People's misconceptions of EVs based on poor experience with bad manufacturers

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  • @isaiahwelch8066
    @isaiahwelch8066 Před 11 měsíci +1062

    A few things most people don't know:
    1) EVs, believe it ir not, existed 120 years ago. At that time, the competition was between gas-powered cars, EVs, and steam-powered cars. The company Stanley Steemer is actually the only company I'm aware of today that began it's company life selling steam-powered cars. And in point of fact, Jay Leno not only has a 1908 EV, but also 3 Stanley Steemer cars. Of course, as we all know, cars themselves were invented at a time when horses and wagons were still the default mode of going from place to place, and cars from 1884 to 1910 were considered a "novelty."
    2) Louis is 100% right about the "What if...gas engines were designed today?" question. The way it would work is, a digital key would control a microswitch in the Engine Control Unit (ECU) or the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). That microswitch would basically block, if not turned on, the engine's Crankshaft Position Sensor (CKS) from telling the ECU/PCM to fire the ignition coils. On diesels, because they operate off of compression alone, the control signal would be used to keep the ECU/PCM from firing the fuel injectors, thus preventing a diesel engine from running.
    3) John Deere actually lost a lawsuit against a farmer who refused to pay a John Deere tech more than $800 to travel 150 miles and back from a John Deere dealership to reset his $60K combine's ECU after it bricked, when he had to change out a $125 sensor that went bad, and the combine entered "Limp Mode." That farmer won a Right-To-Repair lawsuit by getting a court to force John Deere to allow independent dealers and shops access to what John Deere wanted as propietary software for diagnostics and repair functions. The independent dealership was only 20 minutes away from the farmer by car, but originally could not access the John Deere combine they sold the farmer. And in all honesty, I'm a believer in Right-To-Repair, not to mention I'm a DIYer myself.
    Lastly, I will say to anyone who likes liberty, likes freedom, NOT TO BUY any new car after 2026. Why? Simple: In the Infrastructure Act passed by Congress last year, it is mandated that all new vehicles, no matter powertrain, have to have installed passive monitoring systems that monitor for drunk driving. If that system gets tripped, for whatever reason, law enforcement will be notified, and you'll get pulled over, even if all you did was avoid a pothole or other road hazard, and even if you are sober. Such a system will also track you and your location, I believe to set the groundwork for a mileage-based tax tied to your license. And why do I think this? Because states like Ohio, California, Washington State, Oregon, Illinois, New York, Delaware, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut are scrambling to replace the lost fuel taxes they anticipate are going to happen, when they claim EVs are going to phase out ICE cars and trucks.

    • @bertruttan129
      @bertruttan129 Před 11 měsíci +16

      Just begs the question.........I know the answer, however ppl need to learn for themselves. I am out of breath.

    • @BullCheatFR
      @BullCheatFR Před 11 měsíci +118

      I'd be fine with a "you are drunk, pull over" notification and maybe the car being a little more hands-on with driver aids when it detects I'm drunk. It's not about my freedom to drive hammered but about everybody else's freedom to not die on the road because of some drunk idiot.
      But this is ridiculous. Calling law enforcement?
      At least we know one thing for a fact. Tesla's implementation will be so fucked up that law enforcement will disregard these notifications coming from tesla cars

    • @Thenolife3
      @Thenolife3 Před 11 měsíci +80

      so new cars will come with prepackadged spyware?

    • @MashZ
      @MashZ Před 11 měsíci +87

      @@Thenolife3 They already do. But in the future, those spywares would have legally mandated power to sabotage you/override your individual decisions. The spywares would be used for more reasons than selling user data to brokers/advertizers and the market analysis of the manufacturers

    • @LazyJesse
      @LazyJesse Před 11 měsíci +19

      This "Infrastructure Act" will not influence the rest of the world right? It's not like the rest of the world Americanizes and imports alot from the US or anything...

  • @KlausWulfenbach
    @KlausWulfenbach Před 11 měsíci +1327

    Imagine considering buying a bicycle that is dependent on a phone app.

    • @bvoyelr
      @bvoyelr Před 11 měsíci +42

      I'd be wary of buying a specialized bicycle anyways. They have all kinds of wear parts. Do you really want to have to buy brake pads, chains, sprockets, and all kinds of other things online because your manufacturer didn't conform to standard? Just buy a bog-standard frame, get an ebike conversion kit, and you can get your bike maintained by any bike shop in the world.

    • @rorikkusu
      @rorikkusu Před 11 měsíci +57

      Anything that relies on a phone app for basic functionality is extra stupid because in a few years the OS will drop support for the API level of the app and you will either have to rely on an old phone just for the app (if it's even still available in the app store), or throw the device in the trash.

    • @jokinglemon007
      @jokinglemon007 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Companies factor in the fact that they're gonna make more money by having a closed eco system into their profits. Would you pay more for something without an app? We both probably would since we are here. But what about most people out there that only focus on the price. As a society we have encouraged companies to do everything they can to have lower prices. And somewhere along the lines they figured out they can increase profitability while reducing prices by having locked down ecosystem and poor repairability

    • @brucesmith9144
      @brucesmith9144 Před 11 měsíci +10

      Nope. Pedal power only.

    • @davidkulmaczewski4911
      @davidkulmaczewski4911 Před 11 měsíci +15

      Imagine considering buying a *car* that is dependent on a phone app. The US auto manufacturer I retired from was introducing phone-based keys, I'm sure with an eye on eliminating physical keys eventually as a cost-saving move.

  • @linsqopiring6816
    @linsqopiring6816 Před 11 měsíci +1250

    I think you're right Louis, if gas powered cars were invented today changing a spark plug would lock your car until you waited two months for them to come and hook up their computer to it.

    • @arandomcomp2427
      @arandomcomp2427 Před 11 měsíci +86

      I think newer cars already do that . John deree dost make electric tractors either.

    • @colinmcbottle
      @colinmcbottle Před 11 měsíci +64

      Since the introduction of ECUs, more and more restrictions/DRMs have been imposed to ICE cars that reduce right to repair and increase dependency on first party maitenance/repair.

    • @jonathanryan2915
      @jonathanryan2915 Před 11 měsíci +49

      Cars don't even have throttle cables anymore! I miss those so much, could actually feel how the engine was doing. The engine is supposed to respond to your input, not take suggestions

    • @liquidsweg4858
      @liquidsweg4858 Před 11 měsíci +19

      @@jonathanryan2915 yeah I love throttle cables

    • @dil6969
      @dil6969 Před 11 měsíci +33

      A lot of cars require a scan tool just to reset maintenance lights and retract electric rear parking brake motors in order to change the brake pads. Even Honda does this shit and it's infuriating.

  • @legendarysideburns2213
    @legendarysideburns2213 Před 11 měsíci +297

    I think part of the problem is that since EVs are new, companies feel like they can lock everything down because it doesn’t come with the preexisting culture of repairability like ICE, regular bicycles, etc

    • @simonspacek3670
      @simonspacek3670 Před 11 měsíci +8

      ​@@weird-guy The question is how much software updates you need? Really. In super easy and inaccurate terms, electric motor is a device that starts spinning when you connect it to the right electric source. So, you have battery, wire, motor and some switch. What else is needed? Let's add some device that checks how much power it consumes and another one that checks heat on the motor and on the battery. So far no software updates are needed. Honestly, not much software is needed.
      So far we have nothing to get hacked there, there is no external connection and basically no software. So, the question is, do you NEED any updates? I think that all those problems start when you connect to Internet, but do you NEED Internet connection? You don't need it for navigation, I remember those GPS devices for cars that had antenna and no Internet.
      There is only one kind of electric vehicles where you need Internet and that is drone with control over Internet. That is crazy thing, you put in SIM card with cell data and you can control it from anywhere. OK, that one needs some updates to protect it from hacking, but for all personal transportation devices a key is good enough.

    • @clray123
      @clray123 Před 11 měsíci

      The problem is that companies are greedy and the consumers are dumb and lazy. Nothing much changed here, except the government now likes to tell you it's "ok" to be dumb and lazy.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 11 měsíci +8

      @@simonspacek3670 I have a 20 year old fan here that doesn't need internet, doesn't need bluetooth, doesn't need apps, doesn't need any keys. EVs don't need that either. If the vehicle doesn't have a build-in monitor to tell me things like battery status or distance travelled I could accept a phone app to tell me those things, but that's about it. And even that app doesn't need network connection. It only needs to read stuff from the EV, nothing else.

    • @simonspacek3670
      @simonspacek3670 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@HappyBeezerStudios Exactly what I said. Electric motor is pretty simple thing.

    • @pandamilkshake
      @pandamilkshake Před 10 měsíci +1

      EVs have been around for about 100 years...

  • @chazlabreck
    @chazlabreck Před 11 měsíci +1378

    Everyone wants to charge a subscription fee.

    • @1439315
      @1439315 Před 11 měsíci +61

      you owe me a fee; per word for your previous comment; plus daily late fee; what is your attorney's number ? . . . . . . . . .

    • @acemad1
      @acemad1 Před 11 měsíci +51

      Cause it’s the perfect passive income

    • @GR-ym8po
      @GR-ym8po Před 11 měsíci +10

      TSA fast pass(clear) is a subscription service.

    • @ProdicalMan
      @ProdicalMan Před 11 měsíci +54

      You will own nothing and you will be happy

    • @richardharrow3697
      @richardharrow3697 Před 11 měsíci

      Subs are fine if I'm paying to have my ass kissed, but otherwise no good.

