When is Medication Right for Personality Disorders?

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024

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  • @MedCircle
    @MedCircle  Před 3 lety +4

    Don't miss the rest of this FREE live event. Get the rest of the videos here: bit.ly/3adOACW

    • @torbjornengstrom6974
      @torbjornengstrom6974 Před 3 lety

      I hope one day you will talk about autism. Why is it you never mention it?!

    • @yolisazokufa
      @yolisazokufa Před 3 lety

      Please may you build an online platform for group therapy? Even if it is only twice a month. Because of Covid all groups in my area are on hold due to all the restrictions.

  • @humanicidecrime
    @humanicidecrime Před 3 lety +34

    i was diagnosed with BPD at 17, but it was very apparent. i was also in therapy and on an SSRI at that age, and it 100% saved my life.

    • @agnese2215
      @agnese2215 Před 2 lety +3

      Me too take sertralina and mood stabilezer

  • @tritonlai9029
    @tritonlai9029 Před rokem +3

    I got diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder at 20 yrs old (im turning 23 now) and I've been to 1on1 therapy, DBT and even medications, nothing worked, till I started smoking weed in the evenings before I go to sleep and surround myself with positive things food, tv, video games, anime and music for just those last 4 hours of my day before I go to sleep and I wake up so happy and refreshed, it feels like a reset button

  • @justinmartinez680
    @justinmartinez680 Před 3 lety +27

    I have a personality disorder and ill tell you straight up I've taken meds before and I had zero emotion for anything.. I felt like a zombie without even knowing

    • @phoenixfreed119
      @phoenixfreed119 Před 3 lety +4

      So did I and currently coming off all of them as a result! Hang in there

    • @justinmartinez680
      @justinmartinez680 Před 3 lety +6

      @@phoenixfreed119 I'm fine I stopped taking all meds years ago. I don't even believe there's anything wrong with me to be honest. That's the clechay thing to say but it's true

    • @phoenixfreed119
      @phoenixfreed119 Před 3 lety +3

      @@justinmartinez680 omg. I'm in the same boat .... I think I had normal reactions to trauma... And I'm over 80% off. Weaning properly this time..... Tried to just dump them once and I almost died.

    • @phoenixfreed119
      @phoenixfreed119 Před 3 lety +1

      @@justinmartinez680 thanks for responding. People need to talk about this more !!! I have a group I run on Facebook called "Phoenix Freed" and I'd love if you wanted to be a part of the community

    • @gypsy-nr9zd
      @gypsy-nr9zd Před 3 lety +8

      Yeah meds don’t do shit😂

  • @harleyquinn5774
    @harleyquinn5774 Před 3 lety +61

    Tequila has proven to be great medication on my sister. She goes from Malignant Covert Narcissist to sweet, amiable, and willing to share.

  • @toxica3607
    @toxica3607 Před rokem +6

    having BPD for all my life, my medication changed my life for good. BPD hurts a lot. Medication makes it just bearable.

  • @claudiakayla7097
    @claudiakayla7097 Před rokem +8

    I have borderline personality disorder and I have a range of medications that have significantly stabalised my mood venlafaxaline and mirtazipene and Seroquel at very high doses that I am on really keep my emotions and mood very well regulated and I'm doing DBT skills group through mental health and I don't drink alcohol, I also have ADHD so concerta keeps my impulsive behaviour under control, and mirtazipene mixed with venlafaxaline to augment it makes it strong, I have been very stabalised and I can function, it's important to know your triggers with borderline personality disorder

  • @Just_Me71
    @Just_Me71 Před 3 lety +31

    I'm 49. Apparently still alive and my symptoms have started all over with a vengeance. BPD, dysthymia, PTSD...Super disappointed.

    • @thintwin48
      @thintwin48 Před 3 lety +10

      Warm embrace of fortitude and courage from across the Atlantic.

