BAR 1918 A2 | Why it Sucks & How to Use Effectively
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Had an old friend that carried one in the South Pacific. He and his squad stumbled upon a Japanese patrol resting in the grass. They jumped up to engage the American patrol and Harry dumped them with the BAR. I know it haunted him the rest of his life and caused some drinking problems later on. During a quiet moment years later, he said, "You know, under different circumstances, those fellows and could have been friends". I told him, "Perhaps, but they were attempting to take you out and you were just faster". I added by saying, "You were just doing your duty and so were they". I finished by telling him I was proud of him and he was a good man. He was kind and religious, but fought the war every night. I loved him like a brother. Good night Harry.
Harry was right. War is awful.
Thank you for sharing that.
Sorry my friend
That generation did many good things. It's sad that so many felt the haunting guilt they did. My dad was in WWII , and I see them as heroes. Not perfect, But still amazing.
Thanks, I needed that.
I knew a man who was US Marine Corp BAR man in WWII Pacific. He claimed to love his BAR; no serious problems. He laughed and said “you should’ve seen them scatter when the BAR started talking.” Shortly after he began to cry and I felt bad for asking.
To my point (above). The BAR is unsurpassed at saying "get your head down". Some people might think its slow rate of fire was a negative. Quite the contrary. The slow rate let the "Bam-Bam-Bam" come through loud and clear. Your acquaintance was recalling the brotherhood bestowed upon him when the squad took comfort in the BAR scrambling the enemy. The German MP42 (European Theatre) was the only comparative weapon due to its extremely high rate of fire.
I have never met a ww2 veteran who hated it!
Well, taking people's lives is something you probably never get over....even in self defense. A good man who did his job.
@@richardgreen7811 Yes, But as a machine gun role , BAR failed at it miserably. The point of having a machinegun in your team is the suppressive firepower to pin your enemy in place, covering your infantry. BAR has too less rounds capacity with only 20 rounds per mag, it is not much different from a normal rifle with an increased firing rate. The US even had to resort to field 2 BAR gunners per squad to make up for the low suppresive firepower, while the German only need 1 MG42 in their squad.
@@macobuzi At the time (according my many of my friends in WWII) it was a very well appreciated weapon. It is a 30/06 and also due to its barrel configuration (length) it had a distinctive sound that make the Germans hunker, even if the direction of fire was not directly at them. My guess is, although you're a young person ... you know better than the participants.
my grandpa carried a BAR in Korea. quite funny when I was explaining me carrying a 249. he got his hands on a 249SAW and laughed, said bullets were too small and he preferred wood stocks
Typical the statement of a old Veteran: "everything from the past is better". In fact, a SAW can run circles around a BAR all day long. Infact: almost every machine gun from every country since the 1930's could run circles around the BAR. The BAR was always a POS
Most BARs had polymer stocks too, though, sooo;)
@@czwarty7878reply to a 9mo old comment 😂
yeah definitely, lots of polymer stocks in the Korean mountains circa 1951 😂🤡
@@rustyshackleford9017 bro are you right in the head? What's the difference if it's 9 months or not? And yes M1918A2 was produced mostly with polymer stocks, only part of early A2s had wooden stocks, you can check this in literally 15 seconds by googling it:
"In 1942 a shortage of black walnut for butt stocks and grips led to the development of a black plastic butt stock for the BAR. Composed of a mixture of Bakelite and Resinox, and impregnated with shredded fabric, the plastic butt stock for the US Army was formally adopted on March 21, 1942"
But sure, you can just stay stupid and confident instead, and send more idiotic emojis, maybe someone won't catch.
Fudds, man.
FUN FACT: Even though the BAR saw little action in the end of WW1 it did not become a standard issued weapon of the US Army until 1938!
This 18-pound WWI Model 1918 Browning Automatic Rifle fired from an open bolt, and the forward movement of the bolt caused some aim disturbance. However, the BAR was a very accurate weapon, particularly when fired from any handy rest.
The Army's WWI combat success of the BAR caused the British to consider adopting it, and they tested a version in their 303 rifle caliber. The French also considered adopting it in 30-06 caliber. Neither of these projects continued after the end of WWI.
It was a Chauchat but more reliable.