  • @elenabob4953
    @elenabob4953 Před 11 měsíci +333

    Loosely related, in China they put so many regulations on eBikes and scioters trying to push people to buy electric cars that you have a contramovement where healy people buy electric wheelchairs because they aren't regulated and they have speed and autonomy. Insane times.

    • @BrawlerTheSmokyDutchMan
      @BrawlerTheSmokyDutchMan Před 11 měsíci

      @@elenabob4953 This is so china XD
      But this shows once again how corrupt china is.
      It is kinda also happpening in my city, stores have been offering and pushing electric stepscooters.
      And they are dangerous, unstable, bad brakes and very small wheels but they go like 20mph and the speed they need to react to other traffic is about 10mph, so soon they are gonna be heavily regulated. And hopefully those pesky stepscooters will disapear. hehehehe (I am 28 but got into many near accidents with these drivers with a death wish that can't break on time even if they wanted to)
      And i don't want them to endanger others and me :P

    • @uis246
      @uis246 Před 11 měsíci +20

      ​@@elenabob4953AFAIK youtube sends all comments with links to channel owner for premoderation

    • @chillin5703
      @chillin5703 Před 11 měsíci +20

      Insane the lengths that government is going to try to herd it's citizenry like sheep. You'd think they would've learnt by now. Especially pitiful given the bikes are probably better. But I guess they aren't as flashy.

    • @goodvybe679
      @goodvybe679 Před 11 měsíci +13

      That's actually kinda funny, imagine being on the road and someome who geared their wheelchair to go 60 mph pulls up next to you lol

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci +3

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

  • @reed560
    @reed560 Před 11 měsíci +294

    Just wanted to say, BMW put subscription heated seats in a car that wasn't full electric.
    This was a great video to make Louis. I think my favorite part of watching your rants is that as far as I can tell, you are very consistent in your view points.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +97

      That's my point, it is not inherent to the technology, it is inherent to the company producing it. Making electric bikes or electric vehicles that are not freedom respecting is a design decision, not something that is inherent to the actual drive train technology being used.

    • @rowaystarco
      @rowaystarco Před 11 měsíci +15

      yeah, and there's also some cheap electric cars that don't really have any apps at all. Just made to be really affordable.

    • @reed560
      @reed560 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @rossmanngroup I suppose a more apt phrase would have been "BMW doesn't have a single problem putting their anti-consumer BS on Non-EVs too"
      But one things for certain, you are relentless in the pursuit. A phrase I always liked is: "If you encounter a lot of unneeded resistance, you're probably headed the right way".

    • @rowaystarco
      @rowaystarco Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@reed560 Sadly it seems like companies have to be forced to be more consumer friendly. Politicians passing laws are important. Apple is really being pushed in the right direction by EU now.

    • @OGruurd
      @OGruurd Před 10 měsíci +1

      Gass guzzlers ftw

  • @NocturneSonate
    @NocturneSonate Před 11 měsíci +102

    Hey Mr. Rossmann, you should do a series of “freedom” approved products. From appliances to vehicles.

    • @shitlordflytrap1078
      @shitlordflytrap1078 Před 10 měsíci +4

      Maybe don't call it that

    • @eegernades
      @eegernades Před 9 měsíci

      Depends. A lot of "freedom" approved products are garbage and quickly made due to some political bs going on. See the freedom phone.
      If it's anything like that or similar, it's not worth covering.
      Gotta be cautious nowadays with anything claiming to be freedom or patriotic, because usually it's just a political show and not an actual freedom product.

    • @hiddendrifts
      @hiddendrifts Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@shitlordflytrap1078 why? what's wrong with FAPs?
      /j

  • @LautaroQ2812
    @LautaroQ2812 Před 11 měsíci +766

    Imagine someone as a sponsor pitching it to you on an e-mail saying "Hello Mr Rossman. We'd like to sponsor one of your videos. We are a company that makes bikes. Normal bikes. That's it".
    What a dumb era we're living in.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +540

      Most of the sponsor offers I get are garbage. I'd happily sponsor a company like ebikes.ca or em3ev but since they're actually good companies with proper support and quality products they do not need random CZcamsrs shilling them and shouting them out 50000x a day to hypnotize people into buying junk; because they _don't sell junk!_ so it would be a waste of $$$ for them.
      Unpaid word of mouth from happy customers who can demonstrate the superiority of your products is the best and most trusted form of advertising.

    • @irgendwieanders2121
      @irgendwieanders2121 Před 11 měsíci +84

      @@rossmanngroup Please Mr. Rossmann, could you stop giving away the game/explaining the tricks/exposing the shills?
      I fear, if you keep it up, our whole current system may come down...

    • @jsh6952
      @jsh6952 Před 11 měsíci +53

      ​@@irgendwieanders2121crash the current system.

    • @flynick
      @flynick Před 11 měsíci +15

      Diesel injectors are coded to the ECU now

    • @TheThanatoros
      @TheThanatoros Před 11 měsíci +14

      @@irgendwieanders2121 It needs to crash down, broken to pieces so it would need to be rebuild from ground up and hopefully to better state.

  • @MartinMaat
    @MartinMaat Před 11 měsíci +497

    VanMoof already went belly up last week. It was all over the news here in The Netherlands. Bikes are offered on marktplaats (our e-Bay equivalent) for scraps because no one can service them and the official VanMoof stores were closed because angry customers were lining up there to complain.
    Let's hope this debacle will be a lesson to everyone.

    • @cyberleone00
      @cyberleone00 Před 11 měsíci +18

      As it should be how are you expecting this will work in the netherlands literally bike central

    • @user-ee9cz6mc1x
      @user-ee9cz6mc1x Před 11 měsíci

      Heb je die ene debiel gezien die 2 vanmoof ebikes had omdat er altijd eentje ter reparatie was hahahaha. En volgens my stonden ze allemaal voor de deur om hun defecte ter reparatie aangeboden fiets terug te halen. Als je je fiets 6x per jaar ter reparatie aan moet bieden en je doet dat nog steeds dan ben je volgens niet echt boos, en klagen doen ze hier altijd voor alles maar het zijn nog steeds vanmoof fanbois.

    • @LatvianVideo
      @LatvianVideo Před 11 měsíci +30

      ooh, if u can get them for cheap, guessing they would be a decent base for projects

    • @toineenzo
      @toineenzo Před 11 měsíci +5

      It’s not really true that there aren’t any other service centers then VanMoof itself. Kwikfit announced they’ll also service VanMoof bikes

    • @LimitedWard
      @LimitedWard Před 11 měsíci +1

      Narrator: *it wasn't*

  • @brandondenis8695
    @brandondenis8695 Před 11 měsíci +53

    Justin, the owner of Grin, is an amazing person. One of my friends used to work for them back when they were at their old shop. They went above and beyond to experiment and verify what the best materials, design, etc to use for motor design, controllers, batteries, and literally everything else. Louis is right about how helpful and supportive they are at Grin.

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

    • @kokopelli314
      @kokopelli314 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Very True and they interact with factories to improve design and functionality.

  • @mjdxp5688
    @mjdxp5688 Před 11 měsíci +34

    I always find it sad when people talk about how much they hate computers, but they use locked down operating systems and software and are too scared to take things apart. It's a lot of fun tinkering with things, either on the software or hardware side.

    • @3nertia
      @3nertia Před 10 měsíci +14

      "Too scared to take things apart" - I feel I need to address this for myself and anyone like me. I know how to tinker and I like to tinker, but I'm human and I know that we [humans] make mistakes. I can't necessarily afford to replace any given device should I fuck it up - most devices aren't really designed to be disassembled easily with the adhesives they use and such either ...

    • @_averageenjoyer_
      @_averageenjoyer_ Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@3nertiaalso to add to this. Not everyone has the time

    • @logitech4873
      @logitech4873 Před 10 měsíci +1

      The people who don't like computers aren't going to research this stuff and they certainly will never know what "open source software" is. It's just of no interest or consequence to them. As long as the email works, and the writing program works, who cares?

  • @TheBoardGarage
    @TheBoardGarage Před 11 měsíci +223

    Yeah, my colleagues and I in this hobby/industry work on and build PEVs (personal electric vehicles) every day. Many are easily fixable, some are not. When I can’t fix something, it’s because the manufacturer chose to use parts that can’t be worked with unless you get them from the manufacturer. More and more though, people are electing to gut the electronics of these PEVs and replace them with open-source based ESCs, custom batteries, etc. My goal when I build a PEV is that A) It doesn’t break easily, so I never have to hear about it again, and B) If I died tomorrow, they could bring it to any decent tech or builder to have it fixed if it does break.

    • @233kosta
      @233kosta Před 11 měsíci +5

      You'll go far!

    • @l0gic23
      @l0gic23 Před 11 měsíci

      Wish I loved the vehicle i own enough to want to spend the cash to convert it....

    • @233kosta
      @233kosta Před 11 měsíci

      @@l0gic23 I mean if everything else is good...

    • @Morpheus-pt3wq
      @Morpheus-pt3wq Před 11 měsíci

      @@l0gic23 IF the local government allows such conversions...