    • @Just_Me71
      @Just_Me71 Před 3 lety +3

      @@thintwin48 Thank you

    • @rongike
      @rongike Před 3 lety +11

      have you tried inner child healing work? I'm 33 and I recently realized that this was what has been holding me back my whole life, an inner child who believes I'm worthless and who would subconsciously influence me to sabotage everything I set out to do 😞 and basically inner child work is showing that child love and making them feel safe, instead of fighting to destroy them or ignore them like I've tried my whole life. but ofc it's a very long process of self acceptance and self love. it was hard for me to even recognize the underlying issue that a part of me thinks I'm worthless bc another side of me thinks the opposite and I'm much more conscious of that side.

  • @CriminalScrutinyTV
    @CriminalScrutinyTV Před 2 lety +18

    Xanax is the key, I’m prescribed 0.25mg a day when I start feeling overwhelmed and I’m right back to normal and calm. What Xanax does is it clears your brain, it gives you some memory issues but I’ve had them regardless so it’s not much of a difference. BPD to describe it to everyone you feel like a 2 liter soda bottle that was shaken 100 times, plus adding a mentos in it and closing the lid and just leaving it there ready to blow at any second. I took ssris they make you nauseous they give you a disgusting taste in your mouth 24/7 they just don’t do it, it makes you feel lethargic and in a zombie state. I take a 0.25 mg Xanax and it calms me down within 4 minutes, and lasts throughout the entire day. It’s sort of like living with cancer, nobody wants to put poisonous chemo into their bodies to fight the cancer but there’s no choice. A lot of these doctors just don’t want to lose their jobs or be responsible for you getting addicted, so they put you on anti depressants because they won’t get shit for it and can continue making money. People with BPD require the hard drugs in a regulated low dose manner, the symptoms don’t just go away it’s a hardwiring in your body that can’t be controlled. It’s not a good plan to take a higher and higher dose every month but to act responsible with your meds and take them only as needed, the key thing is you need to be mature while prescribed and not reckless. I also have really horrible ADHD more of an in attention and no interest, I’m on a stimulant but I only use it when I need to do something work related not on a regular basis. You gotta manage how you take your meds, you also need to have discipline. You need to work out at least 3-4 times a week the better you look the better you’ll feel about yourself, you need to be on a healthy diet. If you’re not dieting it’s sort of like you’re driving in a race with shitty oil and cheap gas, your car is going to break down eventually. You need to find a psychiatrist that cuts through the bullshit of trying to give you the baby meds and realize you’re craving the meds because you’re going literally insane, I don’t drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes or any of that shit that usually blows steam off for most people so I take a pill instead. Our brains have no dopamine or any other happiness related chemicals in them, it’s like you’re walking past a homeless guy who hasn’t eaten and showered for months and you toss him a quarter thinking that’s all the help he should need. No the guy needs 10k and a place to live lol, people abuse doctors to score drugs to sell or to abuse so people basically ruined it for the people who actually desperately need them.. it really sucks.

    • @JohnDoe-kz9mc
      @JohnDoe-kz9mc Před 2 lety

      1hunnid

    • @neebastrod
      @neebastrod Před 2 lety

      This is such a clear insight and I thank you for sharing. What do you take for your Adhd?

    • @CriminalScrutinyTV
      @CriminalScrutinyTV Před 2 lety

      @@neebastrod Thank you I'm always glad to help, I take Bupropion 300mg. It's in a sense an anti depressant, the great thing about it is you lose weight on Bupropion vs other anti depressants make you gain tons of weight. I take adderall 1 30 mg pill a day a day, the combo of those two made me stop the xanax. I no longer felt anxiety because the Bupropion combats it, but i also am very active I train in the gym 2 hours a day 6 days a week. I eat lots of vitamins every morning, vitamins are essential. If you lack vitamins in you body it can throw your mind and body out of wack, so doing all those things is the cure.

