Can I salvage the most unsalvageable late game disaster I've seen? - Civ 6
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Send your files to: Disaster Save Files: PotatoMcWhiskey+CivDisasters@gmail.com
Include the phrase "BIG CHUNGUS" or it will be filtered. - Hry
When sending Potato a Disaster File, have builders being producted in all of your cities, to save him some time.
Yeah this is probably a good tip in general if you see your self slipping start pumping out builders 😂
I mean, if people start following this rule, they’ll probably need to send way fewer disaster files.
I want to see a disaster save file where Potato says, "this is probably enough builders." at the beginning.
can't wait for the save file with builder on every tiles of the empire
I respect the hell out of your profile picture. Best album ever.
"I do think fascism will make our lives easier" - PotatoMcWhiskey, 2024
I come out of every video with a quote like this. "Out of context potato" needs to be a thing..
"Let's immediately change from democracy to fascism" 😂
So what I learnt from Potato:
1. SETTLE SETTLE SETTLE NONSTOP
2. Improve your tiles
3. Fascism😂
Fascism is for disaster save files. If you're playing well, you can win peacefully, so it's best to go for democracy and use the economic bonuses (and, most importantly, the economic _cards,_ cards are always the most important part of any government) to cruise to victory. But if you're behind, you may have to fight wars to stop your rivals from winning... and suddenly military cards spike in value, and that's where fascism comes in.
So basically, the modern-day Israel build.
I like that in these videos imperceptibly potato at a point switches from “your city” and “your empire” to “my city” and “my empire” as he takes ownership
Potato: "You don't need Diplo favor, you can't win a diplomatic victory."
*Proceeds to lose the game at least 16 turns early by not having 2 votes of extra Diplo favor*
haha i was looking for this, when kongo's in the game, you do not allow artifacts to do well.
I think these videos are more educational than the full play thru since you get to learn from mistakes rather than the most optimal strat from the start
I would agree for more experienced players. For newer players, his Arabia overexplained is an incredible starting point. I know this because that's how I got my start several thousand hours ago 😁
I love it when the person who sent in the file is making the same mistakes I do, because then I learn which things I'm doing are mistakes.
Did Potato attend some sort of non-confrontational seminar? "Ah - that's an interesting set of decisions."
If you’re not getting cheaper builders with 2 extra builds… what ARE you doing? How are so many people not improving tiles?! It’s such a good return on investment in the future!
I think it's to do with the game's UI? Consider that buildings are at the top of the production menu, and they directly show you their outputs of production and gold and so on. Meanwhile the builders are lower on the build queue and you have to figure out the return yourself by adding up all outputs of the tiles you want to improve. The builder usually has a better return on investment because tile improvements are strong, scale over time, and the builder makes three of them. The UI does nothing to signal that to you.
@@aidanwarren4980 I guess. It’s just the tutorial and every civ game I’ve played (all the way back to civ 3) always explained that improving tiles is super important and was one of the few ways you COULD improve your civ
@@aidanwarren4980 It's worth getting the more lenses mod if you're on PC, the builder lens can be really helpful to show you what tiles can be improved.
It's funny to me because I usually feel like I've built TOO MANY builders and that I'm not doing enough in other aspects of my civ lmao.
@@CoachHose Cause you want other stuff and theres a constant series of new things that it feels like you need to build.
I had a game where Nzinga (I was playing Amanitore) pulled away on tourism and was on course for a sub 200 as the AI. The way I solved it was by crashing my gold economy to buy as many of her great works as possible. I recovered economically 30 turns later and this gave me the time necessary to produce an army to take her out
I can confirm. This is a solid strategy.
Or sell them on to other ai unless you're the only one standing in the way of the culture victory
11:18 Venetian Arsenal confirmed one of the best wonders in the game
and then ignored when buying aircraft carrier armadas 🤣🤣
@ToonGeneral in fairness, he didn't have time to build them, but yeah, I noticed that too. He probably should have talked us through that decision.
@@Jondiceful the reason, as i understand it, was that the venetian arsenal city was ice-cap locked. the biggest facepalm moment when i saw.
