Gday, I just brought a round column mill the same, in Australia one they are sold as “Hare & Forbes HM-32”, really looking forward to making bigger and better projects, thank you for the great idea, love the happy dance, Matty
Thank you.. another great video.. I just purchased a old Jet 16 column mill and will have to do some restoration before I can use it.. but sure h videos will definitely help me in the future
Great idea to overcome the problem these mills have. I have just bought my first ever mill and it is a round column mill. Getting use to it slowly just struggling finding a way of raising and lowering the head but keep everything square.
These little mills do fairly well but the round column is kind of a joke. I put a power life with guide on mine and love it but it was a big job. Here's a video on the modification. czcams.com/video/_2JXRt3_4qw/video.html
I feel your pain, got a round column mill as well. Been hung up a few times because of the head rotation. This is an interesting idea though, and a simple enough one to make, so I think that will be on the to do list now.
Certainly not a total fix but it helps! I put a power feed on my Square Column Drill Press and I use it more than you can imagine. Maybe someday I'll figure out how to do the same with my mill
Another great video. A solution i use is to put my center drill in an r8 drill chuck, then put the longer drill i am using directly into a collet. The gives me about a 3" extension.
Made something similar but for a different purpose. Had to add a device to an existing populated back panel in a cabinet. Made a drill and tap extension for a 4-40 thread. Yep, power taped probably 20 4-40 holes with the same tap. Worked great. Still have the extensions.
Good idea. I sure like the rebuild of that power hacksaw. I use a lot of jigs in my work shop but never could i perform one with out throwing out a knee or hip. 😁
I also have a similar mill. I have a piece of 1/2" ground shafting that I drilled and tapped one end in the lathe, tightened a long set screw into the hole and installed a 1/2" drill chuck on the end. A little more versitile but still no cure for milling.
That's a cool idea. I eventually took the fix for this problem a step further. It was a big modification with works fantastic! czcams.com/video/_2JXRt3_4qw/video.html
There are many folks with round column mills, that are fabricating elaborate systems to keep the head alignment. It seems a simple set of lightweight brackets and simple dial indicator, is all that is needed. You could raise and lower the mill while keeping the head swing at zero.
what are your thoughts on the enco milling machines and enco lathes? I found a mill and lathe for 3000.00 each. mill looks like new as if it was barely used. lathe is not as clean but nearly as clean as the mill both have DRO and mill has power feed in one direction. I heard you cant get parts for these anymore. have you heard anything on them? should I pass on these two machines?
Enco sold a lot of different models. The round column on my mill is my biggest compliant otherwise it's good mill for a home shop. After this video I made a guide system for the head on mine so I can raise and lower the head without losing the horizontal position. The modification was a fair amount of work and maybe $200 in cost. I've never needed a part for mine yet but I'd say they are hard to find. I think they are out there however. $3000 sounds a little high to me but I guess it depends on which lathe and mill. There are some very good lathes sold under the Enco name and some not so good. The DROs and power feed are a big plus.
Lloyd Acra machinery in California 909-899-3000 sells parts for there their rf-31.use the part numbers from this manual when you call joebullisproshop.com/Pro%20Shop/Complex%20Machine%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf make sure your mill matches in the specs of the manual before ordering most rf-30/rf-31 mills are all the same Rong fu,Acra,Enco ect. ect.
@@WinkysWorkshop Acra machinery in California 909-899-3000 sells parts for there their rf-31.use the part numbers from this manual when you call joebullisproshop.com/Pro%20Shop/Complex%20Machine%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf make sure your mill matches in the specs of the manual before ordering most rf-30/rf-31 mills are all the same Rong fu,Acra,Enco ect. ect.
That is a neat idea, I don’t have a round column mill, the whole alignment issue is why I said away from them when I had a bench mill. Of course with a full size knee mill it isn’t a problem. By the way thanks for turning the oil cup to show the channel sticker.
You're welcome. I use the square column drill press way more than my mill for drilling but on some thing it isn't big enough. It's got the HF drill for a power feed to raise and lower the table. Super quick and easy.