    • @moisesjasso2138
      @moisesjasso2138 Před rokem

      Thank you for sharing

    • @inspiredmenow5053
      @inspiredmenow5053 Před rokem

      Example of soda bottle is perfect for bpd... I'm taking xanax for 8 years than i just stop taking it and go for therapy and lead a good life after 1 year again depression and due to 1 person and unstable relation and his personal issues that he is facing I'm again or ssri .... my life is painful

  • @bettinastebner
    @bettinastebner Před 3 lety +11

    Thank you for making this series! I'm finding it extremely helpful.

  • @phoenixfreed119
    @phoenixfreed119 Před 3 lety +11

    What about those of us who are categorized with "traits" and fully medicated based on ONE VISIT?
    Therapy First.
    Pills LAST!!!!!

  • @violetstrike1764
    @violetstrike1764 Před 3 lety +7

    Medication really helped my husband.... we were both so thankful...
    My husband saw his struggle.... sad to say many don’t and they drive their family crazy!!!!!
    Especially getting off of their meds and think they are fine..... no they are not!

  • @bereal6590
    @bereal6590 Před 3 lety +6

    Personality disorders are the most difficult to help...... requires 100% patient and therapist input and a lot of time and maybe med. A mood disorder is more pliable to change easily to medicate and patient input tends to be more positive as they are more ready to recognise they want to change 😊😊

  • @justsandra71
    @justsandra71 Před 3 lety +12

    I've seen psychiatrists for over 30yrs. Recently I over dosed twice. I saw a stupid psychiatrist at a mental hospital and he said there's no such thing as Borderline anything, changed my medications and I'm a total mess now. I don't know what to do 😭

    • @gypsy-nr9zd
      @gypsy-nr9zd Před 3 lety

      Lol what type of hospital

    • @justsandra71
      @justsandra71 Před 3 lety +6

      @@gypsy-nr9zd
      Why laugh at me?

    • @bettinastebner
      @bettinastebner Před 3 lety +9

      A Psychiatrist messed up my dad badly too. Put him on so many meds, he just sat in a chair and drooled, lost his ability to walk... fast forward to a new psychiatrist, new meds, new diagnosis, 6 months of rehab to walk again & he is in the best place he's ever been in.... go to a different psychiatrist please!

    • @justsandra71
      @justsandra71 Před 3 lety +4

      @@bettinastebner
      That's so sad. I'm sorry for what happened. I am arranging a new one. Thank you. All the best.

    • @svnkiller
      @svnkiller Před 3 lety +3

      This is my life. Been on every single medication in the book. Psychotherapy and DBT doesn't work and I'm literally at the end of my rope.

  • @haisesasaki3944
    @haisesasaki3944 Před 3 lety +18

    Naltrexone 💥
    I read also that there are some studies about using it to decrease dp-dr symptoms. Dissociation is so annoying...I don't remember about half of my lifetime because of it.

    • @fghfghsrtsrthsrthsrt5968
      @fghfghsrtsrthsrthsrt5968 Před 3 lety +6

      Try sitting down and writing all of you autobiographic memories, connecting them into a narrative and updating it from time to time. Really fixes that problem if you're methodical and persistent.

  • @MrWerewolf69
    @MrWerewolf69 Před 3 lety +9

    Correction, boderline personality disorder is mostly ego-dystonic.

  • @svnkiller
    @svnkiller Před 3 lety +20

    Medications for BPD = nothing. Nothing makes it better. All target symptom management. It's a miserable life, honestly. I can't stand it.

    • @svnkiller
      @svnkiller Před 3 lety +4

      Actually Oxycodone works pretty well. Bad side effects though.

    • @knuthamsun6106
      @knuthamsun6106 Před 3 lety

      😕

    • @dantheman80632
      @dantheman80632 Před 2 lety +3

      It is awful..destroys every relationship I've had. Full suicidal atm

    • @NicheNick2003
      @NicheNick2003 Před 2 lety +2

      @@dantheman80632 I feel your pain, even though I am not diagnosed with BPD yet, I am highly suspicious of many of the traits I have and I have genuine sympathy for anyone who suffers from it. I truly hope things get better for you.