    • @OfficialDJSoru
      @OfficialDJSoru Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Morpheus-pt3wq And we need to push them to allow so. In Portugal someone EV converted a MK1 Ford Escort, so a REALLY OLD classic rally legend and the car took the longest time to get legalized by the DMV. Looking up information on the laws to convert cars here are opaque and explain jack about what exactly you can and CANNOT do to your car, or what is required for certain types of modifications... It's infuriating.
      And before anyone mentions the "sin" of EV swapping a classic and excusing these murky laws of my country, just know that if Hydrogen combustion (what ICE fanboys claim will save that type of engine) conversions were a thing these days, the owner would be facing the exact same problems.

  • @fire_tower
    @fire_tower Před 11 měsíci +292

    It's much more meaningful to own something you've assembled. If something breaks you know what it is and you know what to fix.

    • @kennybooboo3926
      @kennybooboo3926 Před 11 měsíci +2

      So true

    • @pontiacg445
      @pontiacg445 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@elinope4745 Its like minecraft, except it's actually real.

    • @doooofus
      @doooofus Před 11 měsíci +8

      basically what happens is you Become Ungovernable

    • @runswithraptors
      @runswithraptors Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@doooofus unbilkable

    • @Bobylein1337
      @Bobylein1337 Před 11 měsíci +1

      *me staring five years later at the weird DIY extruder of my 3D Printer*. Yeeeaa, sure.

  • @albertusvanlubeeck9161
    @albertusvanlubeeck9161 Před 11 měsíci +66

    I'm glad you clarified this as I have encountered people who believe that promoting R2R/independent ownership is against security, which is not the case. I am actually a fan of security keys for bikes, cars, homes, etc. However, I am wary of having a third-party company come between me and my property and potentially acting as middlemen or holding my possessions hostage. I believe it is reasonable to want complete control over the things I own and not be locked out due to technical errors or mistakes.

    • @Dan-gs3kg
      @Dan-gs3kg Před 11 měsíci +1

      Could you imagine how much security you get from requiring physical access to the device, and there is no wireless uplink to it.

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

    • @reaganharder1480
      @reaganharder1480 Před 10 měsíci

      The trouble is that the vast majority of owners aren't knowledgeable enough about security to be able to implement their own security systems effectively. Of course, that's not to say that R2R and independent ownership ARE actually against security, as it's entirely possible to for a third party to make security systems that still respect independent ownership (physical keys, or cryptographic keys that are stored or generated on the host device, not a cloud server as an example), but the majority of consumers are rather forced to rely on a third party for the security of their systems simply because they lack the knowledge required to do it themselves.

    • @handytech9481
      @handytech9481 Před 10 měsíci

      @@Dan-gs3kg Yeah, making the bike connect to a server introduces complexity and therefore a possible attack vector. Literally makes no sense except for taking control away from the user.

    • @Dan-gs3kg
      @Dan-gs3kg Před 10 měsíci

      @@handytech9481 look man, the seats have haptic inputs so we can scan your taint with cloud computing

  • @Kenaroni
    @Kenaroni Před 10 měsíci +8

    I’ve watched a lot of eBike videos over the past 3 years and Louis is the first person I’ve seen to describe what an advantage it is to be able to accelerate with city traffic. For me, this is one of the greatest features of an eBike.

  • @ellenripley4837
    @ellenripley4837 Před 11 měsíci +92

    I would also argue that companies that lock their vehicles and devices are anti-sustainability and they should be penalized for false advertising. When you make it very difficult to repair your electronics devices or your vehicles, and you make it more expensive to get them repaired, that makes you less likely to want to keep it for a long time and just replaced it for a new one therefore increasing the amount of waste.

    • @jargooey
      @jargooey Před 11 měsíci +9

      Nobody ever seems to think about this with Tesla

    • @bongwatercrocodile315
      @bongwatercrocodile315 Před 11 měsíci

      oh legislators know but they willfully ignore it because its their own circle that runs those companies

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

    • @tacticallemon7518
      @tacticallemon7518 Před 10 měsíci +2

      that’s the idea
      If you can’t get it fixed somewhere else, you have to let me fix it
      which means i can charge you whatever the fuck i want, and look at that, a new problem costs only a little bit more than fixing a fucking pin

  • @MsUltrafox
    @MsUltrafox Před 11 měsíci +63

    EVs don't NEED some electronic key.
    Not so long ago we had vehicles that used an actual key.
    No app or internet needed or even a battery needed.

    • @nisbahmumtaz909
      @nisbahmumtaz909 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Well, the battery was at most used for jumpstarting the vehicles, and powering the headlights. But yeah i getchu.

    • @AthosRac
      @AthosRac Před 11 měsíci +6

      @@nisbahmumtaz909 I think he is referring to the hand crank times....

    • @MsUltrafox
      @MsUltrafox Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@AthosRac The physical key does the same job as an electronic key.
      They both connect the power to the system.

    • @73_65
      @73_65 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@MsUltrafox Im going to assume you replied to the wrong person since your reply has nothing to do with what the person you're replying to said.

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

  • @jakewinlow
    @jakewinlow Před 10 měsíci +10

    You're absolulty right, thank you Louis! I have a disability and use an e-trike for recreation. I purchased it about 7 years ago and it came with a Bionx hub motor. Last year the motor failed and since Bionx is now out of business and their system is locked down I had to look elsewhere. I purchased a kit from Grin Technologies and I couldn't' be happier. I'm not sponsored by them in any way, I'm just a very satisfied customer who wants to spread the word that in my experience Grin is an all around great company that really does respect user's freedoms.

  • @TJThomas116
    @TJThomas116 Před 11 měsíci +22

    Another good thing about a removable battery: theft deterrent. I know someone who always removes their bike battery after locking their bike and takes it with them to reduce the probability that it will be targeted for stealing

    • @tarfeef_4268
      @tarfeef_4268 Před 10 měsíci +1

      Yeah I take mine out as long as I'm not taking it to a trailhead (rather not haul my battery up a mountain on my back 😅)

  • @jacksong6226
    @jacksong6226 Před 11 měsíci +82

    I wish EV cars didn’t come with all the smart bullshit I just want a motor and a battery

    • @pariscloud2907
      @pariscloud2907 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Same

    • @tonysolar284
      @tonysolar284 Před 11 měsíci +23

      This is also why used vehicle prices are up.

    • @xerr0n
      @xerr0n Před 11 měsíci +4

      dont know how feasible it is, maybe doable with maybe not, may just need some relays and thats it.
      i do know of a rather bad example on a honda?(probably not) EV in which when you stop breaking and start accelerating, the switch from regenerative breaking to usage actually clashes, ie there will be twice as much energy coming from the motors themselves AND the batteries thusly burning/exploding the motor because of overamperage.
      technology connections also showed a rather bad example on evs that use regenerative breaking...to break... BUT not lighting up the break light, IF you're using one pedal mode that is.

    • @sihamhamda47
      @sihamhamda47 Před 11 měsíci +8

      And if it can't be avoided, I wish someone could make any completely open source EVs to give us some hope, but I'm sure that would be very hard, as some countries has very strict vehicle inspection rules

    • @elenabob4953
      @elenabob4953 Před 11 měsíci

      I wish too but regulations say otherwise and I partially understand it because battery fires are very hard to extinguish.

  • @JustinTimeEnglishClip
    @JustinTimeEnglishClip Před 11 měsíci +138

    Hi Louis, I am still riding a Bafang. Your early videos inspired me to try a kit on my 10-year-old MTB, and since then, I have built many for my friends. I love the power and speed and, of course, the freedom to do what I want with it 🙂

    • @andrewvirtue5048
      @andrewvirtue5048 Před 11 měsíci +14

      Where did you go? BafangUSAdirect? Which do you have, that you are advocating for?

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +32

      This is the way!!!

    • @JustinTimeEnglishClip
      @JustinTimeEnglishClip Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@rossmanngroup Yes, it truly is 🙂 I am happy to answer any questions and share my experience.

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci +1

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

  • @mitchellmooso7658
    @mitchellmooso7658 Před 11 měsíci +16

    This is a common misconception that older generations have. The idea that "if its electric, then it does not respect freedom" needs to be changed. I think that Tesla helped establish this idea. But as Louis says, electric vehicles can be as free as you design them to be. Many electric bike manufacturers are required to sell bikes locked at a certain max speed but this is easily reversed. Your ebike is as free as you build it to be.

    • @nobodynoone2500
      @nobodynoone2500 Před 10 měsíci

      The problem is most ecars do have that problem. It doesent have to be that way, but it really is. But now ICE is now the same.

    • @amorphousblob2721
      @amorphousblob2721 Před 10 měsíci

      How much freedom will you have when the ICE bans go into effect and you discover that, since the electric grid can't support that many EVs and they require rare materials to build, the total cost of EV ownership shoots up to something almost nobody can afford? Then it won't matter how the EV is built.
      EVs are here to assuage your concerns about the ICE bans that are being passed in various places. You're not meant to realize that the real goal is to force everybody to rely solely on public transportation and bicycles.

  • @tahu300
    @tahu300 Před 11 měsíci +8

    I had a recruiter reach out to me asking if I’d like to discuss a position at John Deere, and I emailed back saying I wasn’t being of their anti-consumer behavior. Thanks for educating us Louis!

  • @PewciSlayer
    @PewciSlayer Před 11 měsíci +34

    Old does not mean dead, new does not mean best.

  • @Cornz38
    @Cornz38 Před 11 měsíci +112

    This is now all becoming a giant snowball and until a big, REALLY big company goes tits up because the proles say "NO", it's only going to get worse.

