The Bosch Glide Vs. The Ridgid R4251 same as Delta Cruzer: Which Miter Saw Is Better?
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- This is the different miter saws that use articulating arms rather than rods for their sliding action. I wan0:00: ⚙️ Comparison of two miter saws with articulating arms for flush setup against wall, focusing on differences and features.
3:17: ⚙️ Comparison of two miter saws based on size and wall clearance.
6:30: ⚙️ Comparison of miter saw features and functionality.
10:06: ⚒️ Comparison of two miter saws based on weight, handle size, and trigger response.
13:04: ⚙️ Comparison of deflection between two miter saws using dial indicator and scale.
Recap by Tammy AIt to find out which one would work better in my woodworking shop. - Věda a technologie
Thanks. I've been looking for a comparison of these 2 saws. You're the first one I've come across. Really good breakdown.
I have looked for a comparison for almost a year. I just had to buy both to compare them.
Thank you. This is exactly the comparison people need!
Thanks
Probably the best side by side comparison I've ever seen, thanks! Wish it could have compared the Bosch to the DeWalt but this still helps me confirm I want the Bosch. Great video!
Glad you liked it! I don't buy Dewalt if I can help it.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I've been considering replace my traditional Ridgid 12" with this new style so I could move it closer to the wall but considering the deflection inherent in the design, I'm inclined to stick with what I have. Keep up the great reviews!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. It helped me decide between the two.
Glad I could help!
Nice job with the review! Thank you for taking the time to test and post.
I have been wanting that Bosch for a long time. I've been waiting for the price to come down. As of today, Saturday after Black Friday, its at $549. But I didn't know it didn't have a shadow line or laser. So I'm rethinking it now.
Thanks again for posting!
I caught mine about two months ago for $324.
@@ShopRamblingsIf you don't mind me asking...where?!?!?!?!
At Lowes.
Wow was just wondering about both of these, I'm in the market so I'm obviously check-in vids out...super fair review...I'm on the fence bout both of them lol..the Bosh just looks super well built...thank you for your time...
Glad to help.
I have the 10" Rigid, and I love it! After I experienced a saw with the shadow line, I 100% agree with you that I couldn't have a saw without it!
It is a great saw.
Good review. I saw another review showing deflection as an issue for the Rigid, but your review compares it to the venerable Bosch, and that was a big help. I really want an LED (and reduced rear clearance), so I will keep looking. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video! I really like your knowledgeable, no nonsense style of presenting. I have had my Bosch 12 inch miter saw for several months now, and I have to say, I pretty much agree with everything you noted. I do miss either a kerf llight or a laser, but I think I will add the shadow line light with an aftermarket model. other than that, it’s hard to imagine a better compound miter saw. Thanks again for the great video.
Great to hear!
Thanks for the review. I am looking at the Bosch vs. Delta too. That dern Dewalt just takes up too much rear clearance.
I can now build a proper miter station. I had to keep my old saw on a stand so it could be moved. I am going to set the saw into the wall so the station will only have to come out around 16"-18".
Before purchasing the 10" Bosch Glide, I did lots of video watching and reading forum posts. There were some claiming there's too much deflection and I thought there had to be something going on. Got mine, gave it a once over to verify the factory setup and its been excellent.
What your video shows is, someone has to be either intentional with the deflection or just so ham fisted with technique that it creates deflection. Keep a smooth front to back arm movement and it'll be good.
Agreed
Nice comparison. I really liked the test for deflection. One thing I learned was how easy it was to influence the cut by standing to one side or the other when pushing the blade through. I was wondering is that the 10-inch Bosch model or the 12-inch. Personally, I would like the 10-inch version as I just don't need the greater capacity a 12-inch saw offers.
Both were 12". I had compared the 10" and 12" Ridgid in another video. As most features on both saws are the same with the exception I pointed out, they should be simular on the Bosch
I just bought the RIDGID 10” Sliding Miter Saw - R4241, for $219 at Home Depot during their Spring Black Friday sale. 49% off. At that price it was WAY worth it! Aside from the deflection, both saws are pretty damn close, so the LED cut line and butter smooth operation sealed it for me. I typically do not rush my cuts so I’m not very concerned about deflection impacting my accuracy.
It is strange. They will be out of stock for months. Then they will be half price. I bought both the 10" and 12" for half price a year ago.
Outstanding video.
Thanks
Finally not sponsored, no marketing BS video, where pro talks about important observation, unlike rest of popular blah-blah reviewers on CZcams. Good job sir!