    • @JohnDoe-kz9mc
      @JohnDoe-kz9mc Před 2 lety

      Fr even wit benzos, ur just left with depression and emptiness. Can't win

  • @stephanier6783
    @stephanier6783 Před 3 lety +4

    A former client of mine (personality disordered) took a prescription that treated her "restlessness" and Prozac (depression), plus MANY more for pain.
    If only there were a prescription that could have treated her warped moral compass and need to control and manipulate those she was exploiting, along with her noticeable empathy deficiency.
    The most horrifying thing about this woman was that she had already been a licensed child psychologist for over 15 years. I would never consider leaving a child alone with her, not even for a moment, much less pay her to be alone with one.

    • @knuthamsun6106
      @knuthamsun6106 Před 3 lety +3

      an ex of mine is a clinical psychologist and easily the most batshit diabolical unstable deceptive etc etc person i’ve ever met

    • @stephanier6783
      @stephanier6783 Před 3 lety +2

      @@knuthamsun6106 I'm sorry for what you likely went through with your ex, but I'm also not surprised, sadly. I've met some truly wonderful, empathic, highly qualified, and genuinely knowledgeable social workers, MFTS, psychologists and psychiatrists, but I've also encountered some who are walking examples of Cluster B psychopathology like you describe.
      So glad to read that person is an "ex"!

  • @abhisarikagandhi
    @abhisarikagandhi Před 2 lety +4

    Do we go for a blood test too to determine the level of say, various hormones before administering pills to a patient?

  • @PinkKitten77
    @PinkKitten77 Před 8 měsíci

    I had all the symptoms and problematic with BPD and DID ever since i was 12 years old i had a family traumatic episode where i almost killed a family member. And THEY STILL did not diagnose me!

  • @phoenixfreed119
    @phoenixfreed119 Před 3 lety +4

    Yes! VERY CAREFUL when medicating personality disorders!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @Vegetarianbull
    @Vegetarianbull Před 2 lety +2

    My psichologist prescribed me dopamin and serotonin pills.

  • @chenal7445
    @chenal7445 Před 3 lety +5

    Yeah still not a cure. Just symptom management.

  • @Ben-jq5oo
    @Ben-jq5oo Před rokem

    I’ve been on Lamotrigine and Escitalopram for 17yrs. I’m not sure it helps now and I should probably get a specialist review rather than just my family doctor every six months. I just can’t be bothered though 😕

  • @donnalmich8398
    @donnalmich8398 Před 2 lety +1

    This video is so helpful!!! Thank you!!!! 👍👏🏻🥇

  • @knuthamsun6106
    @knuthamsun6106 Před 3 lety +1

    pretty interesting the thing about opioid blockers

  • @everydaycounselling25
    @everydaycounselling25 Před 3 lety +2

    Many Thanks, these videos are fantastic.I follow all your series. I am kindly requesting if you could create videos about marriage therapy, I will appreciate🙏🙏🙏

  • @phoenixfreed119
    @phoenixfreed119 Před 3 lety +1

    DEVELOPMENTAL!!!! THANK YOOOU

  • @user-mq9dn2hn2v
    @user-mq9dn2hn2v Před 9 měsíci

    If those prescription can be made over the counter then ithink we can have a sliver of hope in enduring these latter days

  • @jordansnyder9001
    @jordansnyder9001 Před 3 lety +7

    Hello, Dr. Dom😳😂

  • @richardpedley6291
    @richardpedley6291 Před rokem

    I was perscribed alansapine and deluxatin at the time

  • @kimt8162
    @kimt8162 Před rokem

    You have to look at cause..... in my daughter's case. College years. COVID< A scammer college with scholarship fraud. Basically, they offered kids these scholarships and then threatened them all the time they'd take them away. This created a mess. I'll call it a form of PTSD> In other words no signs of a disorder in high school, and not ready to go down the "psychotic drug" extreme right away. Now the doctors rushed to that. I'm not sure we are on the right path. An of course now my daughter doesn't trust people which hasn't helped. With stress and that age, I'm saying look at NUTRITION first. Some people do not believe in Dr. Berg. I do. Look up his videos. If I could just get my daughter to do this, I know it could help her. You have to look at the vitamin levels first.