    • @l0gic23
      @l0gic23 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Also need actual alternatives. And those alternatives need to be given a chance so they can stick.
      LRIG - the LRIG brings together long term values investors to seed companies doing XYZ and meeting ABC principals. Standard minimum investment terms bring some value to LRiG today when they become customers, otherwise reward is long term, based on company success over 5-10years.
      I'd join

    • @WhoAmEye_WhoAreEwe
      @WhoAmEye_WhoAreEwe Před 11 měsíci +2

      under enough heat all snowballs melt
      :)

    • @jamesphillips2285
      @jamesphillips2285 Před 11 měsíci +8

      That is why the "too big to fail" doctrine brought in during the 2008 financial crisis is so dangerous.
      it is similar to how the rail workers were legislated back to work: with only 1 sick day per year during a pandemic requiring at least 10 sick days* if you get sick. The railroads are too important to the economy to allow the workers to cause a necessary disruption. Their safety concerns were proven correct within 3 months of being legislated back to work.
      *You may have seen the revised guidance saying you only need to stay home 5 days. That is because the airlines did not have enough healthy staff left to work Christmas/New Year 2021. So instead to taking steps to mitigate the ongoing pandemic: they just changed the rules.

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci +2

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

  • @chronicalcultivation
    @chronicalcultivation Před 11 měsíci +7

    Nice to see Grin getting some love. They're local to me and a lot of the advances in ebikes the last several years are derivative of their work.

  • @wicmercfrik
    @wicmercfrik Před 11 měsíci +4

    Glad you brought it up. Bothered me for years that EV’s get the anti freedom bad rap when all internal combustion vehicles are computer controlled too.
    Not arguing about being green, just freedom.

  • @spamapsa
    @spamapsa Před 11 měsíci +47

    Now they gonna make that spark plug thing into reality, their eyes sparkled, of course with monthly subscription for your safety.

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

  • @DazzaJay
    @DazzaJay Před 11 měsíci +57

    I'm a fair bit lazier than Louis when I built my electric bike. I converted my old, year 2000, Apollo Summit MTB to electric with a $700AU TDR 1000w 48v kit from eBay. Works well, even though I'm fat as (148kg), it still hits 25km/h (maximum legal speed here for e bikes, although I can disable the limiter and I've taken it up to 48km/h).
    I have had to pull apart the battery pack and replace the BMS once, but other than that it's great. I just hit the switch and off I go. No DRM, no phone app, nothing. It was a tonne of fun to build, and I can service it and repair it myself.
    I would never buy one of those fully Integrated battery in the frame nonsense e bikes.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +14

      This is the way!

    • @sihamhamda47
      @sihamhamda47 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Sounds like a very great deal for DIY e bike transition kit

    • @Vanadium
      @Vanadium Před 11 měsíci

      Welp if I go electric it will be a true E-MTB Enduro for the sport and there is only one with a motor and gearbox combined that can provide that. Proprietary stuff is in it but I still would buy it because anything else is trash on the market compared to this solution.

  • @tomt215
    @tomt215 Před 11 měsíci +3

    That's an example of "issue linkage" where unrelated issues are frequently combined together. Freedom of access has been linked to the drive train being electric. You're 100% on the nose and thank you for bringing it up. When these are linked in legislation its often called "logrolling".

  • @seeibe
    @seeibe Před 11 měsíci +7

    Around where I live, this practice of including software on ebikes is actually outlandish. We have a really strong culture of repairing our own bikes here or going to a local (vendor-independent) repair shop, so bikes that are locked in like Apple devices wouldn't fly.

  • @robster7787
    @robster7787 Před 11 měsíci +35

    Sounds like an amazing market for engineers and programmers to start making custom open source boards to bypass restricted features.
    I knew a student in 2021 that was selling custom raspberry pi assemblies set up and wired up as a bypass tool for car heated seats and was gonna have a potential heated seat subscription. It bypassed the infotainment system completely and wired straight to the battery.
    I’d rather not let it get to that point, but if it does, hopefully there is proper retaliation.

    • @schwarzwolfram7925
      @schwarzwolfram7925 Před 10 měsíci +1

      This sounds just like how I installed The Sims 3 for my sister and then changed the registry so that she had all the DLC because it was on the disc already. Best $7.50 she ever spent.

  • @SamGib
    @SamGib Před 11 měsíci +18

    Well said. Electronic devices are not the problem. The problem is the vendors who lock certain functionalities behind an online service or app. Currently I'm looking for a no app no bs sous vide immersion circulator and oh god how hard and limited in choice that is.

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

  • @jamesslick4790
    @jamesslick4790 Před 11 měsíci +5

    Plenty of ICE vehicles have "subscription"/ app-based shit. The issue is NOT EV vs ICE, it's about OWNER control of the shit they BOUGHT. Electric propulsion is fine and for some use cases preferred. There is nothing about a bike (or any other vehicle) being electric that REQUIRES communicating to some server somewhere or having DRM "protected" controls. A $20 box fan is equally powered by an electric motor. The normal "app" for those is a four-position mechanical switch, LOL. I do like the idea of building one's own E-Bike! My grandfather used to say: "Do it yourself, and YOU know where the bodies are buried"- No, he was not a mob hit man, just his colorful way of saying that you know where the potential flaws are in your own project. LOL.

  • @burgersnchips
    @burgersnchips Před 11 měsíci +24

    4:40 this argument is exactly why I don't own an e-bake in the UK.
    15.5mph top speed limit and 250w motor limit.
    Not enough speed or acceleration to achieve being ignored by traffic, so you get overtaken by idiots who hate cyclists. High speeds are dangerous, but not as dangerous as being hit by 2T of steel box trying to squeeze past.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +21

      When following the law creates an Unsafe condition, it is your duty as a citizen to disobey it. That is why I had a 3,000w ebike in a city where the limit was 750 at my time of build

    • @burgersnchips
      @burgersnchips Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@rossmanngroupI agree, but in this case I just don't buy the "green option".
      I worked out with my usage I would need to daily an ebike for 2 years (rain, shine or snow) before it pays for itself against diesel cost. Just no point for me.

    • @leonro
      @leonro Před 11 měsíci

      tbh lots of cyclists are also idiots, trips to Amsterdam can be a nightmare because of them; I don't want to imagine what they'd do with something like a 5kW motor...

    • @Kniffel101
      @Kniffel101 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@burgersnchipsSo you are driving a Diesel bike? =P
      I think with cycling, electric or not, comes other (health) benefits compared to driving a car.

    • @lasi_eisbaer
      @lasi_eisbaer Před 11 měsíci +1

      Imagine you lived in a city with good bicycle infrastructure.

  • @amc8313
    @amc8313 Před 11 měsíci +31

    Can't wait for Lewis Rossman Freedom industries to go global.....it's what we all need

    • @Eidolon1andOnly
      @Eidolon1andOnly Před 11 měsíci +8

      Especially if his name was spelt correctly.

    • @amc8313
      @amc8313 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Eidolon1andOnly actual names is trade marked for bigger things ....so needs must

    • @martinum4
      @martinum4 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@amc8313"Rossmann" is pretty hard in regards to trademark rights anyway because there is already a german drugstore with that name

    • @tegandetermann3299
      @tegandetermann3299 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@Eidolon1andOnly😂!!

    • @jdarst100
      @jdarst100 Před 11 měsíci

      right to repair hearing 7/18/2023 10 AM eastern time

  • @vulpix9210
    @vulpix9210 Před 11 měsíci +27

    I totally agree with you. However I think the main problem is not everyone is willing to build a bike themselves as it adds so much more friction to obtaining a bike. Same as cars, not everyone will retrofit EV tech into a non EV vehicle to make it not anti-freedom. For now the best option for those people are to just not touch EVs, till we get a couple companies actually doing things the right way.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +6

      Tons of builders exist!

    • @Winter_Of_Civilisation
      @Winter_Of_Civilisation Před 11 měsíci +2

      ⁠@@rossmanngroupMarket opportunity? 👀👀

    • @plaxy100
      @plaxy100 Před 11 měsíci +2

      There are builders that do it the right way, Magnum makes there bikes within in the limits set forth by law, while giving you the freedom to set up your prefered power level and utilize Generic easily replaceable parts. Aerial Rider, is another and Rider1up. none of these bikes need anything more than you pressing a button to get them to work.

    • @vulpix9210
      @vulpix9210 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@rossmanngroup I never knew about that, that's really neat actually. That needs nore publicization I guess. I hope some sort of car company actually decides to go the route of right to repair soon for EVs and newer combustion engine vehicles.

    • @Eichro
      @Eichro Před 11 měsíci +2

      Sounds like a market opportunity for those who are willing to build for others.

  • @Inertia888
    @Inertia888 Před 11 měsíci +4

    I'm planning on building an electric bike over the next year, or so. I started building and flying quadcopters last year, and sometimes I am not sure which I like more, building or flying. Looking forward to building and riding an electric bike. Thanks for sharing your research with us, and pointing us in a good direction, Louis. Probably saved me at least a few hours of time.

  • @snowleopard9749
    @snowleopard9749 Před 11 měsíci +4

    Grin Technologies are great, I remember them sending me out a replacement cover for the CAv2 (the buttons became unglued after 7 years) overseas to me for free - no shipping cost, no nothing. A very different experience than most companies when you ask for a replacement part! Oh and em3ev are great too, I still use one of their battery packs that they made 13 years ago.