My Grandpa, when he was in Vietnam picked up a BAR during a raid on a Vietcong arms cache. Carried it through his entire first deployment as an advisor. He really wanted one as a civilian, it was his unicorn, but sadly he passed before I learned of Ohio Ordnance Works or he definitely would have bought one from them.
Gramps had himself a good tour, then. RIP Gramps.
May he rest his soul and have respects and thanks for his services in heaven, I hope he is having the time of im his life in the afterlife with his BAR
Did he kill the enemy with it or did it just look cool so he carried the BAR?
@@monetschannel5773 hope he didnt kill no one
@@polskagurom12345 impossible to do if enemies shoot back at you and you want to survive, i don’t have the right to say anything about that but i do know they did what they had to do
Grandfather was on Guadalcanal, marines only had bolt action 1903’s, at the time, no carbines or garands. He was squad leader that had to get CO’s approval to carry BAR instead of rifle. At the time and of the choices, it was the best of what they had. Army had the better choices at the time. But it was got him through the battle of the Teneru river there and it chewed up the Japanese.
USMC-1960-Camp Geiger-Still remember the procedure to clear a misfire-Pull-Push-Tap-Aim and Fire. Pull the bolt handle to the rear-push it to the fwd position- tap the bottom of magazine to make sure it’s seated and vibrate any sand that may cause stoppage of feed-Aim and attempt to fire. Almost 20 lbs, about twice the weight of M1 Garand. Jogging with the B-A-R for any distance can be a challenge until you adapt physically.
The Bren. Not entirely because i'm British. bigger magazine capacity and held to be more accurate. My bro actually shot one in the Army Cadet Force. He loved it.
I held a BAR one. Very muzzle-heavy, which I assumed was to make it more controllable on full-auto.
The Bren also had the easiest barrel change mechanism ever invented (I used the updated 7.62 L4 version but more or less the same weapon).
When I was in the CCF we loved the Bren. Used it in in the army, my mate carried one round NI and fired it in anger in 1980. Our 4 man bricks carried 3 SLRs and one Bren, all in 7.62. 120 rounds each with the SLRs and more for the Bren. Out in the countryside we felt well armed.
American here.. Bren was an amazing weapon. BAR wins with stopping power, but not by much. .303 is still a great round. The BAR when deployed with bipod is a real accurate, chainsaw. But overall I agree, the Bren was best LMG of the war. Good engineering
You should take a look at Ohio Ordnance’s HCAR which is a modernized version of the BAR.
Yeah I've really gotta talk to Bobbie at shot. I have a mag58 coming and I want to get their Patrol upgrade kit in.
I will give that A look, Thanks!
It's an abomination. Like the tacti-cool lever guns. 🤢🤮
@@KeifsandersonIt beats the absolute shit out of something fielded in fucking WW1.
@@BigPuddin Really though? What marked improvement does it have?
As a dedicated 2 man LMG platform that is capable of walking fire - then the Bren all the way.
The BAR got my Dad thru the last 6 months of the war in Europe. He said the absolute FIRST thing anyone did was take the bipod and carry handle off and "throw them into the woods". Dad wore two bandoliers of magazines Pancho Villa style. Dad was big (for 1944) - 5'11" and 185 pounds. That's why he carried the BAR. He said he RARELY shot it more than 3-round bursts. To save the barrel, and he said the Germans always came after the machine guns first. Watch hickok45's CZcams of trying to walk while shooting the BAR, and he is 6'7"...almost uncontrollable.
My grandfather was a marine in WW2 he was a corporal he fought against the Japanese . Thank you for your father's service .🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
I'm still in awe of all the firearms invented by John Moses. Also, how many are still in use today.
One other item. When most of us think Browning, we're mainly thinking 1911s, .50 M2s and HiPowers. Alot totally forget or don't even know about all the sporting arms he brought to market. Whether by Winchester or FN. Among gun makers, designers, he's like the God of all things that go bang.
This is like demolition ranch but more history
And less shooting ☹️ shooting coming next summer.
Yeah, and more unique content with less stupidity
@@rcl8793 it’s something everyone can enjoy
Demolition ranch is a bunch of goofys who luckily haven't killed themselves, this guy knows his guns and the history, I just have one question are they all REAL? I mean I know they are real but do they fire? They honestly look like movie props
@@ryo0o0o88 Would you say the risks he takes isn't worth it for how successful he is?