@@Jondiceful yeah I know it's not applicable when buying, but it was still a fun irony 😆 although, I'm not going to start telling Potato what exposition he has to do in his videos 😂
@@ishanchegu that is a good point. I did not notice how useless that placement was 😆
Potato: You don't have enough builders, now let's take a look at the file. 😁
Underrated comment 😂
At 16:28, I would definitely plug in the "Wars of religion" card for another 4 combat strength. That card is amazeballs
A Potato Video on my birthday is all I could ask for!
Happy birthday!
I’m curious, what is not all you can’t ask for?
Happy birthday
@@swyjix Your question has broken my brain a bit, but I like that it's made me think
Have a good one today!
Just like having Grandmaster Chapel and he could have won this game.
Yes 13k faith is a lot of units to bop the AI
this was super helpful, thank you!!
also, im losing it over you spectacularly mispronouncing the polish city names, it took me a solid minute to figure out you were talking about gniezno at some point 😬
i was like, huh, what is this italian sounding city he keeps mentioning....Oh.
I think you might have been able to pull it off if you immediately declared war on kongo. She had multiple rockbands within the empire so killing them would have stopped her from getting huge spikes in tourism. It would also cause her AI to switch from building more culture buildings to building more military units.
Selling the diplo favor was a good idea but i would have used the gold to spam out 20 submarines and then pillage her entire coastline in a single turn.
When I first started playing civ I improved every tile because it made them look pretty lol. When I learned the value behind it I was like oh cool
I always thought I build enough builders but seeing your disaster save videos has made me think hmmm maybe a few more would be a good idea.
Potato's Law: when in doubt, build more builders. 😅
“I will blacklist your email, because I hate you” 💀😂 I love you dawg
arguably? the better play was to use the like 16k gold you had on that first turn to buy a builder in every city to use those to build units faster, not sure how much of a difference that would have made but not wasting 10 turns per city on builders sounds good to me
i mean, he says kongo is the most dangerous enemy, calls everyone to fight nubia instead of making peace and attacking kongo, says there is too much faith, doesnt get any rockbands to slow kongos culture, doesnt block her bands in his land, instead of gearing all cities for production -> get some naturalparks, slows kongo fixes amenaties over time aswell, doenst check religion before he changes policies...
@@MrSeriousSnape as he said, getting more tourism for himself actually helps Kongo win since it lowers other civ's tourism defense. Nubia was still a threat and staying at war meant he could more easily destroy spaceports in the future. he was peace-locked with Kongo for 11 turns so no choice there, and people weren't joining that war like they were with Nubia. spreading his religion was probably the best win condition at that point. i'm pretty sure Kongo had the anti-rock band policy. gearing cities for production was the only way he was ever getting any units or any useful thing. not checking religion and blocking rock bands was a mistake.
@@atoucangirl amenaties from parks outway tourism in my opinion.
he tried to call his allies into a 2nd war, which they are a lot less likely to do, so why not wait 11 turns and get more people against kongo? He could have still farmed xp on some units (bombers etc.) just damaging nubia a lil, than peace her out and gain some extra funds, we now the ai is dumb.
sending rockbands only kongo shouldn't be that big of a problem , you assuming that kongo had the rockabndcard active is just that, an assumption. (forcing the card into her governtment would take away a more useful card)
spreading your religion into your alliy (portugal) thus most likely gaining grievances by converting his cities seems not that helpful, when you want your allies to join a war.
spreading his religion as the most likely wincon - sure - why not start with kongo and after you brought the war to her, convert the rest of the world. You don't need war to disrupt rocketry, besides that the AI rarely does the project that speeds up sciencevictories, so there where many turns left to deal with Nubia.
I don't mind gearing the majority of his empire towards production but as i said at the start, amenaties would have been pretty helpful. Your initial point felt correct to boost at least his productionhubs with bought-builders but than throw all the money into military.
I'm also not that sure about right away switching into facism, when you first want to get eco going, +5 strength vs nubia seems not worth to me.
And one last thing, sending underteched units (ironcalds etc) or a barely defended carrier out is very risky but under such circumstances you have to take risks if you want to win.
@@MrSeriousSnape "speed up my greatest opponent's victory for amenities" sounds like a terrible idea.
@@atoucangirl the fact, that you only engage with one point, considering its the one that i myself acknowledge to be my weakest one, proves that you are either incapable or unwilling to have a proper discussion.
Don't bother to answer this exchange has run its course.
