Simon Jordan & Jim White CLASH Over If Everton Players Are Truly Concerned About The Club's Future 🔥
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- TalkSPORT's Simon Jordan and Jim White lock horns over Everton's appeal and if the players are genuinely worried about the future of the club.
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Jim White really is an absolute helmet
I wrote three paragraphs about how much i dislike Jim White the other day. I wish i had been as succinct as you, sums him up perfectly
lol, he's nearly always playing devil's advocate for the opposed conversation dynamic
His job is to offer the different opinion to Simon. You genuinely think he means what he says.
The way you get the best out of Jordan is to counter his points, which Jim is good at.
@@lukepullen3765 he was a helmet long before talksport
He's so unbearably annoying.
I’m an Everton supporter from north of border and Simon is right. Same as Dychey… get scoring goals and we’re fine!!!!
3:13 This is why Simon Jordan is the face of TalkSport.
@@tevildo45 he's also never played the game
@@grassrootsfootball225Neither have loads of people who've followed football their entire life
So? Why does he need to have played @@grassrootsfootball225
Jim white argues like a child
Jim is such a women, never wrong & butches like a kid
Once you go woke, you end up a puppet like Jim 😂😂😂
It’s called playing devils advocate lol.
@@Whysoserious2-2-2 haha to argue like a child is playing delvis advokats? You can play devils advocate without sounding like an idiot
@@Alvicado lol it’s his job that’s why people get pissed if he agreed with Simon all the time would we watch?
Simon Jordan: "You've got players on 3 or 4 year contracts because you're an established PL club. You've got an 80M Pound wage bill. What the hell are you going to do when you get relegated?
Jim White: "Well how about changing the players' contracts?"
Jim I don't think that's how contracts work.
😂
The facts are, Everton lost there sponsor (240 million over 5 years) due to the war with Russia. Everton are also building a stadium that when started they could write off the interest payments, the Premier league changed the rules thereafter.. They wouldn't have breached FFP otherwise. FACTS.
FACTS these lot don't understand fella, absolute clueless really when you think about it.
I also don't think it's corrupt, it really just comes down to bad management and stupid people in positions they have been given a leg up in.
Well said
Exactly!
They deleted my reply, they don't like it up um them TS lot 😂🤣
Jim thinks clubs are providing a Public Service. He can't handle/ understand that they are Private businesses .
tNo you just dont get it man, football clubs are very much a public amenity.. to the overseas fan maybe theyre a business but to the local fans its not just a business its a way of life
@@grassrootsfootball225It is a way of life for us but they do treat us more and more like customers now, ticket prices and shirts through the roof etc
@@grassrootsfootball225 It doesn't matter what fans "think" - that's the reality. Clubs don't run on Public money, therefore their opinions is of no interest to the owners .This is why fans get so disappointed.
@garyh1572 you might not think it matters but even look at Manchester United one of the biggest clubs on the planet but their owners were backed into a corner and are now reluctantly in the process of selling their shares.. And when the fans aren't happy with the manager the owners act accordingly. Fans are the lifeblood of the game and it's our money that funds the game.. if you don't agree with that then this isn't your game man
They are providing a public service for the community
One rule break equates to 10 point deduction. HOWEVER back in 2019 the SNAKEY SIX one rule break equates to a measly £2.7 mil. Fine . NOW THAT IS CORRUPT!!
Keep crying
Everton salary bill is too big and so is their transfer spending.
Everton need to be more like Brighton or Crystal Palace, buy more young talented players and create a better academy
Jim White can't handle truth-bombs. He's like a naive child.
Naive Jim
Simon is speaking facts on this one
Well, that’s exactly right, he backs the courage of his convictions. Unlike that absolute Herbert Jim, he couldn’t find his backside with both hands in the funnel.
The PL is an absolute joke….the game has been destroyed by VAR calls and stupid rules and regulations…..but hey let’s have those top five clubs keep buying top players based on their available earnings. So the smaller clubs don’t have the funds to buy top players, while the top clubs will never violate the financial rules. The strong just keep getting stronger….effectively there are five teams playing in the premier league.
Erm city have violated the rules and going ti be punished
Chelsea have been punished in the past
Wtf are you on about
Totally agree with Simon, the sanction has landed.
We need to concentrate on winning games. Because even if we get 2 points back it only matters if we can continue to pick up points week in week out.
Scoring goals and winning games is the only thing to concentrate on.
