Nauticus Trim Tab Review/Install - 2018 Bayliner Element
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2018
- Trim Tab review on my Bayliner Element, quick install over view at the end of the video. Stay tuned for more videos; comment down below on what you'd like to see next!
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Just installed mine last weekend and had an opportunity to test them out. If you own this boat these are a must-have! Incredible the difference it makes
First information I have found on speed before and after google searching for hours. Thanks
zash thanks!!
I put the Bennett Self-Leveling Trim Tab system on my Stingray 609ZP, and I can't believe the improvement. I have had them for 3 years now, and I never get tired of getting on plane so easily.
Goat Serious we love ours, every boat should have them!
The scenario that concerns me with the SLT type tabs is when about to cross a wake from tug or shrimp boat you throttle down some which causes tabs to go down and you have sudden speed loss and tabs cause bow to bury deep into wave and swamps the boat or the sudden speed loss with bow throwing downward will cause people to be thrown forward and get hurt. Your thoughts? I realize your type hull may not have big bow movement to begin with but what do you think?
zash hello and thanks for the comment. These boats do really well, not sure what kind of wake a shrimp boat puts off but i have had it in some rough water, nvr had the bow feel like it was going to dive on me. They actually help keep everything stable. Hope this helps!!
What size of prop is that. Is it the spitfire 13.4x15p ?
Have the same boat - will install the smart tabs this weekend - question - how are you connecting the back 2 tie-down straps? it seems they will be running right over the tabs? Thanks - great videos and information!
Garry Oosthuizen hello and thanks! The straps still work just as they did before. Zero issues, they touch by a hair but no pressure on tabs or anything, you can keep your straps on the boat and then test fit them so you have an idea also. If you have instagram, i could send you a picture or any other way. Hope that helps!
Do trim tabs help plane off better?
I have this exact boat and was glad to see your video on the tabs. Do you have any issues with the tabs being in the way of the tie/hold down straps for the trailer to the boat? Thanks!
David Wills no i did not, they touched a little but no pressure from straps. You can keep the straps on and adjust the tabs to keep them away. Plenty of room when i did it! They are way worth it!
I’ve been enjoying your videos lately as I now own a 2018 Element E18 with the 115 on it.
Couldn’t help but notice the CBRE water bottle on the swim platform..... are you on the real estate or property management side of the company?
VWJawbreaker thanks appreciate it!! I used to work for them back in the day, property management side in the expedia world!
@@midwestbuilds cool! I've been with them for 13 years on the property management side of the banking world. Thanks for your videos, tips and what not!
VWJawbreaker awesome thnks!! Enjoy the boat!
Nice boat !!! I just bought mine on amazon
David Mebane awesome, u will be amazed at the difference!! We still have them and wouldnt go back!
Nice job actually doing before and after comparisons. What would you say the measurement is between the top of the shock mount bracket and the bottom of the tab mount bracket? I am considering these but, due to an idiotic design my swim platforms really limit what I can attach to the transom. Thanks in advance for the reply.
it is about 10.5 inches. you could say 11 inches to be safe.
@@midwestbuilds Yikes, no dice. Too bad, it looked promising. Back to researching hydrofoils. Thanks again for the reply.
Jerry Walker thats a bummer but i do hear good things on hydrofoils also!
Did you feel any change in side to side stability if you move around things or people during rinde ?
The boat itself with the two pontoons on each side made it incredibly stable in general i personally think. This improved the stability when crossing wake and made it feel more planted in the water. Highly recommend!
Hey! thanks for the great video. Im considering these for my 21' deck boat. How did they affect the wake? We use the boat mainly for wakeboarding. I want to install these becuase they say its easier to maintain speed at 16/18mph. thanks!
I did not notice any change in wake. The main purpose and help is keeping the nose down at low speeds and stability while cruising
@@midwestbuilds thanks for your answer! Ill try them.
How is it when you make a sharp turn? For example: make a hard left and the right tab is extended out of the water. What happens when the boat gets level? Thank you in advance
alex #161 hey, it isnt noticeable. The boat handled very well, there was nothing like u mentioned. It stays smooth throughout and there is no drag. Really an amazing product!
midwestbuilds awesome and thanks for replying. Awesome videos 👍 and thanks for taking the time to make these videos for public knowledge. 👏👏👏
The problem I have with the product is it just doesn't last in salt water. The gas actuator legs rust and snap. Mine did one season! Expensive season! Am I supposed to remove them for winter and keep them washed in an airing cupboard?? My boat is not even kept on the mooring it is lifted onto trailer and stored after each session.
steve cole never had thought about salt water! Thnks for posting so others can see this!
