motion, you can see a big difference in the "weight" of their bones. Taylor Swift also pulls off a blunt, heavy fringe/bang as only a Dramatic can. I think that hairstyle would be too heavy on a Gamine. (Google Cate Blanchett with bangs for an interesting comparison.) At root, I think the issue here is a too-narrow idea of Dramatics that, to be honest, I think begins with Merriam. I understand she's typed herself as a Soft Gamine. I know we can only see her face, but I don't see any softness in her face at all. She has a square jaw, prominent cheekbones, narrow and straight eyes, thin lips. (Compare a young Maggie Smith, a Dramatic. Also watch videos of Aly Art or Jenna Coleman, Soft Gamines, to see how much finer their bone structure is.)
I almost want to agree with you but how would you get any gamine answers for her skeleton? Her face is very cute and gamine but her body is visibly long, angular. She looks tall, she looks slim. Her shoulders don't taper much, in my opinion, they aren't soft shoulders. I mean I am torn in this one.
Her joints seem really delicate and pokey in a way that Dramatic isn't, but IDK how that would show up on the Kibbe test. Her bones seem delicate like bird bones, almost "D" answer.
I’m very certain that Taylor is dramatic with ingenue essence. If you covered Taylor’s eyes, nose and mouth...you can see that she’s a dramatic, she’s tall, with a narrow frame, sharp bones, taut flesh, long hands and feet. Same thing with Lily Cole, cover her face, and she’s soft dramatic. They’re both young and both have that youthful/gamine/ingenue essence. That youthful essence can be brought out in photo shoots, on catwalks and on stages, through gamine/ingenue stylization and they will look ‘cute’ and they will stand out...but imagine if they were non-celebrities? they would look abit silly walking around town in lines meant for smaller, shorter people.
@@fatoumfatoumeh Body typing isn't an essence. She's a soft gamine because she's a random mixture of Yin and Yang, you don't have to be short to be in the gamine category and her body is too curvy and too soft to be dramatic. She looks shorter, has a curvy body, and has a child-like face.
Pink You need to understand the meaning of the word ‘gamine’, and the history behind the term. Gamine is used to refer to women who are ‘petite with a boyish charm’ (eg. Natalie Portman, Winona Ryder, Kelly Osbourne, Lady Gaga) or delicately ‘waif-ish’ (Twiggy and Audrey Hepburn), ie. They are small in size, with a short vertical line, and often with a larger head relative to their body (their proportions are abit child-like or like a young teen to describe it best)...this is where their Yin comes from, otherwise they wouldn’t be gamine. Taylor Swift looks very tall, slim. She looks more like a runaway model than a petite waif. She has a cute girlish face, but it’s a dramatic face still, on a tall, narrow and sleek dramatic body. It doesn’t matter if there is abit of added flesh, the overall impression is tall and narrow rather than small, and that is what makes one a ‘dramatic’. I am with Kibbe on this one. Taylor looks great in color-blocking, but so do a lot of dramatics and dramatic classics (you can look up Amal Clooney, Courtney Cox, Jackie O, etc). In those pictures where Taylor dresses cutesy, she was younger, more ingenue looking. Young fashion models (with Taylor’s proportions) are made to wear girly, cutesy stuff in photo shoots and on runways all the time, and it looks fun and cute, because it’s age-appropriate and because it’s something people expect pretty young girls to wear, regardless of their height or shape...not because all those tall girls are gamines. These days Taylor looks more womanly, and more of a dramatic, those short lines don’t work as well. Have you seen in her in dramatic and dramatic classic outfits? She looks fantastic in long lines...you’re definitely not a gamine if long lines in clothing look good on you.
David kibbe no longer uses gamine, classic, or natural anymore. Taylor is a kibbe verified dramatic. This is his system that he created so only he can say for sure. I agree that she does look good in gamine outfits but that doesn’t change her image ID. Personal style is not the same as an image ID and David actually says this. Katy Perry is a soft natural and looks great in her gamine looks as well but she’s still a soft natural. It’s all about someone’s personal yin and yang balance. Not every dramatic looks like Tilda Swinton and not every dramatic will look good every tailored suit because everyone is different. The test from the book Metamorphosis is one that he no longer uses today. It was written in 1988 so he has updated his system and how he determines someone’s yin and yang balance. He says to not compare celebrities because it causes confusion and that just looking at some pictures is not enough to determine someone’s body type.
I understand your process but I don't see gamine for Taylor swift, The most noticeable thing about her is lenght, long narrow sharps bone structure. I get it when you say that the vertical line is just one answer to the test but I truly believe that some questions like vertical line should have more weight as what we look for is a harmonious overall look so the overall impression, the big picture has imo more weight than let's say the shape of the eyes. I truly see a dramatic bone structure for her and some more yin after, added, maybe not enough to put her with SD but more than some D but her overall appearance is closer to D to me.
Yeah my understanding of the book is that all of the types have height restrictions, because we can be short or tall “looking” for our height but realistically: no 6 footer is going to look petite no matter what. At Taylor’s height she only has two options: D types or N types. With her facial flesh alone I’d rule out D, and FN, which leaves SD, N, or SN.
You're focusing too much on her body and not on her features. Her face is not long or narrow tho, her lips are full and her nose is short and rounded, as well as her cheeks look soft, she doesn't have that dry look on her face, and her facial bone structure is not prominent nor aggressive (TR has some sharpness but not prominence) that's too much yin for a D, and you're ignoring all of her softness and talking only about her eyes and height. She has a pretty yang body, but a soft face, something contradictory, and that's what gamine is: ramdon contradictions
i feel like she is a soft classic (a bit tall for a classic but somewhere in the classic family). Her facial features are evenly spaced not too sharp not too curved very blended and moderate as apposed to mixed. her bone structure is yang dominant but her flesh in yin. i've noticed when she wears heavy eye makeup and nude lip combination it look out of balance on her. but when her makeup is balanced and her hair is tidy it really suits her (kind of has a 50's style element). i think people only think she is a gamine because she wears a lot of gamine type clothes. to me she looks quite restricted in them, but when she wears clothes that are high waisted or give a slight waist definition looks really good on her.
@@jhoward5011 I understand where you're coming from, but realistically classic is the least suitable type for her after romantic, because of this huge clash between her extremely long vertical line and her literal baby-face. Her face looks to me almost like a cute 12-year-old's, if you forget about who she is in reality, while she also looks like a skyscraper (metaphorically). That's the complete opposite of a balanced body! Nothing about her is moderate.
She is very tall and has very long arms and legs. These are her most noticeable characteristics. This, alone, can tell us that she is one of the three: Flamboyant Natural, Dramatic or Soft Dramatic. If she were a FN, she would be wider in bones and she would probably have more width to her shoulders, back, ribcage. If she were a SD, she would be curvy, and she is definitely not. When we look at her, we don't see any prominent curves. So she can only be dramatic.
Ummmm... Regardless that her hands are small (D) her bust line (chest C/waist C/hips C) is moderate and proportional , her shoulders are sloped (D) and her cheeks are full (D) ?
@@JW-uq9yt even though it is obvious that you are going through the questions of the quiz, which David Kibbe does not recommend anymore, I am still gonna answer to what you 're saying. Her hands don't seem to be small, they look more like dramatic hands to me, long and narrow. Her shoulders are not sloped, they are quite sharp. And her cheeks are indeed soft. Now, when it comes to her proportions, she does have a slightly defined waist, but *every type can have a defined waist*. When we say that a dramatic body will have a straight waist, we don't mean a straight straight line, everyone can have some waist definition. The important thing is to look at a body on the whole. We need to see what a woman's most imposing features are, instead of looking at small, individual characteristics. Some softness in the cheeks and a small waist cannot change someone's yin and yang balance. So yeah, to me, she still looks like a dramatic. Do you think that she is close to any other type?
To me, the Gamine outfits make her look young, hip, cool, trendy. The Classic outfits make her look elegant, smart, well groomed, polished, grown up. I would be interested to hear what you think about celebrities who are over 60, just to see how age relates to Kibbe and styling. Red carpet & popping to the store - Judi Dench, Michelle Pfiffer, Cher, Cagney & Lacey!
I think this is an example that shows that essences of the face (like Kitchener) sometimes should be mixed in with the kibbe system. I can relate so much with this example, being quite tall and dramatic frame but a clear youthfulness and softness in my face and body mixed in I do think that Taylor is a bit more D than G though. She looks really “stretched” in the gamine outfits to me. I’ve always felt that maybe there should be some new/more options for people with a long vertical in general.
Edit: I was going to delete this comment, but I think it's better to correct it. I now realize that Taylor Swift is a Dramatic in the Kibbe system even if her style is Gamine and she has a babyface. ---------- After 3 months of learning about Kibbe, I can pat myself in the back because I thought Taylor's face had too much Yin to be Dramatic, and her body flesh isn't Yin enough to be SD, so she definitely doesn't belong in the Dramatic category. The only doubt I had was, does Taylor look good in Gamine clothes because it's her style and we're used to seeing her wearing that, or because she's truly a Gamine? I have the same issue typing myself: I can't tell if I look better with something because I'm used to it, or because it's really my lines.
I think it’s just her image that is so stuck in our head with her cute persona and her romantic typical good girl type of image that makes people blind to see she can actually look better in sleek edgy or longer lines
I’d like to point out that dramatics don’t always have the angular face. In my case, my face looked more natural or on some pics even gamin when I was younger.
I have the same issue I believe my body type is dramatic but my face is not as dramatic. My face is more youthful or Ingenue essence which seems like a contradiction. I'm fairly confident that I'm a Soft Summer which is not bold in color more muted and cool. I keep seeing descriptions of dramatic's as bold colors or back or stark contrast in their facial structor or eye or hair color which feels frustrating because not all dramatics are winters.
Miranda Kerr please! 😊😍 I think she is a soft classic but some say she is flamboyant natural because she is a victoria's secret model. Maybe you can make a victoria's secret body type video. 😄
Hermine G. She looks her best on flamboyant gamine clothing/hair/makeup imo. I was into the soft classic idea at first, but after rummaging through a lot of her pictures I realized that the soft classic suggestions look a little too yin for her
Looking at the comments, some people have suggested analysing male celebrities for their Kibbe types - I would find that fascinating. I know Aly Art did a couple of videos on this, but I would love to the topic explored more. Another thing - Some people seem to be rather offended that Merriam classified Taylor as a gamine! I would just say that I can definitely see where Merriam is coming from and even just from looking at the thumbnail of the video it was already obvious that Taylor has a far more delicate and soft face than Keira (I had guessed she was a FG rather than G, but nevermind). After all, are gamines not a mixture of opposites!? Who's to say that her height couldn't be one of her yang traits, or that gamines always have to be short? Audrey Hepburn, another gamine, is not that much shorter than Taylor, either. Regarding the statement that Taylor is a Kibbe-verified Dramatic - well, who knows how thoroughly he looks at modern celebrities? Was it an off the cuff classification in answer to someone's question, or did he inspect her pictures thoroughly? Who knows? I'd rather trust the evidence in front of my eyes and I think Merriam has presented a good case here.
These are very cherry picked photos, Taylor is undoubtedly a dramatic. She has a clear, long physical vertical line that needs accommodation, there is no getting around that, in real life people don't just see your proportions, they see your physical length. The height limits are there for a reason. But I wouldn't expect anything else from someone who types themselves as a soft gamine despite being much too tall and yang-looking. This is clearly a cope.
Yaay I knew she was a gamine, she's really cute despite being really 'dramatic' looking. Thank you for making this body typing video series, it probably takes a lot of time and patience for you to analyze these photos. Hey, could you do a body typing for Ariana Grande before and after her tanning, eyebrow lifts, lip fillers etc? Because I want to know if that changes her body type.
This notification was practically screaming at me to watch it, so here I am. Lol Edit: Oh wow, so that's why I like seeing Taylor in Gamine lines! I always wondered why she looked good with high necklines, animated prints, colourbloking, even though she was a Kibbe-verified Dramatic. That's interesting! I would like to see some Asian celebrities getting Kibbe-typed next! I always seem to type them as Gamine because of stereotypes, sigh.
kaidawisteria yes please! As a fellow Asian over 5’5”, I think I’m a flamboyant natural as there’s no curves but my limbs are long and blunt. The face is very full no matter how thin I am.