I worked with a guy who used one of these in Korea but whats weird is he used to hold the carry handle instead of the grip when using it. He had a weird overhand hip fire technique but it seemed to do the job lol
COLT MONITOR!!! A automatic rifle based on the BAR action . With a more ergonomic stock ,and shorter barrel to cut weight . A 'Curts' muzzle brake helped reduce felt recoil and prevent muzzle rise. This was the first official rifle of the FBI . Also sold to other countries as a Colt Monitor, and other designations . Awesome fire power !!!
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My first thought as well. The Monitor was super cool. Kevin Costner rocks one in Highway Men.
i was issued a 1918 BAR while undergoing USMC Advanced Combat Training in 1962. Was never trained in walking fire. Instead, was told to use it to pin down enemy troops so the riflemen could pick 'em off. Doctrine said three round groups--triple tap.
It's my understanding that the BAR was produced for a couple of years before a slight modification made it possible to use the base of a cartridge during disassembly. Mine was one of the earliest model; I "liberated" a butter knife from the mess hall to pry open my weapon for cleaning.
I might add, the BAR was a miserable thing to lug about. No matter how you slung, hung, carried, or toted a BAR, it hurt you with pokes, swipes, pinches, gouges, and sheer lumpen weight.
Sounds like my Dad. He finished training in the Marines in '62 as well. He actually loved the BAR. That and the M14.
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Only fired it in MC Boot Camp as fam fire! Very accurate! It was integral to our fire teams in the infantry. Each fire team had a BAR man. A lot of fire power! Three rifleman and one automatic rifle! Then we got the Damned tinker toy!
Went in the end of 59. occasionally my helicopter squadron in Vietnam a crew chief would get his hands on a BAR. That came about when we medevac South Vietnamese troops. They were armed with M 1s, Thompsons and BARs At the time.
The BAR was not a machine gun. It was a rifle and had to be cooled down after firing 80 roounds. So it was best used as an assault gun in amongst the rifles.
Yes.
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Its intended function was as a light machine gun but it was an outdated design. Too heavy for assaults (although as you say that was how it was best used), magazines too small for a light machine gun, a very slow barrel change... I don't know how it lasted so long in service.
My dad carried one on a PBR during his tours in Vietnam they used to have to patrol with the marines they carried due to personal shortages I don't know much about what he did just know they would patrol the river ways and do searches of villages and boats along the river to try to provoke the enemy into an open engagement he loved and hated that gun he said it weighed you down but when you got in a fight it was the gun the held the tempo of the battle due to the 308 could and would punch through trees and other heavy cover
The BAR was awesome because it was our first good attempt at the portable light machine gun. It allowed for some neat squad tactics based around the idea of "walking fire." tuck it under the arm in a chicken wing and you can fire and maneuver that's what the ergonomics of that stock are great for and why it's not great for aimed fire from the shoulder.
My Grandfather was at the battle of Ardennes with the 17th airborne. The 17th was tasked with clearing a town of Germans, and had to deal with close combat sweeping and clearing house to house. He told me he dumped his M1 for a Thomson Machine gun, and a sawed off Browning shot gun because they where better suited for house to house sweep and clear battle than an M1.
What does this have to do with the BAR?
Bullshit. And where did he get the sawn off shotgun from ? Did he find a brownie laying on the ground, and magically pull a hacksaw out his ass ? Shotguns weren't issued in large numbers in European Theater.
@@MrSniperdude01 He got the Thompson and the shot gun through attrition. When the original issuer of the weapon died he took up the weapon for himself.
@@christophersanders5007 stop speaking in cryptics man, it's not helping you.
I just got done telling you shotguns weren't issued in large numbers, yet you're asserting he took it off a guy.
FN Browning (Belgium) got captured relatively quick and immediately halted gun products with limited use -- things like Shotguns
@@christophersanders5007 he acquired the Thompson thru attrition also ? So the gun that was GI, that was widely issued to many troops, he still needed to take off dead combatants ?
May I ask what side pop-pops was on again, because he's starting to sound like one of the Dirlewangers or Mike Hoare's Brigade.
"Acquired though attrition" = I saw it. I liked it. So I killed for it.
Awesome video man, a lot of good information and you are entertaining.
