The Full Story of Libertalia, Gabriel, & Ex-Minuteman James Wire - Fallout 4 Lore
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Libertalia = Sniping practice
With a quad missile launcher.
AKlover meh practicing my aim with a fatman
That was one of the easiest places to clear out after I got killed on my first try because one of them had a Fatman and still somehow hit me without knowing where I was exactly. After that, I sniped him first and kept an eye on his body in case if another raider picked up the Fatman.
I sniped the raider with the fatman as well as the legendary one and the rest was just easy
AKlover lol i did just that on my 1st play
I find it odd how the Railroad just sweeps Gabriel under the rug, you don't even get a dialog option with Railroad members to talk about Gabriel.
Deathcoldan dumb question I know but could u explain what SJW means?
neclord 88 Social Justice Warrior. Go to the side of CZcams such as Keemstar and Leafy, and you'll wonder why you didn't hear the phrase before XD
neclord 88 Look up Bearing or Undoomed. They make videos on them.
TBCecksdeeXD ok thx,ha yep
angell mccoy ok thx for the reply.might not enjoy it though
I feel fallout 4 does really good sad stories. A minuteman falling to the dark side, and his struggle with it is brilliant
For all the hate Bethesda gets from time to time, they really are one of my favorite storytelling game companies. Skyrim was full of little stories like this as well.
Bethesda really struck gold with what they have been doing with their games recently
Just like the raiders they portray in this game.
Yea the raiders in FO4 have been the best voiced, and best portrayed enemies I've seen in any game I've played so far.
I like the tragic stories you learn exploring new vegas
This entire location is just freaking awesome. I hate the people living there, but damn, they've got a cool home.
Yeah, I kinda wish you could visit in something other than a kill-everything-that-moves capacity.
Gregor Barclay if only it was a settlement imagine that
Bitter Comments If someone can mod the place and make it a player home then I'm down.
I kinda wanted to take it over as a settlement.
Oh yea I love it I was there the other day roaming around on my fo4 , wish could turn into a settlement , and use the boats for shipping, fishing and fighting the good fight etc, and turn it into a shipping hub like far harbor lol
There's a damn gondola? I've been swimming every time
In defence of Wire you say yourself at 4:16 that they were getting ripped off in their mercenary work. The Libertallia Minutemen tried to play by the rules, they tried to work hard and be good citizens by protecting caravans from actual raiders, and they got ripped off by the traders, by the "hard workers". The good guys broke the rules too, they were greedy, men and women risked their lives to protect them and they cheated them for it. I'm not going to compare pocketing a few caps to mass murder but if your arguement hinges on people doing the morally right thing then you've got to place blame on the corrupt caravans too. The fact a bunch of guys who've no knowledge of farming or fishing decide to feed themselves by exacting tribute from the people who cheated them seems like a reasonable course of action. What else are they going to do? Take up farming? Well why don't the caravan owners learn to shoot? People have their skills, and they've things that they just can't or won't do. Wire and his men can't themselves, the caravans can't defend themselves; they had a mutual agreement which one side failed to hold up their end on.
True, I decided not to get into that since that's clearly the shit they did to try and scare more people into paying up, and then the power goes to Wire's head etc etc. My point remains, you can't take a stand and say "These guys are entirely wrong because of morals" and then let the dickheads that started the problem by being greedy off the hook.
I love Oxhorn's videos, but I think this time he didn't dig anywhere near deep enough into the story. For a start, we learn more about the Minutemen, as they existed before Quincy - "Been a long time since any of us knew life outside the Minutemen". That tells us that there was at least a core of people in the Minutemen who did nothing else but serve as Minutemen. From the context and the final outcome of this group, you'd have to assume they were essentially full time professional soldiers and they weren't working part time maintaining a farm, trading or anything like that.
So when the Minuteman organization was effectively destroyed, what did James Wire and his men do? They basically became professional mercenaries, which is essentially the same thing they were doing before, except instead of relying on handouts, they demanded pay for their services. The wasteland is a dangerous place, even more so without the Minutemen around anymore to protect people, and it seems to me that under those conditions, being a mercenary should give good rewards. Except it evidently didn't, and Jame's Wire's men were constantly on the brink of starvation.
This has dire long term implications for the Minutemen as a whole, at least as they were organized in FO4. If a group of former Minutemen now working as mercenaries can't sustain themselves, how can the Minutemen survive when they are relying solely on donations? Indeed, this may have even been what really caused the Minutemen to completely fall apart when Quincy called for help. The NCR might impose taxes and require people to pay them, but in return they provide governance and a professional group who keep the peace and protect the people. James Wire seems to be doing something similar with his "protection money", although it's likely that's more extortion than actual protection, and it's probably more than it really should be as well. This doesn't seem to have occurred to Oxhorn, but I believe it's something that really should be addressed.
Not sure the Minute Men are relying on handouts. You set up a caravan network and gain access to all the raw resources of all settlements in the network. You set up shops and you get a cut of the profits waiting for you in the workbench when you walk back into town. To me it seems like a payment for services rendered, and if you're the General of the Minutemen gaining access to those payoffs I don't see why we should assume that it doesn't belong to the group you lead.
Any self-respecting mercenary should demand at least a sizeable payment up front.