She looks great in certain clothes but ignoring bones Kibbe’s system really defeats the purpose. All of the types have height restrictions. This is important because even if we can appear to be short or tall “looking” for our height, realistically: no 6 footer is going to look meek no matter what, and no 5 footer is going to look intimidating no matter what. At 5”10 Taylor is a very tall woman. At Taylor’s height she only has two options: D types or N types. With her facial flesh alone I’d rule out D, and FN, which leaves SD, N, or SN. Taylor likes to dress like a fairy or Barbie doll, but just look her up in the all white pantsuit, or white jumpsuit. It’s definitely her best look.
@@artemisrain I think it's hard to translate directly except for Classics maybe, the videos are made with only Kibbes own examples and personally I don't think they are very good. You can of course make a separate and very similar system for men but from what I saw it seemed to be unclear when differentiating between Naturals and Dramatics because Yang or male energy in men looks very different from what we call most Yang in the Kibbe system. For example, the men called Dramatic seemed to lean more towards what I would call Naturals since things like width were mentioned as a characteristic but for Dramatic women it's not, it's angularity and sharp bones not bluntness.
She has to be a theatrical romantic. Her bones are small and narrow with slight sharpness. If not, then everything I thought i knew about kibbe body typing is wrong lol. Edit: I consider myself a TR and her and me have a similar vibe I feel. We both have long arms/legs and look taller than we are while still looking soft and dainty. It's a weird thing to describe but I just can't imagine me or Nicole being anything other than TRs.
I feel like her body type is dramatic but her face has an Ingenue essence. She is too tall to be a Gamine. Gamine's have strong Yang but are little and have a pixie features to them. The reason why some of the more dramatic outfits look off on her is partly because she is a spring season, black is too harsh of a color and too cold for her season. Black looks best on some one who is a winter season which is bright, dark and cool.
I come from Strictly Kibbe group and sadly the height limit of Gamines is 5'4'' and Taylor is way taller. David Kibbe commented himself that it's impossible to 'squeeze' the existing height. She even looks almost too tall for all the short dresses she wears. But. Here's where Kibbe system has a huge flaw I would say - what about the inner style that has nothing to do with the height or facials structure - those two most prominent features that we notice the best and the most in people? Taylor Swift does give off the Gamine vibes and I like her in most of gaminish outfits.
She is very drawn to a gamine-ish style but I don't think it flatters her too much because it doesn't really bring out her best features. She likes to wear a lot high waisted things and it makes her waist look really long and it doesn't really do much. She wears some fitted things which sort of flatter her sometimes but I almost want to see her in less structured things because I feel it would complement her well and make her look less like awkward
I thought you might say Gamine because you are also a tall Gamine ;) I remember you saying "Height is only one answer on the test", it's not more important than any other answer. The true test is always how the clothes look on the person and I agree she looks best in Gamine looks.
She's a soft dramatic. It's especially more apparent now that she gained some weight and isn't as skinny. She really mirrors the lines of Monica Belucci really well, who is also Soft Dramatic. Taylor prefers to dress in Gamine lines but she looks great is soft dramatic lines.
have you seen the latest video clip of Taylor swift? it's called "The Man" in this video, her bone structure shows how Dramatic body type she is. I believe she is a dramatic indeed not a gamine. even the title is showing her strong essence :)
I think that gamine style doesn't particularly flatter her because I feel she has long limbs because she looks tall and is very dainty appearance. When I look at Taylor swift I think she is a classic. I also think of a dainty deer lol... because she looks very delicate. She doesn't look good in gamine style because it makes her look childish and comes off a bit harsh on her body structure
Taylor was trying to wear “natural” kind of style at the new Ellen show, which made her so different. Maybe people can check that video if interested. And how about french style icons, such as Charlotte Gainsbourg, Jane Birkin and Jeanne Damas etc.. it would be fun to see a comparison of body types within these ladies. :) Finally maybe some Asian celebrities can be analyzed. Thank you for great content.
@@cinderling5472 Pink looks like a Dramatic to me, at least she can appear very dramatic. And not just in flashy punk clothing, in her softer videos too.
I think you're right. Funny thing is, I have seen Taylor Swift as 'proof' that Kibbe's system doesn't work because she is a dramatic and doesn't look good in dramatic lines...Well, she isn't a dramatic! Another one I have seen that 'debunked' kibbe is gwendoline Christie. "Her body may be dramatic, but her face is ingenue and ethereal...She doesn't look good in dramatic lines but looks good in ethereal lines...Kibbe is wrong, his system doesn't work!" well, of course dramatic lines don't look good on her, she's a soft dramatic! Which is very similar to ethereal in lines... Also, Lily James.I think she is a soft classic, but there are some things that don't completely add up.
@Gitte, yes I've seen that too.....a part of why I did this video actually! I remember reading something like that long ago! It might be fun to actually type people well who are said to be 'proof' that Kibbe's system doesn't work.
Please type Jenny Mustard! Swedish fashion influencer. She has a really cool and unusual mix - really tall, slim, but wider hips, small head but face only round features. Som kind of Natural? Gamine? Would be so fun to hear your thoughts! 😊🏵️😊💗
I think sh'es also a gamine just going off of what lines seem to look best on her. Also, if she were shorter, we would all say gamine the second we looked at her. We should be careful not to let one answer deter us. She wears a lot of dramatic lines on Instagram, but I think they make her look a little childish, like she's playing dress up in daddy's clothes. In the pics where she's wearing proper gamine lines, she looks so good. Horizontal stripes are amazing for her. The short skirts and boxy tops suit here well. But when she gets too out there and into flamboyant gamine craziness, she looks overdone. So I would say gamine.
Please do Dua Lipa! I've seen her typed as Flamboyant Natutal & Flamboyant Gamine. Also please do a special video for pure Gamines & Flamboyant Gamines. I'm sick of only seeing tomboyish recommendations for them.
She's a Dramatic. According to Kibbe face is irrelevant when determining body type and someone as tall as Taylor can only be Dramatic, Soft Dramatic or Flamboyant Natural. Also Kibbe has since Metamorphosis came out changed his mind about the pure Gamine, Natural and Classic types and said that they don't exist. Merriam has a lot of good and interesting points especially regarding color theory but for learning more about Kibbe's theories (from the man himself) I recommend joining the Strictly Kibbe group on Facebook.
@@yasmink4780 Kibbe is of the belief that most celebrities are in fact shorter than the height they're listed as. So when he typed Hepburn (Flamboyant Gamine) he must've assumed that she is shorter than 5'7", if he had met her and seen that she indeed was that height he probably would've assigned her a different type. I believe the same goes for Grace Kelly who he considers to be Soft Classic (5'6' is about as tall as they can be) but who is listed as 5'8".
I think they beauty of Kibbe's typing lies in the vibes of the types too. I don't see Taylor as being "regal" as dramatics are described, nor classic. However, gamine description fits her spirit better: "piquant chic". On some blog there was also this interesting guide that makes you think what is your "breakthrough role". What are you playing? Femme fatale, girl next door, street urchin... I find that fun and quite fitting to the Kibbe types. I think it's usually pretty telling what the real actors' break through roles were too. Do you type men too? I think Taylor is similar to Nicholas Hoult, tall, depicted dramatic at first glance... But is he a gamine? I struggle seeing Kirsten Dunst as soft classic, though she is verified by Kibbe. I don't think her features are that balanced. What do you think about Cara Delevigne, Natalie Dormer and Hannah Murray? They seem like some type of gamine to me, but the two first mentioned have been (I guess) verified as naturals. Maybe I'm confusing ingenue essence with being gamine.
Hi, regarding Kirsten Dunst I didn't find her too classic looking much myself either but seeing Merriam's video for soft classics where there are many photos of Kirsten in the SC outfits I do see how she glows up in them.
Wow, you really know your stuff! I just wanted to say I agree with you and am also very curious about Cara, but she's likely a Yang type... Not much softness I think.. What about you?
I think you may have briefly touched on Mila Kunis being a theatrical romantic. I know Madonna and Mila Kunis are not obviously romantic Kibbe-verified romantics. A video on breaking down the yin and yang parts of their body's would be interesting.
I may be wrong, but i think the stacatto thing was about the recommended lines and not the body itself. And also the vertical line is just one yang answer and gamine is a mix of yin and yang answers so that can totally happen. I feel like gamines always being short is just one of those stereotypes that prevent system from effectively working idk
actually the whole point of a gamine is a blatant mix of ying and yang. many gamines are known for having long limbs. audrey hepburn is one of them. she has quite long arms and legs. flamboyant gamine is especially known for having long arms. they tend to call it a petite vertical line. because they have a long vertical line, but then look very delicate or the line can appear broken. and i certainly wouldn't type gamine as being wide, which is what is associated with stacatto. twiggy was also a gamine. they have long arms and small hands. tailors torso also looks short in comparison to the rest of her body. while most dramatics dont look like they have short torsos, nor do they have sloped and rounded shoulders like tailor does. though some gamines can be wide - it just doesn't appear to be common in the gamines i have seen (that have been kibbe verified typed, or typed by Northrup or McKinsey, or by any of the various you tubers who do typing). and I completely agree with Jenny Penny, this height obsession that kibbe followers have just prevents the system from working correctly. she looks small and delicate regardless of her vertical line.
They are short. Kibbe does not allow for tall gamines or short dramatics. People always want to fight this but really, it’s easily understood: gamine (childishness) in 6” people, isn’t really a thing; nor is a Amazonian/statuesque woman standing at 4”11....just doesn’t happen. She’s a dramatic or natural, who likes to wear baby doll clothes. Aubrey Hepburn isn’t comprable - she was malnourished (well documented) and at 88 pounds, who is to say if her healthier body weight at 5”7 would wear clothes the same way.
When you look at her in pictures of women's suits or more structured outfits it's clear her bone structure is dramatic. I feel it's even more clear now that she gained weight. She looks good in gamine influenced clothes because she has a bit of that essence in her face structure.
Thanks for series about dramatics... I am a dramatic, and felt like a very ugly transexual in any clothes, against the background of friends who are romantics. And when I learned about the theory of Kibby, was upset by such a narrow choice of clothes. You gave me confidence and a different look at my situation, thank you
I am flamboyant Natural and always felt the same 😅😅😅 Like you look at all the cute stuff and ALL the dress that are fitted at the waist or tones of little tiny florals prints and frills. thinking "onhh thats cute " try it on .LOOKS HORRIBLE But i don't know why 😭 Now I feel much better and confident understanding why it doesn't work . ☺️😊😊😊
Drape baby drape! I felt the same. Like a giant among my Asian petite and pretty counterparts. But they envy my long lines and height. So it’s a trade. Lol
Don't be insecure! I personally love sleek and stunning Dramatic vibes, they're so interesting to look at, and usually quite unique and striking.. You have majestic features 💜😍
She doesnt look good in the example of a suit you show her wearing but that doesnt mean she isnt dramatic. That horrible yellow blazer with pink tie and the heavy makeup would look bad on anyone!
But what good is this method if the only purpose becomes just to put someone in a category? Isn't the purpose instead to define which kind of clothing best enhances the figure? Taylor Swift might be two and a half meters tall, but the style recommended for the Gamine is the one which makes her look at her best, which makes her special! Ok, dressed like the dramtics she looks pretty good, because she has a beautiful figure that suits many lines, but all in all in Dramatic lines she is quite dull and without spice. Who cares how tall she is? (Incidentally, she seemed rather small to me: until I saw her beside Madonna and I was stunned because she is a giant! One thing that does quite at odds with its overall appearance, but which is also her peculiarity). In the end, tall or short, I think this video really makes the point: dressed as Gamine she is absolutely perfect, delightful and vibrant!
Agree. She doesn't look as vibrant when she dress in dramatic lines as in gamine, she does really need the clothes that "fit her", not over sized as a dramatic.
She is most definitely a dramatic. If you look more of her pictures wearing dramatic lines you can see that. The examples shown in this video don't represent dramatics. And when she wears gamine clothing they don't show her true essence. It's a tall woman dressed in a little girl's clothes. Sorry, but let's just be honest here just because you want her to be a gamine that doesn't make her one...
I'd also be curious if you want to give me some links of her in dramatic lines so I could take a look, and also not sure what you mean that this video doesn't represent dramatics?