  • @MuhammadHuzaifa-mk3wf
    @MuhammadHuzaifa-mk3wf Před 2 lety

    Tell me name of medicine that used in personality disorder

  • @FlorenceLeonardo
    @FlorenceLeonardo Před 3 lety

    5:57 Aww.. empathetically well said.

  • @edenwinter9055
    @edenwinter9055 Před 2 lety

    How is that someone with NPD or BPD or psychopathy would realize that there is something wrong with them? Other than perhaps outside pressures that are unavoidable.

    • @JohnDoe-kz9mc
      @JohnDoe-kz9mc Před 2 lety +3

      Self awareness or re occurring problems

  • @louisskulnik7390
    @louisskulnik7390 Před 11 měsíci

    I am going to go get my BPD diagnosed this month. My goal is complete flattening of personality. My goal is to become a high functioning zombie in my whole life. I want to save those around me FROM ME.

  • @user-cp4ls4ws6j
    @user-cp4ls4ws6j Před 2 lety

    what is opioid blockers ..?

  • @bubbamanandkids2974
    @bubbamanandkids2974 Před rokem

    I'm so irritable. And to aware. That although this is well done. I'm irritated because it was to clear. To perfect. Scripted. No doctors are smooth and this good from my experience. How many takes till u got it perfect??

  • @deemore
    @deemore Před 3 lety +1

    They are giving me lexapro and abilify for my BPD

    • @sithmari
      @sithmari Před 3 lety

      how are you liking abilify? I just started two days ago

    • @knuthamsun6106
      @knuthamsun6106 Před 3 lety

      I feel like they start with Abilify for the simple fact that it’s at the top of the list of anti-psychotics alphabetically. Reading about it, it has one of the least impressive ratings for clinical efficacy. in my observation, anywhere Abilify is prescribed, olanzapine is the better choice

    • @goontt4826
      @goontt4826 Před 2 lety

      @@knuthamsun6106 i had bad side effects when taking abilify my muscles cramped up in class i was sweating a lot and i had a terrible headache

  • @daviscameron1
    @daviscameron1 Před rokem

    Be very careful with meds my partner was prescribed by a young gp fluvoxamine & became very violent. I consulted with a psychologist, psychiatrist & a very experienced pharmacist who recommended a review.
    Thankfully the fluvoxamine was withdrawn.
    Further unsupervised combining meds can be very dangerous & have negative impacts.
    Imu meds don’t treat the core issues.

  • @risingeagle6332
    @risingeagle6332 Před rokem

    Medicine and most psychiatric approaches is only a preventative measure, not proactive approaches to address those exposed to the person with PD. Most PD’s typically do not got to therapy.
    This is problematic.

  • @dinahreodica6644
    @dinahreodica6644 Před 3 lety +3

    There is? Bring it to my workplace. The head nurse needs a boxful. We lost so many hard working staff because of her micromanaging, narcissism and her condescending, disrespectful and retaliatory behaviour. Even the pharmacist in our workplace thought she needed medication.

  • @theharringtons2010
    @theharringtons2010 Před 2 lety +1

    No way would I take meds..

  • @janellemccoy09
    @janellemccoy09 Před rokem

    Someone with trauma will over medicate also, don't you think?

  • @Thang4321
    @Thang4321 Před 3 lety +2

    My ex really got an NPD and she got given depression pills since 18. It makes her mood swing, turn her into a horrible evil person that could do anything to hurt ppl who don’t follow her

    • @veronikae6415
      @veronikae6415 Před 3 lety +1

      Sure she‘s not a histrionic?