Even Macready gets that and he's a terrible businessman - give him 250 caps and he'll follow you around until you find someone you like more and then wait for you change your mind and come back.
Wire was a terrible boss. Instead of setting up a fortress in a half-sunk ship he should have opened up an office in Good Neighbour or Diamond City or both and had officers negotiate the contracts, have the respective authorities in those locales authenticate them as legit and if their clients screwed them over use the legitimate powers of those towns and capitalistic fury to extort payment plus penalties or inflict punishment for breach of contract.
@@AtodaK There isn't a whole lot of vacancy in Diamond City. It's evident when the Survivor gets there, there's only one house that isn't lived in and the price to live there is steep.
That's money that Wire's Minutemen absolutely didn't have, and when they tried to earn money, they couldn't because all of their clients kept cheating them.
It takes a while for crops to grow, too. Who's to say they wouldn't have been dead of starvation by harvest time?
I learned about Libertalia from Uncharted 4. 😂😂
ScaleOfOneToMe same here
ScaleOfOneToMe yep me too
same.. it was a cool city..(in uncharted) i loved it.. alot of atention to detail
Libertalia was absolutely stunning in uncharted. ❤
fergalicious_rina same lol
It's not hard to shoot up a theater... Or a school-Oxhorn 2016
Cancer Disney Toy Review Channel #567 trumps already been elected
technicly you only need a gun.. go inside a bulding and shoot everything that is alive (even plants)
*pumped up kicks starts playing in the background*
*drums and 80s synth*
No pun intended
Oxhorn, why do you think settlers settle in places like Sanctuary instead of Vault 111? Or Coastal Cottage instead of that one factory right across the bridge? These places are safer and much easier to fortify, have electricity and running water, and they're bigger. Makes no sense to me. The ppl at Warwick homestead have the right idea at least taking refuge in the sewage plant or whatever.
Henry Coleman exactly. The only excuse they have is that maybe they didn't know it was there. But it's literally in their backyard when they settle sanctuary, so it shouldn't take long to discover. Besides, the sole survivor would is kind of an asshole for not recommending it over the broken down neighborhood of sanctuary.
Shawn Conklin Well, it could be explained by the Institute. I've noticed that synth patrols tend to set up bases in places like factories and the Boston Mayoral Shelter. People may be paranoid about the Institute being there.
Shawn Conklin The vault I can't really explain.
Liam Walsh Hadn't thought about that. But synth patrols are everywhere. I'd still feel safer behind steel barriers and concrete walls than a wooden shack by the lake if I were in that situation.
Shawn Conklin barricades don't protect against an army that teleports it's troops in
Man, I hate bullet sponge difficulty
MrSeagull I'm level 4000 so all enemies are bullet sponges and it bothers be
MrSeagull Survival is actually pretty fun, nothing is a bullet sponge, including you XD
For me every Human i have to hit more then 5 times in the chest or 2 times in the head are Bullet Sponges.... And in Fo4 even on survival after level 60 most enemeys are Sponges..... that drives me Nuts....
TBCecksdeeXD I've been getting into survival too, and I have to say, makes the game much more fun, you doing a stealth build? It really helps
Aiden O'Connell Stealth is the way to go for almost any Bethesda game XD
It also could be the former Minute Men lacked the knowledge to farm it is a bit more complicated than just put seeds in the earth.
Maybe, but I doubt every single settler has farm "training", and yet you can assign any settler to be a farmer.
John even if you don't have fertilizer,spays or experience if you put seeds in the ground at least some will grow at least half normally im not sure what part radiation would have it that though
I would count that as a game mechanic, just like how crops are replenished in few in-days rather than taking months and years to grow.
Or how few tomato plants and carrots can feed an entire settlement.
It's also just as likely that intense radiation altered the DNA of nearly every vegetable and fruit in the Commonwealth to allow weekly pickings and still have plenty of left overs. But yeah, game mechanic is still likelier. A great many gamer will cry, whine, and complain when video games become real life for the ultimate immersion experience...
Adam Gray If these thing could produce new crops every week, the farms would not be struggling as they are. Commonwealth would be covered in plants, rather than the current mostly dead situation.
Also, it's matter of "Game style vs. mechanics". In game like Banished, more realistic approach is expected, but Fallout is not "realistic" in anyway, and it most certainly does not try to be in-depth settlement simulator (FFS, you can clean up sanctuary of everything useful in less than a day, in reality that would take months and multiple people working)
"yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me" Those are the words I feel like saying because of this place
I'd say "Ah crap!" (uncharted fans will get it)
Excuse me tomatoes. Ill have you know that they are called tato's.
Touché
I actually live on a boat myself so this raider Base is one of my favorites
Its_Me_Romano _ hows life?
BellaTorresBruh great it's really awesome living on the water, it's something else
i thought about living on my dads boat for the summer, but the lack of being able to use my rig made me not lol
I like the Minutemen on a number of levels as well, however my biggest problem with them boils down to the fact that they seem to be almost exclusively reactive to the world around them. Nearly every other faction is doing something proactive whether it be the B.O.S. seeking out technology or the Railroad trying to subvert the Institute. The Minutemen always seem to be two steps behind everyone because they're so busy reacting to things instead of taking the fight TO someone.
