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How To Build A Guitar Business : Perry Ormsby Interview
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
- I sat down with Perry Ormsby of Ormsby guitars for an interview and got to hear first hand how he built his guitar empire. From building one guitar for himself to selling thousands with a Korean production line.
Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:00 Music
1:41 Favourite Guitar Player
2:03 Washburn Nuno N4
3:43 The Ormsby Story
9:12 First Build
10:34 First Order
17:12 "I Have To Make This Work"
18:46 Repairs
22:58 The Birth Of The GTR
25:18 First Multiscale
30:47 GTI Range
35:43 Korean Made vs Indonesian Made
41:37 The Future Of Headless Guitars
46:59 SX vs Hype
49:18 New Factory
55:04 The CustomShop
1:03:33 NAMM 2023 ?
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You are a good interviewer. Letting him tell his story. Well done!
Wow man, i'm only 20 min into this and it's the best guitar builder interview i've ever seen, really nice down to earth guy. Well done KDH
I've been with Perry since the beginning, and what you see is what you get. He is definitely one of the good guys, and deserves all the good things. 🙂
I've never heard of Perry or Ormsby Guitars before but I have so much respect for the transparency and drive to make the best instruments they can. The sparkle finishes on their next run look insane
Same but now that I looked them up it’s safe to say he makes some beautiful fuckin guitars.
The only issue I have with Perry and a fair number of other builders in Oz - they use majority non Australian woods. We have amazingly stable Aussie woods that are unique, I really wish he had built more of his reputation on our timber. Totally get its a custom shop/customer wants etc but we need to be servicing our timber suppliers better if we want real innovation in the guitar world.
We used to use a lot of Tasmanian Blackwood. I got tired of having to buy it years in advance because it was never dried properly.
Not to mention it was never really available in sizes over 150mm. We’d buy every piece we could get.
It’s harder on tools, so takes a little longer to build with.
And then there is the weight.
We still offer it. We never get asked for it. It costs more, but that’s not a big factor.
I don’t care which timbers we use, but I’m going to build guitars that can sell easier, take less time, and easier to work with.
About the only time we use TB now is if it’s a non customer build.
Our market is 82% international. Those guys don’t care about Aussie woods.
@@perryormsby9298 Perry thanks for taking the time to answer personally. Mate, firstly I get you are running a business and you have to go where the market is, secondly I fully understand drying and supply as I’m a maker too. My comment though is around innovation, ie making something others aren’t. Yes the Novak fan system is amazing but others use it too. Before Warwick started using Wenge it was a lowly underfoot timber for parquet flooring! My point is this, yes many customers choose the standards like maple, mahogany and the variations but it would be wonderful to see an electric maker pushing our woods as unique like maton do and working with suppliers to get something that was truly Australian rather than made in Australia with imports. No offense meant just a desire to see our wonderful woods shine - literally.
I'm thinking of ordering an Ormsby someday, I'll ask for Aussie woods.
@@barretprivateer8768 Good for you Sir. Don't be put off by Tasmanian Blackwoods weight Its how you use it - as a neck wood it flames beautifully and it also is a great cap wood as is Red Cedar and Sassafras. For bodies Queensland maple is wonderful and very much like Alder and our Ashes are top drawer. Gidgee works well and can be a good alternative to Ebony for hardness. Silky oak looks like snakewood etc, etc
Wasn't there a bunch of Tassie timber sent to Crimson Guitars a couple of years ago......stunning features.
Having owned 10 different Ormsby guitars at one point or another, I can say I thoroughly love this brand.
Okay Richie Rich
@@robbirose7032 but what if they just sold one to try another o-...I mean yeaaah go to hell richie rich!
I own two gtrs tho and they're hands down my favorite production guitars. Probably my favorite brand period honestly.
@@tylerm8145 nice.
@@robbirose7032 lol re-read my post dude. I sell one to fund another. Hence, at one point or another. 🙄
@@808BassMetal I don't believe you
When I was a teenager I emailed Perry, basically begging for a job.