Nice job. If you check out Bruce Whitman site he has what is named the True-Line 8 for round column mill. It is under Gemtrek I believe. Thanks for sharing.
They make extra long centerdrills, and Kennametal makes spindle extensions with collets also. 3/4 & 1/2" o.ds. x 12" in length that use ER8 or ER11 spring collets, and a threaded retaining collar. The collets run from 1/16" to 3/8" I.D. in 1/64" increments. Not real expensive, some knockoffs available for less than $20.
I have the same milling machine. When I have to remove the tapershank from the spindle, I reach up and loosen the draw bar. Then I use a brass hammer and give it a whack. Eventually the thread at the bottom end of the drawbar becomes damaged. Any suggestion on how to remedy this problem? Thanks
I also thought you were going to fix the "SLIP" issue on a round column mill.... I have a round column mill on my 3 in 1 from Harbor freight years ago... and yes it does "slip" from time to time and when it does it likes to tear the heck out of stuff.... the problem is the indent and although I have drilled it out to make it deeper it still does it ! .... a peculiarity of the mill I suppose ! I think I will drill all the way through and put in a Pin that I can take back out when not using the mill... because the Pinch idea just don't work ! ..... Bob......
That's actually 67 on my list. The center drill extension was number 54 so it's getting close. :o) (yeah..... I need to plump in a drop behind the lathe)
All you need is a laser pointer. Attach it with a magnet to the mill belt cover and face the beam at the opposite wall and level/ plumb a vertical line down the wall at a convenient location. Align the dot to the wall line, loosen and adjust head height and then re align the mill head following the dot to the plumb line. Obviously don’t bump the pointer during the height change. The further away the line from the mill the more accurate it will be. No need for extensions etc.
I saw a video on that. It's a great idea. I have a feeling it might be harder than you think to align but certainty another way around the problem. thanks!
Appreciate the useful tips on the round column mill..but wow talk about cringe worthy situation of you casually reaching over the spinning lathe chuck with that bottle of oil in your left hand with long sleeves..unfortunately you are way to comfortable with risky safety violations that may not cost you perhaps but could cost a lathe first time user watching you video..just hate to watch your arm getting ripped off one day reaching for a bottle of oil..
I just watched my video again. You're right. To make this is practice is probably not a good idea. With that said, I doubt somebody watching the video will mimic these actions. To some degree I have improved and modified my action over the years (this is an older video) but I still wear a long sleeve shirt and have even TIG welded in shorts (the later admittedly made me nervous). The long sleeve shirt doesn't bother me but admittedly, if I was teaching a shop class it would be against the rules. I will consider my actions a bit more in future videos. Thank for reminding me. Maybe I need to have a disclaimer in my videos. There are many actions deemed illegal in industry that I don't follow. I think common sense and total awareness need to be a guide, not the safety rules. --- Here's a short story you might find interesting. I worked for a printing company for almost 40 years. In about 1997 they went totally crazy installing guides on the machinery (I suspect the laws changed). They went from everything nearly wide open to completely covered. In fact, several years before this happened I requested they install guards in several areas and they refused. Anyway, every single year for the next 19 years the accident rate was higher than the pre-1997 rate. This is something to think about! Did the guards create a false sense of safety? I will say that the type of accidents were less serious but common sense has to be the focus, "like, don't reach across the chuck with a long sleeve shirt" Ha . I remember one time a supervisor insisted I install a guard on a conveyor. I resisted because it created a pinch point. Technically there was a place where you could get a finger under a belt. This would be painful but most likely only a pinch. I installed his stupid guard. Later that day he was going to prove it was safe and laid his arm on the guard. The conveyor roller proceeded to take a very rather large chuck of skin from his arm. My personal assessment at the time was "stupid supervisor" but what shocked me even more is that that they he had me move the guard closer to the roller so the pinch point was smaller because according the the rules the guard had to be there. About a years later somebody else got caught in the same place and then they put a sign up highlighting the danger.