Even Kent in Good Neighbor was making a proactive plan to bring the Silver Shroud to life. It strikes me as kind of sad, in a way, that you can't just send squads of Minutemen out to raze raider camps to protect the Commonwealth.
Psychologically speaking Forward thinking and planning is learned not inherent to humans. If these people have only reacted to their surroundings their whole lives, it makes sense that they would not know how to plan ahead. Speaking liberally the Minutemen are basically how Raider Gangs SHOULD work. "We protect you, you feed us."
But thats the smartest move really. They regain their prominence and power , wipe out smaller threats until they become contenders while the other 3 beat each other down for dominance: the perfect stage for the taking.
I haven't even gone to Libertalia yet, and I basically already have Le Fusil Terribles. I was lucky enough to find a combat shotgun with that exact legendary effect while clearing out some building in Boston. I've named it "Sounds of Violence"
Unfortunately, this video represented a too narrow and blind approach to the Raider problem, especially considering that the back-story of this place gives us an interesting reunion of facts that can lead someone into this path beyond the “they are just bad” (or “lazy”) general view.
The survival in the Wastelands is not a simple “pick a place, do some work and everything will be fine”. Also, the raider’s path is not a simple “I don’t want to work, so I will take from others and live the easy life”, as many raider stories from the Commonwealth show.
The minutemen story of Libertalia is an actual interesting example. These men are fighters. They don’t know how to farm, for example, and would be dead before they were able to get a sufficient and reliable crop at this irradiated wasteland. The only real option available to them was the mercenary work (they have weapons, the knowledge of how to use them and nothing else). With the money they make with this they would be able to buy food from the ones that know how to (and have the means to) produce it. However, this didn’t work.
They are still starving. It is a very dangerous job and many caravans and settlements (you know, the “good working people”) are ripping them off (aren’t paying, are paying less,...). At one point they stole supplies (maybe after some cheated them in a deal or, maybe, in a situation of total desperation) and this became their way to survive, since they had no real alternative (the “real” here is an important word, since there are opportunities in the Commonwealth, but not everyone have the capacity to make use of them - as said, if you don’t know how to cultivate crops in a irradiated place, you will not survive as a farmer in this world).
So to go with the “they are just lazy” idea is a very narrow and close minded approach, especially when there is a story in front of you telling one of many ways people can be forced to this point by the circumstances.
Observe that I don’t need to defend the raiders or to say that what they do is right or ok to be able to understand them. I don’t side with them, I consider that their approach is less productive to society a whole, I don’t give them a pass and think that, in several cases, they are beyond any possible recovery (given the state of affairs). But this is also not the same as ignoring their story and adopting a misleading and unfair “they are just lazy” view. This non-emphatic approach doesn’t help either because it ignore the causes of the problem and hinders you ability to solve it.
(Yes, this got too long, but I reduced it as much as I could. Thank you if you got gave the time to read it all, or most of it).
But is torture necessary?
Well Oxhorn is a naive Idealism and a stubborn one IMO, I always disagreed on his view of morality, cause he's all black&white and did't consider thing in a realistic point of view, hell he think the minuteman is the best hope for chrissake.
Yeah cause one man/woman can resurrect a dead faction on his own.Note that you don't have any help for "helping the settler", and just imagine after helping theme, they just tell you to fuck off(Wire: I told you) then I want too see how "not lazy" will Oxhorn can get.
This story was straight up put in to help you sympathize with raiders, to completely ignore all of it and show zero empathy is just stupid.
LegendRaccoon its important the note the depth of his argument. Are all raiders evil for stealing to survive? No. The important distinction lies in their activity, and he even pointed this out in the video. There are bodies who have been tortured and drowned. Even if a raider is taking supplies by force, and they are successful, there is noreason, no reason at all that they need to engage in cruel, sadistic behavior. Do raiders steal? Yes, of course, and this isn't the factor that makes them clearly evil. Raiders find joy in torture, murder, and presumably rape. All of that has no justification once what is necessary for survival has been obtained.
@@LegendRaccoon SO then why do you keep watching and commenting on his videos?
I adore that you post everyday Ox! Must be difficult having to record, edit and post videos daily though. Thank you very much for all your effort. I always look forward to your content.
Thanks for watching!
Well when you want to turn it into a job and try to survive off you tube add revenue the only way to do that is to keep hitting that upload button daily. I hope he keeps it up since casey niestat ended his vlog and isn't uploading daily anymore.
i too, second this comment, thank you oxhorn for the sea of wonderful content.
Couldnt have said it better!
My issue isn't if the raiders are or aren't evil (They are, like super evil. Granted the least evil ones are probably the ones in the food stockpile since they are more or less content to just fortify their position and live off the supplies). My issue is your personal opinions on the matter. From all the backstory to that point, many minutemen were full time soldiers as opposed to farmers helping one another. Your argument that they could just become farmers has problems when you consider in real life a large portion of the current homeless population in north america are former soldiers. Its hard to unlearn being a soldier and become someone else.
That said, the logs you find don't paint them as going "Oh well, we're raiders now" from shear laziness, but attempting to ply their skills as soldiers in the form of caravan guards and mercenaries. The whole getting fucked over constantly in said attempts leads to an inevitable conclusion. Anger, hatred, disgust at those they fought and died for, and nothing to show for it.