He wasn't in a position to give me a job at the time, but instead gave me some great advice.
Considering he could have just not replied, it was welcome surprise.
He is an awesome dude! I still value that interaction today.. not that I don't still imagine I life I build guitars every day.
We will likely be looking for more people next year 🤓
@@perryormsby9298 You're in WA aren't you?
@@castleanthrax1833 yes
@@perryormsby9298 Bummer. Wrong side of the country. ✌️
Probably the best interview with a builder/owner I have seen, Perry had loads of talk time, exactly as an interview should be.
Perry is awesome! So glad to see him kicking ass. Great interview. 👍 😁🎸💥💥💥
Wow Perry seems like such a lovely guy I've heard of Ormsby Guitars but didn't now the owner was an Aussie like myself, thanks for the great interview KDH 😃👍
As an Aussie I'm always happy to see my fellow Aussies doing well. Very interesting interview, thanks
Very nice to have a quality Australian guitar manufacturer. I haven't tried one, but I think I should remedy that. ✌️🇦🇺
This is such an interesting, comprehensive interview about the guitar business and building guitars. I just learned a lot about the man behind Ornsby Guitars that I never knew, and I appreciate that you asked more about him so we can get a little insight about how he built his business and why he made certain decisions. You asked very pointed questions, and I appreciate that Perry was willing to answer things about guitar factories and the general guitar business that I’ve never heard anyone else openly address.
I’d love to hear more about the different OEM factories out there, whether brands are worried about their ideas and designs getting copied/stolen when they use OEM factories rather than hiring and training employees to build the guitars themselves.
Thanks for this video!
I think it’s less of a worry in contracting a factory to build oem designs for you, than it is having some random Chinese factory stealing designs.
We are $18k into a court case over trademark squatters in China. They obviously saw our US trademarks get published and within days applied for one in China. We also applied a few days later but they were first.
The trade show Music China had multiple copies on display. I personally handed out cease and desist letters to each company. All but one immediately removed products and we’ve not seen them ever use our designs again. One literally shook my hand and thanked me for coming up with so many ideas that they are going to steal. 🤷♂️
@@ORMSBYGUITARSAUS wow, it takes a lot of balls to give such a backhanded “compliment” to the legit copyright holders’ CEO, to say the least. 😱🤦🏼♀️ Well, at least you stopped most of the companies who were going to produce Ormsby bootlegs. I bet it made an impression that you were the one to personally hand out those letters instead of a random lawyer. The sad part is that those brands just move on to steal numerous other brands’ ideas. I am sure it is extremely expensive, time consuming and frustrating, to constantly have to fight against copyrighted products.
However, you make a good point that it’s less of a concern when you contract a company to build for you. Do you think contracted companies sell information to random factories, though? I mean, some stolen designs seem to hit the market very quickly - often well before the legit brand’s own items hit retail. It happens not just in the guitar world, but virtually every type of product. I say this because I’ve seen this scenario occur with Kickstarters where an American startup is still in the development and/or pre-production phase working alongside contracted manufacturers from overseas. Ultimately, the startup itself and/or backers discover knockoffs being sold on Alibaba, Wish, eBay, Amazon, and similar sites well before the trigger has been hit on manufacturing or just as manufacturing begins. That cannot be a coincidence. There’s obviously not way to prove that the contracted manufacturer passed along info to other factories, but some of the copies are way too close to the original designs - even in cases where crucial details were blurred in photos or not shown at all when Kickstarter updates were posted to backers. It is very possible that they took a stab at making these products on their own, but the copies just seem suspiciously close to the original designs.