  • @GeorgeVCohea
    @GeorgeVCohea Před 11 měsíci +5

    Hmm, strange, I just got a new ISP and am now being recommended videos from this channel every time I get on CZcams. I have not seen this since early in the pandemic, when I had been watching regularly, _without ever being a subscriber._ I know CZcams frequently gets the blame for this, but perhaps, *Alphabet* is not the only issue in driving viewership.

  • @linsqopiring6816
    @linsqopiring6816 Před 11 měsíci +6

    I foresee that sometime soon there will be geo subscriptions for your vehicle. That is, if you want to drive in a specific city or neighborhood you will have to buy a subscription and if you don't you will get a ticket or your car will be disabled remotely.

    • @ilenastarbreeze4978
      @ilenastarbreeze4978 Před 11 měsíci

      If we are not careful then i can see it too. Cuzz that will be great profit for someone

  • @Krueger444
    @Krueger444 Před 11 měsíci +4

    My Gen1 LEAF is an actual electric car. It's got none of the "features" of a lot of the cars have today and I love it. All the internal controls are buttons - not a single touch screen in the whole thing. Seat warmers are free of any subscription. The most connectivity it has is BT with the radio.
    It looks a little weird (for that slippy aero) so it's unpopular, but it's the only car I can see myself driving until we (hopefully) get past this syncing phase. OBD2 port's a little weird, but someone fortunately reverse engineered the output and it's entirely manageable.

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Před 11 měsíci

      If there is any interface that I need to operate while I can't look at the buttons, it shouldn't be a touch screen. I can operate my light switch while the light is off. I can change the settings on my monitor while keeping my eyes on the screen area, I can change channels on my radio while keeping the eyes forward. I can skip a song on my media player while keeping it in my pocket.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 Před 11 měsíci

      The one problem I know of with the first gen Leaf is the lack of battery cooling.

  • @MitchMatrixx
    @MitchMatrixx Před 11 měsíci +28

    Louis, in many of these types of videos I often hear you speak about how companies and society used to be more freedom respecting, and this is true. However, I think this pairs with an equally important trait that has gone missing from society: Self Reliance.
    In my house growing up, my dad did basically everything that needed to be done to the house, the yard, or the cars to keep everything in usable and adequate condition.
    I learned these skills from him, and continue to do almost everything in life myself, but combined with an even greater skillset than he could ever have imagined, thanks to insane advancements in technology.
    It seems that society has been conditioned to call in someone else for every little job, and to hand over all sense of self reliance to some other entity, be it corporate, an AI bot, or some government lackey.
    One thing I have always admired about your channel is your "can-do-it" attitude, and the fact that you don't gatekeep your knowledge; but on the contrary, you readily share it, and nudge people to exercise power over their own day-to-day lives.

    • @jTempVids
      @jTempVids Před 11 měsíci +8

      100% this. I grew up in a lower income family. We didn't have the money to call someone to fix something. Our only option was to fix it ourselves. It didn't matter what the problem was or what was broken. We did our best to figure it out and fix it ourselves. If we couldn't fix it then we could call someone who could. I'm still this way. Why would I take my car to a mechanic when I can just fix it myself for a fraction of the cost.
      Another problem I've ran into many times is that these so called "professionals" don't always do good work. Just about every time we've hired someone to do work at our house, they do mediocre work. Don't get me wrong. They get the job done and it's acceptable, but it's not great. They don't do what we ask or argue about how to complete the work. The don't want to do work that's up to code. My experience with multiple mechanics have been the same. I've had multiple mechanics do less than what was in the quote and then try to overcharge. I've also experienced the opposite, they will do twice as much as what was in the quote and the bill is double. This is why I tend to do my own work.

    • @artem.boldariev
      @artem.boldariev Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@jTempVids I am this way too. If there is a chance of me fixing something without messing things up - I will do that. Only if I do not have the required and expensive tools or skills I will pay someone for work. The problem is that manufacturers are as if trying to ensure that this will not be the way. Also, in this day and age some things are unnecessary complicated.

  • @Zarrar2802
    @Zarrar2802 Před 11 měsíci +7

    "Louis but what if someone goes over the 20 kmph speed limit" IT'S THE LAW DEPARTMENT'S JOB TO ENFORCE LAW. NOT THE PRODUCT'S JOB.

    • @Ag3nt0fCha0s
      @Ag3nt0fCha0s Před 10 měsíci

      Why are illegal things permitted for sale?

  • @srivastava767
    @srivastava767 Před 11 měsíci +44

    Last week alone, I received several emails from services I previously used to "buy" their new subscriptions and wave my right to an attorney. Anti-freedom is becoming the new normal

    • @user1.8.2.
      @user1.8.2. Před 11 měsíci +8

      We were warned.
      Schwab: 'you will own nothing & you will be happy'

    • @michaeldavid6832
      @michaeldavid6832 Před 11 měsíci +5

      @@user1.8.2. Waiting for that "happy" part to kick in.

    • @hdjwkrbrnflfnfbrjrmd
      @hdjwkrbrnflfnfbrjrmd Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@user1.8.2.Schwab's English is bad, he meant content/complacent

    • @Kissamiess
      @Kissamiess Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@michaeldavid6832 Happiness will be mandatory. If you are not happy, there is something wrong with you and it must be corrected.

    • @amicaaranearum
      @amicaaranearum Před 11 měsíci

      What do you mean by waiving your right to an attorney?

  • @niner8275
    @niner8275 Před 11 měsíci +97

    If you want to get more subscribers, you'd have to constantly zoom in and out for every "key word" you say, because 150% of all other youtubers do it and their complete ADHD-ridden audience will immediately hit the "subscribe" button once the first zoom happens.
    No really. Thank you Louis, to be one of the last standing youtubers not doing that annoying bullshit. I can watch your videos without the feeling of someone jumping at me or trying to get cheap attention. I like your content and it doesn't need any of those annoying and distracting "pacing" techniques to keep me watching until the end! 😊

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +47

      I genuinely hate that shit! It's also way too much work to do. Out of curiosity I tried it out and way too annoying to create a shitty result.
      Thank you!!!!

    • @rakvian
      @rakvian Před 11 měsíci +42

      ADHD has nothing to do with annoying video editing techniques, I have ADHD and I have watched Louis Rossmann for a long time now, annoying "attention grabbing" editing actually makes it harder for me to focus on a video, just being plain and simple and talking clearly and fast is what makes it easier to focus, exactly what this guy does.

    • @LEXXIUS
      @LEXXIUS Před 11 měsíci +1

      I once came across a creator who, throughout the whole 10+ minute video did the out of focus and back to focus transition effect on a 10-second loop. Needless to say, I couldn't watch, as my eyes started to hurt after a minute hunting for focus. Unfortunately, the topic in the video was interesting, so I still stayed.

    • @whyamiwastingmytimeonthis
      @whyamiwastingmytimeonthis Před 10 měsíci +5

      ADHD-ridden? You seem "talking confidently about things you know nothing about"-ridden.
      Careful, wouldn't want to contract ADHD from me.

    • @barongerhardt
      @barongerhardt Před 10 měsíci

      @@stephenmcdonagh2795 The best feature on YT is "Don't Recommend Channel." When I accidentally click on one of those mojo like videos the whole channel gets added to the list. Same with almost all corporate media and those stupid kids doing "pranks" or "challenges."

  • @moreaufamily437
    @moreaufamily437 Před 10 měsíci

    I bought an Engwe e-bike earlier this year and to be honest I didn’t really even think of any of this. However my Engwe is started with a mechanical key same as a car/scooter/motorcycle. One thing I did notice in the package is that they provided the manual for the controller along with all of the ‘secret’ menus that I could use to remove the speed cap, add fine grained motor controls, etc. Unlocked the bike is absolutely a hoot to ride and I’m now a fan of e-bikes. When the day comes and I want to sell my e-bike, it will be easy since I just hand the new owner the keys and off they go.

  • @ahaveland
    @ahaveland Před 11 měsíci +8

    So well said. I know exactly what you mean after I built my own 2kW ebike 8 years ago, and painstakingly sifted through thousands of laptop battery packs to get enough good cels together to make a 2kWh battery pack.
    8 years later, I still love it to bits!

  • @Scoots1994
    @Scoots1994 Před 11 měsíci +80

    I find it kind of amazing that nobody has created a super minimal EV for less than $15k.

    • @kesamek8537
      @kesamek8537 Před 11 měsíci +7

      Or a petrol engine that can do 2x 3x 4x the miles per gallon of current cars ... or maybe this technology exists but the public doesn't get access to it, I couldn't possibly comment further.

    • @MrMartinSchou
      @MrMartinSchou Před 11 měsíci +42

      Probably because getting it commercially approved for road usage, including safety measures etc. is going to be really expensive.

    • @elenabob4953
      @elenabob4953 Před 11 měsíci +22

      You already have it in Europe, it is called Dacia Spring.

    • @ClokworkGremlin
      @ClokworkGremlin Před 11 měsíci +5

      Dude my ebike's so simple it only has one wheel. Cost me less than $5k.

    • @flolb887
      @flolb887 Před 11 měsíci

      Something like the Opel Rocks-e?

  • @wkGeoff
    @wkGeoff Před 11 měsíci +8

    I started building electric bikes about a year ago, ive never had so much fun. My own personal bike is capable of 4x the legal limit, but i only go that fast in reasonable places, because i respect the hobby and i dont want other bikers to get a bad reputation

    • @powderdropzone
      @powderdropzone Před 10 měsíci

      Most path limits top out at 15 mph, if you can go 60 mph that isn't really an e bike any longer. E moped, e motorcycle realistically.

