Man City Will NOT Be Relegated!
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2024
- Manchester City will NOT be relegated and cleared of all charges claims financial and litigation expert Stefan Borson.
This is your latest Man City news and Man City transfer news.
Manchester City are still facing the 115 Premier League charges and TalkSport interviewed financial and litigation expert, Stefan Borson, who provided his opinion on Man City and the 115 charges.
Join me, Jonny - on Typical City, to watch me react to TalkSport's "Man City will be relegated".
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Jordan couldn't pay player's wages at Palace and went into administration. Who the hell is he to take the moral high ground 😅
😅👈Wrong emoji
Maybe he should have done a city and paid them off the books from other accounts
Maybe your club could try to win the treble 😂 @@suffocatdevil
@@suffocatdevil he's clearly not intelligent enough.
@@JPIQQGmaybe your club could try to win the European cup back to back
Johny lad you’ve banging City’s drum on the charges for months while no one else was. Massive respect 🫡 Proper city fan
Simon Jordan is such a smug w⚓
Stefan did a wonderful job of shutting down their nonsense. Simon was absolutely unbearable the entire time and despite the ham fisted attempt to make City fans worry, he instead gave a platform to an expert with an objective and accurate read of the situation. Brilliant.
An expert who's a city fan ? 😂😂😂😂
P.s eufa have just fucked you over lol
The video which is on youtube is done by Manchester United fans.
There are no names, credits at the end of the video. Why not?
In Khalddon we trust. He has been here since day one. Class act.
He's gonna be the next Bond.
Liverpool and Manchester United both fined for match fixing.
Yoonited fined for 300 thousand euros for cheating.
Liverpool fined 1 million for Hacking Manchester City's computer.
Hi mate I heard the interview and after all the interruptions from Jordan, Steffen said " even tho Simon wont like it, City wil be found not guilty". Now today known that Jordan got cooked went over the interview and continued accusing City and only mentioned City could be relegated .. said Steffen Not found innocent .. if I was Steffen I would be pissed .
Spot on mate the little shit Jordon butted in all the time
stefan is a classy guy god bless him
I can see in to the future.
I can tell you city are cleared of all charges.
I can see into future noel gallagher holding guitar waiting- play don't look backin anger and go fund me city 😢
@@Young-lion99I can see you're a 🤡👈
@@Young-lion99
backin? 👈🤣
@@Young-lion99 🤡
@@The_Real_Toast_Huntercity R backin this time 🤣
Keep up the great work. We need City fans to stay positive.
Man....I love this channel ... Take a bow sir . 👏 👏 👏
When found not guilty, City should sue the Premier League.
And that gobshite goldbridge
It would be unwise to reopen the matter to further scrutiny in that way.
Sue all the cnuts that made videos saying we're cheats. All the media too.
There's one thing I can't grasp Johnny, with charging city with 115 charges you would think the FA would have a mountain of evidence wouldn't you? well let's see it.
@@DavidEdwards-uf5lg The 115 charges come down to about 5 real charges but duplicated.
You would have thought UEFA had mountains of evidence too,...turned out they had BS.
amazing video. nailed it jonnie. wish other channels would go over the premier league charges like u do bro
Did anybody remember when city got done off uefa the first time and kaldoon did his end of season video. He said we'll take this on the chin THIS TIME. As if to say if this happens again you're all done for.
Exactly. A convicted murderer doesn't get a £10m fine for not cooperating with plod in it's investigation. Absolute jokers these football authorities, so amateur.
Why have HMRC been happy for the last 10 years?
Why have no one thought about this , thanks . The more I read about these comments the more I think City are innocent of all charges.
Because IF we've artificially increased our income, they've got MORE tax, not less.
Point blank.
@Telssa1 Yeh cos that sounds like a good business plan and that's from a business owner?
@raymondratcliffe5799 because they are all blindfolded by the Red Team (x3) media who want this to happen to eliminate City. If City win this case a lot of people including media, youtubers and representatives of PL clubs will be shitting themselves. Personally I hope they start with Gill and Goldbridge.
Liverpool fan, friend of mine, keeps telling me City are cheats. For the record, I've been a fan since '73 & honestly, if they went down, I'd still cheer them on.
If we do go down, I've enjoyed the rivalry with you lot, couldn't have been better🙌
Everybody keeps saying they're cheats yet not one single person has any evidence of anything.