Raiders in this game are unmistakably evil due to their portrayal (The corpses decorating their bases and the fucked up things they do.) But they are still human.Hence why you occasionally hear them swearing vengence on you for killing a friend and the like. I rather liked that touch. Granted the soul survivor does some unmistakably evil things too. The least evil ending still kills many non-combatants and unleashes nuclear fallout on the wasteland. And wiping out the railroad and blowing up the Prydwen are also pretty evil, granted I find wiping out the railroad the lesser of two evils since they are kinda shit-heels about the treatment of non synths, in that they would be fine killing a hundred innocent people if it meant saving or sparing some synths.
We also need to ignore for the sake of this that the sole survivor has the magic abilities to make crops instantly sprout from the ground and water gush forth from the earth, instantly magicing entire settlements into existence with random shit in his bag, as in reality it takes months for even the easiest crops to grow (Potatoes if you're wondering) to reach a harvest-able stage.
“They can’t become farmers, they only know how to shoot”
What a dumb argument. There’s wildlife everywhere. Become a hunter instead of a murderer. Raiders are just complete losers
I fully agree, they were soldiers of the people, for the people. When they fell on hard times, they used their skills to earn honest money. And the caravans screwed them out of the money & supplies they desperately needed. And it's a bloody nuclear wasteland, which makes farming exponentially harder, even with mutated animals & vegetation.
Unless I missed it, to me there were clear design references to Waterworld, that famed overbudget distopian Costner film. They also referenced another distopian Costner film, in cut content; The Postman. haha
That one Knight at the beginning he like, "Need a hand?"
I wish they had allowed you to join a raider gang as a faction. I would have just liked the option.
Mark Petersen get the nuka world dlc. There are three raider gangs you can join ;D
as good as it was, i wanted to build my raider gang around me. but now, i just go in gun's ablaze
Maybe have hunger being a main theme in Fallout 5, making being a raider a really good option to get food
I killed Wire with a sniper rifle before I even Raided the Ship, when I got to the top instead of Wire, there was a guy in Strong Raider Power armour.
Wonderful video man! Found you recently and cant get enough of your quality content!
If I remember my Fallout Lore, most Raiders are not raiders because they are lazy. If I remember correctly, most Raiders become such because of Brain damage caused by Radiation exposure. I could be wrong, but I think that was in one of the Turn based games.
That is the lore for Far Harbor for sure. The fog drives them mad. I am not sure about other raiders though.
silentpaw like OxHorn replied to you, I Far Harbor I'm sure they went insane. However, not everyone is brain damaged in Fallout 4. People become raiders because they can't live another lifestyle.
Oxhorn But there are some pretty genius level criminals who never got caught and on the flip side there are some lazy successful and rich individuals who had everything handed to them. I suppose that translates to the game as well as real life. Pick an on the other hand...well how do you view that guy?
silentpaw Brain damage due to radiation??? you mean the Radiation that is the problem of EVERYONE else.?
You don't need brain damage to be a violent entitled assholes. There are terrorist who are well educated, have families, had better paying jobs than most of use, yet even with the education they had that meant they should have known better, they still CHOOSE to be terrorist who kill innocent people, who enslave others.
Don't make excuses for. Realise the reality that being human does not automatically makes people good, or decent , or productive. We were animals ones. We still are.
Trustworthy McLegitimate
I'm not making excuses. I am just bringing up Fallout Lore. If I remember correctly, most Raider groups are the way they are because of mutations caused by radiation. The thing most people forget is, Raiders are often cannibalistic in nature. They don't just slaughter the innocent, they often butcher and eat the bodies. I for one think every raider encampment should be slaughtered, with extreme prejudice. But raiders are more like a plague than a conscious choice in most cases I feel, a plague that needs to be removed from the face of the Earth.
i love that you post everyday keep them coming I look forward to them
The philosophy of the raider and their fallacies was a very nice addition to the video. It's good to hear a viewpoint that isn't stuck on just watching the world burn. Keep up the good work and have a nice day! ^^
Thanks for the awesome video Oxhorn, most people I talk to always tease me on my love for the Minutemen because they say "It is an old relic of the times". Glad to see that you like them as well and I can't wait for your series on them!
I disagree with the statements that they were not forced to become raiders and that they chose to not become settlers. Being a farmer and livestock owner is just as unreliable as mercenary work. The wasteland is pretty unforgiving, so they more than likely saw that making a living that way may take too long and they might fail on their first try.
Dumb take. They could’ve become hunters instead of murderers. There’s wildlife everywhere
i always go in one of Ox's videos expecting to get some lore on Fallout, i always go out getting morally enlightened
The last terminal entry in Wire's terminal always gets me.
"I don't feel like writing anymore."
A former good guy who had to take drastic measures to survive, and is disgusted by what he's become, but can't stop because that's the only way to survive. If the rest of the game had writing as half-assed as that, the game would've been a lot better.
I appreciate your ethical perspectives on Libertalia and Wire. Very nice to hear some deeper thinking about things like this in the game.