I bought a brand new 2017 Release 180 with a Yamaha F115XB. It came with an aluminum 13.5x16p 3 blade. Got about 40mph@5400rpm.
I needed to lower bow when I had 200lb more people onboard. Prop shop sold me 4 blade
PowerTech RED4R14PYM that lowered bow too hard and only got 34mph@6000rpm.
My buddy sold me his used PowerTech SCD4R18PYM and I got 41mph@5400 with the extra person and fully loaded. I still need to maintain plane at slower speed and considering Bennet SLT10's but really don't want to lose top speed...
zash these trim tabs would be a great option, they really work and dont slow u down! Thnks!!
How do you get RPM It looks like the boat doesnt have an RPM guage
Silicone will almost guarantee leaks or ror when used below the water line. You should remove, clean and reinstall with 3M 5200 or similar. What were the final results? How much faster to get on plane and how much faster top end?
Dan Wood never had a single leak or crack or any kind of damage. Sure yes there are a million opinions and types as with anything. Appreciate the comment though! The main purpose of these on this boat is to remove the porpoising at full speed, and they worked amazing! Not mint for a speed gain, kept the nose down also at slower speeds!
@@midwestbuilds He's not wrong about the silicone! 5200 is the only correct solution. Silicone MIGHT last, but is it worth risking a rotten transom on your beautiful boat?
@@midwestbuilds most people who smoke haven't died of lung cancer yet either but it doesn't make smoking good advice. The advice you gave is just flatly bad and demonstrably so. Silicon has no business in under the water line fiberglass applications.
Have same boat, what hole on tab did you connect shock?
Dave Nathe i will check tonight and let ya know! I cant remember off the top of my head. Thnks!!
Dave Nathe i have it in the middle hole, there are 5 and im dead center
Middle.to.start.with.then.adjust.to.suit.after
Test.run.😊
I’m torn between the e16, Bayliner 160, and scarab 165. Biggest concern is the e16’s performance. Did you look at the 160’s or scarab 165? Reason for choosing the e16? How does it handle chop? People say the m hull is a flat bottom and not great in chop...
Trammell Stewart personally i would still choose the E16 or E18 all day long. I did look at both, the scarab is super small..made for small lakes, i have been on many small jet boats and im a fan for a couple friends and a lot of fun, but for a family i would stay clear personally. I have seen a couple 160’s and to me they are to tiny, u get a windshield and similar engines but the hull really isnt that deep so chop will still be rough. The element has the most interior room and is by far the most stable due to the M hull. It is true they dont like a lot of chop but it isnt that bad truly. I have had many boats and skis and this is by far my favorite!
ratherbeflying, that’s super encouraging! I have 3 little kids and I’m limited to a 16’ boat for my garage. If you want to sell YOUR boat, let me know. You’ve done all the upgrades that I would do!
Trammell Stewart haha there is a possibility it will go up for sale in august 🤷🏻♂️
ratherbeflying I’m in the market now...so let me know if you want to make a move sooner. I’m serious
Trammell Stewart will do thnks!
Do they also eliminate leaning?
What app on the phone is that for the speed?
The app is just a basic one i found on the app store called “gps speed”. Nothing fancy but it works great! And while moving, yes, they do help a lot with the boats stability. The boat doesnt need much due to its sponson design but it does help!
@@midwestbuilds thanks for the reply. 👍👊
will this work on the 2018 Bayliner F16 ??
Yes it should. Its the same hull, just the different top layout
what prop are you running? I just bought the same boat and it takes forever to get on a plane.
seansmith505 we have the stock 4 blade spitfire prop that came with the boat. If you want to see it i made another video about the engine and prop. You have the 75 horse as well? If so im not sure why you would be having issues. We have between 2-5 people average on boat with zero issues, dont have to hammer it or nothing. But if you are then the trim tabs help a ton...they really make a huge difference. I highly recommend! Thnks
ratherbeflying mine has a 3 blade prop 13.75 x 13 pitch. Not sure why it came like that. Any chance you could give me the specs off of yours. I know I’m asking a lot. Just can’t seem to get a lot of info any where else. As far as the tabs I have them in order. Thanks again man I appreciate it. Also I have been enjoying your videos.
seansmith505 yea i can. Ill try and get tomorrow evening and post for ya. Thnks!
ratherbeflying your the man! Thanks
seansmith505 i checked and it is i believe 13.4x15 pitch...model number or whatever it is (sorry), can be searched and found on walmart.com...it is 488M8026580. Hope this helps ya!