Have you reminded your friend that Liverpool paid a £1 million settlement to Manchester City after City complained that their scouting system had been hacked? The payment was made in 2013 but not revealed until 2019. The FA aware but took no action.
Only Man City are going no where but to the top of the league, four peat it will be, let them eat their words ❤
@@RosemarieGentles 🩵
The two major clubs pushing these FFP charges are Liverpool and Yoonited.
… and Arsenal - three.
@@dragonballfanscantread2383 Competition laws and regulations surpass the hapless Premier leagues attempts to keep the cartel of clubs with American owners at the top who demanded the introduction of FFP.
@@dragonballfanscantread2383
This kid watches dragon balls it's a kids cartoon series. Do I have to to say much more?
@@dragonballfanscantread2383Do you actually believe what you're saying or is this just trolling?
@dragonballfanscantread2383 City have played by them until you prove differently. Another one with the verdict already sorted.
You just made my day, mate. Another great video. Thank you. Keep your head up, Cityzens.💙✨
I'm surprised City fans would be feeling down. These charges are all from the Uefa G14 handbook and have been launched down the tube already. I'm more worried about whether the PL will survive the sky blue nuke heading their way.
City Cityy City!!!!!!
100% Agree with you. Zero Charges, No relegation will happen. I can't care less what any other club or pundit says.
They have no solid evidence.
Of course they do. Otherwise the PL wouldn’t spend the money to bring it to court
@@Discombobulate453 Where's the evidence then?
When was the court case?
Never happened has it
Thank you Johnny for making your voice heard!
So glad your standing up for the club and sounds who echo the same thoughts Jonny. Always love the care and attention into discussions like this. Too many opinions and not enough facts.
I hope we sue the premium league and the cronies that keep pushing this shite.
At least allow them all to take pens against David James.
Yes, me too. Heads should roll over this. If I were the City Group I'd sue the ass off all of these in the media claiming they're guilty before any hearing has even started. It's unfair on the fans apart from anything else, we went through enough crap with UEFA.
@severnsea they won't probably too classy
@@mauricesmith5871 True. You can see the impact of the success of the club already, fans of the rest absolutely desperate to find some mud that will stick. Pitiful to see at best. Hilarious to think they used to call us bitter, but this is another level of bitter.
I’m from Jamaica 🇯🇲, and I’ve been listening to your videos, you give me hope
If your last name is Hernandez that means you are from sephardic jewish descent like myself. Shalom
Jamaican detected!! ❤
remember we are out of many one people so his name doesn't discredit his credentials of being a true Jamaican/yaadie🇯🇲🇯🇲
I am Jamaican a yaadie of JEWISH DESCENT= a Jewmaican@@phillipbeckford7814
The more I listen to this Vlog , the more i am feeling up beat about City , not being Charged , I have always thought the Premier league was Bias , to certain clubs , and do not like the way City are winning trophies , and being so successful . Ps , simon Jordan can stick the microphone up his Axxe ,
Excellent blog well done. Im very confident these allegations will be thrown out again.
You should look at The Football Terrace headlines regarding City, absolutely ridiculous platform that is
You’re the best at doing this. No other city fan CZcams channel is analytically good or as good as you.
Everton on their 3rd charge. But hey that's OK... Apparently?
You've got 115 hanging over you and you're concerned over 3 ....deluded
@@Smokemeakipper41 I'm not concerned one bit. You're guilty of cheating.
@@Smokemeakipper41 I think you're the duluded one. How many clubs do you support? 🤡
@@Smokemeakipper41 Typical paddy this as 💩
Yeah Good stream pal, hope we go after the media after this as we cannot sit down and have to listen to this crap. I hope I never come across Jordan I would not be able to control myself ...shit he is ...
I also believe City are innocent ...
Hate how rival fans say City is guilty without prove We will show them when City is proved innocent💙
Yes and when they are cleared, city need to sue the f.....g arse off theFA.