I think pulling in other civs to war against Nubia might have been a mistake, since they'd potentially be less interested in also fighting Kongo
Making peace with Nubia temporarily might even have been the move until Kongo was dealt with. Might have been able to then get them in on fighting Kongo too.
Agree 100%.
It would be interesting to see you do a playthrough where you go for a domination victory, but you have to raze every city you conquer, even if it was a city you were taking back from an opponent.
This was an great vid and lesson! Way to see it thru top the bitter end Potato!
Right away, no builder charges. Nearly zero
I'm so glad I learned from an earlier video of yours the value of build charges.
I tend to be obsessed with improving my tiles. So can someone explain to me how people avoid improving tiles? I don't get it.
They usually unlock shiny new districts and buildings faster than they can finish building them and forget to stop in between the buildings to make builders. At least in my experience. The difference being I usually just buy my builders with faith/ gold by taking monumentality every single time.
its a habit from early game where you don't have all the tile improvements unlocked, so your not thinking of them once you get all the resource tiles done
only reason i changed was playing random and getting one of the civs that had a unique district that gained bonuses from improved tiles or something like that
@@Jack_Rakan interesting. Once I have several cities, I try to get Liang and have a dedicated builder city. But the other stuff makes sense I suppose.
@@Moose00019 I tend to do the same. I'll buy them as well to just keep cranking them out, especially after Feudalism. Plus some military engineers to rail link everything so those builders can haul ass around the empire.
@@ClockworkOuroborous oh yeah, I need to get better at making railroads. Get better as in, actually make them. I never do
“You’re in a democracy trying to fight wars” welcome to America pal
If you don't have time to watch this video, just imagine Oprah repeatedly saying, "You get a builder!"
Hey Potato, always love these disaster vids.
One of the things I struggle with is when to build buildings, or delay, or ignore them full-stop. In this video you mentioned very quickly about factories and powerplants in the IZ which was something I probably got wrong in my last domination game which had multiple IZs and overlapping AOE factories. Would love to get your advice on how to approach these.
The main problem aside from needing more builders (they had pretty good district planning) was not having a true plan for what to use their faith on. It was their main asset and investment and what was it going to be used for to help them win? They had Tithe, which I always feel is best for domination.
They had Yerevan and never promoted moksha so they weren't planning on going religious victory. They didn't go grandmasters chapel, which imo is far more useful than the intelligence agency just generally (barbs just spawned and I haven't built walls, no problem, surprise warred, no problem need seige or cavalry at the front line no problem) but Especially with such a high faith game. So they weren't thinking domination?
They probably had fun settling a bunch with monumentality and didn't really work towards what kind of victory they were going to be able to get with those cities. Sometimes dance of the aurora can be a bit of a trap and make you settle otherwise bad cities that have a fantastic holy site, 3 population until after the modern era, and nothing else going for it. Not to mention how long they take just to get that holy site.
You're probably right about them getting caught up in a monumentality push, would also explain why they had so much faith generation that they were doing nothing with late game. I find it really hard to make proper use out of monumentality unless I'm playing a religion build. I'll either spend a ton of time ramping up faith production and then not have a use for any of it late game, or I won't have enough faith to get more than a couple builders.
Potato can stop improving tiles whenever he wants
I wonder if the AI recognizes patterns of play then all the sudden Potato takes over and it goes “wait what the hell is going on?” 😂
I think the bigger lesson is:
Start your win condition sooner.
This person could have won a religious victory quite easily. (from what I know)
Yeah this person was sitting on 13,000 faith when potato took over. They had the best faith city states in the game and they weren't buying religious units. Even with all the mistakes they made they could have still won if they just leaned into what made their empire strong. Like imagine if all that faith was actual units that were in the middle of converting the entire world. They might have been on the precipice of their own victory.
Yeah, I kinda wished Potato would have pushed for a religious victory in this game. It was always going to be difficult given what he started with, but I felt like it was the most viable victory open to him.
@@Jondiceful He kinda did. He made tons of religious units. He can only make so many at once because there are a limited number of tiles he can buy the apostles on.
Thanks for another video!
Another great disaster save as always
Potato: "Can I salvage the most unsalvageable late game disaster I've seen?"
Me: *skips to the end of the video* "Aparently not" *returns to the beginning* "But now I want to see why"
Civ makes for such crazy worlds. You're fighting a super power with nuclear submarines, and you haven't even figured out how to make Steel yet 😂
11:20 Venetian arsenal gonna unironically come in clutch in this game, I guess.