I find it poetic that the new general. A man/women who's changing the commonwealth and rebuilding the minutemen has the opportunity to deal with the betrayers of said cause. Thus showing the new way will always make way for it's self.
I feel Garvey is beaming with pride as the two of you right the wrongs of the ex minutemen
I hate how black and white your argument is but I have to agree with it on most levels. The only flaw with your argument is that it heavily relies on people having a good morality which not everyone has.
Here's a raider scenario I like your thoughts on. Your tired, your roughed up, haven't had a good drink in awhile but most of all your staving. You can't farm because you don't know how, depending where you are you can't settle because either the place wants you to pay a fee and you don't have caps or just doesn't want you there because of a superficial reason, so you keep wandering. You find a farm, the farmer won't hire you and you have nothing to trade. Do you keep wandering looking for a place to sleep and starving yourself to death or do you take enough of the farmers crops just so you can live another day.
It's not the moral thing to do but it's the most practical.
Hell the only reason I hate raiders is because they shoot you on site that or their cannibals or cultist.
I said that too!
I couldn't make it past his black and white morality shit in the middle. Reeked of bile that strikes too close to home.
Maliciously Delicious
Why is there reeking bile so close to your home?
See, viewers sometimes comment as to why I even have to talk about the "morality" of raiders in some of my vids. Because of course they are evil, and of course what they are doing is wrong. Short threads like these demonstrate why I have to do so. As I said in a previous video, morality is not gray, it is a spectrum that includes gray, and black, and white. This is one of those black and white issues. I don't care what scenario turned Wire and his men into raiders--there is never, EVER an excuse for the murder and torture of people, just because you need what they have.
I am totally cool being accused of having a black and white view of morality on that issue.
that fair
I'm fairly new to your lore videos and I'm really appreciating your depth of analysis of the moral decisions made in the world, and frankly how it relates to the real world of "choices" we make everyday.
Love your work my man. Thank you for your pleasant and informational videos. Addicting stuff.
Like Oxhorn said, the Commonwealth is abundant in uninhabited farm land, perfect for crop and cattle farming. The only reason that there isn't more settlers is the constant threat from raiders/gunner/super mutant/synth attacks - something that a well armed former militia would be well suited to dealing with. I find it difficult to believe that they didn't have anyone within their ranks who knew how to run a successful farm, or had experiencing in game hunting, or salvaging in order to build farms and shelters.
The reason they turned to raiding is because they were determined to make a living on their only skill set, which was being an organized fighting force. But it's not an excuse; if a man 200 years out of time can relearn how to survive and tame the wasteland, so could have they.
farming is freaking hard, maybe they didn't know how to grow crops? maybe all they had was pulling a gun? they possibly didnt have the skills to do anything else.
Only found your channel a few days ago and since then i have been binge watching your Fallout 4 Lore series. Loving your videos, they're so entertaining and informative and i can't wait to explore your other playlists! :-)
I guess they could've made some settlements...
But then Preston Garvey would force you to defend them years later
Great video.
Can't wait for your minutemen video.
Is this where the synth raiders live
Harry Marshall only their leader is a synth
AdventuremanNB rip lol
A synth raider
I'm loving this video series. Hope you keep going with it. With all the research you've done on Fallout 4, you ever thought about writing stories for quest mods?
great vid man, nice to see someone on par with game theory when it comes to research into entertainment, keep it up, since I found out about your chanel I hear one of your stories while I play fallout almost every time
Oxhorn do you know how hard it is to grow plants? Do you know how many plants I've killed? lol. If killing plants were a crime I'd be serving life lol. I finally figured out how to keep ONE alive. I think there may have been reasons you aren't considering these minutemen turned raiders. I agree with your points but I like to think objectively. What if they were there because it gave them the combat multiplier they needed to beat the gunners no spot that they could garden and grow crops could? The gunners hot on their tail they used the bridges to kill invaders and fat man to artillery from a long distance. It was the only place they could survive with the rest of the minutemen disbanded. Gunners are a strong cult like gang after all and mercs as well that probably were the ones that didn't allow them to make a living as mercs taking all the jobs up. Just some thoughts I had.
Ox himself & the terminal you can find both mentions how they were cheated by the caravans, so prolly that too
Damnit Oxhorn I love your videos.
Thanks for watching!
I hope you hit 100k subs tonight fingers crossed
wow oxhorn, I remember watching you almost a decade ago, just saw how rapidly this new channel is growing, very nice to see, keep it up man, I want you on youtube forever
I am so glad I found this channel. We have the same moral compass and views for Fallout events and such. The passion and detailed videos for the Fallout lore is also great!