@@WinkysWorkshop totally understand home workshop situation.. my comment was more knee jerk reaction at the heat of the moment..only takes a slight distraction like something personal/ family good / bad or even not feeling well to lose focus..which to me means stop for the day..I have a full size Bridgeport clone and a 1440 5hp 12speed lathe..both require thoughtful use..locally there's a round column mill I'm picking up to mainly use as a drill press and was doing a bit of research when I found your channel.. Cheers
Gday, I just brought a round column mill the same, in Australia one they are sold as “Hare & Forbes HM-32”, really looking forward to making bigger and better projects, thank you for the great idea, love the happy dance, Matty
You will love the mill as long as you never use a Bridgeport. I like mine ok.
I have a simular Mill, this is a great solution! I’ll keep it in mind!
And the best wishes for 2020
Thanks, I see it as more of a work around... maybe a solution is coming but so far I don't have an easy cure.
Thank you.. another great video.. I just purchased a old Jet 16 column mill and will have to do some restoration before I can use it.. but sure h videos will definitely help me in the future
Yeah... this was a simple fix but I actually use it a lot. Thanks!
Great idea to overcome the problem these mills have. I have just bought my first ever mill and it is a round column mill. Getting use to it slowly just struggling finding a way of raising and lowering the head but keep everything square.
These little mills do fairly well but the round column is kind of a joke. I put a power life with guide on mine and love it but it was a big job. Here's a video on the modification. czcams.com/video/_2JXRt3_4qw/video.html
I feel your pain, got a round column mill as well. Been hung up a few times because of the head rotation. This is an interesting idea though, and a simple enough one to make, so I think that will be on the to do list now.
Certainly not a total fix but it helps! I put a power feed on my Square Column Drill Press and I use it more than you can imagine. Maybe someday I'll figure out how to do the same with my mill
Another great video. A solution i use is to put my center drill in an r8 drill chuck, then put the longer drill i am using directly into a collet. The gives me about a 3" extension.
Thanks, I've done that also.
Nice job ... Thanks for sharing
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Thanks
Made something similar but for a different purpose. Had to add a device to an existing populated back panel in a cabinet. Made a drill and tap extension for a 4-40 thread. Yep, power taped probably 20 4-40 holes with the same tap. Worked great. Still have the extensions.
Cool... I like it!
Very nice...thanks for sharing!
Sure thing! Thanks for watching.
Your dance moves are still better than mine! Hope you have a happy new year. Thanks for sharing and have a happy day!
Thanks! Same to you. And sorry about your dancing. Ha
Nice! I run a 5 axis machining center at work. I have to make stuff like this all the time to reach different angles.
Sounds great!
Hey Winky, a wee bit of ‘Dad dancing’ never goes wrong at the end of a video. Kindest regards from Bonnie Scotland. Joe.
Thanks Joe! Apparently I have good audience retention (as CZcams calls it). I got a bunch of comments on my dancing. Ha
Good idea. I sure like the rebuild of that power hacksaw. I use a lot of jigs in my work shop but never could i perform one with out throwing out a knee or hip. 😁
Funny... that was a first for me
Sometimes the simplest ideas can be the most ingenious. 👍
Yep, it was simple but I've actually used it a lot! Thanks for the comment!
I also have a similar mill. I have a piece of 1/2" ground shafting that I drilled and tapped one end in the lathe, tightened a long set screw into the hole and installed a 1/2" drill chuck on the end. A little more versitile but still no cure for milling.
That's a cool idea. I eventually took the fix for this problem a step further. It was a big modification with works fantastic! czcams.com/video/_2JXRt3_4qw/video.html
Smooth operator rite there
Funny
There are many folks with round column mills, that are fabricating elaborate systems to keep the head alignment. It seems a simple set of lightweight brackets and simple dial indicator, is all that is needed. You could raise and lower the mill while keeping the head swing at zero.
Yeah... I did this after making this video. Power lift too. czcams.com/video/_2JXRt3_4qw/video.html
hi Wink,and you dance too, take care and be safe till next time.