@dragonballfanscantread2383 Then why haven't the Premier league done anything if they had the evidence
If proven innocent….. Oh my days the meltdown will be crazy…
@@aryankatore591 sure would
@dragonballfanscantread2383 Why? It's the PL that are being secretive not City? City have made it clear on several occasions they want it done.
your channel is extremely underrated brother 👏🏿
I watched the interview on Talk Sport and Jordan couldn't help himself, but try to change the narrative to what he wanted to hear. Stefan explained the difficulty in proving the charges against the club, as it would mean that dozens of individuals and 3rd parties (with a vest interest and no vested interest) would have in on the fraud and it is this charge, which explains why this case will take longer to be assessed... let alone City pleading their innocence and not admitting to their guilt (Everton|). But hey, why let facts get in the way of a great clickbait... the only thing we will probably be found guilty of, is that we didn't co-operate in a timely fashion. And why should we, even Simon Jordan who has been involved in a fraud case admitted in the same interview that co-operation on his side wasn't forthcoming.
My only concern is the PL feel they have a whistle blower, but again, the PL would have been more bullish if they had and would have announced it. If and it's a very BIG IF, and city are found guilty, then we will appeal immediately.
Great video Johnny
If I may say, not just as a Man City fan but as a football fan, Fuck TalkSport. Absolute Clowns. Thanks for the fantastic vid as always Johnny
You're more than welcome Danny mate!
Nice one, stefan was mint keep up the good work
Imagine even the MUEN saying we will be relegated if found guilty 😂
That's why it's called the Manchester United Evening News..... Always been biased!!!
Go on Johnny lad. Just want to point out, neither the PL or UEFA could ever argue with the value of Etihad deal itself. I recommend you check the following pages of the CAS verdict report on City's case, in order(maybe put highlighted screenshots of it in a video, the haters will fume): Page 24 - item 16, Page 27 - item 37 and Page 78 - item 289.
Page 24 item 16 - Direct quote: 'It is not even in issue that the agreements were entered into at fair market value.' This is City pointing out UEFA didn't take issue with the value of the deals themselves at any point from 2011 to 2020(neither did the PL).
Page 27 item 37 - City show why this was(they couldn't, so they needed to find something else wrong with it...) by revealing that UEFA got their own audits back from several approved audit firms in 2012/13, which showed the Etihad deal was within the acceptable range. By that season the Etihad deal had increased to £67m, where values they got back went from £40m-77m so it was comfortably lower than the highest one.
Page 78 item 289 - Direct quote: 'The majority of the panel finds Etihad Sponsorship Agreements are presumed to be negotiated at fair value and that MCFC, HHSM, ADUG and Etihad are considered not to be related parties'.
I’ve been going in the comments arguing with everyone 😂 they completely forget that United and Liverpool are actually the most recent cheats. Other fans completely forget what will happen when their teams are under the spotlight with United being almost a Billion in debt how have they had no charges against them?
Yoonited fined 300 thousand euros for cheating.
Yoonited and Liverpool both fined for match fixing.
Liverpool paid city 1 million for Hacking their computer.
@@JamieP-fi5xi_ And that’s what we know of so far, who knows what deals either have been doing behind closed doors. These teams will come under scrutiny soon enough and will bitch and moan the entire way. We will never clear our name in the court public onion but that make it’s all so sweeter
united are financially fucked so let them worry about the fact they cant sign anyone... tick. fucking. tock...
@@dragonballfanscantread2383 who’s says there not fair value? With City being bought by such wealthy people, companies will see there’s potential to disrupt the standard top teams which means exposure so who’s to say how much they should be given, just because it’s not as the same as the other teams. United have every opportunity to sell the naming rights to companies for a huge sum of money but choose not to. With them being that much in debt you’d think it’d be a great idea actually
@@JamieP-fi5xi_ Didn't Liverpool pay £1m directly to City when they were caught whilst the PL looked the other way?
F### em all won't stop me supporting the best team I've ever watched . The red Witch hunt.
The FA can't go on to make baseless allegations. They have to prove beyond every reasonable doubt of the 115 charges.
Perhaps they could VAR it to come to the correct decision.
The Premier league, not the FA
They only have to prove one of the charges- that of fraudulent accounting. This will be almost impossible to prove.
When that charge falls, all the rest go with it.
@@oyohval The FA appoint the PL heirarchy. All peeing in the same pot.
You have a right to remain silent.
Bro your videos are pure class&always funny&always say exactly what I’m thinking keep em coming always makes my day👊true blue
Also the 115 figure is misleading. It's an accumulated figure because they've multiplied each single charge by every year. It's just like Everton's repeat charge this week.