  • @TheLexikitty
    @TheLexikitty Před 11 měsíci +3

    This is why I bought a Juiced bike and a VORO Motors e scooter. Everything is repairable and there is no computer onboard. VORO literally gives you the parts and tools to fix and take apart everything. ❤

  • @HKlink
    @HKlink Před 11 měsíci +12

    I like the restrictive and app controlled stuff on rentals. Downloading an app and seeing a map of twelve rental options near me and grabbing one and unlocking it with my phone and then it charges my PayPal and I just drop it on the floor when I'm done with it. It's very convenient for me to be able to find them and use them and not need anything except my phone for it. Ten years ago I visited Cologne and they had rental bikes that my university bus/train pass was valid for so I could grab any of those bikes and use them for 30 minutes for free, and then some cheap amount if I used it longer than that. They weren't EVs yet but it was still amazing to find them with an app and unlock them with an app. I've used e-scooters that worked similarly. Haven't seen it with actual e-bikes yet but it would be weird if it wasn't a thing.
    But for my own property? Absolutely not. Maybe GPS tracking to log my routes and also find it if it's stolen, a nice lock and a nice key, and none of the online connection stuff, except for the GPS features to be remotely accessible, and that's just a personal choice I'm willing to make so I can recover it if it gets stolen. Heck, just throw in a couple phone parts and having it show up on Google's "where's my phone?" would be enough.

    • @uis246
      @uis246 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Still anti-consumer. Normal is when you bring transport card to a reader and go.

    • @simonspacek3670
      @simonspacek3670 Před 11 měsíci

      @@uis246 I would give this a pass. You download an app and use a service, you don't need to go somewhere to pick up card/key/code...
      Also for rental it is useful that if you steal that car/scooter, they can turn if off remotely.
      But having that "feature" on something you bought is just wrong.

    • @uis246
      @uis246 Před 11 měsíci

      @@simonspacek3670 phone app has nothing to do with remote control

  • @robinspanier7017
    @robinspanier7017 Před 11 měsíci +7

    i love the point you bring about ebikes beeing MORE safe with more power..
    i stopped using my 3grand ebike because it was simply not fast enough for the city, it was simply too dangerous.
    now i am driving around with a 2 ton ev, much safer
    not so much for the environment though

    • @ordinaryhuman5645
      @ordinaryhuman5645 Před 11 měsíci +3

      There's a tradeoff though. I didn't feel safe going 28mph on most of the roads because they're shitty roads, and the cars were still going faster anyway (despite speed limit: 25mph). I'm not sure if I'd trust the bike at higher speeds to not have issues, especially if the weather is suboptimal or the road is littered with potholes. My ebike having iffy connections between components didn't help inspire confidence either, and since it was a fancy battery-in-frame one it's not terribly repairable.
      I went back to just using my trusty single speed that does ~15mph usually. If I do try an ebike again, it'll be a DIY setup that I understand.

  • @purevert
    @purevert Před 11 měsíci

    I probably won't every be able to buy an e-bike but I like hearing you speak about things you are passionate about.
    All I have to say it I relate to it, it reminds me of the time I first installed debian, things working without any account or subscription bs was so much fun.

  • @Konzuug
    @Konzuug Před 11 měsíci +7

    I was always in the camp that ebikes are for old people but that changed. Ebikes are a game changer for commuting. I can do the 25min bike ride without coming to work sweaty. Makes every day better

    • @Zach-qs2bw
      @Zach-qs2bw Před 10 měsíci

      For me the best part is I have the confidence to bike to my heart's content without having to worry about having enough energy to get home if I get too tired I just use the throttle till I feel like pedaling again a couple weeks ago I went on a 40 miles bike ride I would never have had the confidence to go that hard if it wasn't for the reassurance that I could at any time stop pedaling twist the throttle and zip back home if I wanted to

  • @Trezker
    @Trezker Před 11 měsíci +6

    Yeah, one of the big concerns I have about owning a Tesla is that the app you use to control remote features goes through Tesla servers with no option to do it through a server of your choice. If Tesla decides to be evil in some way or the company goes belly up, what happens to the app? I don't know how the app and car actually talk to each other but it makes most sense that there's a server between them, and I think if you own a car you should be able to run that server yourself if you want to.

    • @2phonesbabyken
      @2phonesbabyken Před 11 měsíci

      The app itself *is reliant on Tesla’s servers staying up* for remote operation but the vehicle remains operable if you have a physical key or your phone already paired over Bluetooth.
      I’m still not a fan of how they Apple-ify servicing parts of the vehicle that aren’t the brakes & tires but I’m not worried my car will be a dud in case the company goes belly-up or has some insane server outage.

  • @christophertomes6777
    @christophertomes6777 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I appreciate the video just for the mentions of some decent e bike companies. EVs live in a weird headspace for me. I love modifying and fixing my IC car and fundamentally EVs are simpler in design. So they could be just as good if not better to own and work on if it wasnt for all the baricades in soft/hardware. For instance I really like the companies doing E conversions of older cars and what that promises for weekend mechanics in the future

  • @SteveBornholtz
    @SteveBornholtz Před 11 měsíci

    For folding electric scooters, Voro Motors is very repair and customer friendly. The only key it has is a physical one that came with it when I bought. All of the functions/parameters on the controller are there, even though a little cryptic. They sell any parts and even have videos show how to replace and fix parts on it.

  • @blues03
    @blues03 Před 11 měsíci

    I work at (a) FedEx. I did some OT in the 102+ Tx heat and when I got to my last stop I got out of my truck to find out where this hospital wanted me to deliver their stuff. I got back to my truck to move it to that area and it doesn't turn on. It's a gasoline Ford e650 with a boxtruck on the end owned by a rental company.
    Long story short, my managers forgot to renew the rental fee that morning and my truck was remotely disabled.
    While my managers were getting that figured out and I wanted to be proactive instead of baking in the driver's seat, plus I still needed to make service on my time commitment and before the place closed so I used a flatbed dolly to take my 40+ boxes from the side parking lot to the opposite side of the hospital. Shout out to the administrator that supplied me with water and gatorade and didn't lock the main door on me (otherwise I'd have to drag all this stuff even further).

  • @techguydilan
    @techguydilan Před 11 měsíci +5

    I agree that it's not that EV's are bad. It's that companies are just using the paradigm shift as a way to do as they please.
    I'm thinking about building my own eBike powered off of drill batteries. But for some reason I couldn't build one, I'd buy one from a company that doesn't require me to use an app to ride it. If I really wanted to lock it I'd just use a D shackle lock and loosen the stem a bit when I park it so if someone does try to cut the D shackle and take off, it'd be hilarious to watch.
    As far as the anti-repair moves, I thoroughly believe that even if the shift was to a different fuel source instead of EV's, these companies would still try a lot of the same crap.

  • @Rohemne
    @Rohemne Před 10 měsíci +5

    The problem is that most people don't have the time to undertake such projects. Most people have maybe some free time on the weekends, and would want something ready-to-go.

  • @TheMrGunmann
    @TheMrGunmann Před 11 měsíci +1

    The "anti freedom" stuff is much older than EVs. A while ago, before EVs where really a thing (tinkerers and people that where willing to pick up a soldering iron had their vehicles). The company i used to work for, had BMWs as their company fleet. The car refused to start in front of a railway crossing, no message, no indication. Just wont budge after stopping for a train to pass.
    Since the company had a fleet, i just called the hotline. They told me, they already knew about the problem and someone is on their way. The service man opened a panel on the drivers door, exchanged a board with who knows what on it and the car would turn on again no problem. Sure I was in a place where they could get to me quickly, but there was nothing inherently wrong with the car - and I could just have drove the 1 km to the companies parking lot. Their self-diagnostic stuff could just have notified the contractor to replace the board later. But without noticing the driver, that company decided to not allow the car to be operational any more - until they replaced a board which was had nothing to do with safely operating the vehicle.

  • @bensosnoski8174
    @bensosnoski8174 Před 11 měsíci

    You are very correct. For years now IC cars have had electronic throttle and steering assist. The sensor and technology to make a self driving car is completely separate from the drivetrain and could be implemented on an IC car.

  • @waldemarii
    @waldemarii Před 11 měsíci +4

    My Fiat 126 comes with a manual that includes maintenance guide and diagrams for repair/adjusting. Essentially everything what is needed to keep it running.

    • @adorinadorin
      @adorinadorin Před 11 měsíci

      Not manufactured anymore, because of...,?

    • @waldemarii
      @waldemarii Před 11 měsíci

      @@adorinadorin Design is from 1972. But the point was that the mindset back then was completely different. I think that how things are now is consequence of service based economy.

    • @adorinadorin
      @adorinadorin Před 11 měsíci

      @@waldemarii design finished much easrlier, 1972 is manufacturing start. On wiki there is sth like production line wore off and dropping customers interest

    • @Jcewazhere
      @Jcewazhere Před 11 měsíci +1

      So does my 2017 Chevy Bolt.

  • @233kosta
    @233kosta Před 11 měsíci +7

    That thing probably has a whole operating system on it. People crack games with much more sophisticated DRM than this shit, I'm sure we can figure out how to crack these. Or just write new firmware for it that just enables everything by default.

    • @jsh6952
      @jsh6952 Před 11 měsíci +2

      God bless the hackers.