Anyway, I appreciate that you took time to reply to my comments and that you spent a considerable amount of time doing this KDH interview. It really was very interesting! I’ve always appreciated your guitars. I wish I could afford one, but I’m very, homebound, and have no cash income (and little help). Been trying to get a donated 24.75” electric guitar from major brands for over two years because the acoustic guitar my mom gifted to me before she passed in 2018 is painful to play for too long due to my disabilities (and then I became ill a few months later, adding to my medical issues), but either I never got responses or was told they have been overwhelmed with donation requests since the pandemic started. It’s a very long story, but I learned to play starting in March 2020 when I was physically able to give it a try. Between my physical issues and a TBI, it’s remarkable how far I’ve come - but now I can’t progress because I’m either not strong enough or it’s too painful to try things like hammer ons, bends, trills, etc being that acoustic guitars are much harder to play that electric ones (even with the action dropped very low and the lightest gauge strings the manufacturer recommends). Playing guitar has become a nearly daily form of physical, occupational, cognitive, and recreational therapy for me - plus, my service dog enjoys the live music as a form of relaxation after assisting me. Anyway, your guitars are stunning, and I always appreciate their beautiful tone and designs even if I’ll never have one of my own. Everyone who has one always says they are very well built. Your artistic talents and furniture background is incorporated into your guitar designs results in beautiful looking instruments with clear tone that can be used for any style of music. I always look forward to seeing your new designs and approaches. Thanks so much for sharing the story about growing up, how you built your business, and the backside of the business because your hands-on approach even after many years of building guitars makes me appreciate Ormsby Guitars even more! 😊❤️🔥🤘🏻🎸🔊🎶
@@MashaT22 I’m sure that there has to be some sort of conspiracy going on with stealing designs. We’ve only worked with companies that we trusted or were referred to. Eg: hardware is made by a company WMI recommended. Pickups too.
We wouldn’t just send out plans to multiple random companies to get pricing.
China tends not to care about if it’s right to do something or not.
I've been trying to find time to watch this since you uploaded it. I finally got to watch it today. Great job man! It was interesting the entire way through. There was 1 negative. Now I want an Ormsby guitar. I've never saw one in America. This guy is awsome. Exactly the type of guy you want building your custom dream guitar.
I really like this guy. He deserves the business
KDH, your videos are great. Its hard not to find inflated music/guitar content. Thanks for making this content, and awesome of Perry to take time and tell us about his story. I learned of Ormsby through his comics and wish to own a goliath someday.
Cannot think about these guits without thinking of shark tank - Still cracks me up they were on that show and SURVIVED!
Amazing interview! Perry seems like a real nice guy! Ordered my goliath last week and was on a leap of faith based on all the reviews. seeing this interview makes very confident and also glad to have put my money in a great company!!
I keep coming back here over and over, i love this interview
This interview makes me realize why Ormsby has taken the industry by storm
I have yet to play one, but I'm really considering getting one in the future.
i have a block letter 5150 that perry was apparently the first owner of, and that is my cool story for the day
Oh geez. I’ve owned a bunch of them. Only a few block letters though. I never bought them new though.
Awesome interview. You've got some of the best Ormsby content on CZcams.
I just got a used SX GTR "Run 10" 7-Sting in Maya Blue... it's pretty awesome to say the least.
Amazing interview - really inspiring to see a company owner so down to earth and chatty. I could listen to him talking all day. Like others in the comments, I now want an Ormsby as well!
Always fascinating to listen to a master of their craft talk about what drove them to make their creations. 9/10 times its because they were dissatisfied with the status quo and had a hunch it could be done better. Cheers to the pioneers!
Quality video, as always. What a nice and passionate guy, now I want an Ormsby...
Fair few Aussie metal muso mates of mine use Ormsby!
Best perry content since his luthierist podcast, so good.
cheers man.
It's great to see a boutique builder that builds quality getting bigger and bigger.
Some big names are getting worse. Today I found my Gibson LP neck is warping, most likely a manufacturing fault and needs work done. It's only 2 years old, and it broke my heart.
Damn…that’s crazy but I’m not surprised 😮
That really sucks.
Great interview and editing. I Love seeing how far Perry, Jett + Matt have come and continue to represent Perth, Western Australia in quality guitars!
Love Perry, he was and still is a big inspiration for me and my business as OD Guitars.