'The Lion, The Witch and The whatever else is there...' better Simon 😂😂😂😂
Surely the Everton players know and they try to keep their focus only in the playing field.
But in the end this matter is psychological and of course it comes to the mind of the players now and then, so the Premier League is affecting the performances of Everton just right now.
In the first place it, after the initial shock, it galvanised Everton for a while, but now when the appeal decision is dragging on, it affects negatively.
So if the Premier League's Appeal Board doesn't return Everton at least most of those 10 points inside the coming days, they are really "taking sides" and the word "corrupt" is valid!
It must be awful coming from liverpool and supporting everton. I hope they come back strong!
The idiots that think Everton cheated need to do their research. It was to do with the new stadium payments, which the PL changed the rules midway through construction.
They admitted it stupid
@@heisenbird7045 because they did. But only because of the change of rules regarding stadium costs. Certainly wasn’t because of transfers, as they have the 3rd lowest spend in the PL for the last 5 years.
You spent to much, it’s not rocket science. Luton lost 30, you’ve had it easy
@@SR-kv1ic and probably one of the highest spends the 5 years prior with Moshirir pissing 500mil up the wall on players like sigurdsson.
@@jdogg448 agree
That last quote is brilliant
Coventry got relegated in the year of ITV digital!! Parachute payments that year were not on the same level.
Needed to buy quality scorer but can't. DCL is not a Scorer ,midfield doesn't get much opportunities but missing when he does.
well said simon. everton players only care about there wages
It is a piss take though, taking this long to decide one way or another. Surely the decision to either keep the points deduction in place, lessen the points decucted or overturn it completely could've been made in five days, let alone five bloody weeks.
11:28 Not a big fan of Simon but loved the Lion Witch Wardrobe line , great stuff
To be fair there's players like Coleman have Everton in their blood and care ...sadly that type of player is rare these days
Everton did present some mitigating points to the PL Appeal Board which should count.
And the penalty, a sporting sanction for one minor financial breach, was disproportionate and hugely excessive!
Everton must get the majority of the points, they have honestly earned, back!!!!
Well said
Nobody talks more sense about the realities of get to - and surviving in the Prem than Simon by the way. 👍
If they leave that road as it is outside the dock ground its going to take hours getting to the match and the same getting to houses after the match plus the rail network won't be able to handle the crowds eg match people and people leaving work etc it's going to be chaos your going to have 30 thousand cars maybe more plus coaches etc decending there the congestion is going to be horrendous plus there is very limited parking outside or near the dock ground, in my opinon everton should sell the dock ground and use the money to buy much needed quality players
Does Jim just make himself ask controversial/ daft statements to get a bite for viewers? He's getting worse bless him.
He's bringing less to the party than he used to, that's for sure.
That’s how TalkSPORT get engagement- by having their presenters make ridiculous click-bait statements
Simon is too much for the program.
He’s way too smart for them.
Generally I’d agree with you but not his best moment here . Didn’t address key points particularly well and glib about impact on players .
He’s better than he was here .
To be fair, Simon is starting against low bar presenters.
love listening to simon he speaks pure sense
Jim does his job really well il give him that
Should we just comment on the Mason Greenwood subject on here then ?
Don't see why there is still drama around that was found not guilty and case dropped sorted.
@@RangerVVI he wasn't found not guilty at all .. the witnesses refused to testify against him, no doubt due to the fact he paid them off .. we all know what he did, we've all heard the tapes. Just because there wasn't a conviction, doesn't mean they are innocent. OJ wasn't convicted but we all know he did what he was accused of.
Yes ..what other choice is there if they turn off comments there
@@tevildo45 well he wasn't found guilty was he? Innocent until proven guilty i thought? not just because morons on social media say guilty.
Not really that though is it?@@RangerVVI
When i listen too simon, i genuinely get memorised by him, its like he is the only thing i can hear, i love really bright people its a joy, especially in todays society fck me its bad 😂😂😂
And this is one of the problems with Simon, using big words so he SOUNDS like what he talking about and passing them off as facy...I mean I do like him but he wrong a LOT , only other day he talking about the Law goal that relegated UTD lol
@@g-stergaming4502 thats where we will disagree, i agree at least 90% off the time, he is very bright, and bright people use big fancy words, wordsmiths, there are lots of them, educated people my friend 😆 🤣
Contracts MUST contain a clause whereby players wages get reduced of they get relegated. After all, it's the players that will have got them relegated!!
