r/Maliciouscompliance "SUE ME!" "lol ok"
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:08 Sue me
6:43 My boss
7:57 Threat wording
10:17 The time
12:08 The apartment
"Sneaky Snitch" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) License: CC By Attribution 3.0 - Komedie
That last story is a clear example of "Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."
I need to write this down. It'll come in handy sooner or later.
On the first story, this happened to a Bank of America branch in Florida, a few years ago. It made the news! They tried to illegally foreclose on house that wasn't even mortgaged! The owners sued BoA, and won. Months later, the Sheriff had to come to that branch and start seizing equipment. The manager made a call, and issued the Plaintiffs a check. Mighty embarrassing...
That's low, even for Bank of America.
@@Wendy_O._KoopaYou sure? That actually sounds like something they would do for shits and giggles.
Good grief, how does that even happen!
@@It-is-me...Melsiecorporate greed mostly, mixed with stupid greed
@@It-is-me...Melsie It happens because mistakes that screw the customer make the company money, and if the number of people who can't be bothered to do anything about the issue is high enough compared to the number of people who actually sue, then they come out making more money.
I love suing stories lol. It's basically people giving others loads of free money without realizing how much they effed up lol.
Not free money. It should have been more for wasting his time.
It's not really "free money." You can only sue for actual damages that can be proven. In this case, the money for the actual work he did.
@@seekeroftruth6728 I know, which is why I said that since that manager clearly didn't realize how much she effed up by not complying with the logical thing to do which was "I worked for you and provided you with something, pay up!".
Here was different, the OP is get free money or big loads of money, he just get the amount he earn.
You love easy, open and shut suing. You wouldn't love the kind of suing that usually goes on. A family member of mine was an inventor and spent half their life being sued fraudulently to have their work stolen. Came close to losing everything
half of my college professors have told me: set a maximum number of changes your client can make to your work. You will always meet someone who is never satisfied and will waste your time.
I have no idea how the coding scene works.
But 500 pages for only 2k seems kinda cheap IMO. XD
I dont know the value of some projects, I know some can take a long time, but he spent almost a month on this project for them?
Seems like it could be a 4-5k project, or more?
@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist You won't believe me, but what I studied has nothing to do with writing code. This happens everywhere.
What about a clause that charges a fee for every time a change is requested?
@@nanook6620 That works too, but you need to give a few free changes or no one will hire you.
Story 1: Never say "Sue me" as a bluff or intimidation tactic if you don't actually want to be sued. The other person can (and likely will) follow through
That is so blatantly American
I would hate to be named Sue Me
It's usually a dare when you think they have no case against you.
Especially in America.
I have to question the legitimacy of the first story. First there are a number of third party applications that do exactly what the OP was asked to do for this company. Two, the company would need a working product sooner rather than later. Three, the change request would require a new billing as the original product was made to initial spec. Four, 500 pages of code for $2k .... yeah.
Now if I'm wrong and this story is true then I suspect this story originated in a developing country. But it could be possible it originated in India. 2k USD is a lot of money in India. Even now. But it is unlikely that the customer and program designer would pay in USD. It would be in Indian Rupees.
For the first story, whenever a client wants a new feature added say, "Sure, let me write up a proposal, and we can work up a separate contract to add that." (Unless it's an ongoing contract where they pay for your work regularly.)
And yes, the sheriff can do that!
The #1 reason the sheriff probably didn't want to follow through with that threat he made was likely the simplest one that Rslash didn't mention:
The mountain of paperwork the sheriff would have to fill out after
The police are funded by the government I don't think the sheriffs are and if they are I can tell you they ain't owned by the government they don't like b*******
Not really, the only paperwork for an existing judgement is a list of seized items. The best part is that if we'd have to come back and seize more to fulfill the judgement amount. Computers don't get much at auction, so it'd cost MARK-1 far more in equipment than the $2k. Additionally, we don't wipe the computers properly and any company info on them would be the buyer would own all that data. This could be a HUGE regulatory risk.