Merriam, thank you for replying. As you said, we could be debating this all day long. Sorry if the tone seemed harsh, that wasn't my intention, I completely agree with most of your view points, especially when it comes to your color system analysis, I find it the most accurate in relation to whatever I've seen so far, however in this case I simply disagree. Taylor (and I am not a fan or anything) has a dramatic body. Yes, her face has some softness, we can say that for sure, but that doesn't change the magority of the lines. Oversized clothes, a man's suit for instance (and in the most unflattering color on Taylor) don't necessarily represent dramatics. I will try to link the fotos l m referring to. In the end its all about finding one's true style so l believe you are doing an amazing job
@@katiag4831 Yes, dramatic lines are often misunderstood, this is a part of why I wanted to take a look at some examples you could give to make sure they aren't actually gamine lines after all. Taylor is warm, so it's not the color of the suit that's the issue (although it is a bit too pastelly)! Lots of people seem to think the example of the yellow suit is unfair.....but sadly, it's exactly fair, you could watch the music video 'Me' and see this suit in action on her. It can be hard for people to see past Taylor's dramatic skeleton, even though she looks better in gamine, people just get hung up on the height.
I can definitely see than in Lilly Cole. The truth is, Taylor wears gamine lines all the time, in everyday life and on stage.... On the red carpet it's usually a combination of gamine and dramatic lines... MAN! You got me there! The combination of opposites in an unexpected way, that IS a gamine! Merriam, you were right in the first place!... I don't know... I guess I kind of have this fixed idea in my mind that gamine means very short...
Taylor herself always says people don't expect her to be as tall as she is in person. I always thought she was 5'6 like me😂 she definitly has a short vertical line
She definitly looks good in gamine lines. But something feels off. I don't see the typical gamine vibe in her. She doesn't look that young and vibrant. Look at pictures of her next to Sarah Hyland (a soft gamine). Taylor looks like a grown women, while Sarah almost looks like her daughter and they are the same age.
As I have mentioned on Lily Cole's video (and I'm not Kibbe enthusiast by no means), cherry picking photos can lead to wrong conclusions. Photos are not real life. Movement, angle, light can be very, very deceiving. I truly appreciate your effort and incredible work and thoughtfulness you put into your content. However, I can't agree on a hypothesis that height is not important for the body lines/type of clothing that looks good on us. We are dressing our body, not our face which can match our body type or not. Carefully styling our best lines and our make up/hair, we can achieve harmony, or pull off disharmony, a contrast which can be also interesting and aesthetically appealing. Chosen outfits simply don't fit her properly and are wrong choice for her within her best lines. She is wearing oversize, ill fitting yellow suit which was most probably taken from men's department. Suit inspired by men's lines should be made to fit female body in shape and size. When done right, men's inspired clothes on female body can look very powerful and erotic. Taylor is rocking this white tailored suit which would suit fabulously tall/yang bone structure types like D, SD and FN. Her mostly soft face looks great in them as well. White suit has very D lines with touch of SD, but her sandals soften the look making connection with her face, whilst her dramatic, straight lined hairdo and slightly dramatic make up support clean, sharp lines of the suit. Her bangs are touch of softness which ties well with rounded edges of the jacket and with not overly soft sandals (essentially geometric, although oval shaped design). She looks stunning and very well put together here. Black suit is also matched to her geometric, straight hairdo and minimal make up with dramatic toe nail polish. Both looks are very well thought out. i.pinimg.com/originals/d6/1e/93/d61e933d02c95cee35190096911cbc49.jpg mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/taylor-swift-glamour-uk-2-1429898664.jpg?quality=.8&height=1200&width=800
I checked the white suit you refer, it is a very fitted suit with waist emphasis, it is a classic line (maximum dramatic classic line) , not dramatic line tho. Btw I dived in to see Tylor in different styles, I do think she need very fitted and more details in her outfit, plain outfit makes her look dull, drag her down a little bit.
@@JW-uq9yt It's a mistake that D lines look like male's clothes. It is a male like cut, but adjusted to female body. That's why Taylor looks rubbish in oversize men's suits she used to wear on stage. The white suit is how D lines look on female body - if they are adjusted to fit her properly. The misconception about D body image derives from the fact that key image for D's is Tilda S. who is not just D, she is androgynous which is entirely different aesthetics. Lauren Bacall, Milla Jovovich, Cate Blanchett are D's. Taylor's face and body image don't match and her outfits need certain 'sync' approach, to make them work for both her face and her body. Besides, Kibbe insists that 'there is no certain body image lines' (pretty incoherent IMO), but all body images can wear all lines if adjusted to them properly. If you check oldies (moves from 50's i.e.) you'll find out that most of Hollywood stars who are faces for certain Kibbe body images are wearing everything but what they were supposed to according to Kibbe. Marilyn was so rarely seen in frills, bows and almost never in florals, i.e. I don't see much sense in Kibbe, frankly. All tall women are squeezed into 3 types while it's obvious that more types are needed to suit all body images that taller ladies may have. Especially those who are tall, but not lush enough to fit SD, dry or straight enough to fit D or athletic and straight enough to fit FN. To my eyes, Nicole Kidman is not FN, Cate Blanchet is not D...etc. I see Taylor and Lilly Cole, i.e, just like the majority of super models in the missing category, where tall, lean but well defined although not overly lush women would fit perfectly. i.pinimg.com/originals/38/a5/b8/38a5b8c85c02a6fe396fa344688795d9.jpg www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/celebrities/taylor-swift/bikini-in-perth-australia/Taylor%20Swift%20In%20Black%20and%20White%20bikini%20in%20Perth,%20Australia-15.jpg
@@blueice011 the suit isn't really dramatic line, dear, the length of the pans should have been longer and wider to be more of a dramatic line, the shoulders fitting would have been slightly wider too (not ill fitting but on the loose fit side as a normal suit should) the white suit is a very fitted line, and shorter to be considered as a dramatic line. Of course, you cab have your own opinion tho.
@@blueice011 in terms of the bikini body you refer to, her shoulders appeared to be sloped, hands and feet small, waist bust and hips moderate, head is rather big for her hight, arms fleshy rather than muscled, cheeks soft and full, chin is chiselled not sharp as well...
@@JW-uq9yt I understand your point. From my point of view, anything tailored, fitted and/or structured or made of stiff material is rather yang and dramatic when it comes to vibe and aesthetic. Softened edges make nice balance with her soft face, but in general, the suit has long lines, it's very fitted, tailored and structured, giving feminine tux 3 piece vibe. The trousers are not cropped, neither is the blazer. To me, it's a D line suit with softened edges which would look good on many different body images. Regarding her body image, I still feel that Kibbe doesn't cater to tall people and that quite a few types for taller ladies are missing in his system as well as update when it comes to height limitations. Many tall women are mistyped just because they are tall. Kibbe needs to deal with basic principles which are incoherent, biased and inconsistent. He typed some people based on their face, others based on their body lines, just height or 'vibe'. It makes sense only to him, which is fine. but rather confusing and impossible for many people to get practical value from it.
Kristen Stewart NEXT! I have been always thinking about whether she is a dramatic classic, she likes gamine lines but in my opinion she doesn't look good in it!
Addition: I never thought that I could be a Gamine because I'm 5'8", so I always thought I was a Classic. Now I wonder if I should reconsider... The thing is, Gamine is a mixture of different characteristics, so why aren't most people gamines? Should gamine be divided into more subsections?
Frieda Livery I heard someone say most people are naturals but I agree with you, I see so many of what seems to be gamine types when I’m out and about. The gamine category needs to be updated.
It's not just a mixture that makes a Gamine but I do think that FG could possibly be divided into Dramatic leaning (Twiggy, Audrey Hepburn) and Natural leaning (Kelly Osbourne, Tina Turner and possibly Lady Gaga) but that would still leave the "in the middle" FG. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@MalikahJ umm not really. Gamines have to be an almost equal mixture of opposites. Most people have primarily one type of feature and the other features while present aren't enough to make someone a Gamine.
MERRIAM! I love this video! I won’t spoil it in the comments yet, but this was such an interesting video. I may need to reconsider my Kibbe type. Some celebrities I’d like to see are: Camilla Belle (DC?), Irina Shayk (FN or SD?), Emily Ratajkowski, and Anne Hathaway (FN or SD?).
Merriam, you are a Kibbe genius! Haha. Could you do this video for Natalie Portman, Jessica Chastain, and/or Lily James? I've seen conflicting opinions online of these ladies various kibbe types. Especially Natalie Portman, who is either dubbed a gamine or soft classic. Some other interesting options could be: Megan Fox, Adelaide Kane, Mila Kunis, Angelina Jolie. :)
I’d be interested in Kate Winslet. I believe she’s verified as Romantic, but it would be interesting to see why, as she has unusual features such as large feet.
Wow never would have thought Taylor Swift is a gamine - this video is so illuminating. I still can't see how Lucy Liu can be a Dramatic. She seems so short and dainty. I thought she would be a gamine and not the other way around. Thanks for these videos!
I was inspired by Shawn Mendes's new song Senorita. 😂 What's Camila Cabello's body type? My first thought was that she could be Theatrical Romantic, but I'm not sure. And I would like to see how you'd type Shawn Mendes also! Or just male celebrities in general!
I think Camila might be a soft gamime? I feel like her head is big in comparison to her body and I think I've heard that that's a gamine trait. Also her bones to me seem to look like that of a soft gamime. I feel like if she was a TR she would look more dainty. I'm a TR myself and I've compared myself to her before and I feel like her bone structure is different than mine. Like her bones seem a bit bigger even though she's still petite like me, idk it's weird to describe.
@@kaidawisteria haha it's ok I still manage to get them confused a lot as well. But gamines are made up of a mixture of opposites whereas TR's are very soft and dainty all over with slight sharpness. Also, gamines tend to always look young and compared to TRs you can see that. TRs usually look like very petite/slim women whereas gamines tend to look child-like, but i don't mean that in a bad way. Gamines are badass and can pull off the best styles imo.
KandyKotton now that I look at pics of her she seems like a TR but just based on her body. It looks small and soft all over but her head seems bigger in comparison to her body. I mean she could just be like Mila Kunis who is a TR and has the same situation going on.
I had my doubts about Taylor being a dramatic. Her body didn't seem dry enough and her face had too much softness including in her nose. Also that wavy curly side swept hair didn't look separate from her like it should on a dramatic.
Another great video. I would like to see mature women in soft gamine/gamine. How to dress without looking childish. Also, I think I am a soft gamine but still confused.Is it possible that my head/face is one body type and my body another? Ty
Brilliant! I love when you challenge the established (mis)conceptions! What's Kibbe's theory to say tall women can be just Dramatics/Soft Dramatics or Flamboyant Naturals? (If I got that part right). The length in their skeleton bones? I agree with you (from my limited knowledge), and you have already identified two tall women as belonging to the Gamine Family (Lily Cole and Taylor Swift), what makes me wonder if there's more to the Kibbe theory than the already confusing basics. As for a celebrity: I would love to see your take on Geena Davis. Since she's been in the public eye for so long, it would be interesting to understand how her body type remains whilst her actual body evolves over the years. Thank you for your hard work!
WAT. I can't unsee it now, but WUT. Is Eleanor Tomlinson a Soft Dramatic? Such long bones, but very fleshy face. And yes, I'd love to see thoughts on Sophie Turner.
Didn't age well did it? Lol I saw you mistype alot of Kibbe verified Celebrities. She is obviously a Dramatic you can't just ignore height just because it doesn't make sense to you
The fact that she just look SOOO YOUNG like 14-16 and she's almost 30 😱😭😭😭 tells a lot about that she is NOT dramatic. In my opinion Dramatic never really look super young , they usually look more "mature" .
I agree. I've always felt she had a young vibe to her but I guess that's just her gamine bone structure for everyone lol. And I agree on the dramatic thing too. I've seen a video here on youtube where a girl goes around asking people to rate her looks. People in the comments kept saying she looked like she was in her 30's despite her actual age being 22. Her bone structure was very sharp, but I don't think she's a dramatic because her height seemed shorter. I think she might've been a dramatic classic or a flamboyant gamine.
Yes! I was watching this Brazilian movie and I saw this actress called Sophie Charlotte and it’s the exact same thing as Taylor Swift! She looks crazy good with boyish haircut and gamine clothing 😍 at first I thought she was some kind of natural body type because of her shoulders and height but she’s definitely a Gamine!
Aly Art did a video about Kim Kardashian's real body type versus what she was trying to achieve with surgery. How about an analysis on celebs that have changed their body types? It would also be interesting to see more videos like these, with compilatios on celebs that often get misstyped!