I don't know if it's a good or bad thing but I don't watch a lot of reviews from others On Tools. I prefer to buy myself and see what I think about them. Sponsored videos are not bad as long as the person gives their true opinion regardless. I have had some companies send me tools, but any video I put out is 100% my opinion. The only thing I have done different on a sponsored video is gave the company the option of me not doing a video if I didn't think it was a good product.
Thanks for this comparison! Great review. I was lucky enough to have picked up the Bosch several months ago at Lowe's at half price ($325). Couldn't pass that up.
Just a couple comments: 1) I believe there is a stiffness adjustment for the bevel in the back. 2) As another commented pointed out, the European Bosch version has a shadow line. I ended up following a video by Drew Fisher of Fisher's Shop (no relation) where he installs a simple shadow line. I took it another step and wired it with a switch to the saw's power and added the light switch into the saw's handle. A little work, but fun and it's sooooo much nicer now.
I got the same deal at Lowes. I still need to add the shadow line.
I had the Rigid and sold it for the same reasons you showed. Deflection at the end of the travel (and dust collection.....which sucks on ALL CMS). Just do not have a compound miter saw in my shop. Most cuts can be done on the table saw although not as convienient.
I use a miter saw 2nd only to my table saw. I should have bought a Kapex but just can't justify the price.
I just got the Bosch recently and accuracy was my main reason for purchasing this. Prior to the Bosch I had the Metabo slider 10" and I wasn't overly impressed. After less than a year I noticed wearing on the slide bars and increased blade deflection at full width cuts. I looked at the Dewalt, Delta, and Ridgid before I bought the Bosch. Despite no shadow line I'm very happy I chose the Bosch. If I want to I can add a shadow line without sacrificing accuracy. It is however a bit on the heavy side but I use it primarily in my shop and only move the saw and stand a small amount depending on what I need to cut
Adding a shadow line is definitely on the list.
Thank you for answering my dilemma from a mechanics’ perspective!
How would you add a shadow line?
The easiest would be just putting in a led like I did in the video I made for the Bauer. With that, you have to put in an AC to DC power adapter as those leds run on DC power. I want to add something like this so I can use a bulb with the power adapter built into the bulb.
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I have wanted a big miter saw for a quite awhile. About 2 weeks ago I was at Home Depot and they had the 12 inch Bosch glide on sale for $330. I asked if that was mistake and the guys said no, they were probably coming out with a new model and were having these on clearance to move them. Needless to say I bought it right there on the spot. After watching the comparison, I do believe I made a good decision. Thanks for the reviews of both. I really never considered the Ridgid though I have a 3 or 4 Ridgid tools.
It can't be beat at that price.
I have the Ridgid. It's a good saw...for the price. I got a great deal on it from HD. I do love the shadow line. It does take more finesse to make a true cut, but I don't really rely on it for spot on accuracy.
I used it for about a year. I liked it but would get in a hurry, and the next thing I know, I would get a cut off. I sold it for $25 less than I paid for the Bosch. Once I add a shadow line, I will have the best of both saws.
Consider adding the aftermarket laser device that goes on the arbor in place of the washer. It seems to work well on my older saws and less than $30.
I bought one of those. It works for one side of the blade. I can make a shadow line. I just have to find the time. It should not be to hard.
Nice, very detailed review, one of the best I have seen. I checked both, I ended up buying the Bosch because the refinement was not even close - not for the price. I agree with the lack of a shadow line on the Bosch - I ended up making my own, which works fine - which pisses me off because the very same saws sold in Asia and Europe do come with the shadow line and a much better wood holder. Bosch international makes decisions that are just infuriating. I am going to be buying the cordless 18V Bosch version (Which comes with laser lines) and take it to Greece (Where I spend three months every summer) because in Europe they go for over $1200!
Good review, keep it up.
Thanks. If they make the shadow line for Asia, you would think they would sell the parts so it could be added on.
I just bought the Bosch , hefty price but I found accuracy being key element in my process
I remember when I was trying to justify spending money on the Chicago Electric. As my skills have progressed, I can justify spending more for a more accurate tool. One day, I hope to progress to the Kapex level.
I added an Oshlun LG-M01 Laser Guide for my Bosch miter saw for about $31 and it works perfectly. Only marks the left side of blade but that's about 95% of the cut position I use. I've owned a couple of these saws since 2011 and would not buy another brand with what is currently offered. The Festool has more bells and whistles but it's more than 2.4X the cost of the Bosch. The Bosch is the best for the money and if you have a Menards in your area, they often are $577 with the 11% rebate, which has been running for most of 2024.
I also have the fixed base Bosch miter stand, which is much more stable than the gravity lift portable stand and has 6' extensions on both sides of the saw, which is longer and more rigid than the gravity stand. Cheaper too. I took my old gravity stand and mounted a cheap Metabo 10' miter saw on it for when I need to take it to a job site.