Why does the boat porpoise at high speeds?
Linda Holloway im assuming its due to its length. Not sure though, i havnt heard anyone with the 18 or 21 foot boats complain as much. Maybe also why they dont offer 90 horse motor...they do offer the 90 on the fishing center counsel version...not sure!!
I would definitely pull them off , you need 3m 5200 below the waterline ,, the silicone you used will break down very quickly at that point your opening the transom up for rotting,
What is the measurement of the bracket?
cascazone its roughly 9”x2”
Well.. Did it go 10% faster or did you lose top end speed?
Solar Fry nope no lose of speed, i actually gained 1 or 2 haha. Not very much, the big thing to note is it removes the bad porpoise at top speed and of course planes faster. But overall porpoise is the big one!
Silicone is not the way to go. A product like 3M 5200 Adhesive Sealant is much more suited for that kind of work.
But thx for the video :-)
Per Bjerre Jespersen hey thanks for the comment! I would have much rather used an actual marine sealant but was to impatient at the time. So far after having it out a TON it has been doing great. I do keep a close eye on it, and will maybe re do everything when i install garboard drains nxt spring
@@midwestbuilds after the silicone attacks the surface, it may be hard to remove and that 5200 or anything else wont stick well.
Scott Downey thnks! I havnt decided if i will mess with it or not. But that is awesome info if i choose to, thnks again!
Use 5200 only if you never plan to remove them...because you won't be able to. Otherwise use 3M 4200.
I have a bayliner e16 75hp and I was getting up around 38 on the dash with 4 grown men on board.
nice! not to bad for these little boats!
hmm i see that your boat is still porpoise after trims installed 3:10
Yes but nothing like it was before install. From 2:56 to 3:06 or so everything is perfect around 33mph. Idk if i hit a little ripple in the water or what that caused that at 3:10 but compared to what these boats do without....its worth every penny!
hydrafoil ?
Edmund Jeige i dont have one, never have. Sorry! Thnks for asking
A large benefit to the smart tabs as well is the stability factor, they help keep the boat from rocking while going over waves
@@midwestbuilds Smart tabs have positive reviews.. thanks. Now what about water leakage? Do drains now need to be installed? Why if you installed the tabs perfectly? Further does this void your warranty? Further to that, this should be addressed by Bayliner for the porpoising. Especially since this boat is in its 4th year of production? Did you call Bayliner for your concerns? Tubing with the ARCH is not advisable . Can you tow or even ski from the transom hooks? Can a ski pole be installed rather than a arch ? The arch price is high $1200? thx
Edmund Jeige u are correct in saying that if installed correctly then u should have no water. My boat is fine, nvr had any issues. Some other people around the world have water getting into the sponsons, i was going to install them to make a video but i havnt been in a rush to do so. Porpoising is just something they all do, no sure why. Im assuming this is why they limit the hp of the outboard? Trim tabs fixed so im happy. I have tubed with ski arch, yes people dont advise it, i still made a video just to try it out. The rear hooks on back are plenty strong to tow with, i plan to purchase a outboard tow harness. We do not tube much, mainly wakeboard but will have that option and will make videos this summer. I have not seen any other element tow anything without the ski arch. Not sure if any aftermarket stuff is out there or not. Hope this answers some questions! Thanks!!
@@midwestbuilds I am in Ontario Canada. Buying from a master Mercury technician and dealer. He does not advise on trim tabs...says to pay attention to the props and how you drive the boat. A bridle around the motor has been advised to go around the motor for tubing and skiing. Arch also not advised. The hooks can be used with a power ball. I will find out more once I pick up the boat.
YOU DID NOT SHOW THE RESULTS. SPEED. PORPUSING !
Wow calm down there bud, top speed was close to the same each run, but watch the bow rise on each from the drone footage. Way different, secondly…around 3:06 or so, running 33 you can clearly see how much less porpoising happens. Sorry u couldnt see it but it really changes the handling characteristics
@@midwestbuilds thanks, because of this video I'm going to put them on my boat.