Could you do blackpink? (Korean girlgroup) (i’d love to see bodytyping for them) *btw this is what i think they are* - Jisoo/Kim jisoo : (black hair, 5’4? *atleast under 5’5*, fleshy, large hands, average feet, rectangular, a larger nose imo, small lips, short vertical line, small face) my guess is SG/TR (maybe??) - Jennie/Kim Jennie : (fleshy, broader shoulders, 5’3? *also under 5’5 ft*, smaller hands, smaller feet, average lips, soft cheeks, short vertical line, small face, small nose) my guess is FG/SG - Rosé/Park Chaeyoung : (5’6 ft, large hands, slender and lean, large feet, large face, longer nose, small lips, tiny waist, broad shoulders, long vertical line ) my guess is D (but i could be wrong too) - Lisa/Lalisa manoban (5’5, slender and lean, long legs, large round eyes, large hands, large feet, long vertical line, small face, small nose, broad shoulders) my guess is FN Edit: Lisa is thai the rest is Korean
Oh hey, I typed them on a Pinterest board if you're interested: www.pinterest.de/CianaPullen/celebs-kibbe-typed-by-me/ My thoughts: Rosé TR; Lisa SG; Jisoo and Jennie SN. I had to go with the overall first impression rather than your proper breakdown of their hands, feet, etc., because I have trouble Kibbe-typing very thin people (I just need more practice I guess!). -Jisoo's jaw, chin and shoulders seemed ever-so-slightly blunt and wide to me and she seems strong and sporty; paired with her curvier waist and thighs and open rounded facial features I went with SN. -I thought Rosé seemed TR in the same way Rihanna does; a bit on the tall side but has a delicate, sultry aura and "adult womanly" look especially with her eyes, fingers and joints. That old-Hollywood wavy auburn hair is amazing on her. I wish I could find some picturess of her in D looks now that you mention it though. -It's funny that the only one I thought was SG (Lisa) is the only one you didn't think is SG :) I see what you mean about her FN shoulders. I think her face looks doll-like with its round outline and wide-set round eyes. I think she looks so good in those gamine lines but maybe she's more of a FG than SG. -Jennie has those blunt shoulders and looks so amazing in a long, unconstructed vertical line. Though the FG lines and graphic funky looks are nice on her too, now that you point it out.
What I love about your videos is that you really take the time to explain why you feel the way you do about a subject and you show multiple examples, so the viewer can also see it! So many people who do colour and body analysis say, “I hope you see what I see...” then they might explain a little, but they don’t show multiple examples and explain their process. You do do this, and it’s extremely informative. I’m 6’ tall, but have come to the conclusion-through a lot of personal analysis and comparisons-that, just the same, I am a Dramatic Classic body type. In addition, I regularly hear that you cannot wear this or that colour, if you are a particular body/face type. But I don’t agree at all. It seems to me, that it is extremely limiting to say that a person who exhibits a lot of yang-or dramatic- elements to their frame or face, cannot also be soft, cool and muted. I don’t think that being labeled “dynamic” or “earthy” automatically means a person has to wear Autumn type colours. (See Dressing Your Truth). It may not work for the person to follow warm colouring. Dramatic, dynamic and so-called “earthy” aesthetics can also be displayed through dramatic and classic lines in cool and soft/muted colours - why not? Who says that they can’t? That’s my observation anyway. Please keep up the amazing work! Many thanks 💜
Aw thank you for taking the time to leave such a thoughtful comment! I agree about the colors not having to be limited by the body type, especially because it's all so relative. A cool red might look quite soft on a cool and radiant lady, but quite bright on a cool and delicate lady for example. So we sort of have to take that into account as well. So if we have a cool and delicate gamine for example,they might look great with cool red, but if we have a cool and radiant gamine, they might be better off going for fuchsia!
Definitely most gamines are small and short, but since Taylor has a mixture of opposites in her bones, body's flesh, and facial feature, she is a gamine!
Great video, Mirriam! I always thought Taylor was too cute and girlish to be Dramatic. Your explanations therefore make perfect sense. Maybe you could mention in some of your next videos to which type belong Margot Robbie and Daisy Ridley? I think Daisy is Dramatic Classic, but Im not 100% sure. And Margot is also tough to figure out. I think Ive seen you type her as a Soft Natural, but I think she looks really great in fitted sharp but balanced silhouette of Dramatic Classic, so... Im not really sure which is her type.
Yay, I also think Margo looks great in DC, especially hair and minimal detail, she looks so sophisticated, and natural is just...unimpressive on her I guess?
I would sooo love a video on Carey Mulligan, as she is one of my favourite actresses. I'd type her as a gamine (like Taylor), but I believe some people think she is a dramatic or theatrical romantic.
I always assumed that the online consensus was that Taylor was a classic or dramatic classic, but I never looked that close at her face or body, but anyway you make a pretty good case and you’re probably right
I always thought height determined whether or not you’re dramatic. But yes she looks so good in 60s mod wear and boho too. Have you seen her Patty Boyd interview spread In vogue magazine? I thought it suited her so well but felt awkward too since she’s so gamine with her very small narrow features.
What an interesting case study! I think Taylor Swift is very tall so gamine wouldn’t be the first thing to come to mind. She actually seems a bit gangly (this is my own opinion), and yet her face has softness/yin, so I wouldn’t guess dramatic either. What seems gamine in her face is the up turn at the corners of her lips and eyes. It looks mischievous. She does look best in pure gamine lines. I did like her in the long dramatic dress where you played with the choker (either adding it or erasing it). I didn’t care for the choker myself, I though the dress was more elegant without it. BUT the solid long block of color on that dress was broken by the split in front where the leg showed, which I thought is what made that dress look nice on her. Anyway, I can see what you see in this one, and it’s interesting to me how height is not really the main factor in determining Kibbe type.
As soon as I learned about Kibbe types, I’ve been curious about the type of the late Princess Diana. My best guess is she is a dramatic or soft dramatic but I am always wrong typing people it seems.
Is it at all possible for a pure romantic to give a yang impression? All of my answers are E as far as I can tell, have a very pronounced chest, and I look good in pure romantic lines, but I'm uncomfortable when I appear so womanly. Is there anything I can do to dress with more yang without looking terrible?
I see her more as a Dramatic Classic. She has a very symmetrical look in general, but with a long vertical line. Also most of these pictures are from the time that she was admittedly anorexic, her body is really different now.
Megan Fox next.
Some say she’s theatrical romantic, some say she’s dramatic classic and some say she’s soft natural.
oh yes please. I have the same body type as Megan but I have no idea what that even is lol
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I think she's dramatic classic as she kinda has a balanced look to her whilst being a bit more sharp?
I am guessing dramatic classic
You have to keep in mind that she's done quite a lot of plastic surgeries and botox. She was WAY softer looking before.
Not a celebrity request but it may be useful to continue this as a series - where you show how one type can have many different variations or look confusing/unexpected. It's so confusing when you think you've settled on a type and then you see the examples and you think "oh I don't look like that so I must not be that type". I especially like when you talk about the "overall effect" and how one contrasting answer doesn't tip the balance.
Thats a great idea, please do that! I'm still very confused about my type and I think it might be bacause of these varations.
Yes! That’s a great idea 💡.
Agreed. I feel like I have a SN body but my face looks nothing like the Kibbe SN examples. Too round and soft. :P
@@ladyvignette Many SN's have soft and round faces, though. I think they can be easily mistaken for Romantics if they don't have that obvious strenght to them at first glance.
I don't quite understand the argument that she's too cutesy to be a Dramatic. Being a Dramatic does not equal being regal, sophisticated etc. It only tells you the lines that you look best in, not what style or persona you should adopt. There's even a video on this channel on how a Soft Dramatic can adopt a kawaii style. There's a lot of misinformation being spread in the Kibbe community and this comment section certainly reflects that. Kibbe's name should not be attached to any argument suggesting that Taylor Swift is a Gamine as it goes directly against Kibbe's teachings. Merriam, I wish you would be more transparent about the fact that the method you use to determine people's body types is not purely based on the Kibbe system, especially considering the fact that you charge money from people who wish to know their Kibbe type.
But what if, as is the case with Taylor, she doesn't look good in the Dramatic lines?
I hadn't known that Kibbe classified her as a dramatic, but he has reclassified people in the past (even from theatrical romantic to flamboyant natural, I'm sure you know!), so I'm holding out hope that he'll reclassify Taylor!
It would actually be very dishonest of me to say that I don't use Kibbe's system, because it wouldn't give credit where credit is due. People know that I'm not affiliated with Kibbe, and I don't pretend to be, and they also know that it's my own interpretation. Sometimes you don't always have to say 'this is my opinion this is my opinion' over and over again......of course, it's my opinion.
About charging money for body typing, I'm fortunate to make a bit of money doing what I love. I'm a personal stylist and I'm still developing my philosophy, but I use many tools to help my clients, not only Kibbe's system. Although I love Kibbe body typing and think it's one of the best tools out there, I also use other tools such as ethereal typology, and my own color analysis system that has nothing to do with Kibbe at all. I just try to use the best out there, and give credit where credit is due (for example with Kitchener as well).
My clients pay for my opinion because they think it's valuable enough and maybe they like what they see from my videos in terms of my philosophy and approach to personal style, and I'm happy and grateful for that.
They know that it's 'my thoughts' on their body type, and I even have a disclaimer at the end of the style report sample that says only Kibbe himself can give you your Kibbe body type, and I make it clear enough that people are paying for my interpretation.
Maybe I'll make a video about it and share my thoughts just to be sure that everyone knows that it's my interpretation.....................but I'm pretty sure everyone knows.
If I had known that Kibbe had classified Taylor as dramatic, I would have said so in the video, or not made the video at all. It wasn't meant to be misinformation!
Oh wait I just reread even the first part of your comment too Swoopiify....very strange that you interpreted that I think Taylor is gamine somehow because she's cute.....that's not what I said in the video at all, and I would never in my life say that, I think that's a very harmful stereotype. I say that body type is a set of lines and not a style as often as humanly possible.......I just have no idea how you got that.
The only thing I can even think of is that I said she looked cute in a dress. Can I not say that Taylor 'looks cute'....as in, colloquially 'looks cute in that dress'. very strange! Did I ever say that she 'was cute' and that it ever had anything to do with her type--I don't think I did??
@@merriamstyle The first part of my comment was more in response to what I've seen others write in the comments, because you did indeed not use that argument. I'm sorry I may have come across too harshly, I don't mean to disrespect you as your work actually has been very helpful to me. Your theory on colors are brilliant and have been very eye opening to me. You also have very interesting ideas about body types though I personally don't agree with everything (Taylor being a Gamine for example). What I find a bit frustrating is just that Kibbe's name is being attached to various things here on the internet that actually doesn't correlate with his teachings and he has expressed frustration over that. I do think that may be partly his own fault though since the only resources available are an out of print book from the 80s and a closed group on Facebook where he'll occasionally post. There has been some changes in his theories over the years but he hasn't done much to spread the word around so no wonder people are confused.
I don't have a problem with you making money off of this, but I think it's important when you're inspired by someone that you don't let clients believe that it's Kibbe typing them because essentially the only one who can type according to Kibbe is Kibbe himself, the rest of us can only guess.
Thank you for your kind words, and completely agreed on that last paragraph as well! I'll double check my booking pages and make sure they're clear on that!
Ok, I've been thinking about this a lot and I'm not persuaded by it and I'll tell you why.
A major part of the argument here involves contrasting Taylor Swift with Keira Knightley, but Keira Knightley isn't the template for Dramatics. I'm not a Kibbe cultist by any means, but consider the range of women he types as Dramatic: Cate Blanchett, Claire Danes, Maggie Smith, Tilda Swinton, Kate Moss. They all look quite different superficially, but they can all be characterized as having features that are sharp, angular, prominant, and elongated. So simply contrasting Taylor Swift with Keira Knightley isn't a sufficient basis for concluding they are different types.
(On the other end of the spectrum, think how different these Romantics are: Drew Barrymore, Beyonce, Christina Ricci, Elizabeth Taylor...)
Taylor Swift likes to wear gamine looks, and they're fine because she's beautiful and slim, and some are better than others, but in general I think they make her look like a giant. She *looks* tall. Watching video of her, it's clear how strong (yang) her bone structure is. Photos can be deceiving. Watch video of a few Dramatics, then watch video of a few Gamines. In motion, you can see a big difference in the "weight" of their bones.
Taylor Swift also pulls off a blunt, heavy fringe/bang as only a Dramatic can. I think that hairstyle would be too heavy on a Gamine. (Google Cate Blanchett with bangs for an interesting comparison.)