I always have one city making settlers (until I run out of room), one city making builders, and one city making traders.
Great video that demonstrates the importance of optimizing your tiles.
I just started playing the game and I really need to learn a lot since this game can be quite complicated to get into, and now I am wondering what improvements should I focus on? I usually build a lot of farms to get more food production to grow my city faster, but I'm really unsure how I can optimize the land around my city to its most potential.
Noo·KLEE·ur, George.
Not Noo·KEW·lar. You're killin' me
I love these disaster episodes
Felt bad about that loosing in the end. But, Builders and Blasters, that's how you win in CIV6. You've made a very good example on how to properly play the game, Cheers!!
I miss finding a new civ series on my feed knowing that ill be falling asleep to potato getting tilted at the AI for the rest of the week.
Kongo's tourism jumped towards the end because they have the bonus on sculptures, relics and artefacts, wich was doubled after the last world congres.
No point for him to get ancient walls… he has steel in 2 turns.
Almost! That's was very informative. I love these videos
Well, if they'd built enough builders, they won't be disaster files.
Brain broken when I see Liang in your 23 pop capital
And then not using that city to crank out an army of builders, am I right?
I like seeing number go up and builders make tiles number go up. Therefore I like builders.
"You don't need faith"
- PotatoMcWhiskey, 2024
The Disaster Save Files series might as well be called "Build builders and improve your tiles" lol
I think tile yields are important, but can we talk about how potato started with like 14k faith and nearly 1000 faith income?
I feel like this game was winnable if the sender had focused on a religious or even tourism(with builders) victory type faster.
Like the one thing they did was churn. Did they improve tiles? No. But 1000 faith per turn doesn’t happen with out the churn
I had this "tourism problem" in a game with my buddy. We thwarted the cultural takeover of the world by giving all our books, paintings, relics, etc to the number 2 for the cultural victory. That gave them more internal tourism, making the game harder to win for #1. Then we declared war on everyone.
Love your content potato, as it got me to try taking on deity (I think I'm still losing though).
Quick question though, why are you sending out inquisitors outside your borders as part of the war? I thought they can only operate within your empire's borders.
Thank you for the education!
"strategy games are about making little gains" Hey potato could you talk to my dota stack and explain that to them? Specifically the guy who thinks last hitting "isnt important"
Do unique districts retain their effects after upgrading? Playing Kupe and am wondering if the marae effects stays if I upgrade it to archeology/art museum
0:52
This part genuinely made me laugh out loud.
Because I hate you
"Usually your allies will join wars for a single gold"
Actually if you offer 1 gold they will happily give you lots of gold with the war as well!
>Not really going for a specific victory
>Play as Jadwiga's Poland
A recipe for a disaster indeed
Jadwiga is good at almost everything, but great at none of them. It's really easy to almost get every win condition with her, but still lose.
I love the way you pronounce Płóck (I'm from Poland)
Potato: Gets save file
Potato: immediately changes democracy to fascism.
Citizens: We are saved!
Potato: I wouldn't save saved more like under new management.
Hey Potato! I was wondering why don´t you buy the builders with which u improve the tiles, wouldn´t that be just like buying the Shipyard, cash for long time production?
🥔 : BUILDER
So basically you have to build builders
0:17 PotatoMcWiskey was just searching for BIG CHUNGUS in his emails, but have found another game save
Yay new video
Does the Roman Holiday AI rework mod also count? I haven't played a game without it in over a year since it's just way too good.
Can't believe he didn't build Grand Master's Chapel with 1000faith per turn
I agree with everything in the video, if they were done long ago.
When the countdown timer is already riding you everything not making a unit instantly is not getting that unit close enough to make a difference in time for it to be relevant. 600 gold spent on a lighthouse for example is not going to get any short term return, it's 600 gold not spend on a unit.
Every thing i look at in this re-enforces that if you generate faith anything but grandmasters chapel sux. Also has there been no monumentality to spend all that faith generation on Civilian units?
I would be interested in where his suzerain city states are. Sometimes you can Levy a far away city state and leverage it to capture a foothold city to buy a frontline war effort from.