If you want a longer fence, I replaced the Bosch fence with 3" x 36" long multitracks on each side. By adding a POWERTEC 71119V 36 Inch Double-Cut Profile Universal T-Track with Predrilled Mounting Holes under the multitrack, I can cut thin stock without it slipping under the 3" multitrack. Added additional bracing for the multitrack off my dust box I made, but that's another story. I have almost zero dust with my dust box connected to my 6" DC.
I would love to see your dust box. I want to build a miter station. You can email me at shopramblings@gmail.com.
@@ShopRamblings Pictures sent.
Good review
Thanks!
I have a Glide. And I would never use a shadow line for anything for more than framing or rough deminsions. The rest of the time "for longer material I can get on my table saw" I just slowly sneak up on my knife line. Never used the other two saws!
I love the shadow line on my other saws. I can split a mechanical pencil line with it. But everyone has their preferred way to do things.
Great comparison, thanks. I've been looking at the 10" Bosch. It's a real shame there's no shadow line; hopefully they will refresh this model soon. The deflection on the Ridgid is absurd, but I'm not happy about the amount on the Bosch either (I do more woodworking than construction). I have a crappy Ryobi and want to upgrade because the deflection is so bad. Even if your pressure is perfectly straight down, the blade will wander - maddening! I can get better cuts with a circular saw and a rafter square. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I fail to see the point of a miter saw that can't reliably cut miters. Maybe I should try a non-sliding model, or reconsider my need for a miter saw altogether. :D
I definitely could not do without a miter saw. It is second only to my table saw. But you do need to depend on it being accurate. I had the power 10 sliding miter saw and it was the most accurate out of all of them. It could cut the widest board, even wider than the 12 inch Bosch or rigid. But it was almost 4 foot from front to back. It just did not fit where I needed it to go. They not sliding will be a lot more accurate. However a 12-inch non-sliding can only cut about an 8 inch board. I am happy so far with the Bosch and will be much more pleased once I get a shadow line at it.
Great review. I am curious about the deflection test. You have come up with an interesting way to test for deflection. Have you accounted for any difference in the blades? It would appear that the blade deflection is contributing or what is actually being measured. It also looks like you have two different blades on the saw. The Bosch blade does not appear to have the same level of burnishing on it. This might contributing to the chip out difference? I do not own either saw so I don't have a dog in the fight. I also own both Delta and Ridgid equipment. Again, thank you for the comparison.
I am not sure what difference the blade makes with the saw off. It is the arm moving that is causing the defection. I tried to make sure to measure the same distance from the fence and the arbor using the same amount of force. How would you have tested it?
Very helpful!
I am glad it was.
Thanks for the review. Is there a price point where you would buy the Ridgid instead of the Bosch? Say the ridgid was 100 less, would you then buy the ridgid instead of the bosch?
Yes, I got the Ridgid on on sale. I would have kept it, but I caught the Bosch on sale for around the same price.
In Europe the saw comes as standard with a twin line red laser line, I converted mine to shadow line with 3rd party kit!!
I have been looking for a good shadow line kit.
I have the Bosch and love it. Came from a kobalt which was awful and couldn’t cut 90 degrees. I wish it had the shadow line, and plan to install one. Though I can’t decide if I should install as a separate device and power, or integrate the power and switch into the bosch’s handle like another person showed online.
I have a few ideas that I would like to try, but unfortunately, I have not had the time to do so. ⌛️ If I am able to come up with a good system, I will post a video. 🎥
Which method were you thinking about?
A viewer shared the model number for the UK version of the product. 👀 According to them, it comes with a dual laser similar to the Kpex. 🤔 I will investigate the possibility of obtaining the missing components or adding an E12 bulb base and using an LED. 💡 I will need to assess the available space to determine the feasibility of these options. 🤔 #DIY #ProblemSolving #StayTuned
How is the Bosch saw for keeping clean..as far as the joints that move.? Im so tired of the rails getting clogged with saw dust is this mechanism better
Miter saws have to be the worst for dust collection. A miter station with better dust collection is on my to do list. These are sealed bearings and I have never clean them. About once a week I open the doors and blow everything of with a leaf blower.
I tried two of the Delta saws. They couldn't make a straight cut even after a few hours of adjusting them. I returned both and bought a Dewalt.
You definitely have a greater chance of making a bad cut with the Delta.
Does either saw have a depth stop for making half lap joints?
They both do.
Hi. Can you tell me pkease is good choise to buy ridgit 10' saw? For 219? And put good blade?
Definitely
Hard to find the Ridgid R4251 anywhere. Is it discontinued?