At root, I think the issue here is a too-narrow idea of Dramatics that, to be honest, I think begins with Merriam. I understand she's typed herself as a Soft Gamine. I know we can only see her face, but I don't see any softness in her face at all. She has a square jaw, prominent cheekbones, narrow and straight eyes, thin lips. (Compare a young Maggie Smith, a Dramatic. Also watch videos of Aly Art or Jenna Coleman, Soft Gamines, to see how much finer their bone structure is.)
YES! I absolutely agree with your approach to analysis!
I almost want to agree with you but how would you get any gamine answers for her skeleton? Her face is very cute and gamine but her body is visibly long, angular. She looks tall, she looks slim. Her shoulders don't taper much, in my opinion, they aren't soft shoulders. I mean I am torn in this one.
I think she has a C shoulder, flesh is D, legs and arms are A, vertical line is A, but hands and feet are D? What do you think?
Her joints seem really delicate and pokey in a way that Dramatic isn't, but IDK how that would show up on the Kibbe test. Her bones seem delicate like bird bones, almost "D" answer.
I’m very certain that Taylor is dramatic with ingenue essence. If you covered Taylor’s eyes, nose and mouth...you can see that she’s a dramatic, she’s tall, with a narrow frame, sharp bones, taut flesh, long hands and feet. Same thing with Lily Cole, cover her face, and she’s soft dramatic. They’re both young and both have that youthful/gamine/ingenue essence. That youthful essence can be brought out in photo shoots, on catwalks and on stages, through gamine/ingenue stylization and they will look ‘cute’ and they will stand out...but imagine if they were non-celebrities? they would look abit silly walking around town in lines meant for smaller, shorter people.
@@fatoumfatoumeh Body typing isn't an essence. She's a soft gamine because she's a random mixture of Yin and Yang, you don't have to be short to be in the gamine category and her body is too curvy and too soft to be dramatic. She looks shorter, has a curvy body, and has a child-like face.
Pink You need to understand the meaning of the word ‘gamine’, and the history behind the term. Gamine is used to refer to women who are ‘petite with a boyish charm’ (eg. Natalie Portman, Winona Ryder, Kelly Osbourne, Lady Gaga) or delicately ‘waif-ish’ (Twiggy and Audrey Hepburn), ie. They are small in size, with a short vertical line, and often with a larger head relative to their body (their proportions are abit child-like or like a young teen to describe it best)...this is where their Yin comes from, otherwise they wouldn’t be gamine. Taylor Swift looks very tall, slim. She looks more like a runaway model than a petite waif. She has a cute girlish face, but it’s a dramatic face still, on a tall, narrow and sleek dramatic body. It doesn’t matter if there is abit of added flesh, the overall impression is tall and narrow rather than small, and that is what makes one a ‘dramatic’. I am with Kibbe on this one. Taylor looks great in color-blocking, but so do a lot of dramatics and dramatic classics (you can look up Amal Clooney, Courtney Cox, Jackie O, etc). In those pictures where Taylor dresses cutesy, she was younger, more ingenue looking. Young fashion models (with Taylor’s proportions) are made to wear girly, cutesy stuff in photo shoots and on runways all the time, and it looks fun and cute, because it’s age-appropriate and because it’s something people expect pretty young girls to wear, regardless of their height or shape...not because all those tall girls are gamines. These days Taylor looks more womanly, and more of a dramatic, those short lines don’t work as well. Have you seen in her in dramatic and dramatic classic outfits? She looks fantastic in long lines...you’re definitely not a gamine if long lines in clothing look good on you.
David kibbe no longer uses gamine, classic, or natural anymore. Taylor is a kibbe verified dramatic. This is his system that he created so only he can say for sure. I agree that she does look good in gamine outfits but that doesn’t change her image ID. Personal style is not the same as an image ID and David actually says this. Katy Perry is a soft natural and looks great in her gamine looks as well but she’s still a soft natural. It’s all about someone’s personal yin and yang balance. Not every dramatic looks like Tilda Swinton and not every dramatic will look good every tailored suit because everyone is different. The test from the book Metamorphosis is one that he no longer uses today. It was written in 1988 so he has updated his system and how he determines someone’s yin and yang balance. He says to not compare celebrities because it causes confusion and that just looking at some pictures is not enough to determine someone’s body type.
I understand your process but I don't see gamine for Taylor swift, The most noticeable thing about her is lenght, long narrow sharps bone structure.
I get it when you say that the vertical line is just one answer to the test but I truly believe that some questions like vertical line should have more weight as what we look for is a harmonious overall look so the overall impression, the big picture has imo more weight than let's say the shape of the eyes.
I truly see a dramatic bone structure for her and some more yin after, added, maybe not enough to put her with SD but more than some D but her overall appearance is closer to D to me.
Yeah my understanding of the book is that all of the types have height restrictions, because we can be short or tall “looking” for our height but realistically: no 6 footer is going to look petite no matter what.
At Taylor’s height she only has two options: D types or N types. With her facial flesh alone I’d rule out D, and FN, which leaves SD, N, or SN.
You're focusing too much on her body and not on her features. Her face is not long or narrow tho, her lips are full and her nose is short and rounded, as well as her cheeks look soft, she doesn't have that dry look on her face, and her facial bone structure is not prominent nor aggressive (TR has some sharpness but not prominence) that's too much yin for a D, and you're ignoring all of her softness and talking only about her eyes and height.
She has a pretty yang body, but a soft face, something contradictory, and that's what gamine is: ramdon contradictions
i feel like she is a soft classic (a bit tall for a classic but somewhere in the classic family). Her facial features are evenly spaced not too sharp not too curved very blended and moderate as apposed to mixed. her bone structure is yang dominant but her flesh in yin. i've noticed when she wears heavy eye makeup and nude lip combination it look out of balance on her. but when her makeup is balanced and her hair is tidy it really suits her (kind of has a 50's style element). i think people only think she is a gamine because she wears a lot of gamine type clothes. to me she looks quite restricted in them, but when she wears clothes that are high waisted or give a slight waist definition looks really good on her.
@@jhoward5011 I understand where you're coming from, but realistically classic is the least suitable type for her after romantic, because of this huge clash between her extremely long vertical line and her literal baby-face. Her face looks to me almost like a cute 12-year-old's, if you forget about who she is in reality, while she also looks like a skyscraper (metaphorically). That's the complete opposite of a balanced body! Nothing about her is moderate.
guys...it's ok for dramatics to be pretty. jeez
Me: "What body type is Taylor Swift?" My boyfriend: "flamboyant dramatic" :D
lol!!! mine calls me random other body types which he doesn't know what they are 'you're a dramatic classic!'
@@merriamstyle haha... so typical. Btw, mine after a while: "Taylor must be a gamine because she has a big head"... but does she?? :P
my bf said Twix bar : /
My bf said a dramatic something or a weird lanky gamine
She is very tall and has very long arms and legs. These are her most noticeable characteristics. This, alone, can tell us that she is one of the three: Flamboyant Natural, Dramatic or Soft Dramatic. If she were a FN, she would be wider in bones and she would probably have more width to her shoulders, back, ribcage. If she were a SD, she would be curvy, and she is definitely not. When we look at her, we don't see any prominent curves. So she can only be dramatic.
Ummmm... Regardless that her hands are small (D) her bust line (chest C/waist C/hips C) is moderate and proportional , her shoulders are sloped (D) and her cheeks are full (D) ?
@@JW-uq9yt even though it is obvious that you are going through the questions of the quiz, which David Kibbe does not recommend anymore, I am still gonna answer to what you 're saying.
Her hands don't seem to be small, they look more like dramatic hands to me, long and narrow. Her shoulders are not sloped, they are quite sharp. And her cheeks are indeed soft.
Now, when it comes to her proportions, she does have a slightly defined waist, but *every type can have a defined waist*. When we say that a dramatic body will have a straight waist, we don't mean a straight straight line, everyone can have some waist definition.
The important thing is to look at a body on the whole. We need to see what a woman's most imposing features are, instead of looking at small, individual characteristics. Some softness in the cheeks and a small waist cannot change someone's yin and yang balance. So yeah, to me, she still looks like a dramatic. Do you think that she is close to any other type?
She is wide, but also tall
To me, the Gamine outfits make her look young, hip, cool, trendy. The Classic outfits make her look elegant, smart, well groomed, polished, grown up.
I would be interested to hear what you think about celebrities who are over 60, just to see how age relates to Kibbe and styling.
Red carpet & popping to the store - Judi Dench, Michelle Pfiffer, Cher, Cagney & Lacey!
This is what classic outfits do to everyone😝
She looks amazing in the black long dramatic dress! The gamine styles look really akward on her!
I thought gamines were short?
I think this is an example that shows that essences of the face (like Kitchener) sometimes should be mixed in with the kibbe system. I can relate so much with this example, being quite tall and dramatic frame but a clear youthfulness and softness in my face and body mixed in
I do think that Taylor is a bit more D than G though. She looks really “stretched” in the gamine outfits to me.
I’ve always felt that maybe there should be some new/more options for people with a long vertical in general.
I agree. She looks elegant and mature in D and SD lines, but in G and SG awkward
Edit: I was going to delete this comment, but I think it's better to correct it. I now realize that Taylor Swift is a Dramatic in the Kibbe system even if her style is Gamine and she has a babyface.
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After 3 months of learning about Kibbe, I can pat myself in the back because I thought Taylor's face had too much Yin to be Dramatic, and her body flesh isn't Yin enough to be SD, so she definitely doesn't belong in the Dramatic category.
The only doubt I had was, does Taylor look good in Gamine clothes because it's her style and we're used to seeing her wearing that, or because she's truly a Gamine? I have the same issue typing myself: I can't tell if I look better with something because I'm used to it, or because it's really my lines.
I think it’s just her image that is so stuck in our head with her cute persona and her romantic typical good girl type of image that makes people blind to see she can actually look better in sleek edgy or longer lines
I’d like to point out that dramatics don’t always have the angular face. In my case, my face looked more natural or on some pics even gamin when I was younger.
Sure! It's all about the entire picture as a whole, and at the end of the day, about whatever lines look best on you!
I have the same issue I believe my body type is dramatic but my face is not as dramatic. My face is more youthful or Ingenue essence which seems like a contradiction. I'm fairly confident that I'm a Soft Summer which is not bold in color more muted and cool. I keep seeing descriptions of dramatic's as bold colors or back or stark contrast in their facial structor or eye or hair color which feels frustrating because not all dramatics are winters.
Miranda Kerr please! 😊😍 I think she is a soft classic but some say she is flamboyant natural because she is a victoria's secret model. Maybe you can make a victoria's secret body type video. 😄
Hermine G. She looks her best on flamboyant gamine clothing/hair/makeup imo. I was into the soft classic idea at first, but after rummaging through a lot of her pictures I realized that the soft classic suggestions look a little too yin for her
She is soft natural
I don't understand, how can she be a gamine when she has such a clear vertical line?
Yet the vertical line is one question out of 16 questions
@@JW-uq9yt Merriam is discarding Taylor’s physical height, not her vertical line.
Because she is not?? She is Kibbe verified Dramatic. Do you a favor and don't watch Videos from people who type a 5ft10 Lady as a gamine
Looking at the comments, some people have suggested analysing male celebrities for their Kibbe types - I would find that fascinating. I know Aly Art did a couple of videos on this, but I would love to the topic explored more.
Another thing - Some people seem to be rather offended that Merriam classified Taylor as a gamine! I would just say that I can definitely see where Merriam is coming from and even just from looking at the thumbnail of the video it was already obvious that Taylor has a far more delicate and soft face than Keira (I had guessed she was a FG rather than G, but nevermind). After all, are gamines not a mixture of opposites!? Who's to say that her height couldn't be one of her yang traits, or that gamines always have to be short? Audrey Hepburn, another gamine, is not that much shorter than Taylor, either. Regarding the statement that Taylor is a Kibbe-verified Dramatic - well, who knows how thoroughly he looks at modern celebrities? Was it an off the cuff classification in answer to someone's question, or did he inspect her pictures thoroughly? Who knows? I'd rather trust the evidence in front of my eyes and I think Merriam has presented a good case here.
Aw thank you Laura!!
These are very cherry picked photos, Taylor is undoubtedly a dramatic. She has a clear, long physical vertical line that needs accommodation, there is no getting around that, in real life people don't just see your proportions, they see your physical length. The height limits are there for a reason. But I wouldn't expect anything else from someone who types themselves as a soft gamine despite being much too tall and yang-looking. This is clearly a cope.
Yaay I knew she was a gamine, she's really cute despite being really 'dramatic' looking. Thank you for making this body typing video series, it probably takes a lot of time and patience for you to analyze these photos. Hey, could you do a body typing for Ariana Grande before and after her tanning, eyebrow lifts, lip fillers etc? Because I want to know if that changes her body type.