@@undecidedmiddleground5633 Well there's that, and then there is the risk they publicly get embarrassed by having law enforcement start taking stuff out of the office. Both for the workers AND potentially the clients.
Like imagine seeing the company you hired having office chairs and computers taken out by the sheriff. You'd probably look for a new company to work with.
@@undecidedmiddleground5633could they just take all the power cords and laptop batteries and leave the computers there useless? He had to know they’d go ahead and pay lol
@@SkyEcho751sometimes certain types of public humiliation are the perfect lesson.
The aunt and uncle constantly being late and lacking self awareness is just hilarious, if they wanna be constantly late and be a hindrance to everyone then that’s their choice, maybe they’ll actually learn to be punctual one day… but I doubt it. Guarantee their kids will resent them for this growing up!
From my experience they probably won't, we've been doing the same thing to my uncle since i was a small child (under 10), currently I'm 37 (38 next month) and we still do it because he's still habitually late
@@jennix8666 You should call him Too-Late Toby.
as a child of parents who were constantly late, yeah, the kids will grow up to resent their parents.
@@JamesDavy2009 How about Tardy D'arby?
Story 1: I don't understand why people say "sue me" to others and assume they won't follow through with it? And DON'T MESS WITH THE DAMN IT GUY!
Because they assume that since they're being shielded by a large company with a large wallet, they can essentially try to intimidate anyone and scare them into thinking they'd never win a court case. Which tbf, most times those dumbass companies do win because they do have a ton more resources readily available to them.
Not many avg Joe's can afford to waste time and money at court and the ones that do usually have an iron-clad case like the one presented in today's post.
The idea of "Sue me" is for something so frivolous that suing over it would be a waste of time, but people also say it thinking that suing is such a big hassle, both in time and expense, they're doubting you'd bother following through on it, and/or they truly believe they are in the right.
Yeah, they see people on TV say it, and somehow miss the context that usually when a fictional character says that, it's over something so petty (and not even illegal) that it's clearly sarcasm.
Well sadly, 90% of the time, people wont in s lot of cases.
As others state, finding it a huge hassle.
Yes. The sheriff does have the authority. The only reason he didn't START with that is it's just so much fucking paperwork. It's the last option for that reason, but if someone refuses to pay a judgement, they CAN and DO take your assets and sell them until the judgement is satisfied. They may yoink money out of your account, or they'll just take things of value (like computers) to sell to make it up.
The Sheriff was basically giving the manager their literal final chance, if they refused to write a check, there would have been a moving van out front before close of business. Luckily, the manager seemed to realise how fucked they were.
That is good to hear. I thought that was only a thing in the UK (Baliffs.)
Stories about suing someone out of spite to prove them wrong without a shadow of a doubt are just my absolute favourite, some muppet bluffs and says “sue me”, gets absolutely owned and sued, it’s just glorious
“some muppet” lmao
first story should have sued for more because they made him do way more work than was originally agreed upon for that price
Story 4: Well, here's a good idea…LEARN TO NOT BE LATE!!! Even if there's a time management problem for one reason or another, just TRY to not be late. Maybe start packing up and leaving earlier
How else are they going to inconvenience everyone else if they were on time
Procrastinators hate this one trick! It's the bane of their existence! lol
I’m one of the worst procrastinators I know. Thats why I prepare and am ready two days ahead 🤣 I know myself too well
Give chronically late people an earlier time. That usually works
That requires having self awareness.
I'm just wondering where the logic to go 'sue me' comes from. Do they not think that the person they're harassing doesn't have the cash to take them to court or think they can clean out the harassed really easily?
The phrase initially referred to doing something frivolous that no one would actually sue for. In this case, manager probably thought she was in the right.
@@Ratt54 Or that a mere $2,000 wouldn't be worth the effort of going through the courts to him.
A lawsuit costs pennies to a large corperation like BoA. Their assumption is that the judge will automatically take their side into consideration and that their lawyer would be able to draw out the case until the plaintiff withdraws due to a lack of funds.
They don't account for their own stupidity.