  • @nexusnui
    @nexusnui Před 11 měsíci +2

    There is a corralation between EVs(and other devices) and anti-repair measures. It is just so much easier to design products that are anti repair, when main functions rely on software. Basically modern technologies enabled more anti-repair measures. They do not have to exist, but companies want to implement them, because they think it protects them and not you the customer.

    • @clray123
      @clray123 Před 11 měsíci +1

      It's just a way for companies to sell you less for the same price. When as a government policy you make money increasingly worthless, companies seek to cut corners to stay afloat. Shoddy quality, planned obsolescence, ridiculous packaging, reducing your rights... all means to make more $$ without (or actually in addition to) raising prices. And market mechanisms that correct that are increasingly knocked out because business is concentrated in monopolies.

  • @Cluuey
    @Cluuey Před 11 měsíci

    Great info in this video, thanks Louis.
    I live in a nanny state so I'm probably not allowed to do what you've done but I think I'll look into it.😁

  • @TheBackyardChemist
    @TheBackyardChemist Před 11 měsíci +5

    The only good reason I can think of for the smartphone bike key is anti-theft. Bike theft is a major issue in certain areas.

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland Před 11 měsíci

      A taser in the seat activated if the owner isn't within Bluetooth range could solve that quite quickly!

    • @jurgendieter5238
      @jurgendieter5238 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@ahaveland Nah, thieves often just load a van full with bikes. It's not people going for a joyride that are the problem.

  • @DCG909
    @DCG909 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Just some extra info about VanMoof.
    Even their non EV is a piece of thrash, it's build with vendor specific parts, which are already a pain to get a hold of...
    They wanted to be the Apple of bikes, in a way they were, because they were quite popular in the more progressive circles, but they went too niche.

    • @shadowslave4948
      @shadowslave4948 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I don't get how it can be popular in "progressive" groups. Progressive towards what. -_-

    • @DCG909
      @DCG909 Před 11 měsíci

      @@shadowslave4948
      Their own image probably, it's just telling that it was most popular in Amsterdam and Utrecht.
      Iirc. there are almost 100 bikes for sale on second hand sites in Amsterdam alone.

  • @andrewt9204
    @andrewt9204 Před 11 měsíci +1

    I have a Radpower e-bike, and I really like it. But I'm not really a tinkerer, use it as a daily, or live in a busy city. The 0-20 accel time is fine for my needs, but I see how if you were trying to navigate New York or similar you'd need a lot more customization. The website has a fair amount of parts available but not everything. Can't get the controller or hub motor. Maybe if you called them, I don't know.
    I just use it to go on general rides and bike paths. I can't tune it or anything, but it also doesn't use any sort of wireless connectivity. It's just a power button. Pretty simple.

  • @jamessullenriot
    @jamessullenriot Před 11 měsíci

    I ride an e-bike in Toronto and there is a local company called Amego that sells great bikes with their branding (not sure who makes them). Anyway, I like the joy of just putting my battery in, turning on my simple screen, and going.

  • @finnderp9977
    @finnderp9977 Před 11 měsíci +5

    EU had to make law to force charging stations to accept normal debit/credit cards

    • @elenabob4953
      @elenabob4953 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Really, I wasn't aware about that but I remember that my colleagues that have been early adopters of Zoe complaied that they required a wallet because watch charge station required it's own card, even the free ones from the shopping centers.

  • @deeznuts23yearsago
    @deeznuts23yearsago Před 11 měsíci +5

    When subscription becomes mandatory, piracy becomes important

  • @justbubba4373
    @justbubba4373 Před 11 měsíci

    I remember one of my old friends bought one of those sketchy chinese pre-fab electric motorcycles (just generic parts slapped in a frame that looked like a motorbike). Since it was all generic off the shelf parts, whenever something would fail (the original breaker was not triggering correctly, just overheating and shutting down for 30 minutes) we could order another off the shelf breaker. We could replace all the wiring, upgrade the batteries, jailbreak the governor to allow it to go faster or in his case, be able to go up hills without overheating the breaker, even upgrade the motor. Everything was off the shelf and it was great.

  • @felicianomiko5659
    @felicianomiko5659 Před 11 měsíci +1

    We bought a pair of Sohoo (named Soumye now) e-bikes on Amazon last year. They are Chinese knockoffs, no question but there is no app. You can do some adjustments to how it’s set with the booklet it comes with. Very pleased with these bikes. I don’t know if they keep up with cars in NYC, but they move pretty quick. Just for anyone wanting a pre-built e-bike that shockingly respects freedom and it’s a million dollars. They currently cost around $900-$1000. Battery is removable, has keys, 7 gears. Very pleased with them.

  • @EdLrandom
    @EdLrandom Před 11 měsíci +3

    My EUC has all of the Bluetooth connectivity to change settings you need but it's completely operational without it as well, it's not that hard lol

  • @flaturiah
    @flaturiah Před 11 měsíci +13

    Oh dang I’m early early, hi Louis! Thank you for wishing me a lovely day before reminding me that the world sucks. Either way, thanks for the no bullshit content that I’ve come to love you for!

  • @nobody8717
    @nobody8717 Před 11 měsíci +2

    This same "lockout" problem has been around ever since the Digital Rights Management concept was implemented heavily in the 1990s.
    It used to be a software issue, but now they are tying hardware to software in such a way that the software issue has become a hardware issue.
    People are only blaming EVs for it because it's the first *real* mainstream product in which the replacement cost is greater than the repair cost.
    laptop or phone stops working? buy another one.
    can't do that with an $80,000 item quite as easily. (in other words, it actually effects the pocketbook of the upper middle class and higher).

  • @mewmedic
    @mewmedic Před 10 měsíci

    I have an ebike and when I saw this news this was the first time I have ever heard of an app powered ebike. Most of them are not like that. I don't have to get it repaired by the company that made it or anything like that either. I had no idea people had this misconception. Thank you for explaining this to the "outsiders" who don't get it.

  • @quinndirks5653
    @quinndirks5653 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I listen to your videos everyday on my way to work. People are starting to notice, my friend.

  • @Lembemupixo
    @Lembemupixo Před 11 měsíci +13

    Considering the safety and security argument.
    Happened to me several times where someone does something stupid on the road and we are both about to crash. Having the extra speed and power let me go over the limits and actually saving us both from the crash

  • @LairdDavidson
    @LairdDavidson Před 10 měsíci

    I have an "off the shelf" ebike with a Bosch motor. Whatever my misgivings about Bosch might be the bike works without an app. All you do is press the on button and you're good to go. There is an app you can download if you want to monitor your rides but it's not required. The battery is also replaceable. I think other brands of motor might be similar.
    Sure there's the speed restriction annoyance because of government laws but that can be overridden.

  • @ska1305
    @ska1305 Před 11 měsíci +1

    1000% agree with your point. Had a very hard time trying to explain this to my bmw fan boy step dad. Just like you say he have (still) this minconseption about being fucked with evs 😕. Tried to explain this to him but you do a far better job ❤️.

  • @ataksnajpera
    @ataksnajpera Před 11 měsíci +3

    I also do not like factory made e-bikes. They are very expensive with overpriced batteries! For example BOSCH battery costs 2x more ($/Wh) than the same for DIY.
    For example 750Wh battery costs ~750 euro. Meanwhile 1200Wh in Polly DP9 case using SAMSUNG 21700-50E cost me ~550 euro!

  • @replikvltyoutube3727
    @replikvltyoutube3727 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Hello, I'm contacting you about your oxygen subscription ending

  • @tonycrabtree3416
    @tonycrabtree3416 Před 11 měsíci +1

    You’re spot on about the acceleration. And then it’s about travelling speed and then about amount of road taking up. In that order.

  • @fauzirahman3285
    @fauzirahman3285 Před 11 měsíci

    I got myself a pre-built E-bike more than a year ago which didn't have any of these fancy pairing with mobile apps or cloud servers. I just turn it on and it works, even if the company goes bust. While it uses a frame built to specifications to the mfanufacturer, it does use generally standard parts, like the Carbon belt, the Bafang motor and I noticed other bike brands use the same kind of battery, so I guess if it comes to it, I can replace all those parts if I feel handy enough.
    I hope all these cloud-connected bikes are the exceptions rather than the norm because there's a lot of simple e-bikes being sold at my local bike shops.

  • @Beastboy072
    @Beastboy072 Před 11 měsíci +10

    Ngl I thought he was referring to Pokémon effort values. Guess I’m too far gone 😭

    • @Unsensitive
      @Unsensitive Před 11 měsíci +4

      Or Eevee's, which are the best pokemons.

    • @anthonii.x
      @anthonii.x Před 11 měsíci +1

      that's so fucking funny, sometimes I think that too

    • @Beastboy072
      @Beastboy072 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Unsensitive debatable

  • @Ivysama
    @Ivysama Před 11 měsíci +3

    i've been telling people the way to go with both PEVs and EVs is DIY.
    too much hate on these because they are blamed for legislation making ICE vehicles harder and harder to get instead of being allowed to compete on their own merits

  • @Mladjasmilic
    @Mladjasmilic Před 11 měsíci

    My neighbor got with his second hand car 230V EVSE set at 16A, and internals can do 32A. As cars is imported from Norway, I asked the Norvegian office how to set the current.
    They said that I can not do it, but EVSE has to be set to, connected to the internet and user account (for tracking energy usage and scheduling charging at low rates), and checked by their technitian (which they do not have in my country), before current rate can be changed.
    So I opened it, seen that it has all the hardware for 3 phase charging but not 3 phase cable connected. So I spent 10$ on 3 phase cable and household socket and kept it software locked at 16A. Not it charges 3x as fast and does 11kW.
    EVSE is not connected to the Internet. I lookee up on their website, 3 phase model costs almost the double 1 phase one.