This notification was practically screaming at me to watch it, so here I am. Lol
Edit: Oh wow, so that's why I like seeing Taylor in Gamine lines! I always wondered why she looked good with high necklines, animated prints, colourbloking, even though she was a Kibbe-verified Dramatic. That's interesting!
I would like to see some Asian celebrities getting Kibbe-typed next! I always seem to type them as Gamine because of stereotypes, sigh.
kaidawisteria yes please! As a fellow Asian over 5’5”, I think I’m a flamboyant natural as there’s no curves but my limbs are long and blunt. The face is very full no matter how thin I am.
She looks great in certain clothes but ignoring bones Kibbe’s system really defeats the purpose. All of the types have height restrictions. This is important because even if we can appear to be short or tall “looking” for our height, realistically: no 6 footer is going to look meek no matter what, and no 5 footer is going to look intimidating no matter what.
At 5”10 Taylor is a very tall woman.
At Taylor’s height she only has two options: D types or N types.
With her facial flesh alone I’d rule out D, and FN, which leaves SD, N, or SN.
Taylor likes to dress like a fairy or Barbie doll, but just look her up in the all white pantsuit, or white jumpsuit. It’s definitely her best look.
Can you kibbe type Keanu Reeves? He's really trending right now. What do you think? Soft natural?
Does Kibbe work for men?
@@TH-pb4ux Why wouldn't it? Its about lines. AlyArt has a video on it. :)
Yes Keanu Reeves! I think he is a DC or a SD.
I think Keanu Reeves is a Soft Dramatic, same as Kevin Costner. They both have long vertical lines but softness on flash and hands
@@artemisrain I think it's hard to translate directly except for Classics maybe, the videos are made with only Kibbes own examples and personally I don't think they are very good. You can of course make a separate and very similar system for men but from what I saw it seemed to be unclear when differentiating between Naturals and Dramatics because Yang or male energy in men looks very different from what we call most Yang in the Kibbe system. For example, the men called Dramatic seemed to lean more towards what I would call Naturals since things like width were mentioned as a characteristic but for Dramatic women it's not, it's angularity and sharp bones not bluntness.
Always thought her style is cute and her face is too cute to be a dramatic
Personal style and looking cute are irrelevant to someone’s image ID and David actually says this himself.
Nicole szherzinger gets theatrical romantic, soft dramatic and dramatic classic. What is she?
In my opinion, she looks best with theatrical romantic clothes and hairstyle !
She has to be a theatrical romantic. Her bones are small and narrow with slight sharpness. If not, then everything I thought i knew about kibbe body typing is wrong lol.
Edit: I consider myself a TR and her and me have a similar vibe I feel. We both have long arms/legs and look taller than we are while still looking soft and dainty. It's a weird thing to describe but I just can't imagine me or Nicole being anything other than TRs.
I feel like her body type is dramatic but her face has an Ingenue essence. She is too tall to be a Gamine. Gamine's have strong Yang but are little and have a pixie features to them. The reason why some of the more dramatic outfits look off on her is partly because she is a spring season, black is too harsh of a color and too cold for her season. Black looks best on some one who is a winter season which is bright, dark and cool.
I come from Strictly Kibbe group and sadly the height limit of Gamines is 5'4'' and Taylor is way taller. David Kibbe commented himself that it's impossible to 'squeeze' the existing height. She even looks almost too tall for all the short dresses she wears. But. Here's where Kibbe system has a huge flaw I would say - what about the inner style that has nothing to do with the height or facials structure - those two most prominent features that we notice the best and the most in people? Taylor Swift does give off the Gamine vibes and I like her in most of gaminish outfits.
It’s probably her gamine essence that’s why people are confused.
She is very drawn to a gamine-ish style but I don't think it flatters her too much because it doesn't really bring out her best features. She likes to wear a lot high waisted things and it makes her waist look really long and it doesn't really do much. She wears some fitted things which sort of flatter her sometimes but I almost want to see her in less structured things because I feel it would complement her well and make her look less like awkward
I thought you might say Gamine because you are also a tall Gamine ;) I remember you saying "Height is only one answer on the test", it's not more important than any other answer. The true test is always how the clothes look on the person and I agree she looks best in Gamine looks.
She's a soft dramatic. It's especially more apparent now that she gained some weight and isn't as skinny. She really mirrors the lines of Monica Belucci really well, who is also Soft Dramatic. Taylor prefers to dress in Gamine lines but she looks great is soft dramatic lines.
yes. this is right. im also a soft dramatic and gamine Linea also work like this for me. its the taperedness that really work for dramatic curves.
I always thought she was dramatic classic from my own intuition, but ive heard she is dramatic
She is too tall for a classic, even a dramatic classic. She is like a supermodel.
have you seen the latest video clip of Taylor swift? it's called "The Man" in this video, her bone structure shows how Dramatic body type she is. I believe she is a dramatic indeed not a gamine. even the title is showing her strong essence :)
I think that gamine style doesn't particularly flatter her because I feel she has long limbs because she looks tall and is very dainty appearance. When I look at Taylor swift I think she is a classic. I also think of a dainty deer lol... because she looks very delicate. She doesn't look good in gamine style because it makes her look childish and comes off a bit harsh on her body structure
Taylor was trying to wear “natural” kind of style at the new Ellen show, which made her so different. Maybe people can check that video if interested. And how about french style icons, such as Charlotte Gainsbourg, Jane Birkin and Jeanne Damas etc.. it would be fun to see a comparison of body types within these ladies. :) Finally maybe some Asian celebrities can be analyzed. Thank you for great content.
Just watched the video and not sure it was “romantic” style or “natural”. Can’t decide.:(
Yes please more Asians! Like the popular ones currently.
she looks uncomfortable
April fools...?
GAMINE? i thought she was a dramatic classic
P!nk (Alicia Moore) I'd love to know about her body type and about how muscles/fitness works with Kibbe!
A Flamboyant Gamine probably :)
@@cinderling5472 Pink looks like a Dramatic to me, at least she can appear very dramatic. And not just in flashy punk clothing, in her softer videos too.
julijakeit Hmm, maybe a Flamboyant Natural then? XD
I think you're right. Funny thing is, I have seen Taylor Swift as 'proof' that Kibbe's system doesn't work because she is a dramatic and doesn't look good in dramatic lines...Well, she isn't a dramatic! Another one I have seen that 'debunked' kibbe is gwendoline Christie. "Her body may be dramatic, but her face is ingenue and ethereal...She doesn't look good in dramatic lines but looks good in ethereal lines...Kibbe is wrong, his system doesn't work!" well, of course dramatic lines don't look good on her, she's a soft dramatic! Which is very similar to ethereal in lines...
Also, Lily James.I think she is a soft classic, but there are some things that don't completely add up.
Haha yes we have to find out about Lily James!
@Gitte, yes I've seen that too.....a part of why I did this video actually! I remember reading something like that long ago! It might be fun to actually type people well who are said to be 'proof' that Kibbe's system doesn't work.
@@merriamstyle As I am a tricky case, if you need any real life people, I always voluenteer :)
Please type Jenny Mustard! Swedish fashion influencer. She has a really cool and unusual mix - really tall, slim, but wider hips, small head but face only round features. Som kind of Natural? Gamine? Would be so fun to hear your thoughts! 😊🏵️😊💗
I think sh'es also a gamine just going off of what lines seem to look best on her. Also, if she were shorter, we would all say gamine the second we looked at her. We should be careful not to let one answer deter us. She wears a lot of dramatic lines on Instagram, but I think they make her look a little childish, like she's playing dress up in daddy's clothes. In the pics where she's wearing proper gamine lines, she looks so good. Horizontal stripes are amazing for her. The short skirts and boxy tops suit here well. But when she gets too out there and into flamboyant gamine craziness, she looks overdone. So I would say gamine.
@@DefineFive Some kind of Gamine yes, but I don't think that Jenny Mustard have enough yang to her face for Flamboyant Gamine. 😊
I think she is FG
Please do Dua Lipa! I've seen her typed as Flamboyant Natutal & Flamboyant Gamine. Also please do a special video for pure Gamines & Flamboyant Gamines. I'm sick of only seeing tomboyish recommendations for them.
She's a Dramatic. According to Kibbe face is irrelevant when determining body type and someone as tall as Taylor can only be Dramatic, Soft Dramatic or Flamboyant Natural. Also Kibbe has since Metamorphosis came out changed his mind about the pure Gamine, Natural and Classic types and said that they don't exist. Merriam has a lot of good and interesting points especially regarding color theory but for learning more about Kibbe's theories (from the man himself) I recommend joining the Strictly Kibbe group on Facebook.
@@yasmink4780 Kibbe is of the belief that most celebrities are in fact shorter than the height they're listed as. So when he typed Hepburn (Flamboyant Gamine) he must've assumed that she is shorter than 5'7", if he had met her and seen that she indeed was that height he probably would've assigned her a different type. I believe the same goes for Grace Kelly who he considers to be Soft Classic (5'6' is about as tall as they can be) but who is listed as 5'8".
I think they beauty of Kibbe's typing lies in the vibes of the types too. I don't see Taylor as being "regal" as dramatics are described, nor classic. However, gamine description fits her spirit better: "piquant chic". On some blog there was also this interesting guide that makes you think what is your "breakthrough role". What are you playing? Femme fatale, girl next door, street urchin... I find that fun and quite fitting to the Kibbe types. I think it's usually pretty telling what the real actors' break through roles were too.
Do you type men too? I think Taylor is similar to Nicholas Hoult, tall, depicted dramatic at first glance... But is he a gamine?
I struggle seeing Kirsten Dunst as soft classic, though she is verified by Kibbe. I don't think her features are that balanced. What do you think about Cara Delevigne, Natalie Dormer and Hannah Murray? They seem like some type of gamine to me, but the two first mentioned have been (I guess) verified as naturals. Maybe I'm confusing ingenue essence with being gamine.
Hi, regarding Kirsten Dunst I didn't find her too classic looking much myself either but seeing Merriam's video for soft classics where there are many photos of Kirsten in the SC outfits I do see how she glows up in them.
Wow, you really know your stuff! I just wanted to say I agree with you and am also very curious about Cara, but she's likely a Yang type... Not much softness I think.. What about you?
Do you have the link to that blog with the breakthrough acting role thing? If you do, could you please post it here? I'd like to read it.
@@Phoenix333Rising stylesyntax.com/blog/2016/06/26/the-importance-of-casting-in-kibbe-breakout-roles/
@@beebikinis Thank you! 😙
I think you may have briefly touched on Mila Kunis being a theatrical romantic. I know Madonna and Mila Kunis are not obviously romantic Kibbe-verified romantics. A video on breaking down the yin and yang parts of their body's would be interesting.
But how can a Gamine be so long? I’ve always thought they are kind of short and stacatto looking
Baby the lines don’t lie 😉
I may be wrong, but i think the stacatto thing was about the recommended lines and not the body itself. And also the vertical line is just one yang answer and gamine is a mix of yin and yang answers so that can totally happen. I feel like gamines always being short is just one of those stereotypes that prevent system from effectively working idk
actually the whole point of a gamine is a blatant mix of ying and yang. many gamines are known for having long limbs. audrey hepburn is one of them. she has quite long arms and legs. flamboyant gamine is especially known for having long arms. they tend to call it a petite vertical line. because they have a long vertical line, but then look very delicate or the line can appear broken. and i certainly wouldn't type gamine as being wide, which is what is associated with stacatto. twiggy was also a gamine. they have long arms and small hands. tailors torso also looks short in comparison to the rest of her body. while most dramatics dont look like they have short torsos, nor do they have sloped and rounded shoulders like tailor does. though some gamines can be wide - it just doesn't appear to be common in the gamines i have seen (that have been kibbe verified typed, or typed by Northrup or McKinsey, or by any of the various you tubers who do typing). and I completely agree with Jenny Penny, this height obsession that kibbe followers have just prevents the system from working correctly. she looks small and delicate regardless of her vertical line.
They are short. Kibbe does not allow for tall gamines or short dramatics. People always want to fight this but really, it’s easily understood: gamine (childishness) in 6” people, isn’t really a thing; nor is a Amazonian/statuesque woman standing at 4”11....just doesn’t happen. She’s a dramatic or natural, who likes to wear baby doll clothes.
Aubrey Hepburn isn’t comprable - she was malnourished (well documented) and at 88 pounds, who is to say if her healthier body weight at 5”7 would wear clothes the same way.