This is why I subscribed to this channel because he thinks we are innocent and the only city fan not panicking about this situation
If it is fraud why are the police and tax authorities not involved
Absolutely 100%
becasue the PL are next to useless. this 'was' all about them not wanting an inde reglulator stepping in. they are going to come away from this with egg all over their faces.
@@dragonballfanscantread2383 if it is fraud and tax evasion that makes it criminal
@@dragonballfanscantread2383It's not any case we already established that at CAS ..
Fraud is a criminal act, and if the PL accuse City of it then it becomes of interest to the police fraud squad and the serious fraud office and HMRC.
Failure to report suspected fraud to the authorities is in itself a criminal offence.
We've won it all and they hate it 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 we see things they'll never see🩵🙏✌️
Man utd and Chelsea and Liverpool should be investigated aswell
I cant see them go after LIverfool and SCum MU....Chelsea yes..CTID
You missed out Arsenal
Simon Jordan is just missing the cat under the arm
yes spot on ..
The cat left because it didn’t want to associated with that twat Jordan.
Britain's biggest betting scandal Liverpool and United 1905.
Great video, subscribed.
The problem with city being found innocent opposition fans wont say well they are cleared they will say we bought ourselves out of it
Well yes it’s literally owned by a government with the best lawyers
Warming the cockles of my heart! ( mind you, I'm not 100% sure what those cockles are in that old saying?) OK, heartwarming news for City fans! I hope City will turn and sue the Premier League once cleared, now that would be exciting to watch!
I was watching a video by Tifo on this matter. Apparently, the FA is allowed to do what they want in the process of investigation. But I think that Man City might sue them for defamation as the charge was let open to public before they were ready to be presented to the court. Let's first hope that we can be cleared of them. I would enjoy it more than trophy we have won thus far.
Great piece mate, just made me subscribe 👍🏻
What a fantastic video…. First time on this channel. Will be subscribing without a doubt.
Steffan would have told us a lot more if that jorden git would let him get a word in edgeways - been on that click bait shat platform many times and battled with the lot of em - completely pointless effort as everyone has already made their mind up - bring it on I say , we will wipe the floor with them- start thinking about the damages you will be paying city and the wording of your grovelling apology CTID
Dude, you're the best.
I love your passion and outlook. Keep fighting the good fight for us, the fans!
Stefan Borson schooled these talk sport loud mouths. They had to keep interrupting him as he destroyed their narrative.
Never could stand Jim White anyway.
All these headlines are clickbait and should be laughed at but rivals fans are lapping this shit up, in the hopes we get found guilty.
We'll get found guilty of non cooperation again and that'll be it.. No wait, we're defo guilty on the grass being too long charge...
Grass being to long is a myth adug funding the Etisalat sponsorship deal isn't, citeh fans are sweating more now than prince Andrew and clutching at more straws than a scarecrow having a wank
@@Smokemeakipper41 Clutching at straws is the perfect analogy for the shit you just typed...
You obviously paid no attention to what was said.
You're living in the fantasy that citeh will get relegated and your team, will be presented with the trophies little citeh won in a glamourous ceremony, at whichever failing football teams stadium you support...
Ain't happening in a month of Sundays.
UEFA had nothing. The Prem will have nothing. Trying desperately to look like they knew what they were doing, before the get replaced by an actual independent commission and all their shortcomings come to light.
Keep dreaming the dream though.
Simon Jordan likes to act like he's Billy big b but he's so biased it's laughable. Can't stand him
Jordan likes to be devils advocate. He just likes disagree with people, regardless of their viewpoints
Keep up the good work pal, well done. Have to say, Jordan reminded me of Alan Partridge arguing with them farmers on radio Norwich.
Leicester won the PL without major expense (though the input from Raksriaksorn wasn't insignificant) and that's to be lauded. Everyone else, including Blackburn, have had major funding. Why pick on City?
Great to hear this optimistic need
Absolutely great video mate
Objective and Simon tried to say he didn't say that shows he not even listening
“Nigerian daily post” 😂😂 were everywhere
Great video well done.
Steffen you are absolutely genius that's a true City fan respect you mate
Well said my old China I've always believed we were innocent going against all my sooth sayer City fans who convinced themselves we were guilty were as honest on the field as well as off it I want all bias pundits after the trial to publicly apologise to all man city fans worldwide after we have been found innocent
100%
Love your presentation. Kudos.