I always love the videos that you do in this format.
Please keep up the great work and awesome content.
Thanks for the support Gary 🙏🏻 I’ve got about 150 more of these to get through!
@@armandgun I'm going to enjoy watching them like the rest of your content.
I hope that you and your loved ones had an awesome holiday.
When I was in the Corp we still had them in inventory which was weird because we didn't deploy them. I did get to FAM fire it and I thought it was stupid heavy and mags go fast but I still liked it. My understanding is that Marines who were issued them during the war did in fact love having them.
I can confirm that the BAR is a heavy and unwieldy weapon, the recoil may be light for a .30-06 but in my experience it'S also weirdly straight, what should be a good thing but with this weight and balance it brings you off target for quite some time. The one I shot had a peep sight, though, a bit better than a tiny notch, but as you said there are many versions out there and none is great in full auto. Still - the brick has character, build for the apocalypse.
Colt Monitor true battle rifle❤️
Tripod 1917/19
Etc sustained Fire from fixed position or vechile. BAR is a hiker’s gun
My dad was a Marine BAR rifleman in Korea. He certainly didn’t think it sucked.
The block on the safety is to make sure you don’t rack the bolt with the weapon on safe because it will damage the sear. The same applies toe M240
Really enjoyed your video on the 1918 a2 bar. I used to be a class 3 dealer and owned and shot different full auto bars and of the American types I prefer the original 1918, which I agree had better sights. I also much preferred the original 1918 woodforend as it protected the shooter's hand much better than the a2s did. Also the a2 heavier barrel added unneeded weight to the rifle yet did not make it particularly more controllable. I also much preferred the higher cyclic rate of the original 18, and very much disliked the low cyclic rate setting of The a2, which major 20 round magazine last longer but through your shots all over the place. The a2 that you show in the video seems to actually be a converted 1918, that was later partially converted to a2 specs. The selector is definitely from a 1918 as is the gas regulator. The a2s were later made with a much better gas regulator. The 1918 gas regulator that you have on the specimen that you showed in the video was very difficult to adjust and clean in the field. And unfortunately, particularly in a humid climate and with corrosive world war II ammunition the gas cylinder interior could quickly become clogged with carbon fouling and actually inhibit the movement of the piston. But they are not a true light machine gun and never were. They are an odd type of machine gun called a machine rifle, which was a hybrid of a semi-automatic rifle and a light machine gun. And difficult to use in a truly effective lmg role. But I have known world war II bar operators who by skill and experience made up for the bars shortcomings. I have also handled the swedish, Belgian and Polish bars which had many minor improvements. I eventually made up a 30-round magazine out of two 20 rounders and the 30 as you said was a much better idea. They made a 40 round experimental magazine during world war I for anti-aircraft use, but I think a 40 would have been too much for the feed lips and magazine latch to handle. On the other hand a 30 seems to be handled very well by the design of the latch and the feedlips of the magazine. I shot my bar many times at various targets and at distance, including at the Target drones at the Big Sandy, dry Creek and many other shoots and shot down a fair number of them with the 1918 bar. It could be shouldered and swung faster than the a2 and the high cyclic rate, used with short bursts was much better than the a2 lower cyclic rate option. Your bar also has the later trigger guard and magazine support guides, but if you look at the top of the receiver at the manufacturer I am betting that it is either Colt, Winchester, or Marlin Rockwell manufacture. I also have a Mark II Bren and a 1916 type Lewis gun in the collection. All of them have their advantages and disadvantages. The bipod is not as bad as one thinks on the a2bar if one has time to get into a prone position, and pliers to loosen and tighten the wing nuts. But without a pliers and in a hurry I agree with you about the design flaws in the bipod. But US army tactical doctrine did allow for a loader helper as the shooter would pivot the rifle sideways with the magazine facing towards his helper who would then shove in a fresh magazine, the empty one having already been removed by the shooter. This technique is clearly shown in the movie The Sand pebbles at the boom across the river fight scene with Steve McQueen, who says to his helper, "magazine"when he needed another loaded one. If one watch is Steve McQueen in the Sand pebbles with a correct model 1918 b a r it is obvious that he used one when he was in the military as he uses all the correct techniques in the way he handles it. Either that or he fired one live and familiarized himself with it before he made the movie. Anyway I really enjoyed your video and much of the humor in it. All best wishes!