    • @blueb2356
      @blueb2356 Před 2 lety +1

      ​@@veronikae6415 why should she be?

    • @taylormeyer1793
      @taylormeyer1793 Před rokem

      @@blueb2356 I’m assuming they were saying that because of the part about the “mood swings”. That being said, OP said that it was caused by an SSRI therefore eliminating the possibility of mood swings previous to the medication thus removing HPD as a possibility on that front.
      Please note this is an ASSUMPTION on what the person replying meant, this could obviously be wrong.

  • @OreElect1
    @OreElect1 Před 3 lety +8

    Patients had no idea how dangerous it is to become a psychiatric patient and trusted their doctors, willingly following their advice, until they found out years later that their lives had been ruined.
    If you have a mental health issue, don’t see a psychiatrist. It is too dangerous and might turn out to be the biggest error you made in your entire life.

    • @OGGHOST364
      @OGGHOST364 Před 2 lety +5

      Yeah that's what we all say until we hit a major breakdown and end up running back to get meds. Vicious cycle, I'll rather stick to meds 👍 while being off meds the disorder just keeps progressing, getting traumatized and developing new fears because of being untreated

    • @tonylittleton3396
      @tonylittleton3396 Před 2 lety +3

      @@OGGHOST364 hey bro may I ask what personality disorder you currently have? I have avoidant personality disorder and I am scared to take medication

    • @livelystones7773
      @livelystones7773 Před 2 lety

      @@tonylittleton3396 did you end up taking meds for APD?

  • @princessadora
    @princessadora Před 3 lety +2

    Do these doctors check for medical issues when assessing behavioural patterns? After 3 years studying psychology due to my issues I now think I have a brain tumour :/

    • @princessadora
      @princessadora Před 3 lety +1

      Came just under threshold for borderline, dx generalised anxiety

    • @microbios8586
      @microbios8586 Před 3 lety +1

      This is always my concern about these psychiatric diagnosis. Mexican actress Paty Navidad was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia a few years ago. Turns out she had a brain tumor. She is still insane though which is why Twitter permanently suspended her when they kicked out Trump. 😬

    • @Bojan_V
      @Bojan_V Před 3 lety +3

      A professional psychiatrists do check for medical issues if necessery.

    • @princessadora
      @princessadora Před 3 lety

      @@Bojan_V psych put me on medication which just about killed me, later found out no good for people with my medical condition which was un - dx

    • @princessadora
      @princessadora Před 3 lety

      @@Bojan_V it's always necessary if there is potential which there always is

  • @janakeller9737
    @janakeller9737 Před rokem

    I have disdain for many psychiatrists' whom in themselves are egocentric.

  • @risingeagle6332
    @risingeagle6332 Před rokem

    That’s funny….
    Oxymoronic statement: “I don’t believe in like “always or never”.
    Absolutes are “absolutes”;
    belief has no say in this at all, because of what one believes. 🤣

  • @sal2975
    @sal2975 Před 3 lety +4

    Why is BPD so popular? It's been all the rave lately.

    • @gypsy-nr9zd
      @gypsy-nr9zd Před 3 lety +4

      Lmaooo popular where ??

    • @sal2975
      @sal2975 Před 3 lety

      @@gypsy-nr9zd The internet, specifically CZcams.

    • @yolisazokufa
      @yolisazokufa Před 3 lety +30

      @@sal2975 uhm BPD is not a rave, pls don't come into this space and be insensitive. It is a daily fckn struggle that is not that funny at all. We are finally getting access to resources like these, we are finally speaking about how we struggle, we are finally starting to get out of bed. So pls, read the room.

    • @pasteljoy282
      @pasteljoy282 Před 3 lety

      because it's the most studied

    • @tonylittleton3396
      @tonylittleton3396 Před 2 lety +2

      Anyone here has AVOIDANT PERSONALITY DISORDER ? Living hell of an illness daily. I am suicidal because of this.