Allow me to play devil's advocate for a minute. You can say that raiders are lazy but the farming lifestyle is very hard for a soldier to transition to. Farming is not as easy as it sounds. It takes time and education to understand the appropriate pH of the soil that is suitable for planting, understanding the amount of water a crop needs, what conditions the plant takes to grow (whether a crop is in need of a greenhouse environment or if it's hearty enough for a normal field), the amount of crop yield, ect. Sure it is possible to find a run down farm and bring it back to life, but that also comes with its own problems in the form of "why was this abandoned?" because the land could be too heavily irradiated for certain plants to grow or the soil's nutrients have been overdrawn and is no longer suitable for farming. This takes time and resources that Wire's group does not have. By the time they get a farm stable enough to sustain themselves, its entirely possible that most of his group would have defected or died of starvation. What they did have is training (what little the minutemen gave) and weapons which is why mercenary work was the most "viable" solution, but because they were cheated on many of their jobs, they needed a more lucrative endeavor to put their combat training to use. Jumping to where wire leads a raider gang, he is too far in to going back to going on the straight and narrow. Even though he is the leader, he is in no position to turn the raiders into respectable traders, farmers or even reform them to a new branch of the minute men because the people who most recently joined do not share those ideals. If he were to change course, it would most likely end up with Wire getting a bullet to the brain and a worse leader stepping in. Even in his last entry, Wire feels regret for the things hes done. Even if he leaves the raider group, Libertalia is still a threat to the Boston area. It would allow those raiders to go completely chaotic (more so than they already are now). So, while i don't agree with the things Wire has done, I understand why he has done them. Are the raiders that joined Libertalia lazy? Most likely. Is Wire's decision to turn to raiding a decision fueled by necessity and perpetuated by the "between a rock and a hard place" scenario? I would like to think so.
Supergundum , your right as someone that lives on a farm and has done it all their life. In these guys scenario I would turn to taking what I could when I wanted because it does take time to grow things and might as well help myself to what the others have made in that hellhole.
Supergundum meanwhile any settler I find can farm at my settlement
@@kyleslades3067They can also be doctors, it's for gameplay reasons bro
Best channel for fallout 4, oxhorn if your reading this i also liked your book
Thank you very much! I had a lot of fun writing it :)
Oxhorn uhhh, those settlers who cheated the minutemen out of food actually deserved to be raided; because settlers are cruel.
It's been awesome watching your channel grow to 100,000 subs I love these videos
LOL I literally just looked to see if you had a video on this yesterday. HILARIOUS that you posted it. I love your lore videos man! I just don't understand how a Minuteman could flip like this and become a raider.
Ben Tomlin Stress that is work related? Growing sick of a rinse and repeat life style,.and looking for a new one.
No excuse.
Top Raider Mods for fallout 4. plz!!
Its sad that the minutemen took to raiding to survive. It just shows raiders aren't always bad people and that they didn't have a choice. Its not their fault they are uneducated in a post apocalyptic world and couldn't farm etc. I felt guilty after killing them all to then find out their story. People should feel sorry for raiders as they aren't the 'bad guys'. The bad people in the game are the traders etc that won't help their fellow man without getting profit. As for the synth I don't see such a big problem he thought he was real and joined a group of people desperate to survive and helped a strong community which sadly the vault dweller wiped out.
Also it isn't the minuteman/raiders fault at Libertalia, it is Preston Garveys for not 'marking it on your map'. If he did a whole community could have been saved and the minutemen would have been stronger. Then again with Preston Garvey they probably wouldn't want to rejoin. So in total it is always Preston's fault. I find Oxhorn's opionion of morality is invalid. There is no mortality or proper justice in the commonwealth. Surely it is more morally wrong to kill raiders - they are just ordinary people, and the commonwealth needs as many people surviving as possible. Yes their way of life isn't fair on all people but it is a way of having different communities co-existing.
Mr Lee, my point still stands. Also in my opinion it would have been better if Bethesda allowed you to use Libertalia raider base as trading point like bunker hill. It would have been more morally right and badass to be able to interact with the community there than just mindlessly slaughter everyone. The Vault Dweller could also have brokered deals between raiders and other factions, made some caps, got XP and everyone would have been happy. At the end of the day if you were starving and could not find a suitable farming area eg ton of ghouls, deathclaw etc or didn't have the supplies to move would you truly let the traders who raided you of your possessions get away with it? If you answered 'no' you would be dead.
You are twisting my words! Point 1 Raiding is justified for survival, heck the vault dweller raids everyone and everything as an example. Point 2 Wire being a minuteman in a settlement was a better life than raiding. It is a shame he and his group lost that cosy lifestyle. It is one up on raiding, but raiding is the next best thing for survival.
Well someone's been cranking the 'rant-o-matic' up today! Point taken about Preston, I presumed he was a minuteman at the time. Point taken I also disagree with the torture and heads on spikes, unless it was justice for some equal hideous actions.
The canon raiders in Fallout 4 are hardly perfect I accept, but the raiding concept is a viable concept if it were to become more civilised. Raiders could hypothetically become like minutemen. What people don't realise is that Raiders probably help make the commonwealth a safer place. When they are out on patrol they will be killing the horrors of the wasteland as they go making it safer for settlements.
Now to put this in perspective if raiders made toll roads they could keep areas of wasteland safe for travel and make money of trader caravans. Also their protection costs from settlements would be a fairer deal as they would indeed be protecting settlements. Raiders could become the 'law' if they put their minds to it.
Just look at Raiders, they are the commonwealths best scavengers and survivalists. If they could scavenge some robots together they could replace workers with robots at the settlements they control, thus leaving the workers to pursue better causes etc.
I know this is a lot of hypothetical waffling but it could happen in the wasteland. The crux of the matter with raiders is the lack of leadership structure which allows excesses to happen such as you mentioned torture. With a proper structure of do's and don'ts combined with those strong enough to enforce it, raiders could become an big asset to the Commonwealth. I believe I have now exhausted my reasoning's on this topic.