Thanks Ray!
hi wink,
nice video,thanks for sharing
Thank you too
Those dance moves. I bet your wife loves those 👍🏻👍🏻
Oh yeah... I didn't think she was going to quit laughing!
@@WinkysWorkshop Happy New Year
what are your thoughts on the enco milling machines and enco lathes? I found a mill and lathe for 3000.00 each. mill looks like new as if it was barely used. lathe is not as clean but nearly as clean as the mill both have DRO and mill has power feed in one direction. I heard you cant get parts for these anymore. have you heard anything on them? should I pass on these two machines?
Enco sold a lot of different models. The round column on my mill is my biggest compliant otherwise it's good mill for a home shop. After this video I made a guide system for the head on mine so I can raise and lower the head without losing the horizontal position. The modification was a fair amount of work and maybe $200 in cost. I've never needed a part for mine yet but I'd say they are hard to find. I think they are out there however. $3000 sounds a little high to me but I guess it depends on which lathe and mill. There are some very good lathes sold under the Enco name and some not so good. The DROs and power feed are a big plus.
Great fix for drilling but still need a fix for milling!
Totally agree. Thanks
Thanks I have the same mill. My other problem is finding replacement parts for it.
Yeah... it seems like somebody would be making parts... I'm sure they sold millions
Lloyd Acra machinery in California 909-899-3000 sells parts for there their rf-31.use the part numbers from this manual when you call joebullisproshop.com/Pro%20Shop/Complex%20Machine%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf make sure your mill matches in the specs of the manual before ordering most rf-30/rf-31 mills are all the same Rong fu,Acra,Enco ect. ect.
@@WinkysWorkshop Acra machinery in California 909-899-3000 sells parts for there their rf-31.use the part numbers from this manual when you call joebullisproshop.com/Pro%20Shop/Complex%20Machine%20Instruction%20Manual.pdf make sure your mill matches in the specs of the manual before ordering most rf-30/rf-31 mills are all the same Rong fu,Acra,Enco ect. ect.
beautiful ending
Thanks. it's always good to have fun.
@@WinkysWorkshop the video wouldn't have made sense without this ending, I respect you
That is a neat idea, I don’t have a round column mill, the whole alignment issue is why I said away from them when I had a bench mill. Of course with a full size knee mill it isn’t a problem. By the way thanks for turning the oil cup to show the channel sticker.
You're welcome. I use the square column drill press way more than my mill for drilling but on some thing it isn't big enough. It's got the HF drill for a power feed to raise and lower the table. Super quick and easy.
Nice job. If you check out Bruce Whitman site he has what is named the True-Line 8 for round column mill. It is under Gemtrek I believe. Thanks for sharing.
I think I saw that one. Thanks!
you can buy long center drills fairly inexpensive.
I ran into one of those after making this video. Thanks
They make extra long centerdrills, and Kennametal makes spindle extensions with collets also. 3/4 & 1/2" o.ds. x 12" in length that use ER8 or ER11 spring collets, and a threaded retaining collar. The collets run from 1/16" to 3/8" I.D. in 1/64" increments. Not real expensive, some knockoffs available for less than $20.
I'm always reinventing the wheel. Ha. Good information, thanks!
Happy Dance!
Ha... its good to have fun
A drill entension, great idea. Who was that guy dancing at the end.
That was the Dancing Machinist.... it was a very rare sighting! Ha
ER-16 straight spindle (16mm) is quite cheap , length up to 200mm .
that would help
I have the same milling machine. When I have to remove the tapershank from the spindle, I reach up and loosen the draw bar. Then I use a brass hammer and give it a whack. Eventually the thread at the bottom end of the drawbar becomes damaged. Any suggestion on how to remedy this problem? Thanks
I've never had that problem although the pin that holds the hex to the top sheared one time. Maybe the amount of threads engaged in the collet?
I also thought you were going to fix the "SLIP" issue on a round column mill....