This came on via autoplay and then couldnt stop listening. looking forward to the next long form video
I actually watched this as I'm final assembling a guitar I built from scratch. Finished two this month... It's a record.
I wanted to thank you for two things first bringing back restring sundays and the second one is replying to my comment I appreciate it vary much man .thanks bro you rock!!!!!
I don't know if TAFE exists outside Australia, but it stands for Technical and Further Education, and offers short courses but also offers certificates that are equivalent to university degrees, with an emphasis on the practical side of things. Much more laid back, with instructors who are often more approachable. I've been to uni and tafe, and enjoyed tafe much more.
Great interview, no BS just honest down to earth. Very interesting hearing about Korea & Indo. Good job just letting us hear Perry talk. I only have 1 guitar and always look at buying another but always change my mind on what to get and never buy anything. After watching this and me also being an Aussie I think this is who I will give my money to.
Bought a Run 14 Goliath. Comfy as heck and sounds sweet as a sweet thing.
Love it to bits. Huge thanks for making me aware of these Aussie greats KDH.
One more thing I have been a fan since about 8000 subs it’s so cool to see your channel growing you deserve it!
Perry is an amazing builder and a lovely guy. I really enjoyed that interview! 🤘🏻
Man, best Ormsby ad yet! This was super cool! I want one even more now
Wow dude. Compared to several years ago, Perry has really chilled out and become quite humbled it seems. Great interview. I feel I would be pretty into supporting Ormsby now and will be considering picking one up. Nice work KDH
We all mellow with age.
I wanted an Ormsby back in 2012 but didn't want to wait the 2/3 year waitlist. Looking back, really wish I did.
Amazing interview, really candid and insightful, thank you!
This interview actually makes me ever want to buy this man’s guitars. Such a great human. Also so I snake this guy just instantly knows how to make a guitar.
Mad respect for Perry. Dood is down to earth, fun to bicker with, and builds some of the best instruments on the planet. Thanks for the interview man
What a super cool guy.
Great interview with a really down to earth guy. Need to check out those headless items of wonder
Hey....what am I sorting out?
The comment you were responding to was not me, it was a spam bot trying to scam you.
The comment has been removed and the account banned but this is the 4th time it’s happened.
@@KDH Cheers mate...... surely they can use their time more constructively. Complete bell ends
Great interview!
Great interview went in with low expectations and was blown away by the quality. Good Job KDH ♥
Really dug this interview, plenty of great information for budding guitar builders out there!
Glad to see some positive content. Heat sells but we love to hear from some of the real ones out there. Great vid.
Love all your vids, you rock!
That bridge pickup angle is something I've been looking for for 30 years and was stumped as to why Fender always wanted the bottom strings to sound like crap.
Really interesting stuff. Great work KDH.
Really weird, I got the notification for this video 2 days ago and I checked and it had me unsubscribed! Wtf CZcams?! This is one of my favorite channels!
I wish this video would have been pushed by the almighty algorithm. Fantastic interview KDH
Fantastic video, very interesting guy!
Amazing blokes having a great in depth chat geeking over guitars is just what i needed and now I reaaaally want an ormsby. A single humbucker metal x thank you, maybe even with an evertune. Now, only thing i need is money.
Good one.
Really interesting history.
I'm enjoying this man's story as I write this. So I subscribed. You have good content, and you are a very good player. Even though I wasn't a fan of your Chapman videos, I came across what looked like an interesting video a while back and enjoyed it. I really like how you're accentuating the positive on this video. Well done.
Seems like a great dude, never heard of em before cause they don’t make basses, but if they ever start I’ll get in line!
You've been on quite the roll lately! Great content!
Proud owner of a sick metal V. It’s a “looker” and plays amazingly good. Perry seems like a cool guy- great story teller.
Such a great video
His honest transparency about the Indonesian shop is so refreshing. Any American company representative would absolutely just feed you a bunch of bullshit about everything being perfect to avoid their stock price dropping or whatever. If love to get my hands on one of these guitars. There's an outside chance that I'll be able to attend NAMM in April. We'll see.
they have dealers all over the world now, so depending on where you are, you might be able to find a GTR in store
Look at that Egyptian theme absolutely sick!!!!