I honestly don't know what to say in return, what you have written is so sound it blows my original opinion out of the water. I accept defeat, you have just written the ultimate moral answer that I think no one can counter!
i love wakining up and you've uploaded.
Hey Ox! I am mostly a new viewer, but i absolutely love your videos! You got the perfect actor and story telling voice haha.
In many of your videos you bash raiders as not willing to do the hard work. But it is much more than that. Farming takes time, months, for food to grow. So in the mean time? They would have to continue to be mercenaries, getting scammed, and starving. As well there is no guarantee that they will have a harvest. Is any of these men in James' company a green thumb? Even just bad luck can bring them down, perhaps a rad storm completely destroys a harvest. Furthermore we don't know if farming would have saved them. We don't know how big a harvest would be, perhaps it would feed them and drop a couple thousand caps on them. Perhaps they'd have to share 5 tomatoes with the entire company. The same could be said with being a raider, they didn't know if they would survive and if their missions would be successful, but they had to choose one and hope that they live.
Furthermore this is Mass. A thing one learns when studying the colonies is that the New England states had a difficulties in farming compared to Virginia and the Carolinas. If this was in those states it would be a lot easier to farm, but the Commonwealth is lacking in prime real estate and anybody that does have it are targets.
You proved his point in the first few sentences
No offense Ox but would it be possible to either put your views after the whole story is told, or just add a button to skip past it. i don't totally disagree with your views, but as someone who watches a lot of your videos i have heard your "Raiders are lazy and not justified" pitch many times now, and when its in the middle of the video it really pulls me out of the enjoyment of the story.
I really love the way you do these lore vids the way you go in-depth with it is very nice thank you good sir
Fun fact some may not know: Le Fusil Teribles means The Terrible Shotgun, like the one from Fallout 3.
"It's not hard to become a serial killer" - That's a rather uninformed and ignorant statement.
I love these videos. I quit playing this game for a long time and these videos got me back into it.
Ahahaha! Holy crap! I didn't know about the cable car @7:46. The two times I've been to Libertalia I just jumped in the water and swam to the main boat after clearing the rest of the area.
Minor issue with the "they could have become settlers" argument. Pre-industrial farming is HARD. It's not just "plant the crops on convenient slap of ground", there is whole lot of stuff happening and growing crops can take anywhere from few months to YEARS to start producing food.
Game simplifies this by allowing you to plan fully grown plants right away, but a real farmer would need to spend lots of time and effort gather seeds, finding good soil (because not all soil is equal), protecting the crops and do this all while trying to avoid starving. This is assuming you even KNOW how to farm. If I were to hand you a tomato in hand, would you know how to turn that tomato into a tomato plant?
It should also be noted that the raiders in Libertalia didn't randomly chose their lifestyle. They did try legitimate work at first, but got swindled by the traders.
In short, game makes it look easy to found a settlement, but in reality, setting up one is very, very difficult. If these people started with no food and nothing to trade for, they are basically asked to try to survive perhaps an year until they can hope to get their first crops, assuming the crops don't fail in the process.
If you look at the crops you can grow in the game, many of them are very small in yield and look sick. With Commonwealths periodic radstorms, it is very likely that the crops fail again and again. Most farms are clearly designed to simply support a single family, rather than a large community. Hell, the farm that is supposed to feed my settlement in sanctuary and its 20 people can't even feed one person in real life. The crops are far, far too small.
Is what raiders are doing evil? Yes. However, economy situation of the Fallout (it is zero-sum game. Farmers are, in the terms of economy, creating wealth out of nowhere) raiding is one way to survive. We can't declare all raiders evil by nature right away. We can recognize that sometimes, people are driven to raider lifestyle. It does not make them any more righteous, but we should not be quick to say "Oh, why don't they just settle the land?" Especially when they clearly state that that they did try legitimate work, and it was the traders that screwed them over.
I do find it interesting that as time has passed, raiders have become more and more unhinged. In Fallout 1, they were mainly slavers and brigands. Fallout 2 started to make them drug addicts. Fallout 3 and New Vegas had most of them be out of their mind and insane and by Fallout 4, they are excessively violent.
It seems that the "quality" of raiders has steadily gone down, perhaps as a result of more and more organized civilizations appearing? NCR broke the backs of Khans, Vipers and Jackals, which mean that only meaningful Raider group was Legion. Legion desperately needed to found their New Rome, or face collapse after death of Caesar. Khans, only original raider group to surivve, have become nomads. They still raid, but it is actually raiding rather than the excessive violence we see in Fallout 4.
By Fallout 4, it seems that only way for these gangs to survive anymore is to be horribly violent and commit atrocities, or the more organized groups will wipe them out. Minutemen might have been too strong to allow the "sensible" raiders to survive, and with the Minutemen decimated, these unhinged groups are only ones left, and the new generation of raiders follow their example.
99k!!!! good work! im gonna celebrate when you hit 100k!
What i understanded: Titanic 54 sinks and doesnt snap,raider steal wreck and turns into base.
So close to 100,000 well done dude I remember when my dad showed my you :D
Im amazed that you are able to upload a video everyday. Keep em coming.