Oh and remember not to compare the Etihad deal with a straight shirt deal. If you break it down into 3 parts, it's not that high for a top 4 club with ambitions of competing every season in all comps. A club that ended up not missing a single CL season, for the whole of that initial 10 year contract, winning lots, signing some PL greats along the way.
Even Spurs are getting £40m a season on their shirt sponsor deal, so you could argue £45-50m easily for City.
The stadium naming is worth at least £15m a season considering the amount of big games that came with the aforementioned points. Especially if a Turkish team can earn close to £10m a season, in a league that doesn't get anywhere near PL global broadcast views.
The Etihad campus cannot be argued with as a massive success either, £10-15m is easily justifiable(state of the art facility, one of the best academies in the UK producing top talent). United got £10m per season for crappy Carrington from AON all the way back in 2014.... The media continued to call it Carrington from what I remember.
More recently struggling Barca who no longer have Messi, managed to agree a £79m a season deal with Spotify for shirt and stadium naming rights. Break that down how you like but it only has two parts vs City's 3 because the training campus isn't part of their deal they are still getting £12m more per season.
Oh and I can't see the message(filtered because you overdid it in your triggered rage) from the ill in formed jumped up Arsenal fan but what I wrote is backed up with facts. By the way try and get the year right(I saw enough to catch you out on that), the 'controversial deal' was signed in 2011and yes City were a top 4 club at that time, they won the league in the first year of that deal(pretty good value if you ask me). Barca's Spotify deal is the nail in coffin for all of that nonsense but I added older deals for smaller clubs and the United 2014 AON Carraington deal for further context. That is important because I've seen some sources value the Stadium naming deal at £20m, which seems to completely be ignoring the Etihad campus part. I'll also mention that Spurs were close to signing a £21m per year deal for the naming rights of their stadium(Spurs are much smaller club than City globally and this was also post COVID and start of Ukraine war), I suggest you read some of those articles where they talk about the deals found in other sports(such as the NFL) as well as the admittance that Arsenal's current £4m a season is severely undervalued. The athletic have also done articles recently asking the question if football clubs missing out by not capitalising on stadium naming deals(there are a lot of clubs with no deal at all).
The way the press compared Arsenal's with City's to say it was overvalued is a prime example of a cherry pick and a disingenuous comparison. As was comparing straight shirt deals with the Etihad deal(there is no defending that). The Emirates deal(the first PL UAE state airline stadium naming deal and the second shirt deal after Chelsea in 2001) was signed in 2004. This agreement likely helped them secure the bank loans to begin construction, along with Wenger promising to stay. Because before that, Arsenal were begging for a government subsidy to pay for all of it(Wenger saying French clubs don't pay anything and that Bayern got theirs for 1 Euro). The City deal was signed in 2011, that's and 7 year difference. The PL saw a lot of growth in those 7 years, there is data to back that up(the PL broadcasting deals for one). The main reason it's a bad comparison though, is Arsenal simply did poor negotiations(the press are even saying that now, even Arsenal fans are admitting it, finally), they didn't get as much as they could have got AND they tied themselves into contracts that were too long. The details of the Emirates 2004 deal are hazy because the stadium deal was a 15 year contract(signed in 2004) and the shirt one was a 7 year deal starting from 2006/07, with guardian saying the deal was worth £100m overall. They estimated the stadium deal at around £3m a season. Which IS low even when you compare it to smaller clubs and smaller leagues than the PL, such as Atletico Madrid(£8.4m) Febernache(£7m) and even Besiktas(£6m). None of those clubs are worth more than any of the big 6 club's in the PL to a sponsor and Arsenal in 2024 are not worth more to a sponsor either. To them, arguments about heritage, who has the most twitter fans or fans in Asia mean very little, CL appearances, title challenges, consistently being in season defining games, having the world class players known the world over, playing an attractive brand of football(some PL fans are lying to themselves, Pep's brand of football is loved globally not just in the UK).