Story #1 why does OP just go along with adding extra features for free!? The 2000 dollar price was for the original specs, I thought they would sue the company for an amount equal to the extra labor, but no. It sounds like this $2000 project became a $4000-8000 one.
yes I completely agree with you. When I was listening to the story I was thinking "what a push-over, grow a spine"
For that first story, op might've been able to get more based on the additional work that diverged from the original specs.
Yes, 2k is ridiculously low for months of work ...
#1 story - should never have agreed to ad-hoc changes without negotiating the additional costs for those changes. Change requests cost money.
Though good to see he got his original fee in the end.
Story 1: this is exactly why I at least would never take flat rates. The company can keep requesting that you keep changing things, and they don't have to spend anything to do so. Not to mention this company was lucky -- $2,000 was an incredible deal. I'm pretty sure that most developers, myself included, would've started at $20,000 and that would've been the base price excluding hourly rates. And that's being generous!
It’s the reason you. Need to have milestone payments, backup documentation, change orders with time extensions etc. just super poor business acumen on OP’s part.
The SF travel story reminded me of the day I was scheduled to start at noon. It had been raining buckets for several days & my usual route was flooded. I took the alternate route, along with every other person in the known universe apparently, so at noon, I was stuck in a traffic jam. As it turned out, the creek had risen an also flooded this road, so I rang my dickhead boss & got "Fuck! Why is everyone telling me they're late because of flooding???". My response - "Because it's flooded? Anyway, I'm going home because I don't own a hovercraft.". He tried to go off at me when I managed to get to work 2 days later. It didn't end well for him because I got head-hunted the day before. 😂
Felt so good hearing about the late relatives just missing events entirely due to their negligence. Thx rslash!
*Story 1* is also an important lesson in how to defend yourself as an independent contractor. I hope after this story, OP added charges for additional labor and late payment into their customer contracts.
The first time I ever worked a major project as an illustrator, my client had written the contract and I found myself trapped creating complex illustrations with multiple characters in dynamic scenes for only $25 per illustration (the simpler illustrations we had agreed to were not specified in the contract).
I was not free until I had completed the last page, after which the client pursued me for multiple years hoping to revise old pages with my improved skills for the same rate, assuming she planned to pay me for those panels at all.
Did the OP of the first story have any kind of written contract forbidding or accounting for feature creep on the part of the clients? Not that it makes what they did ok, it just might’ve saved him some trouble
If not, hopefully that's something they learned to add to future contracts. After a certain number of change orders, start charging!
@@GeneralArin from the way the story is worded I think the specs were probably in the contract. or were added as an addendum when they specs were determined before work.
Yeah, the sheriff can actually repossess your stuff if you dont pay your court judgement.
I don’t think that’s “repossessing” since it’s not originally the sheriff’s or the court’s stuff to begin with
Story 1: There’s no way I’d allow new feature requirements to be introduced without additional billing for those change requests… It’s one thing to deliver agreed-upon scope and something in that scope isn’t meeting client needs or expectations, it’s an entirely different thing if you’re introducing scope creep as the reason for additional changes… The fact that he only sued for the original $2k is crazy to me.
With the story of OP telling his now ex-girlfriend that she can keep the deposit and clean the apartment herself. Since OP mention something about the EX not liking to clean, at the very least not the toilet. Thus maked me wonder if part of the reason why he did that, was that he figured she'd either not clean or do such a bad job at it ..... that she wouldn't get the full deposit back, or not as much as she'd think she would.
That's what I figured too.
First story: There's a British TV reality show about magistrates who go around collecting overdue debts. They have the authority to immediately start hauling stuff away to be auctioned if they don't receive payment in full on the spot, and if the person gives them too much grief or gets threatening they can call in the cops. They don't screw around.
The late family story: my Indian friends send invites to weddings, sangeets, or parties one hour later than when they really want to start. They send correct time invites to their western friends. Everyone shows up on the correct time. All their Indian friends go, “See! We’re not late! The ferengis are late too!”
Day 37 asking for r/LetsNotMeet
God damn that long?