Did Simon say "tenderhooks?"
Were in the 4th week of the month not the third.
Everton should be apologising to their fans.
Agree with Simon here, assume the points are gone for now...
Well said Simon!
I agree with Simon on this! Its the same as everyone expecting the players care about some fan living in a council house or them supposedly caring about international football matches
Coventry never recieved parachute payments
Ridiculous what's happened to Everton, overspent by about 20M but Chelsea spend over 1.1Billion, the whole FFP calculation like VAR is farcical
As former Everton CEO says the delay is caused by the PL trying to put the lid on the can of worms they have opened by deducting 10 points !!!
How does a simple decision take so long?
Bureaucrats complicating things to justify the huge fees they steal.
Staying in the PL is about what happens on the pitch and not via any tribunal !!!
Do your job garner
i can’t imagine how everton fans feel when they play 115city ffp
Regulators and industries they regulate have revolving doors in senior management, A good example are the utility companies and their regulators, so not sure about stifling these companies, more like enabling. Same thing will happen in Football
I think Ipswich coming from league 1 and being third at the moment puts a hole in the parachute payment question.
What about Luton being cheated by a big club over spending?
I agree with the old man from Disney's Up
Over "whether", not "if".
Any news on kevin Campbell? Apparently he's very ill
hate these clubs that we are all supposed to feel bad for because they used to be big or something? no one feels bad for the likes of reading, derby or wigan when they get point deductions.
I’m on the fence whether Jim White is being obtuse on purpose or if he really is that ignorant 🤔
So according to the Leicester fan “ Everton have been caught cheating”!! Educate yourself for God’s sake. The Premier League changed the rules halfway through the season with regard to the interest payments on our new stadium. That’s why we have fallen foul of FFP. There was NO SPORTING ADVANTAGE! We are getting sanctioned for building a new stadium and the Premier League have messed up big style, they know it and this is causing this delay. Masters needs to go. Oh and by the way Simon, how are Aston Villa a bigger club than Everton? Do you know our history?
Tarkowski seems to be coping
Mad how building a stadium gets you -10. Might influence United's decision to build a new Old Trafford
I'm totally with Jim White on this.
All clubs involved in this, Chelsea, City, Everton, Forest, (take them as a batch if you like) should be penalised
all at the same time, not we've done Everton, now lets do Forest, and we will do Chelsea and City in 10 years time.
Everton are like Manchester United, if 90% of players at both Clubs were truly bothered about the Club they would have handed in a transfer request knowing they're nowhere near the ability needed to take the Club forward. But the opposite happens. You get players either insisting on seeing out their contracts or in the cases of Dele Alli and Sancho, actually gaslighting the fans for having the audacity to criticise them by both crying 'mental health'.
If they all handed transfer requests in and you sold them as players nowhere near good enough then you wouldnt make much money on them and breach ffp a third time
Sometimes I have to remind myself that Jim has to play devils advocate and give an alternative view even if deep down he doesn’t agree with it ….. cos if not he is a blabbering so and so who doesn’t know what he is on about
Aston Villa are bigger than Everton? I wouldn't say so. Both clubs similar sized clubs. Yes Villa have won the European Cup but Everton have won more league titles.
Mate jim white is the helmet and simon jordan is the phalus
Simons exactly right on this one. Once a government regulator comes in, the changes to finances will drastically affect a clubs ability to sign players. But like simon says, be careful what you wish for. Football fans are gna regret calling for this.
4:05
White is spot on.
Andy Burnham was interviewed by sky sports who have yet to show it. Jordan needs to get his facts straight.
Are you journalists if so why don’t you pick up the phone and call them and find out ?
No its not called cheating we were over by 19.5 million because of a stadium being built, in the last 5 years our net spending has been the 3rd lowest in the league, only Brighton and luton have been lower. The prem told us for 2 seasons we could put our expenditure from the stadium against our loses and then changed their minds and in the 3rd year told us we couldnt so get ur facts right 😡
Simon is the man!!! Speaks pure sense
Hey get pep to manage dundee see how good he is
Simon Jordan is spot on here 👍
Jim seems to assume it’s going to go in Everton’s favour….it may well not
Sorry if this is a naive comment, but why is bending the rules regarding ffp in the Premiership different from an efl side going in to administration? It's a similar mismanagement of funds issue when all said and done. They get an automatic penalty of 10 points OR MORE (unless you're Leicester). How can Carragher and Co be so astounded at this penalty imposed on Everton. I have no axe to grind with them, but my only sympathy for them would be if they were to be penalised twice in one season, while the powers that be fail to deal with Man City at all!