Was interesting to hear Perry's thoughts on the Goliath... my reason for getting one was because it looked cool as hell.
Great vid - Pretty much answered all my queries on the Brand & man. - Cheers.
That was a cool interview, especially since I didn't know much about Ormsby (the guitars or the man) before this. Loved his down to earth attitude, this is clearly a guy who loves what he does. Maybe I was too relaxed whilst watching it, but the ending seemed to be very sudden... You did the guitar talk, he moves on to taking his kids to Disneyworld 'Thanks for the interview Perry, bye'... Maybe there was an off screen reason you ended it that way, and it really doesn't matter, it just seemed extremely abrupt. Maybe I'm the only person who thinks this?
Only recently discovered the metal v, its a guitar i will lust after for a long time.
I love my ormsby... all around hard to beat
I live in Perth where Perry lives. Always a friendly guy when talking to him and very knowledgeable. He used to do some of my guitar repairs for before his brand blew up. He was ahead of the game and remember him talking about multiscale years before it got real popular.
Really down to earth guy. Oh, and Perry too of course. Keep up the good work. Would love to see more of these.
Oh man that mohawk-big guy story was so heartwarming
Great interview, and very informative. Well done KDH.
40:49 - When diplomacy kicks in. 😀
Really putting me to shame with the video output/quality recently. I gotta step it up 😂
Yooo sixstringtv! You guys should talk sometime you are both top tier content!!
Love your channel man
@@microwaveableselfie3421 Maybe we are talking 😳👀
@@sixstringtv1 what else have you been hiding from us!
@@sixstringtv1 You gotta step up your game kiddo
What a down to earth guy!!
Now I gotta buy an Ormsby.
Great interview thanks for the video
I love this channel
Loving my custom shop hype machine 7. Very light resonant instrument that is no frills, just quality.
I placed my preorder for the run 14 Goliath early 2020 and once it arrived it was a joy to play on. I can’t wait until they release the Goliath variant with the headstock it looks awesome. I think Ormsby has a bright future regardless of the trends for headless guitars. Their direction is only getting better with the GTI line for other players to get a hand on Ormsby guitars.
No single cuts?? I LOVES me a single cut!! Not a fan of multi-scales though....and the world IS learning how great Evertunes are!
I've spent about 3-4 years trying to get my kitchen renovated. Can someone become emotionally invested in their kitchen? absolutely! Haha. Great interview, good work as per usual.
This was so dope I'm still high. Jokes aside, very interesting interview 💪
Good stuff man. Good Jeb.
Perry is so nice, im glad it was you that did this interview definitely same birds of a flock
What a standup dude, definitely considering an ormsby now
'ken oath mate, inspirational tale/ super smooth interview 🤘
"metal doesn't have to be about killing people" 😆😆 well said sir!
That guitar you pictured for a few moments with the painted rainbow colored fretboard is among the coolest I've ever seen. I bet it looks sick when it gets slightly rubbed off or whatever over time.
I love Ormsby guitars. Already have 2 GTR’s and plan on getting a custom shop in the future.
I checked out their website… I was like, wow, reasonable prices… then I saw that was just the DEPOSIT for a $4k axe!
This is really inspiring stuff to someone who wants to make more guitars for people.
just found a dealer close to me in canada yay. ty kdh. i did not think i could get them here,
Best KDH video ever!
I'have a GTI and it's a monster, better than my solar.
Mr. Ormsby is such an amazing and nice person.
Seems like a great guy, so down to Earth. Would consider checking out bass builds if he did multiscale 5 string basses in lefty.
perry knows his guitars and woods he's a class act when he talks about adding volutes to the neck there the best the old wasburn dime guitars necks never broke they have the beat volutes
I'm really curious what finishes he used on the early guitars. Delivery in 10 days is impressive, most finishes won't even be buffable by then. Unless he used automotive urethane like the big makers.