  • @HappyBeezerStudios
    @HappyBeezerStudios Před 11 měsíci

    Having an app to open the lock, monitor distance travelled and battery status, etc sounds super useful.
    But not as a replacement to a normal physical key and a counter on the charger. As additional alternative option.

  • @James_Bee
    @James_Bee Před 11 měsíci +10

    I feel the same about my first AR-15, which I chose to build as opposed to just going to a store and buying already built.
    I searched forums and CZcams on how to build one, what parts I would need, what the parts do, etc.
    I then took my time and found the parts I wanted and waited for sales and bought them. I then started putting it altogether, piece by piece and now I have MY rifle.
    I enjoyed the process immensely and, despite being a total Fudd, it is amazing that I can go into a gun store and request specific parts for my rifle that deal with the build and the gun store sales person doesn't know what I'm talking about because he or she has always just bought prebhilt rifles and MAYBE knows how to clean it and lubricate it, but beyond that hasn't a clue.

    • @rossmanngroup
      @rossmanngroup  Před 11 měsíci +5

      It's a fun feeling isn't it?

    • @James_Bee
      @James_Bee Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@rossmanngroup Indeed! Of course, I started with computers before that and Legos before that ;)
      I guess I've always enjoyed taking things apart and putting them together!

    • @AthosRac
      @AthosRac Před 11 měsíci

      lol

    • @zaijian4377
      @zaijian4377 Před 11 měsíci

      on the flip side. who needs a gun when you can create an app & and a sub and rob pple. lol

  • @TheBigbum1974
    @TheBigbum1974 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I think the issue with electric stuff is its become the beachhead/trojan horse/pebble before an avalanche of DRM hell.
    So now "we" can't trust anything and lash out like an abused animal at anything that smells like change.
    Heck, the recent Steam update that was touched on last week. I loaded Steam, saw the UI change, and immediately knew I was going to have issues with it. Sure enough, that's what has happened. Self fulfilling maybe, but still where I am in life. And I'm betting its not just me.

  • @patrickhanft
    @patrickhanft Před 11 měsíci

    Although I bought myself into one of these closed modern e-bike ecosystems (to be specific: into VanMoofs competitor Cowboy), I do agree 90% with you here. The dependence on digital infrastructure of your vendor is restricting my freedom.
    However it really struck me, when you said at #4:30, that your bike being able of going beyond 25mph gives you freedom, as it makes you safer when you can keep up with the cars and they then "ignore" you.
    Here in Europe, e-bikes are limited to (a little bit above) 25kph (about 16mph), which from an American standpoint is certainly a significant limitation of freedom (I even kind of agree). However, 25kph is already a speed, that is quite dangerous on a bike, compared to the more like 18-20kph average of a quick non electric biker and while I understand that not everybody likes these limitations, I absoltely think, that anyone should not only have the right, but also the opportunity to bike more slowly around the city at average speeds far below that.
    But this seems to be not really possible - neither in America nor in Europe (although it might be a tiny bit better over here with us) - without adequate, safe and dedicated infrastructure for biking, which is needed, as long as people have the freedom to drive (manually and really fast) their cars within urban areas.
    The car with it's huge and over-proportional consumption of landusage dedicated as traffic space is taking away freedom everywhere from every other participant in traffic. Not being able to bike safely due to cars doesn't respect your freedom.
    In over 100 years of the internal combustion engine technology we've gotten so used to cars dominating traffic, that we usually can't even see it, how fucked up our freedom of not being threatened by cars really is. Because cars don't respect other people's freedom.

  • @methany8788
    @methany8788 Před 7 měsíci

    Woah, I know quite a few people with electric bikes, and none of them have anything like what you describe. That is truly dystopian, and the worst part is, I'm not even surprised.
    Saved this video for future reference, in case my bike ever breaks down - thank you!
    Regarding the speed limit, I actually understand why it exists, at least in my (European) country.
    Upon reaching certain specs, you would be riding something akin to a motorcycle (there are some very low horse power ones here that require a lesser license). That would mean regulation regarding license plate, turn signals, regular inspections, taxes etc.
    What's more, there are plenty of bike-only lanes here. Motorcycles aren't allowed on there, so why should something that's basically an electronic motorcycle be allowed? E-bikes get to go on there, due to their lesser power (and, I suspect, because the government is actively encouraging their use).
    All that very well may not apply to the US, of course, and for that matter, I might be mistaken on some or all of it. That being said, those things sure are handy to have around - the dumb ones, at least.

  • @BrightBurner
    @BrightBurner Před 11 měsíci +3

    Unfortunately, you’re not far off at all. BMW introduced a $18/month subscription fee for customers to just access the heated seat function on select models in their range just last year.

  • @blob22201
    @blob22201 Před 11 měsíci +48

    I think a lot of people dislike EVs because of the way they are being introduced. There's the issues with privacy, ownership and subscriptions with the actual cars (which is now a problem with regular cars too), and then there's the way that many governments are trying to force people to get EVs. My country is literally banning petrol cars from 2030.

    • @MrkBO8
      @MrkBO8 Před 11 měsíci +12

      No it wont. The transition cant be made that quickly, politicians will just extend the time line. Its just not possible for all countries to switch simultaneously because of the resource and manufacturing constraints. It is possible to talk about it though because politicians unlike the mining and manufacturing industries are not constrained by reality.

    • @xerr0n
      @xerr0n Před 11 měsíci +1

      nah, they may say that but their idiocy has also been in full display with it, they better wash their necks if they really try to push it through.

    • @sihamhamda47
      @sihamhamda47 Před 11 měsíci +4

      My country also plans to ban any gasoline cars starting in 2035 in order to meet the "net zero carbon policy" in 2050 and as late as 2060
      But I'm sure if those stupid subscription thing never exist, the transition to EV would be much faster
      Edit: Also a thing to add based on previous comment, I'm sure that the government would possibly extend the transition period if the EV supply aren't enough

    • @Cyborg647
      @Cyborg647 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Theres also the method lithium and cobalt? Are mined , would turn me off if i had any interest 😬

    • @jacksong6226
      @jacksong6226 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@MrkBO8they said the same thing about American cars back in the 70s and look what it did to our car industry

  • @garfieldgreen1983
    @garfieldgreen1983 Před 11 měsíci +2

    More power to you Mr Rossman because truth is most all your rants are also our rants or at least mine.
    Keep up the good fight sir.

  • @cryoine7194
    @cryoine7194 Před 11 měsíci

    I think the issue is two fold too, older technology like from the 60s and 70s largely got sold though neighbour recommendation as well and reliability and serviceability were highly valued, Americans are normally portrayed as loving massive cars but if given the chance a lot of them jumped for simple small cars that were fun to drive, like the VW beetle, Suzuki Jimny/samurai
    now there is a culture shift in reliability gave way to convenience and disposability using the same Jimny as an example the older samurai had manual locking hubs that you had to get out and click into 4wd if you wanted to go off road, this was changed in the gen 3 to a pneumatic locking hub that when u selected 4wd would activate a vacuum solenoid that locked the hubs for you, less reliable and harder to fix should something happen to it, but the kicker is if you wanted manual hubs on an early gen 3 Jimny(1998-2005) you can easily fit them as the transfer case was dumb, if you selected 4wd it went into 4wd no questions from it, it would throw an error light but it went into 4wd.
    for 2005 up (gen 3) they switched the transfer case to an 'electric' one where you got some buttons on the dashboard to activate 4wd, this system stupid plain and simple, if any part of the system developed a problem it would pop back out of 4wd because a computer decided something was wrong, in the earlier Jimny it would remain in 4wd unless there was a serious mechanical failure (esp if you fitted manual hubs)all the 4wd computer did was to make sure you got the relevant lights and activated the relevant solenoids and I think the last thing you want in the BUSH is a computer deciding that you don't need 4wd because a wire got snagged or a connecter got unplugged and the integration of the computer into the 4wd system like that made it harder to switch to manual hubs since the computer now needed to read a vacuum signal in order for it to activate, this is not shit that you want to deal with when u are having some off roading fun in a mud hole with mud half way up your car lol
    also if you look at the old content that was out it was super informative, manufacturers would boast about oh you can easily reach all the nuts in the engine for our car unlike xxx car and you can tear the entire car apart with a flat screwdriver, pliers and a hammer, now you need to buy special tool 5 and 6 for $600 each for no good reason
    toyota asks you to buy a special tool to pull their head bolts for the 5afe engine or you can just go into your tool pan and take out the 12 point 12mm socket and that does the job
    i can find the manual for the gen 3 Jimny and it shows a lot of things, basically how to take apart the whole vehicle but there are things that the manual itself doesn't show, I recently had to fix my AC condenser fan which the manual calls for removal and replacement if it is bad, I took it out and examined it and found that it can be taken apart, when i did one of the brushes was jammed away from the commutator and I often joked that if I had known I could have just tapped the fan with a hammer and that would have fixed it, this is a $234US part not including shipping that was fixed by pulling it, now if this was a new fan that shit would have been epoxied together probably with spring ball mechanisms that would fire off a glass ball to be forever lost if you didn't open the fan when the sun was directly overhead and the moon at exactly 90 degrees to your position