Jim stay quiet and just listen to Simon.
Bloody brilliant Simon. A much needed voice of pragmatism in this nonsense idealist world.
I agree with most of what Simon said here but Garner is a local lad so yes it is on his mind all his friends and family must talk about it all the time
Simon Jordan is the type to assess the situation.. and focus on the things he can control.. White is the time to cry and waffle off to his safe space
Reason it's being held up, PL opened can of worms in the decision of points deduction, and not maybe sanctions for buying and selling players. PL are not being truthful around what the policies are in relation to judgements given out. That is the reason supporters and clubs are concerned about. Administration equalled points deduction. Not paying players equalled points deduction. Overspending as everton did, ? Nothing written down around that judgement. Just an enee meanie miney mo pick.
Jim White your glasses ffs on or off
What Simon Jordan is saying is that Everton’s punishment is proportional, when it clearly isn’t AND he’s happy that the appeal has no veracity .
if Simon Jordan had a pound for evertime he mentions he lost his football club he would be able to buy it or another one lol
'Let's get it right' ,,,,, Argument over.
In other words Jim WIN every game now
Thank God we don’t all think like Jordan. Why the 🤬can’t Garner be concerned about the future of the club that he works for? Because Jordan wouldn’t perhaps? We don’t all think in £ notes fella.
How the Dirty PL can penalized the team when the money issues were not on the players but that dam stadium! Should have dont something against the owner not team. Only 1 team hasn't got a penalties kick this year.....Everton. Blind eye when they taken down all year. Premier league is 💩💩run by 🤡🤡. Some teams do whatever others can't. Simon 😶😶😶
Jim “I’m mates with Moshiri” White
Remember Jim ranting on about banning drinking from horse racing. Classic case of a bitter old ex alcoholic wanting nobody else to have what he isn’t allowed. Horrible little man.
Forest also admitted cheating but have not been punished…….yet
Building the new stadium has cost everton with regards to psr. The loss of naming rights thanks to government sanctions and the change in the way interest payments were accountable were no fault of the clubs. We are basically being punished with a sporting sanction for adding £1.4 bn to the economy,creating thousands of jobs which will regenerate North Liverpool. The PL is a joke.
Jordan, Jordan, Jordan! You have just committed a schoolboy playground error of judgement! Against an owner who has made many mistakes with his money and his friends wishing to achieve success and sustainability for the club he bought!
I don't understand what ensured you failed as an owner of Crystal Palace after making millions! The mitigating circumstances, what are they?
We all know the ambitions of Mr Moshiri and his close friend for Arsenal, to make them a Super Club!
Bill Kenwright, RIP! He sold his passion to Mr Moshiri. Someone once said, "Once Everton has touched you, nothing will be the same!"
I think Mr Moshiri wanted to transfer those ambitions to Everton, and his close friend was willing to support the aspiration.
Other than very poor decisions, there are mitigating circumstances that most of us understand and yet cannot digitally express!
Mr Moshiri and Bill Kenwright have potentially left a legacy; structurally, they extended their further commitment to the Scouse Social community values for the people of Liverpool. Everton as a club and the original founding members of the Football League have all left a global legacy.
What did you do?
Is Jim thick, EVERY intelligent decent player should give 100% EVERY game. Get on with it!!!
Arrogance is on another level, he has no idea what waffle is falling out of his cakehole.
Ridiculous from Jordan 🤣
I'm on board with saying the players lead a privileged lifestyle but as if players don't have feelings and emotions just because they are rich...
Of course the uncertainty will be on the players minds. He probably doesn't think that the deduction had no positive psychological impact on the Luton players who looked dead and buried before. Yet suddenly had a great run of form.
This is all caused because clubs are stupid and pay all their players far more than they are worth. If they all got together they could stop all this madness.
Jim White is so far out of his depth it's embarrassing.
It affects approach to every single game from Everton and Luton. If Luton knew Everton were getting points back they’d be going more all out for wins. And if Everton had 10 points back they’d be playing with much more confidence. Jordan never kicked a ball in his life I bet
Tbh it should be city players who are worried...but i guess with the money they have they will buy they way out of trouble...so yh city are just a cheat code..