The Bren hands down
I’ll take my lmg that was designed as an lmg and adopted from one the best of joy the best inter war lmgs the zb-26
If it was good enough for Bonnie and Clyde and at least one of the agents who ambushed them then I'd say it was a pretty good firearm.
Dallas County Deputy Ted Hinton. After several botched road blocks he wrote his state representative for help getting a BAR from the National guard. His was the only fully automatic rifle in the posses that got Bonnie & Clyde.
Clyde shortened the barrel.
And the stock as well, I believe.. made it a lot easier to use the rifle from inside the vehicle.
@@Bayou_Russ Yes, Hinton had a Colt Monitor, a variant of the BAR. I've seen the death car up close and you can see where most of the 30.06 rounds entered Clyde's side and exited on Bonnie's side of the car.
@@kayakdog121 Me Too,, St. Augustine, Florida , Clyde Barrows Ford, coupe, The 3.06 is a Beast Round.
Had friends who served in the Vietnam. They carried a M16 but said a 12 gauge Mossberg was their best friend in the jungle.
I have met several Vietnam vets that also prefer heavier calibers to the 556/223
As a BAR owner i must defend this guns honor. Nice video, i liked the background details and thank you for pointing out it has the worst bipod in the history of American firearms; i only keep the bipod leg mount on the end of the gun for stabilization or "jammin it up against something." also enjoy seeing you point out the gun(s) it inspired also the 249 and 240 (fn mini and mag) from its operating group just being flipped upsidedown. i would wonder about the version America ended up taking over those better ones you mentioned; did that have anything to do with price and time constraints? After a surprise attack we may of not had the time to expand production of parts for the monitors or other variants, also even just the extra time it may of taken to construct in factory. I will agree though that it was never a perfect gun and fell short in many areas. But in the way that many other countries has much better MGs we had the better massed produced rifle as you said. Thank you for the short and informative video for the masses. And as for your question about the bren vs BAR...im a 31 and American.
I used to drink coffee with a wwII army veteran (Pacific theater) that carried a bar.
he said they stripped the bipod and the butt plate off to reduce weight.
Love the B.A.R . Great video ! Check out the BM 59 Beretta's modernized M-1
Objectively, the Bren is better. While both are reliable and accurate to a similar degree, the Bren is just easier to use as an LMG. It is a little unfair, though, to use the worst model of the BAR to compare it to one of the best mag fed LMGs in history, but it gets the point across: if the US could bling out by getting their riflemen all semi-autos, why couldn't they give their squads FN-Ds instead of M1918A2s?
However, the based option would be to say the BAR is the best LMG of the war, it yeeted on the Krauts, yeeted on the Japanese, and made the other Allies swoon of jealousy, this is clear to anyone familiar with WW2 History. Therefore, my pick is the M1918A2, hands down, just as the Founding Fathers intended. Cope and seethe, Commoncels.
And somehow its design made its way to the modern era where the HCAR rifle was born
The guest appearance in the video was great, beautiful cat and beautiful gun
Wife & I like fluffy animals. Once we get the ranch, expect the occasional bison haha
@@armandgun giant fluffy
My FIL said back in youth was in the Alaska Scouts, his small stature was tasked with toting the the BAR in his squad.
He said it was 26lbs
The Swedish version has a pistol grip.
My favorite gun ever. It's a dream of mine to own one of those Ohio Ordinance repros they made several years ago
Im glad i discovered this channel,i think it's one of the best gun channel i've found yet.
That safety thing is an interesting detail.
I would take the fully automatic version of the BAR hands down.
I carried the BAR from 1960 to 1962, loved it and did remove the Bipod and bug out handle. I dropped the ammo belt issued by the military of the day and placed 20 magazines inside my gas mask bag for the mags were thin skinned and damaged easily when in the field, the old PPAF if you got a miss fire and for me I adjusted the rate of fire to lowest level. Most miss fires happened if gas port was dirty or dent in magazine. My BAR did not have the select switch as you had on yours it was fire or safe only and no button to press to put it on safe. I got use to the weight very quickly and was skilled enough firing from the hip to be extremely accurate doing so. I was able to fire single shot of 3 to 4 round burst at will. I burned through a lot of rounds practicing my skills and then using them.