  • @omayrabruno529
    @omayrabruno529 Před rokem

    El Asunto Importante: “Aquel que tiene al Hijo tiene la vida; aquel que no tiene al Hijo de Dios no tiene la vida.” (Versículo 12.
    Este pasaje enseña:
    Dios nos ha dado vida eterna y esta vida está en Su Hijo Jesucristo.
    La manera de poseer la vida eterna es poseer al Hijo de Dios
    Dos asuntos importantes deben ser preguntados y respondidos:
    ¿Porque es necesario poseer al Hijo de Dios para tener vida eterna?
    ¿Cómo puede una persona poseer o tener al Hijo de Dios?
    El Problema de
    La Separación del Hombre de Dios
    De acuerdo a Romanos 5:8, Dios demostró Su amor por nosotros a través de la muerte de Su Hijo. ¿Porque Cristo tuvo que morir por nosotros? Porque la Escritura declara a todos los hombres como pecadores. Todos somos pecadores. “Pecar” quiere decir errar en el blanco. La Biblia declara que todos hemos pecado y no podemos alcanzar la Gloria de Dios. En otras palabras, nuestro pecado nos separa de Dios quien es perfecta santidad (rectitud y justicia) y Dios debe por lo tanto juzgar al hombre pecador.
    Romanos 5:8 Pero Dios demostró Su amor hacia nosotros, en que siendo aun pecadores, Cristo murió por nosotros.
    Romanos 3:23 porque todos han pecado y no pueden alcanzar la Gloria de Dios...
    Habacuc 1:13a Tus ojos son demasiado puros para aprobar la maldad, Y Tú no puedes ver la maldad favorablemente.
    Isaías 59:2 Pero tus iniquidades han hecho separación entre tú y tu Dios, y tus pecados han Escondido Su rostro de ti, para que El no escuche.

    El Problema de la
    Inutilidad de las Obras del Hombre
    Le Escritura también enseña que ninguna cantidad de bondad humana, esfuerzo humano, moralidad humana, o actividad religiosa puede ganarse la aceptación de Dios o llevar a alguien al Cielo. El hombre moral, el hombre religioso, y el inmoral y el no-religioso están todos en el mismo bote. Todos están caídos de la Gloria de Dios (de la Perfecta Justicia de Dios.) Después de discutir sobre el hombre inmoral, el hombre moral, y el hombre religioso en Romanos 1:18-3:8, el apóstol Pablo declara que tanto Judíos como Griegos están bajo pecado, que, “no hay ningún justo, ni uno siquiera” (Ro. 3:9-10), y que “todos han pecado y caído de la Gloria de Dios” (Ro. 3:23.
    Además de esto están las declaraciones de los siguientes versículos de la Escritura:
    Efesios 2:8-9 Por gracia han sido hechos salvos a través de la fe; y esto no de ustedes, es el regalo de Dios; 9 no como resultado de las obras, para que nadie se jacte.
    Tito 3:5-7 Él nos salvó, no sobre la base de obras que hayamos hecho justamente, sino de acuerdo a Su misericordia, por el lavamiento de la regeneración y por la renovación en el Espíritu Santo, 6 el cual Él derramó ricamente sobre nosotros a través de Jesucristo nuestro Salvador, 7 para que habiendo sido justificados por Su gracia podamos ser hechos herederos de acuerdo a la esperanza de la vida eterna.
    Romanos 4:1-5 ¿Qué podríamos decir que Abraham, nuestro progenitor según la carne, ha encontrado? 2 Porque si Abraham fue justificado por obras, tiene de que jactarse, pero no delante de Dios. 3 Por qué, ¿qué dice la Escritura? “Y Abraham creyó a Dios, y se le fue contado por justicia.” 4 Ahora a aquel que obra, su salario no se le cuenta como favor, sino como deuda. 5 Pero a aquel que no obra, sino que cree en El que justifica al impío, su fe le es contada como justicia,