🙄
He use to do them
He used to do r/NuclearRevenge too, which was my personal favorite
Nice
Can confirm that the APEC summit caused traffic EVERYWHERE in San Francisco. They closed off sections of streets in multiple neighborhoods, rerouted buses, cable cars were non-op for the week, the downtown area was CLEAN for once. It was a mess
Second story: I wasn't part of that protest but as a Palestinian I was crying for the amount of support I felt from it.
11:12 - As soon as "ferry" is mentioned, I had a huge grin on my face 😁 I knew what going to happen next and that was gold 😂
Firat story, with about 10 change requests, they shpuld have charged more than the original price.
The booze cruise made me so nostalgic. My parents used to take us on day trips to Calais from the UK to buy cheap wine, food and visit the aquarium there.
First story - YES! 😁 Sheriff absolutely can strip a business bare down to taking the toilet seats if he wants to pay off a judgement.
Story 2: I live in the eat bay and can attest that when they were here traffic sucked and I had to use the San Mateo bridge just to get into the city and see my sister. If we didn't have all the chaos then traffic would only be like 1.5 hours for 40 miles. Going home is always worse at like 2 hours.
Sherif in the first story rolled a *Nat 20 on intimidation check! 😂
Unpopular opinion: Suing someone, even if they challenged you to, is not malicious compliance.
But also in story 1 they should've been required to pay triple if not more for violating the contract and refusing to pay.
That's what happens with a fake story.
@@seabass819yall always say "fake!!" as if this shit doesnt actually happen in real life. newsflash: it fucking does
@@epickody3924 Ye, but in this case I have my doubts as well. If the agreed upon amount for product delivery was 2K for 2 weeks of work, one would assume that the additional features(and the time spent working on them) would be charged extra. So, let's assume the OP worked at least 4 weeks(but it sounded more like 8) on aforementioned project, and would still demand the original price despite two to four times the workload, OP is either an idiot and bad at negotiating prices, or OP is an idiot for thinking his made-up story doesn't have some glaring logical/narrative issues(thermonuclear war anyone?)
@@FrontlinerCdV I think the “thermonuclear war” thing was hyperbolic and just included to express how long winded and irrelevant her rant was.
@@kranberry3318 It's never a good idea to filibuster in court like they used to do in the world's biggest funny farm.
Moral of the Story: "Never use that 'Sue Me' sentence to threaten someone. They might call your bluff and sue your ass sevenfold."
Story 1: Yeah, a sheriff can and will do that.
I live in San Francisco and can confirm that event did happen like two weeks ago.
1st Story: it sounds like the company was deliberately trying to make OP create something for them for free, which would have been outside the scope of the original contract - so long as they kept NOT accepting the work as “complete,” they could have had OP contracted for one then, but work on another, far more expensive project for them at a bargain bin price
I used to watch a show in England called "If You Can't Pay, We'll Take It Away"
Story 2. I work for myself with a business partner. We had to take the whole week off work during the SF conference. So we didn’t get paid, but we were not gonna sort through the mess of protestors, secret service stops and blocked off streets. It was crazy.
1st story should have specified that additional features beyond the original scope will incur additional fees at the first review.
LOL Girl doesn't clean the bathroom/toilet because it disgusts her? I clean it EVERYDAY because it disgusts me. She aren't ever having a pristine white toilet ever again.
And I thought cleaning mine every two weeks was overkill! 😅 For context, I do the full cleaning when that happens.
@@danielbrant6740 It's the only thing in my home I clean often. Sometimes its after every use. I just can't stand a dirty toilet 😅
Revenge is a dish best served clean lol
Clean break
Clean toilet
Clean conscience
Yet another example of the old rSlash adage: don't fuck with the it guy!
WRT Story 1: at one time I had an assistanceship that had me working for a faculty member who did a lot of consulting work. He mentioned that if there were problems with collecting, he'd slap the offenders with a "mechanic's lien". Usually worked out and his side consulting seemed fairly profitable (it helped that the college he was in liked to have its faculty doing this as it "raised their profile").
For all those stories such a number 1 where the looser in a court case doesn't pay by the deadline, the one supposed to be paid should be able to take the other party back to court for 'contempt of court' since in essence that is exactly what the individual is doing. No idea if it actually works that way though....