This was Bonnie and Clyde's favorite gun during their rampage, also what the cops used to take them down.
Many criminals used it.
M-1918: 20 round bottom feed box magazine, NO quick change barrel.
BREN: 30 round top feed box magazine, quick change barrel..
BREN wins hands down.
Now, if John M. Browning had designed the BAR in either .30 or .35 Remington, it may have been the world's first assault rifle.
Back in WZ1, this thing can destroys people in mid to long range. But now in WZ2, the SR 25 is the god
Even R. Lee Ermey said it himself: the Bren is a much better LMG
One of my favorite guns,the bar and the bren, dispite it's flaws.
Browning automatic rifle is definitely one of my favorites based on its status not function🤣.I just want to cry seeing all of your guns and thinking about the laws u are facing . Are u going to need to give most of that stuff up or is there some way you are going to be able to keep them? Thanks again for the vids
My feeling on what you are talking about here is the gun was requested, designed and prototypes build for evaluation and testing in a very short time frame. The gun was submitted to the Military for testing and was approved and went into production in an extremely short time frame. It was approved and they started rocking. The feasibility of the design was awesome and it filled a very big hole in our military when it was introduced and it was loved by all who were assigned to this weapon. Then like every other US military weapon it went into a update on the design to make it BETTER. What some people dont understand all the time is that "better" needs to be looked at in an overall term not just better and in shooting the gun but better in many ways and one of those was "PRODUCTION" what changes can we make to the gun so we can produce it faster and for less money, sounds trivial but trust me its a very big part of a weapons system in the US military! We need as many as fast as possible, how can we make this happen? Grease gun for example cost the Military like 3.00 each and we could build a truck load of them every hour 24 hours a day! See what I am talking about. Lets look at the Thompson, why did the cooling rings on the barrel disappear, Cost of production and the time it took to produce them. This is very likely what your seeing in the BAR in question here.
Definitely the BREN 🇬🇧🏋️
The BREN is a light machinegun. The BAR is an automatic rifle.
Give me a BREN on a 3 man team.
Detachable barrel for Continuous fire.
30 round magazines
You are correct, so the USA lacked a true light MG in WW II!
Such a cool weapon, if they went the FN route and added a pistol grip plus a thirty round magazine. Then, it would have been a truly bad ass gun. I always wondered what the general officers who approved that were smoking, it must have been some good $hit.
It's called making 500,000 instead of 20,000...
The name is sounded out by letter B-A-R, an initialism that is not pronounced as a word, and not the acronym "bar" as in the Marine KA-BAR.
BREN every time . 30 round, top loading mags , quick change barrel and very smooth action .
Nope. Magazine Fed. Don't compare it to the BAR - compare it to a real machine gun - a Belt Fed machine gun.
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@@BobSmith-dk8nw did you know that the BREN also could be converted to a belt feed?
The question posed was BAR or BREN , which would you choose ! Not BAR or any other machine gun .
@@edmundscycles1 Then your answer is disingenuous because it's predicated on bias - not performance.
@@derrick4544 seeing how the BREN was rechambered in 7.62 NATO and used around the world (still is by India) and a similar system was proposed for use by the US Marine Corps I'd probably say the BREN out performs the BAR in reliability and ease of use. South Africa only stopped using the BREN in the 1990s when replaced by the Fal Mini . How many armed forces use the BAR after the 1960's?
When you look at the features flexibility of use and ability to use 30rd mags / 120rd pan mags or be converted to belt fed and calibres . Quick change barrel , easy to clean and field strip , adjustable gas block for adverse conditions , very quick mag changes for a 2 man team and comfortable to use from prone , hip or shoulder it beats the BAR hands down.
My Dad's best friend in the Marines told me the BAR was the best weapon he ever used. I want one badly. My Dad carried it for a short time before a new guy joined the squad. The new guys quite often were given the BAR. He told me it was also a great firearm.
Excellent Episode 👍 I.m new here. Have you ever reviewed the USArmy,s standard issue WW1infantry rifle? My Grandfather was in WW1 and I,m curious 🤔
You have the best collection of guns, I have ever seen, plz let me know when you want to go shooting, I have the place!
beautiful pieces of artwork
Hope you manage to get your hands on a Madsen MG. If you like Bren guns you'd love the Madsen!