When you look at her in pictures of women's suits or more structured outfits it's clear her bone structure is dramatic. I feel it's even more clear now that she gained weight. She looks good in gamine influenced clothes because she has a bit of that essence in her face structure.
Thanks for series about dramatics... I am a dramatic, and felt like a very ugly transexual in any clothes, against the background of friends who are romantics. And when I learned about the theory of Kibby, was upset by such a narrow choice of clothes. You gave me confidence and a different look at my situation, thank you
I am flamboyant Natural and always felt the same 😅😅😅 Like you look at all the cute stuff and ALL the dress that are fitted at the waist or tones of little tiny florals prints and frills. thinking "onhh thats cute " try it on .LOOKS HORRIBLE But i don't know why 😭 Now I feel much better and confident understanding why it doesn't work . ☺️😊😊😊
Drape baby drape! I felt the same. Like a giant among my Asian petite and pretty counterparts. But they envy my long lines and height. So it’s a trade. Lol
That is so wonderful, thank you for sharing!
Don't be insecure! I personally love sleek and stunning Dramatic vibes, they're so interesting to look at, and usually quite unique and striking.. You have majestic features 💜😍
She doesnt look good in the example of a suit you show her wearing but that doesnt mean she isnt dramatic. That horrible yellow blazer with pink tie and the heavy makeup would look bad on anyone!
But what good is this method if the only purpose becomes just to put someone in a category? Isn't the purpose instead to define which kind of clothing best enhances the figure?
Taylor Swift might be two and a half meters tall, but the style recommended for the Gamine is the one which makes her look at her best, which makes her special! Ok, dressed like the dramtics she looks pretty good, because she has a beautiful figure that suits many lines, but all in all in Dramatic lines she is quite dull and without spice. Who cares how tall she is? (Incidentally, she seemed rather small to me: until I saw her beside Madonna and I was stunned because she is a giant! One thing that does quite at odds with its overall appearance, but which is also her peculiarity).
In the end, tall or short, I think this video really makes the point: dressed as Gamine she is absolutely perfect, delightful and vibrant!
Agree. She doesn't look as vibrant when she dress in dramatic lines as in gamine, she does really need the clothes that "fit her", not over sized as a dramatic.
She is most definitely a dramatic. If you look more of her pictures wearing dramatic lines you can see that. The examples shown in this video don't represent dramatics. And when she wears gamine clothing they don't show her true essence. It's a tall woman dressed in a little girl's clothes. Sorry, but let's just be honest here just because you want her to be a gamine that doesn't make her one...
Why would I want her to be a gamine?
I'd also be curious if you want to give me some links of her in dramatic lines so I could take a look, and also not sure what you mean that this video doesn't represent dramatics?
Merriam, thank you for replying. As you said, we could be debating this all day long. Sorry if the tone seemed harsh, that wasn't my intention, I completely agree with most of your view points, especially when it comes to your color system analysis, I find it the most accurate in relation to whatever I've seen so far, however in this case I simply disagree. Taylor (and I am not a fan or anything) has a dramatic body. Yes, her face has some softness, we can say that for sure, but that doesn't change the magority of the lines. Oversized clothes, a man's suit for instance (and in the most unflattering color on Taylor) don't necessarily represent dramatics. I will try to link the fotos l m referring to. In the end its all about finding one's true style so l believe you are doing an amazing job
@@katiag4831 Yes, dramatic lines are often misunderstood, this is a part of why I wanted to take a look at some examples you could give to make sure they aren't actually gamine lines after all. Taylor is warm, so it's not the color of the suit that's the issue (although it is a bit too pastelly)! Lots of people seem to think the example of the yellow suit is unfair.....but sadly, it's exactly fair, you could watch the music video 'Me' and see this suit in action on her.
It can be hard for people to see past Taylor's dramatic skeleton, even though she looks better in gamine, people just get hung up on the height.
I can definitely see than in Lilly Cole. The truth is, Taylor wears gamine lines all the time, in everyday life and on stage.... On the red carpet it's usually a combination of gamine and dramatic lines... MAN! You got me there! The combination of opposites in an unexpected way, that IS a gamine! Merriam, you were right in the first place!... I don't know... I guess I kind of have this fixed idea in my mind that gamine means very short...
I vote for PJ Harvey! Although I think she must be a FG.
F'kn Great. Yep !
Taylor herself always says people don't expect her to be as tall as she is in person. I always thought she was 5'6 like me😂 she definitly has a short vertical line
Ariana Grande and Zendaya next please!!!
Ariana is likely a Gamine
She definitly looks good in gamine lines. But something feels off. I don't see the typical gamine vibe in her. She doesn't look that young and vibrant. Look at pictures of her next to Sarah Hyland (a soft gamine). Taylor looks like a grown women, while Sarah almost looks like her daughter and they are the same age.
Me at the beginning of the video: she's a Dramatic and you can't convince me otherwise!
Me at end of video:...well damn. I'm convinced otherwise... :)
As I have mentioned on Lily Cole's video (and I'm not Kibbe enthusiast by no means), cherry picking photos can lead to wrong conclusions. Photos are not real life. Movement, angle, light can be very, very deceiving. I truly appreciate your effort and incredible work and thoughtfulness you put into your content. However, I can't agree on a hypothesis that height is not important for the body lines/type of clothing that looks good on us. We are dressing our body, not our face which can match our body type or not. Carefully styling our best lines and our make up/hair, we can achieve harmony, or pull off disharmony, a contrast which can be also interesting and aesthetically appealing. Chosen outfits simply don't fit her properly and are wrong choice for her within her best lines. She is wearing oversize, ill fitting yellow suit which was most probably taken from men's department. Suit inspired by men's lines should be made to fit female body in shape and size. When done right, men's inspired clothes on female body can look very powerful and erotic.
Taylor is rocking this white tailored suit which would suit fabulously tall/yang bone structure types like D, SD and FN. Her mostly soft face looks great in them as well. White suit has very D lines with touch of SD, but her sandals soften the look making connection with her face, whilst her dramatic, straight lined hairdo and slightly dramatic make up support clean, sharp lines of the suit. Her bangs are touch of softness which ties well with rounded edges of the jacket and with not overly soft sandals (essentially geometric, although oval shaped design). She looks stunning and very well put together here. Black suit is also matched to her geometric, straight hairdo and minimal make up with dramatic toe nail polish. Both looks are very well thought out.
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I checked the white suit you refer, it is a very fitted suit with waist emphasis, it is a classic line (maximum dramatic classic line) , not dramatic line tho. Btw I dived in to see Tylor in different styles, I do think she need very fitted and more details in her outfit, plain outfit makes her look dull, drag her down a little bit.
@@JW-uq9yt It's a mistake that D lines look like male's clothes. It is a male like cut, but adjusted to female body. That's why Taylor looks rubbish in oversize men's suits she used to wear on stage. The white suit is how D lines look on female body - if they are adjusted to fit her properly. The misconception about D body image derives from the fact that key image for D's is Tilda S. who is not just D, she is androgynous which is entirely different aesthetics. Lauren Bacall, Milla Jovovich, Cate Blanchett are D's. Taylor's face and body image don't match and her outfits need certain 'sync' approach, to make them work for both her face and her body. Besides, Kibbe insists that 'there is no certain body image lines' (pretty incoherent IMO), but all body images can wear all lines if adjusted to them properly. If you check oldies (moves from 50's i.e.) you'll find out that most of Hollywood stars who are faces for certain Kibbe body images are wearing everything but what they were supposed to according to Kibbe. Marilyn was so rarely seen in frills, bows and almost never in florals, i.e. I don't see much sense in Kibbe, frankly. All tall women are squeezed into 3 types while it's obvious that more types are needed to suit all body images that taller ladies may have. Especially those who are tall, but not lush enough to fit SD, dry or straight enough to fit D or athletic and straight enough to fit FN. To my eyes, Nicole Kidman is not FN, Cate Blanchet is not D...etc. I see Taylor and Lilly Cole, i.e, just like the majority of super models in the missing category, where tall, lean but well defined although not overly lush women would fit perfectly.
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@@blueice011 the suit isn't really dramatic line, dear, the length of the pans should have been longer and wider to be more of a dramatic line, the shoulders fitting would have been slightly wider too (not ill fitting but on the loose fit side as a normal suit should) the white suit is a very fitted line, and shorter to be considered as a dramatic line. Of course, you cab have your own opinion tho.
@@blueice011 in terms of the bikini body you refer to, her shoulders appeared to be sloped, hands and feet small, waist bust and hips moderate, head is rather big for her hight, arms fleshy rather than muscled, cheeks soft and full, chin is chiselled not sharp as well...
@@JW-uq9yt I understand your point. From my point of view, anything tailored, fitted and/or structured or made of stiff material is rather yang and dramatic when it comes to vibe and aesthetic. Softened edges make nice balance with her soft face, but in general, the suit has long lines, it's very fitted, tailored and structured, giving feminine tux 3 piece vibe. The trousers are not cropped, neither is the blazer. To me, it's a D line suit with softened edges which would look good on many different body images. Regarding her body image, I still feel that Kibbe doesn't cater to tall people and that quite a few types for taller ladies are missing in his system as well as update when it comes to height limitations. Many tall women are mistyped just because they are tall. Kibbe needs to deal with basic principles which are incoherent, biased and inconsistent. He typed some people based on their face, others based on their body lines, just height or 'vibe'. It makes sense only to him, which is fine. but rather confusing and impossible for many people to get practical value from it.
Kristen Stewart NEXT!
I have been always thinking about whether she is a dramatic classic, she likes gamine lines but in my opinion she doesn't look good in it!
Possibly a Natural?
@@cinderling5472 don't feel she looked good in natural line either?
Do Kate Moss 👑👍🏻
Addition: I never thought that I could be a Gamine because I'm 5'8", so I always thought I was a Classic. Now I wonder if I should reconsider... The thing is, Gamine is a mixture of different characteristics, so why aren't most people gamines? Should gamine be divided into more subsections?
Frieda Livery I heard someone say most people are naturals but I agree with you, I see so many of what seems to be gamine types when I’m out and about. The gamine category needs to be updated.
It's not just a mixture that makes a Gamine but I do think that FG could possibly be divided into Dramatic leaning (Twiggy, Audrey Hepburn) and Natural leaning (Kelly Osbourne, Tina Turner and possibly Lady Gaga) but that would still leave the "in the middle" FG. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it's not just the mixture of yin and Yang but that they look like teens and usually have childlike faces.
@@MalikahJ umm not really. Gamines have to be an almost equal mixture of opposites. Most people have primarily one type of feature and the other features while present aren't enough to make someone a Gamine.
Also Gamines have a mixture of opposites in their bone structure as well as flesh and facial features
MERRIAM! I love this video! I won’t spoil it in the comments yet, but this was such an interesting video. I may need to reconsider my Kibbe type.
Some celebrities I’d like to see are: Camilla Belle (DC?), Irina Shayk (FN or SD?), Emily Ratajkowski, and Anne Hathaway (FN or SD?).
Brandi Davis yes Emily is confusing
I'm sure irina shayk is a FN
Kibbe says Anne Hathaway is FN who "may have some work done", but I think she's SD, like the rest of the Internet claims.
Merriam, you are a Kibbe genius! Haha. Could you do this video for Natalie Portman, Jessica Chastain, and/or Lily James? I've seen conflicting opinions online of these ladies various kibbe types. Especially Natalie Portman, who is either dubbed a gamine or soft classic. Some other interesting options could be: Megan Fox, Adelaide Kane, Mila Kunis, Angelina Jolie. :)
Megan Fox is a Dramatic Classic, Mila Kunis is a Theatrical Romantic, and Angelina Jolie is a Natural!
Jessica Chastain is a Soft Classic.
Natalie Portman please!
Please do Leighton Meester (Blair from Gossip Girl).
@@jasmeen5712 I think so too, but Kibbe said she is not. I still think she is a soft classic though
I know the videos are old, but you’re so good explaining Kibbe body types!
I’d be interested in Kate Winslet. I believe she’s verified as Romantic, but it would be interesting to see why, as she has unusual features such as large feet.
Wow never would have thought Taylor Swift is a gamine - this video is so illuminating. I still can't see how Lucy Liu can be a Dramatic. She seems so short and dainty. I thought she would be a gamine and not the other way around. Thanks for these videos!
She’s dramatic 🙂
@Merriam Style, can you put the quiz "answers" for Taylor Swift? I am having trouble distinguishing between answer A and D cheekbones, especially.
i think she is dramatic. now lets watch the video
Agreed. I’d say SD because of her face and shoulders.