I have a round column mill on my 3 in 1 from Harbor freight years ago... and yes it does "slip" from time to time
and when it does it likes to tear the heck out of stuff.... the problem is the indent and although I have drilled it out to make it deeper it still does it ! .... a peculiarity of the mill I suppose ! I think I will drill all the way through and put in a Pin that I can take back out when not using the mill... because the Pinch idea just don't work ! .....
Bob......
Yeah... I've had mine slip. I learned pretty quick that I need to lock it down solid. The RF 30 doesn't have an indent.
And for the next project we make a place to hang our air hose by the lathe
That's actually 67 on my list. The center drill extension was number 54 so it's getting close. :o) (yeah..... I need to plump in a drop behind the lathe)
درود بر شما 🙏👍❤️
Thanks
All you need is a laser pointer. Attach it with a magnet to the mill belt cover and face the beam at the opposite wall and level/ plumb a vertical line down the wall at a convenient location. Align the dot to the wall line, loosen and adjust head height and then re align the mill head following the dot to the plumb line. Obviously don’t bump the pointer during the height change. The further away the line from the mill the more accurate it will be. No need for extensions etc.
I saw a video on that. It's a great idea. I have a feeling it might be harder than you think to align but certainty another way around the problem. thanks!
Doesn't everybody have a victory dance?
Not that I know of Ha
you should see my girlfriends.
I would think so even us old fat guys
@@chuckthebull Send me a link :o)
@@WinkysWorkshop Might demonatize you
I think that you forgot to turn the camera off at the end. Just messing with you. I forgot to say nothing like a good day in the shop.
Ha.. yeah, I thought that might get a few comments... its all for fun!
Appreciate the useful tips on the round column mill..but wow talk about cringe worthy situation of you casually reaching over the spinning lathe chuck with that bottle of oil in your left hand with long sleeves..unfortunately you are way to comfortable with risky safety violations that may not cost you perhaps but could cost a lathe first time user watching you video..just hate to watch your arm getting ripped off one day reaching for a bottle of oil..
I just watched my video again. You're right. To make this is practice is probably not a good idea. With that said, I doubt somebody watching the video will mimic these actions. To some degree I have improved and modified my action over the years (this is an older video) but I still wear a long sleeve shirt and have even TIG welded in shorts (the later admittedly made me nervous). The long sleeve shirt doesn't bother me but admittedly, if I was teaching a shop class it would be against the rules. I will consider my actions a bit more in future videos. Thank for reminding me. Maybe I need to have a disclaimer in my videos. There are many actions deemed illegal in industry that I don't follow. I think common sense and total awareness need to be a guide, not the safety rules. --- Here's a short story you might find interesting. I worked for a printing company for almost 40 years. In about 1997 they went totally crazy installing guides on the machinery (I suspect the laws changed). They went from everything nearly wide open to completely covered. In fact, several years before this happened I requested they install guards in several areas and they refused. Anyway, every single year for the next 19 years the accident rate was higher than the pre-1997 rate. This is something to think about! Did the guards create a false sense of safety? I will say that the type of accidents were less serious but common sense has to be the focus, "like, don't reach across the chuck with a long sleeve shirt" Ha . I remember one time a supervisor insisted I install a guard on a conveyor. I resisted because it created a pinch point. Technically there was a place where you could get a finger under a belt. This would be painful but most likely only a pinch. I installed his stupid guard. Later that day he was going to prove it was safe and laid his arm on the guard. The conveyor roller proceeded to take a very rather large chuck of skin from his arm. My personal assessment at the time was "stupid supervisor" but what shocked me even more is that that they he had me move the guard closer to the roller so the pinch point was smaller because according the the rules the guard had to be there. About a years later somebody else got caught in the same place and then they put a sign up highlighting the danger.
@@WinkysWorkshop totally understand home workshop situation.. my comment was more knee jerk reaction at the heat of the moment..only takes a slight distraction like something personal/ family good / bad or even not feeling well to lose focus..which to me means stop for the day..I have a full size Bridgeport clone and a 1440 5hp 12speed lathe..both require thoughtful use..locally there's a round column mill I'm picking up to mainly use as a drill press and was doing a bit of research when I found your channel.. Cheers