I agree we should have adopted the pistol grip trigger group on the BAR if nothing else
got a chance to fire this on rock and roll it was quite controllable, it just chugs back and forth doesnt rise much
The Bren for sure . Built to be a purpose built LMG not a trench broom designated as one
The Bren. A superior weapon in every respect. Clearly, the US needed every gun possible at the point we entered the war, and we didn't have the time or interest to develop something more modern than the BAR at the outset. The US could have chambered the Besal light machine gun and 30.06 and gone from there, but hindsight is merely hindsight. It's not always 20/20.
My Beloved Dad was a BAR man at first he hated it there life was 12 to 14 hours on the front line but he came to love it
There was a belt fed version pretty badass
Does that fold out part at the end of the stock help to shoulder the weapon?
I'd use the bren simply for the ammo capacity. but i love the look of the bar more
You need to consider that the BAR was basically developed for the trench warfare of WWI with the concept that it would be fired from the hip as part of the idea of “walking fire”. The Army tactics of the day did not evolve yet 11:15 11:15 to the concept of “fire and maneuver” with fire teams laying down a base of fire while the other team maneuvered. The concept of an automatic rifleman in this scenario waited until WWII. The only automatic rifle readily available to the US military to complement the newly adopted Garand was the BAR. It had a lot of firepower, but as pointed out, it had a significant number of shortfalls, especially when comparisons are drawn with other automatic weapons designed for sustained automatic fire.
Nothing the genius John Browning invented sucks.
Good video 👍
My dad use to say the best way to use the BAR was to use the high tuck method. The buttstock under the armpit nice and tight. Walk and just point and pull the trigger
That's why they should have produced 30 or 40 round mags, or even a 50 round drum. If you're not going to use the bipod, that would limit anything more than the 20 round mag, why not?
Loving the tiny SVD next to the real SVD
I went looking soon as I read this. 🤣
I've always wondered why nobody made the later, very non tactical magnum caliber BARs in a similar pattern. A high cap 300 Win Mag semi (instead of a 3 shot hunting rifle) seems like a no brainer to me. Too heavy maybe?
Far too heavy, expensive to manufacture also.
COMBAT: Reviewing or comparing a BAR when you have never used one in combat provides no credibility to those who have. There are three aspects to a BAR. 1 = It is "monster heavy". Even the largest squad member was a friend to the other squad members because of the frequent rest stops necessary to lug her around. 2 = NOTHING / NOTHING / NOTHING says "put your head down" to the enemy like a BAR. A Thompson, being .45acp says "rat-a-tat-tat" (it's even quiet). A BAR says "bam-bam-bam" in slow menacing baritone notes that force a knee-jerk reaction from the enemy. That time edge allows fellow squad members to move up on an engagement or to flank without being seen. 3 = As a 30-06, and with that monster barrel, the BAR can reach out a great distance when necessary. If you have an emplacement out there 500 yards, the BAR and M1 (same caliber) could put rounds on target with serious killing power. Carrying a BAR was Herculean, but having one in your squad, along with a guy who understood its use and capability provided a great comfort.
Some say the colt version was better. But fn is nice always. Arm n gun salute
Don't forget the Polish BAR.
On the tv show tails of the gun. A WW2 guy said they always gave the BAR to the smallest guy in the platoon.
Help him get stronger. They do it in alot of armies.
Devastating weapon in the hands of Clyde Barrow he cut down one of his the fire 🔥 power and the heavy round was something that was hard to match in those days
Aka the "Whippet"
Have you ever seen a colt Monitor for sale? Would be amazing to see it on your channel.
Most (certainly the majority of) photo's of GI's from WW2 show the m1918 BAR being used without the bipod.
I just don't get the point of that. Without the extra stability of the bipod, trying to keep a burst vaguely on target beyond 50 yards would be just about impossible. It was a short range weapon.
The m1918 certainly wasn't used for the same purpose as the LMG or GPMG in any other army.
My grate grandpa carried one of these in Korea. He told me he was pissed because he was short and it was big. He told his commander, "Why do I have to carry the biggest gun?" his commander told him," the smallest target gets the biggest gun. "
I’m sure many noticed the detail that selector far forward is full auto and half forward is semi.