Missed opportunity for Minutemen Generals! How cool a potential interaction with Wire to flex your General muscles and maybe recruit him and a couple of his soldiers back into the fold
I guess you can say I abandoned the original idea of the Minutemen ideals. I ally with settlements, and build defenses and shops. But when I get the notification to defend said settlement, I let em defend themselves. Aside from poor leadership that made them collapse in the first place, it was also settlers not being trained in combat.
"Lot of fun to explore"
Unless you have a fear of deep water and fall off the narrow ass walkways with power armor. Learned that lesson pretty quick.
Another awesome video Ox!
I didn't even know the gondola existed until weeks after I'd completed this part, I got on board by climbing up the superstructure.
The first time I came to this location when siding with the Institute to find Gabriel, I found it to be such a headache of an area. I really wonder how the level designers were able to create such a chaotic bundle of ships that reflects the story behind the location. I did feel the weight of the story and it was very intimidating.
god I can't wait to come back to fallout and I can't WAIT for your Minuteman video Oxhorn
The fact you can immerse, and then hold the attention of someone with a short attention span for the length of your videos, shows a real gift, and an unteachable skill. I can only imagine the hours and attention to even the tiniest details that goes into each of your videos... And I must say, THERE ARE ONLY 24 HOURS IN A DAY! Where you have the time and energy to do this daily, and then factor in living your day to day life and also keeping your physical and mental health up during these stressful past few years especially, is beyond me.
until now I didn't even know there was a gondola that gets you on the ship. Just found it to be a bit tricky to jump on a few containers to get into the outside area of the ship but thought it's part of the game...
Really nice video Oxhorn. keep it up!!
Love the lore videos. Interesting concepts to think about.
This was always one of the most places I wish a workshop was so I can set up a settlement here it just looks amazing with amazing views and makes me feel like I'm on a vacaation
For as much research as you put into your video's, I'm surprised you aren't as well known. Great vid too!
at 0:20 into the video i already learn something new, I learn that the Libertalia settlement is comprised of only one of the ships in the harbor, I always thought that Libertalia was the name for all of the ships structures that comprised the settlement not just the largest one.
When ever i seen the Floating settlements built around the settlement of Libertalia it always makes me think of another floating settlement known as Dijima which was a Dutch trading post settlement located in the Nagasaki Harbor in the period of 1641 until 1853.
I assume they got the name for the city from the name of the ship, which has since worn off. So maybe the ship originally was called Libertalia.
I made a settlement here using the mod where you can start settlement anywhere. Actually had to make it a cluster of three settlements to get all the boats and a little bit of the land.
Lmao I just walked across the rope that connects it to the dock
I don't know if you knew this, but the Le Fusil Terribles is a reference to The Terrible Shotgun in Fallout 3 (probably my favorite weapon in Fallout 3 too). From the name to the effects they have.
yo oxhorn, i started watching your videos a little bit back ago, and i got really interested into fallout, anyways, i got the game again and i started playing. then i was thinking about certain ideas and theories and whatnot. anyways, i wanted to see about the raiders and their influence on the commonwealth, your channel kind of inspired me i supposed to try and make this video that im about to do. so for that, thank you. your videos are great and ill watch them until i don't have anything else to watch
can't wait to see your Minute Man videos
Awesome commentary on life and its choices, in the game.
If you like the idea of Libertalia as a floating city, and want to build your own, check out Barge Town. It is a great mod, available on PS4.
Actualy theres another way on-to the main city, not just the gondola. You can go around all the tugs and rafts, and swim to a water-level entrance.
As a kid I never needed bedtimes stories to fall asleep. Now as an adult I've noticed that I can easily fall asleep watching one of these videos. Not to say they're boring or anything, but because of the way you describe the dungeon I can easily visualize it. Watching one late at night I can just play a video, and get comfy. The next morning I rewatch what I've missed and carry on. The longer videos I download offline and play them when I'm on break at work and whatnot. These have also encouraged me to do a second and even a third play though of fallout 4. All in all I LOVE these videos. I soon hope to be able to support your channel. Keep up the amazing work 🤙🏽
Instead of taking that gondola thing there is a little rap from the water to the boat which I took while looking for the elevator because there was a mod that had a special power armor near the elevator and I couldn't find it
You have no clue how many times I fell to the bottom of the ocean and had to fast travel back before I found the gondola
They say games rot our brains
I don't think this rots my brain, I think I only become more of a philosopher
Thanks Ox.
There was one thing you might have missed and thats James Wires is reason why Bunker Hill wont join the Minutemen before the Battle of Bunker Hill. If you finish the 2 Bunker Hill quests before the Battle and ask them to join the Minutemen I believe Kessler says something to the effect that no she wont joined them as they betrayed Bunker Hill (presumably this refers to what happaned in the James Wire Entries on the terminal
Your voice is so pleasing to listen to. I can't help falling asleep to your videos lol Please never stop making videos
I always just presumed that Libertalia was the name of the ship.
Oxhorn you should do a lore video on Eddie Winter, outside of the quest Nick gives you there is some holotapes and info about him like at the Wicked Shipping Fleet Lockup which leads you to more info at the Mass Fusion Containment Shed.