The first op didn’t really get one over on them as he or she did a lot of extra work and had to go through the trouble of suing them, they should’ve asked for extra
story4: I knew a family that was late on purpose, saying others would make them wait and it wasn't fair. Except they did it to people who never did that to them, who were in fact on always on time. Just awful people all around. Fortunately not family, so eventually ended 20+ year friendship due to a variety of BS.
First story...he should have gotten the $2,000 when the first spec was met. Each Change Request after that should have been an additional fee, because it sounds like additional functionality, and not a bug fix. So the OP should have gotten paid based on the very first agreed-to spec. Then when OP showed up and the customer went "We want X, Y, Z", OP could have said "Ok, that will be $X additional amount." And so on.
Road closure story
Reminds me of when i got out of a dentist appointment cuz Pres Bush came and they shut down a section of high way for safety. It was shortly after 9/11 and we didnt own a gps so my dad wouldnt have been able to figure out a different route to get me there on time. He had to call my mom, to have her call the dentist explaining why we couldnt make it.😂
You know you've watched too much rSlash when you realized you already heard the first and second story 😂
I would not want that check that way because you clearly cannot trust Mark 1 not to cancel the check.
The first story shows the importance of having a good contract when it comes to software development. If the contract is for a flat fee, I make sure that the contract always specifies that if the client requests cumulative changes that amount to more than 15% of the original agreement, that I can bill for those hours. I always have them sign the graphical design acceptance. That way, I have paperwork that that’s the design they agreed to. I have them sign any change requests as well.
That way, there is no need to hope the “judge likes my story.” I can simply proof that this was the agreement and they wanted changes that go beyond that. Also, doing this has never caused any legal problems. And I’ve had some very sucky clients over the years.
I'm a constable, and in my state Sheriffs and Constables are authorized to levy property of people and business to settle unpaid judgements. Most of the time when presented with a levy and sale people will pay up. But there is a lot of psychology involved in how the various options are presented. And in most cases as long as the property is a type covered by the statute a levyable, the Sheriff/Constable has a choice in what is put up for auction. Actually having to have the sale sucks for everybody involved, but it does happen at times.
I would have billed them an idiot tax for no key.
The level of scope creep in the first story should have warranted a new contract after the first request at least. In future, they should add a line item to their lump sum at an hourly rate for additional features not originally agreed upon.
1:17 two extra *whistle* people
Malicious compliance is my favorite. Unfortunately I just finished binging them all 😢
First story: it's so hillarious how they think they can out of paying Op the full amount of work by canceling the work right after it was done. that's definitely shooting themselves in the foot XD
Coffee,pancakes,rslash
The only proper morning ritual
The 1st story: after the first refusal of $1800, op should have asked the judge for $5000 or the max limit for small claims court!
Not just company's, but anyone who was sued and found at fault. But I'm pretty sure they need a lawyer present or someone from the county court room.
My mom was always late and while I broke myself of this habit, my brother didn't. It got to the point where he was making us wait 20-25 minutes each time we went out with friends. So I started telling him a time 30 minutes earlier than everyone else. When he realized what was going on, he was mad but actually did eventually apologize and change his behavior.
Would like to see “thanks I hate it” get covered once
The guy in the first story has NO idea about how to set scope on a contract.
1st story. The sheriff will always ask for payment first and then start taking stuff
Should have asked for $2000 plus interest, court costs, filing fees
There was a homeowner that went after the bank who tried to foreclose on the house even though the mortgage was fully paid off. Homeowner’s attorney showed up at the local branch with the sheriff and started confiscating computers and furniture in front of customers. Local branch manager cut a check post haste.
6:05 they absolutely do have the authority to confiscate anything and everything that is company assets to satisfy a judgement against them. They can freeze bank accounts, have mail forwarded to a court appointed receiver and even cash checks made out to the company until the judgment and all associated fees for enforcement of a judgment are satisfied.
The lesson to take from Story 1: Charge by the hour.