You've made a good case for "gamine". Gamines often remind me of "pixies" and in the last pics with Kiera she looks pretty pixie.
I was inspired by Shawn Mendes's new song Senorita. 😂 What's Camila Cabello's body type? My first thought was that she could be Theatrical Romantic, but I'm not sure. And I would like to see how you'd type Shawn Mendes also! Or just male celebrities in general!
I think Camila might be a soft gamime? I feel like her head is big in comparison to her body and I think I've heard that that's a gamine trait. Also her bones to me seem to look like that of a soft gamime. I feel like if she was a TR she would look more dainty. I'm a TR myself and I've compared myself to her before and I feel like her bone structure is different than mine. Like her bones seem a bit bigger even though she's still petite like me, idk it's weird to describe.
kat x Oh! She could be a Soft Gamine! I tend to mistake Theatrical Romantics for SGs and vice versa, sigh. 😂😂
@@kaidawisteria haha it's ok I still manage to get them confused a lot as well. But gamines are made up of a mixture of opposites whereas TR's are very soft and dainty all over with slight sharpness. Also, gamines tend to always look young and compared to TRs you can see that. TRs usually look like very petite/slim women whereas gamines tend to look child-like, but i don't mean that in a bad way. Gamines are badass and can pull off the best styles imo.
kat x gamines have lots of A and E answers, gamine is more child like (that isn’t wrong though) and camila seems to fit SG more than TR
KandyKotton now that I look at pics of her she seems like a TR but just based on her body. It looks small and soft all over but her head seems bigger in comparison to her body. I mean she could just be like Mila Kunis who is a TR and has the same situation going on.
I had my doubts about Taylor being a dramatic. Her body didn't seem dry enough and her face had too much softness including in her nose. Also that wavy curly side swept hair didn't look separate from her like it should on a dramatic.
Another great video. I would like to see mature women in soft gamine/gamine. How to dress without looking childish.
Also, I think I am a soft gamine but still confused.Is it possible that my head/face is one body type and my body another? Ty
Megan fox please
Is she actually theatrical romantic or natural
In person she has massive bones, massive shoulders, and is definitely broader than karlie Llosa for instance.
Have you ever thought about collaborating with other youtubers and typing them? Just an idea
I would love to see youtubers typed as well.
I would love to see youtubers typed as well.
I revise my comment, she must be a NATURAL, wider face, eyes wide apart, blunt chin and wider nose; Maybe Flamboyant Natural.
before I watch this, I feel like Taylor's a flamboyant natural. let's see now.
OK NVM LOL
Could you do the body types of the members of Blackpink? Kpop idols "seem" to have the same body type, so I think it'd make an interesting video!!
Kimbly someone in a forum said Lisa and Jennie is a flamboyant gamine, Jisoo is Soft Classic and Rose is theatrical romantic.
Brilliant! I love when you challenge the established (mis)conceptions!
What's Kibbe's theory to say tall women can be just Dramatics/Soft Dramatics or Flamboyant Naturals? (If I got that part right). The length in their skeleton bones?
I agree with you (from my limited knowledge), and you have already identified two tall women as belonging to the Gamine Family (Lily Cole and Taylor Swift), what makes me wonder if there's more to the Kibbe theory than the already confusing basics.
As for a celebrity: I would love to see your take on Geena Davis.
Since she's been in the public eye for so long, it would be interesting to understand how her body type remains whilst her actual body evolves over the years.
Thank you for your hard work!
I would love to see her typed as well. I Love Geena!
WAT. I can't unsee it now, but WUT.
Is Eleanor Tomlinson a Soft Dramatic? Such long bones, but very fleshy face. And yes, I'd love to see thoughts on Sophie Turner.
Also, what about Brie Larson? I can't find any photos of her where I think, "Wow, that is so her." Some sort of FN?
Didn't age well did it? Lol I saw you mistype alot of Kibbe verified Celebrities. She is obviously a Dramatic you can't just ignore height just because it doesn't make sense to you
The fact that she just look SOOO YOUNG like 14-16 and she's almost 30 😱😭😭😭 tells a lot about that she is NOT dramatic. In my opinion Dramatic never really look super young , they usually look more "mature" .
I agree. I've always felt she had a young vibe to her but I guess that's just her gamine bone structure for everyone lol. And I agree on the dramatic thing too. I've seen a video here on youtube where a girl goes around asking people to rate her looks. People in the comments kept saying she looked like she was in her 30's despite her actual age being 22. Her bone structure was very sharp, but I don't think she's a dramatic because her height seemed shorter. I think she might've been a dramatic classic or a flamboyant gamine.
Yes! I was watching this Brazilian movie and I saw this actress called Sophie Charlotte and it’s the exact same thing as Taylor Swift! She looks crazy good with boyish haircut and gamine clothing 😍 at first I thought she was some kind of natural body type because of her shoulders and height but she’s definitely a Gamine!
I would peg Taylor as a dramatic classic. I'd say she's too tall to be a soft gamine.
Aly Art did a video about Kim Kardashian's real body type versus what she was trying to achieve with surgery.
How about an analysis on celebs that have changed their body types?
It would also be interesting to see more videos like these, with compilatios on celebs that often get misstyped!
This is super fascinating
Could you do blackpink? (Korean girlgroup) (i’d love to see bodytyping for them)
*btw this is what i think they are*
- Jisoo/Kim jisoo :
(black hair, 5’4? *atleast under 5’5*, fleshy, large hands, average feet, rectangular, a larger nose imo, small lips, short vertical line, small face) my guess is SG/TR (maybe??)
- Jennie/Kim Jennie :
(fleshy, broader shoulders, 5’3? *also under 5’5 ft*, smaller hands, smaller feet, average lips, soft cheeks, short vertical line, small face, small nose) my guess is FG/SG
- Rosé/Park Chaeyoung :
(5’6 ft, large hands, slender and lean, large feet, large face, longer nose, small lips, tiny waist, broad shoulders, long vertical line ) my guess is D (but i could be wrong too)
- Lisa/Lalisa manoban (5’5, slender and lean, long legs, large round eyes, large hands, large feet, long vertical line, small face, small nose, broad shoulders) my guess is FN
Edit: Lisa is thai the rest is Korean
KandyKotton I was thinking that Jennie could be FG/G! And that Lisa could be D/SD! But I'm not the best at typing people lol
I totally think Jisoo is soft gamine! And I always thought Jennie was TR because she looks so great in those lines
Oh hey, I typed them on a Pinterest board if you're interested: www.pinterest.de/CianaPullen/celebs-kibbe-typed-by-me/
My thoughts: Rosé TR; Lisa SG; Jisoo and Jennie SN. I had to go with the overall first impression rather than your proper breakdown of their hands, feet, etc., because I have trouble Kibbe-typing very thin people (I just need more practice I guess!).
-Jisoo's jaw, chin and shoulders seemed ever-so-slightly blunt and wide to me and she seems strong and sporty; paired with her curvier waist and thighs and open rounded facial features I went with SN.
-I thought Rosé seemed TR in the same way Rihanna does; a bit on the tall side but has a delicate, sultry aura and "adult womanly" look especially with her eyes, fingers and joints. That old-Hollywood wavy auburn hair is amazing on her. I wish I could find some picturess of her in D looks now that you mention it though.
-It's funny that the only one I thought was SG (Lisa) is the only one you didn't think is SG :) I see what you mean about her FN shoulders. I think her face looks doll-like with its round outline and wide-set round eyes. I think she looks so good in those gamine lines but maybe she's more of a FG than SG.
-Jennie has those blunt shoulders and looks so amazing in a long, unconstructed vertical line. Though the FG lines and graphic funky looks are nice on her too, now that you point it out.
What I love about your videos is that you really take the time to explain why you feel the way you do about a subject and you show multiple examples, so the viewer can also see it! So many people who do colour and body analysis say, “I hope you see what I see...” then they might explain a little, but they don’t show multiple examples and explain their process. You do do this, and it’s extremely informative. I’m 6’ tall, but have come to the conclusion-through a lot of personal analysis and comparisons-that, just the same, I am a Dramatic Classic body type. In addition, I regularly hear that you cannot wear this or that colour, if you are a particular body/face type. But I don’t agree at all. It seems to me, that it is extremely limiting to say that a person who exhibits a lot of yang-or dramatic- elements to their frame or face, cannot also be soft, cool and muted. I don’t think that being labeled “dynamic” or “earthy” automatically means a person has to wear Autumn type colours. (See Dressing Your Truth). It may not work for the person to follow warm colouring. Dramatic, dynamic and so-called “earthy” aesthetics can also be displayed through dramatic and classic lines in cool and soft/muted colours - why not? Who says that they can’t? That’s my observation anyway. Please keep up the amazing work! Many thanks 💜
Aw thank you for taking the time to leave such a thoughtful comment! I agree about the colors not having to be limited by the body type, especially because it's all so relative. A cool red might look quite soft on a cool and radiant lady, but quite bright on a cool and delicate lady for example. So we sort of have to take that into account as well. So if we have a cool and delicate gamine for example,they might look great with cool red, but if we have a cool and radiant gamine, they might be better off going for fuchsia!
I'm confused. I thought that gamines have to be small, but Taylor is very tall.
Definitely most gamines are small and short, but since Taylor has a mixture of opposites in her bones, body's flesh, and facial feature, she is a gamine!
Great video, Mirriam!
I always thought Taylor was too cute and girlish to be Dramatic. Your explanations therefore make perfect sense.
Maybe you could mention in some of your next videos to which type belong Margot Robbie and Daisy Ridley?
I think Daisy is Dramatic Classic, but Im not 100% sure. And Margot is also tough to figure out. I think Ive seen you type her as a Soft Natural, but I think she looks really great in fitted sharp but balanced silhouette of Dramatic Classic, so... Im not really sure which is her type.
Yay, I also think Margo looks great in DC, especially hair and minimal detail, she looks so sophisticated, and natural is just...unimpressive on her I guess?
Daisy Ridley is a DC and Margot Robbie is FN
Does anyone know what body type Victoria beckham is ? I thought she was gamine she dresses a lot like gamine
I would sooo love a video on Carey Mulligan, as she is one of my favourite actresses. I'd type her as a gamine (like Taylor), but I believe some people think she is a dramatic or theatrical romantic.
I always assumed that the online consensus was that Taylor was a classic or dramatic classic, but I never looked that close at her face or body, but anyway you make a pretty good case and you’re probably right
I always thought height determined whether or not you’re dramatic. But yes she looks so good in 60s mod wear and boho too. Have you seen her Patty Boyd interview spread In vogue magazine? I thought it suited her so well but felt awkward too since she’s so gamine with her very small narrow features.
What an interesting case study! I think Taylor Swift is very tall so gamine wouldn’t be the first thing to come to mind. She actually seems a bit gangly (this is my own opinion), and yet her face has softness/yin, so I wouldn’t guess dramatic either. What seems gamine in her face is the up turn at the corners of her lips and eyes. It looks mischievous. She does look best in pure gamine lines. I did like her in the long dramatic dress where you played with the choker (either adding it or erasing it). I didn’t care for the choker myself, I though the dress was more elegant without it. BUT the solid long block of color on that dress was broken by the split in front where the leg showed, which I thought is what made that dress look nice on her. Anyway, I can see what you see in this one, and it’s interesting to me how height is not really the main factor in determining Kibbe type.
What?! 😲 Ok, I think I'm a soft gamine, but after watching this I just don't know my body type haha I'm so shocked. Thanks for such a great video! 💕
Well, Kibbe says she is a Dramatic
As soon as I learned about Kibbe types, I’ve been curious about the type of the late Princess Diana. My best guess is she is a dramatic or soft dramatic but I am always wrong typing people it seems.
She was beautiful. I would guess she was a flamboyant natural.
Malikah J That sounds like another possibility
I just did a Google search and Kibbe classified her as Flamboyant Natural
Is it at all possible for a pure romantic to give a yang impression? All of my answers are E as far as I can tell, have a very pronounced chest, and I look good in pure romantic lines, but I'm uncomfortable when I appear so womanly. Is there anything I can do to dress with more yang without looking terrible?
Hilary duff and demi Lovato are they the same body type??
Good question. Aly Art used Demi in a thumbnail but never typed her.
I see her more as a Dramatic Classic. She has a very symmetrical look in general, but with a long vertical line. Also most of these pictures are from the time that she was admittedly anorexic, her body is really different now.