They were out of stock for several months. Then they came back in stock, then gone again. I think they buy container loads at a time but only get shipments every few month. The best way is to sent an inventory notification.
@@ShopRamblingsVery helpful. Thanks!
Would your purchase be at all influenced if the Rigid/Delta was $200 less than the Bosch?
The reason I bought the Ridgid was I got it on sale. About a year later I got the Bosch on sale for about the same price. Having both it was a difficult decision on which one to keep. I think both saws are good saws. I really miss the shadow line from the Ridgid. Once I get one installed on the Bosch I will be a lot happier with the decision to keep the Bosch.
@@ShopRamblingsgotcha! Thanks for the video & input! I think I may go with the Bosch simply for the accuracy, and if a shadow line could be added later it doesn’t seem like the Ridgid really offers much more (other than the savings)
Saludos desde Ecuador excelentes maquinas en donde puedo adquirir??
Not sure in Ecuador, here Lowes or Amazon is the easiest.
Will the Ridged 10” saw cut a 45 degree cross cut on a 2x4 ?
Yes.
I meant to ask if it would cross cut a 2x12. I guess I fat fingered something. Who knows. Thanks for the reply. It’s hard to find the 12” Saw. I found the 10”. If the 10” it can’t cross cut a 2x12 than I’ll have to look at something else. It seams like its right on the border to be able to. Sure hope so because it seams to be a really good saw.
@stgraves260, it can cross cut a 2x12, but it can't miter it at 45⁰.
Bosch's lack of a shadow line was the deal breaker for me. I went with the Delta Cruzer. (It was on sale at Amazon for less than $400 at the time, which helped!) As for the accuracy question, I rationalize that both saws cut very accurately if you use proper technique. You can pull either saw off line, but it appears it's easier to pull the Ridgid (or Delta) to one side or the other. Besides, when I need maximum accuracy, I either lock the arms so the head of the saw just pivots up and down (which virtually eliminates deflection) or I use my table saw.
I felt the same way. I caught the Bosch on sale and figured I could sell it and get my money back. After testing it, I realized how much easier the Ridgid was to get deflection. I have only had a couple of times last year when I found cuts out of square. I was not sure if it was deflection or if I didn't have the board against the fence. I was surprised at the difference between the two saws. I will definitely be adding a shadow line to the Bosch.
the Bosch that comes to the US doesn't have the laser, yet the ones come to the UK, Europe and Middle East have a double laser with the exact size of the blade
@KHworkshop I wonder if there is a reason why they won't sell it in the US? 🤔 #curious #whynot
@@ShopRamblings @ShopRamblings I know why, 40 years ago even longer than that 90% of the tool company made there headquarters in a us state which I totally forgot it's name right now, because this state gave them 30 years tax free on tools, yet this state had one of the most strict laws about safety in the US, because this Sate faced a lot of problems between blacks and white back in the 40s and 50s, anyways so with lots of restrictions the laser can't be built in the tool but the good news the tools tax free time given has ended 3 yeats ago and most tool companies are moving their headquarters to different states now, so in the future that won't be a problem. My bosch saw is coded GCM12GDL not like the us version GCM12SD mine has 2 laser built in with the exact size of the blade, you can check the model number and the history too, I'm not American this is why I forgot the name of the Sate sorry...
@KHworkshop I am going to try and find the schematics can you compare the two and see if I can get a part number to order.
The Bosch has a laser guide. Two beams that the blade cuts between. Pretty sure mines same model. It's the 12"
What is the model number of yours?
I added a shadow line to my Bosch!
Once I get one added I believe it will be a great saw.
Please tell me the exact part you got to add a shadow line to the Bosch.
@@jdw6727 Wish I could tell you exactly but I'm unable to identify the exact part I used. If memory serves it was from a sewing machine light I bought off Amazon. There is another CZcams video were someone else added a shadow line light to the 12" Bosch glide using the light salvaged from a sewing machine light. Perhaps you can find the details there. Good luck.
@@phcalamaThanks, I saw that video.
The Bosch Glide has been around a long time. How do they justify asking $600 for a saw and not so much as throw on a laser guide?
Agreed
This style saw has been out on the market for years now and for the interest of continuing quality improvement you better not be holding your breath. 😂
I don’t know why tool manufacturers can’t or won’t build something that craftsmen demand as a basic function such as repeatable accuracy, durability and ease of use? They all seem to lack respect for the end user of their tools.
The housing is already molded for a light. Like you said, it has been out for years. Why the don't offer an add-on beats me.
No soft start on Ridgid
Nope
Buy the makita. Much better saw
Makita makes a good saw. It is $739. I paid $320 for this one. I can deal with this one for $400 less.