Story 1: honestly, he should've took the opertunity to ask for more. He did the job to the oroginal spesifications, but they kept asking for more wotk done, without paying for the time and effort. Those either should've been a part of the original request, or a new job.
Need more stories about Kevin!
bay bridge is also a toll bridge so i get not wanting to drive into san fran.. across that bridge.. i had to do it daily for a couple months it was awful even though i needed to be to work at 11 pm when most of the traffic had died down, still dreadful
Hope im not the only one who was thrown off with 1:17 whistled lisp lmao
Same here bud
If the second story happened this year, that was a protest for a ceasefire and to free Palestine.
NOTE: they don't 'uninstall' them. they literally just cut cables and away they go. data, programs and all
Story 2: First off, why didn't the judge shut her up? Second, people who talk like the manager did, know they're wrong, so they talk about nothing, hoping to get everyone in some sort of coma, and hope for the best.
Friend of mine works electric, he was laying cables and that stuff, then the one he did the work for asked if he could also "lay some over here" he said that he could, but it would incure aditional fees and such AND a signature, client said yes and did the paperwork, end of project the client refused to pay for the aditional work and it went to court, company friend worked for simply whipped out the "new plan with client signature" and the case was settled right there, client thought he could get them to do extra work and not pay, but friend and company had experienced it before, therefor the "new plan with signature" thing.
For the fourth story, it actually is legal. If you refuse to pay on a judgment, the sheriff can come and start seizing equipment to sell off to pay off what you owe.
I work in San Francisco, and I was so happy that my days off lined up with the Summit dates. I have coworkers who told me what I shit show it was to try to get into the city. That whole situation was predictably insane
Tell the landlord, “Maybe your broker should be more cooperative here and remember the KEY! My life doesn’t revolve around whether or not you can find a renter. I have a job to do that is more important.”
Lmao that sheriff gotta be a mob enforcer on the side
I guarantee that the code in the first story was worth way more than $2K anyway, but corporate never appreciates the importance of the "IT" guy until it's crunch time.
bruh, im experiencing the exact same thing from first story but im just on the phase of them adding features, endlessly pushing the release date
Sueing stories are the best
threat wording: i think the revenge is she wont get any deposit back because she doesn't clean and if she does it wont be good enough to get much if any of the money back. she is basically to lazy to clean. no cleaning no deposit.
To settle a court judgement? Yeah, that sheriff absolutely could have done that. Best part is, if he takes too much stuff and the auction overpays, the company would have to file four hours worth of paperwork to get the left over funds returned to them weeks to months later.
Ever seen one of these take place? The officers (legally) can't know what is worth what, so they have to take every asset on hand for the auction.
They do that in England, I loved watching the shows where they go into the companies, homes, etc and would start taking expensive stuff and then everything else if they won't pay a judgment.
Story 1: reminds me of Pentagon Wars with Kelsey Grammer
Yes and no so theres a thing called a writ of execution. If you have a judgment against someone who dosnt pay you getol one. They the sheriff may seize property to auction to wipe out the debt. Some things are protected and may not be taken, but if ya if they have one he could def do what he threatened. The the writ may be canceled by paying in full.
In what world would a simple a database system cost $2,000? It should cost at least 10 times that. $2,000 is barely enough to solicit a proposal.
I live in the Bay Area and the bridge shut down was NUTS its a main vein into a very populated city and it caused the congestion of all vehicular congestion good for OP to let the boss learn it was on all news and social media.
On story 1: Yea, the sheriff usually has the power to do so but my understanding is that it needs to go through the court. The thing is they will intimidate so usually, it isn't just the sheriff there. My guess is that the sheriff came with a team of movers and box truck so that if they did have to repossess the equipment, they were ready to do so. Also, if they did have to repo, I believe the people who had their things repossessed had to pay the fees associated with it.
From what I gather from all of these stories, US sheriffs basically fill the role of bailiffs?
Story number 2. If you know there is going to be traffic, leave early lol. Just like everyone else.
The thought of protesters keeping me from work is insane. I would just want to push through. These psychos think that chaining themselves in the road makes any sense or makes any positive impact on their cause?
right on time for my daily nap😚