Was good for the time but underutilized. Bren was a better lmg by far, bar should have been used as an auto rifle, not a full lmg. It wasn't suitable for the role but could have been used to keep up the fire while a machine gun.
However the m1 garand being semi auto and standard also could pin at range with good success and made the bar less desirable in that role
Which gun is it at 3:21 behind BAR with pistol ammo drum magazine?
That’s the grey birch. It’s a .22lr with a drum
@@armandgun Thank you for the answer kind sir :D
I never see that gun before
I trained in martial arts with a guy who was in WWII and Korea. He was personally decorated by Chet Nimitz. He told the admiral he'd serve anywhere as long as they gave him his BAR. I have no idea what version it was but most likely it was what you just displayed as all the improvements came from other nations. So not everyone agrees with your overall assessment. Just what heard in the mid 80's from a quiet old man who was bad to the effin bone.
Nice video man..thanks
The BAR does NOT "suck".....you're looking at this WWI vintage weapon through your Rose Colored Eyeglasses of 2022. In WWI, the BAR was a game-changer and used with devastating effectiveness to "sweep" German trenches. Yes, the German's had their own equivalent; both were considered "highly sensitive" and neither side wanted their gun to fall into enemy hands. My grandfather was an Army BAR man in WWI.
Suggesting the BAR "sucks"....is highly offensive and suggests you might not know the weapon system's highly successful history.
And, NO, it is NOT on par with today's weapon systems....but the BAR does NOT "suck".
Hello ,l was just watching your clip on the BAR . You commend on putting a pistol grip on it to make it more better ha ha .Heres a bit of history on the BAR Bonnie and Clide had made it some 26 inches shorter and a working 56 round mag before we entered ww ll.l think the air borne or marines fighting off a bonzie attack might have like having such a weapon to use.Sorry for the spelling Bill
Why? They had .30 Cal and.50 Cal and Thompson SMG's plus the BAR - it wasn't about firepower with Banzai charges - it's numbers
Any one who has never been in combat with the bar cannot judge it, computer games do not count. At the time it was adopted, there was only the Bren gun to compare it to. My Father carried one in WW II and revered it for its effectiveness, ease of maintenance, and the devastating 30-06. Take a look at what everyone else had at that time, but the time frame is 1918-1953.
I agree with you 100%. Limitations withstanding, the BAR was and still is a beast of a weapon - if the Belgians we're so clever, why didn't they have their own "BAR"?
@@derrick4544 It was invented by John Moses Browning, an American, and was issued in small numbers to American forces at the end of WWI. The weapon developed its reputation in the banana wars and in China. I believe it was made by FN in other than 30-06.
That is the problem, the design is from the World War 1 and was not intended as a light machine gun, it was a replacement for the French Chauchat. As soon as all countries adopted their light machine gun, they all surpassed the BAR (Bren, DP machine gun, Type 11...). Even the Lewis was better even though it was heavier.
Can anyone tell me what was the rifle next to the BAR with the drum magazine ? Please and thank you. ✌🏼
6:30 is that the paratrooper version of a 308 galil or is just all black?
Wish it came with a bigger magazine. The punching power of this gun would surely rock rocks and could rip apart sandbag/earth bunkers in no time.
It would monopod with anything over 20 rounds and the barrel gets stupid hot with just the 20s.
This weapon along with the other older weapons from the 20th century, are now legendary and still golden up to today. From the Finnish mosin nagant, to the british bren gun originally inspired by the Czech version. You have to admit these weapons can still kill of course, I'd prefere a good old fashioned bolt action rifle iron sights or telescopic scope, don't matter which rifle when it comes to rifles. The BAR did had some firepower though, combined with m1 garands. The annoyance is to constantly reload after 20 rounds!
In my opinion the BREN would still hold up in a war today.
Hey bro , I have a question . If you live in canada then how are all the weapons like machineguns and assault rifle accessible to you ?
thanks to trudy best of luck you will be a criminal
Why do you always leave out the m1 carbine?!? It needs some love too.
Which one is better BAR or Bren ? Lots of other countries copied the Bren design even after WW-2 , nobody copied the BAR during or after WW-2, enough said
Bonnie and Clyde favorite gun what I go with bar not the Tommy like most people think 😇🎯👍👌✌️💯
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