So I agree that building builders is important. However, I'm not sure I agree its the first thing on the list when doing a disaster rescue. How many turns before you got your investment back from the builders? If you started the war straight away you could have attacked sooner for sure, and build up on a lower speed
So does this mean that, if we do send a save file with a gameplay mod such as Aircraft Carriers Perfected or Free Flood Barriers for City-States, AND we disclose it, our email address is safe?
Think the war declaration was a bit too late - can be some turns earlier? But ya this is a tough one
always improve your tiles man, productivity is the lifeblood of the empire.
This is like my games. OK but I still can't get my head fully round the mechanics so everything is a muddle.
Is this save file available anywhere so we can try it as well?
I always thought that every player's foreign tourism screen is independent, so that pumping out tourism doesn't actually "take" domestic tourists from anyone else's perspective, and that the sum of everyone's foreign tourists is actually higher than the total tourists generated. Is that wrong?
Like, I remember an earlier video where Potato once said "they way you think tourism works is wrong; here's how it actually works," but what he just described in this video is how I used to think tourism works before I saw whichever video that was.
If this is actually the way it works, then how do people mistakenly *think* it works? Or I guess a better question would be: how exactly does tourism work between players? Are the foreign tourists shared? Can players pull other player's foreign tourists to their empire? Does pulling tourists from a civ into your empire lower that civ's domestic tourists on everyone's screen?
Might have been possible to buy great works from Kongo before denouncing her. Tough game to recover!
Potato should do a challenge where he doesn’t make or capture any builders in a game. Just no builders
Ursa Ryan did this a few months ago as Georgia.
Honestly this seems like a misplay. It's already too late to produce a bunch of builders. Improving all those tiles will set you up to win a war of attrition, but you just don't have time for that kind of war. I would prioritize bombers and aircraft carriers over builders, but even there I think you could have a military engineer build some airstrips on neutral tiles near Congo. Destroyers and battleships are a good idea to protect the carriers, but again I'm not sure you really have time for that. One tank army and half a dozen bombers can wreck most civs pretty fast.
Trading away all that diplomatic favor really came back to bite you, but that's just bad luck. And I think he was running Scripture because he had Work Ethic, which seems like a big miss on your part if I understand correctly (your UI mod isn't showing the production bonus on the policy card, so maybe it doesn't work that way).
Do you accept if we send you potatoes? I got an extra bag of russets.
hey, i've played civ 6 for a few days, i don't have the dlc, any tips?
8:33 "...the two most powerful cards"
Proceeds to list off four cards. I guess they don't teach math in Ireland.
love u spuddy
Bob the builder(s) can fix any save file
Wish I could summit my games lol, I'm on console and just started playing 3 days ago
In hindsight, you might have wanted to focus on just purchasing as many troops as you could, rather than trying to produce them.
"I think facism will make our lives easier"
Faith into rock bands?
As much as I hate religious victory, I definitely would have gone for that with this insane faith income and Yerevan (before potato took over). Could have won sub-200 for sure. The lesson to me is commit to a win condition instead of building random stuff until you’re on the brink of defeat.
Can someone tell me what UI mod is giving him the bonuses from the government policies? Like 100% campus adjacency gives +11 science, for example.
With that ridiculous amount of faith per turn I'm guessing you could win a culture victory just by spamming rock bands, no?
as a polish person hearing you pronounce those city names genuinely hurt my ears
"I do think fascism will make our lives easer" isn't a sentence you hear often.
Venetian arsenal in a city with no access to the world as a whole?
it's encircled by glaciers, right? so zero added value?lol
@@penumbracat Yep, just about the most useless spot to put it. Only thing worse would be a lake with no ability to canal to the open ocean. At least in the long run, the ice there will melt and eventually ships could make it out.
why the hell was he running the faith card without grand masters chapel lol
Work Ethic
To add onto what Entropy said, work ethic with tundra adjacency pantheon. Thats easily another 3-4 production for every single holy site. Having like plus 8 production holy sites is absolutely massive.
PLAY MORE TERRA INVICTA YOU CAN DO A RUN AND WIN IT THIS TIME
i think this player forgot to build the the winning district (eg campus/theater district)...he is not leading in culture and science victory..no wonder he got left behind by the ai...with that amount of faith he can buy so many great people for culture or science
Could you have bought great works from friendly players to slow down Kongo’s culture win?
Maybe should have got peace with Nubia and sold her some Great Works to enhance her culture and steal fewer of her domestic tourists.