All these years of 'but but Arsenal have more fans in the USA so they should be worth more' was always nonsense from people who don't understand how the business side of football works. Same as the people who said City earning more commercial revenue than Real shouldn't be possible. To start, the fist time they said it(the COVID season) City's commercial revenue wasn't higher than Real's, City had only moved up one place on that because United had to pay a rebate to Chevrolet(an overvalued deal, admitted by Chevrolet who moved someone on for that blunder... American owners, overvalued American sponsorship deal... but nobody cares because it's not City) and they lost bonuses for missing out on the CL etc. If people learned how to read the Deloitte reports properly they'd have seen City were 4th on commercial revenue, the broadcast and prize money was what made the biggest difference and since City went far in every competition(only missed the FA cup final out of all possible games) it's easy to see why and why nobody was asking for any rebates(how could they?). What they also would have noticed was all the Spanish clubs were dropping down the revenue rankings(that's a symptom of La Liga losing it's pull), Bayern and PSG were already above Real by then, why weren't people fuming about that and saying that should be impossible? Since then, City's commercial revenue has grown but 3 in a row, a treble and Haaland(arguably more star power than Mbappe, who may be a better player but isn't as popular, Haaland shirts are all over Europe right now), even Grealish(likened to the modern Beckham such was the clamour when he broke into the England set up.. in terms of media attention, look at his brand deals for example) and so on will do that. Some of you are just in denial about City's growth, lying about empty seats and overseas fanbase(not as big as the big sky 3 yet but easily 4th biggest right now).
This Simon Jordan guy who shares pillow and Sleeps in same Bed with Daniel Levy.
A lot depends on the extent of the evidence the epl is presenting. While stefan probably knows more than most he wont be party to the all the evidence the epl has, only what is already in the public domain
That troll @dragonballfanscantread2383 is a Liverpool fan.
He's not from Liverpool either.
Well said 👍🏻
So many CITY channels are running with the same click-bait style videos "City To Be Relegated", even when the video itself shows them saying they believe City will be innocent. It's just to way of the world these days with monetization and ad revenue unfortunately.
well in lad!
Simon Jordan, looking like a Pound Land Ken Doll, deluded himself he's a clever man.
Hasn't even got the sense to size the opportunity to say nothing😅
Said it from the start as well, might as well start singing my own praises! I can imagine the FA begging city to at least accept one charge …
Steffen took it in his stride with poor attempt at sniping by Jordan
Masterclass at managing someone who doesn’t have any substance to his argument
He’s like any other idiot who goes ‘yeah but 115 charges’
Talksport are so anti city.
I've never known Jordan so quite.plus why would utd want a man whose supposedly have overseen these so so said wrong doing?
Electric lips Jordan shut up 😂😂😂😂😂
9:04 Esilat? It's Etisalat, Simon Moaner.
If City get away with this then I will never watch the Premier League again. Corrupt from top to bottom.
Europe had 5 years of Chelsea buying the best, then when Tim Cook said to AC Milan name your price for KAKA, and then saying that they had bottled it when they backed out. After that they shit themselves, the year after FFP.
Even if we are innocent which we are nobody will believe they will keep saying we paid the judges
It doesn't matter , let them bark
Even better eating away at them for ever..😂😂
Citeh fans clutching at more straws than a wanking scarecrow
Weird! Goldbridge claimed City will be relegated. I guess the truth will be somewhere in the middle.
wtf are you doing on here ? get the FFFF of.
Thanks brother, another good video post. Reasonable views and reaction, eloquently spoken without bias. Bias doesn't even come into this "witch-hunting" type B.S. Respect Jonno , Keep the Faith 💙
nice one and ..true
Gary and Jamie are gonna be so pissed off,,, lol
City have been big news ever since the takeover… Media coverage has been exponential, positive or negative, it is headline news …Thus sponsorship exposure is at a high level ,and that influences the costs to the advertisers.. Is the standard model in the business ..QED….
That can't happen. As a citizen fan, I believe Man city will not be relegated.
They want us to believe that a hacker in Portugal was so degusted with the way city was running there club, then he handed over the stolen information to a German newspaper, who just so happen to be bayern Munichs mouth piece, in fact Munich have paid for a hacker to break the law .
Can’t expect much of TalkShite
beautiful jonny
Just why doesn’t Simon Jordan just shut up and try listening for a change? Unfortunately he just likes listening to his own voice and thinks that he knows everything!
Jonny I'm fed with our name being dragged in the mud
"accused". Is the important adjective.
City and Chelsea are guilty and we all know it regardless of the biased opinions. The rules are the rules and both of these clubs have abused the premiership and enjoyed long periods of success based on the fact they spent more money than any other club. The FA have a duty to the game to place both of these teams at the bottom of the footballing pyramid, fined and stripped of the countless trophies they should never have won and would not have done if they played by the rules.