One of my favorite things is listening to people today judging people of the past. If we could transport these people back 150 years, there would be a lot of change in the way they think. Although I don’t think most people born today, could even survive in the Unsettled west
I don't know of any indigenous tribe that is peace....Except maybe some of those Amazonian little ppl....It is not THe Norm, We are Clanish and Voilent. EVEN TO OUR OWN!
this seems to really bother a lot of you, as it’s always the main topic point any time someone talks about natives. Where did you find information that natives were calling themselves peaceful? Were there peaceful tribes, yes. But most were hunter/gatherers, and most warlike. Like he states in the video “the noble Indian is romanticized” by white people.
Anyone who has done much reading knows that intertribal fighting was a way of life for all Natives. It was just as vicious & more frequent than any fighting done between Natives & Whites. It was just a way of life..constant. The life of the a Native was a daily struggle between starvation & fighting.
Why do ppl think natives all were the same. Your bunching peoples who spaned two continents as all. Some tribes were more aggressive than others and had very different cultures than others.. many tribes were in all types of environments. it's like saying nazis in ww2 were European therefore all Europeans were nazis.. quit bunch all of us together..
@@donnagant6575 Same reason people think all white people are the same, it's just sweeping generalizations. But in general there were wars between tribes, despite some being peaceful. If you couldn't defend your land, you lost it, point blank. Remoteness protected some tribes but eventually came into contact with others who were violent. Nothing different in Europe, it was the same everywhere across the world. Nature pretty well decided whoever is the strongest lives a long long longggg time ago.
Their lack of the combined minds needed to develop technologically was due to their habit of wiping out those they've defeated in battle instead of insubjecating them as was done in most Eurasion regions. The Zulu when the British discovered them were at the technological level that the Britons were at when the Romans discovered them because they at least could unite with other tribes long enough to figure out how to smith steel.
And I guess European wars were freaking tea parties.. "plains indian" wars (didn't know if you knew this but natives were not just apaches and comanches)
@@donnagant6575 Anybody who watched this video would understand pretty clearly that there was real diversity of cultures because the viewer is introduced to the interactions between the Cheyenne, the Crow, the Arapahoe, the Kiowa; the Iron Confederacy of the Cree, Nakoda, and Saulteaux tribes, as well as the Blackfoot Confederacy of the Siksika, Kainai, Tsuut'ina, and Pamskapi Pikuni tribes. And the clash between the Mayans of Central America and the Aztec of Mexico was highlighted as well. Did you not watch the video?
@@dougmcqueen1861 o I must have missed the part where the European wars were super civilized and not violent. Like the commenter implied in the comment I'm RESPONDING TO!!!!
First things first, the Blackfoot is the loose term given to the three bands. We do not speak different languages, only have different clans. Siksika means Blackfoot, Kainaih means Many Chiefs (Blood is a nickname) and the Pikuni or Poor Robes only became northern and southern when the border was drawn between Canada and the US. Collectively we are called the Nitsitapi. We are one people in three bands. Sarcee were close alies, the Gros Ventre started as alies but by the time of the Battle of Belly River (Called Where We Slaughter Cree in Blackfoot) were enemies who had joined the Iron Confederacy in arms during the latter part of the Buffalo Wars. Mountain Chief was a band chief of the Pikuni (My hereditary band) not Siksika.
And there I was thinking that pre Columbian North America was Shangri-La with everyone gathered around singing Kumbaya and feeding cotton candy to their unicorns but then again, I attended University so I have an excuse.
When they say the Europeans stole this land, (North America) from the Natives, i have to ask, Who did the native tribes Steal it from? Every nation has been conquered from another. The broken treaties however, are a great dishonor.
My mom and aunt told me a story about this tribe trying to settle on our land and territory. So the men in our tribe chased them far away killing most of them too. This was in Canada probably 100 years ago, I should mention they spoke a different language and clearly had shamans among them. In my tribe Shamans are seen as evil and bring bad spirits
By the sounds of it, this happened before the Treaties were signed so it would have to be at least 150 years ago. Maybe even 200 years. What is the name of the tribes involved?
Wonderful episode. Thank you. If you ever go shopping for other intertribal battles there was a major conflict between the Cheyenne and the Sioux at a site now known as Massacre Canyon in south western Nebraska. There is information concerning the clash on the net.
Ironically many Indians see all white people as one unified tribe instead of a bunch of different families that eventually formed a government together.
Excellent and refreshing video. Good to hear objective reality being introduced into the narration of popular history and anthropology. About time. There's way too much politically biased history that either misrepresents, distorts or ignores empirical evidence for the purpose of promoting a specific ideology and agenda with a contemporary objective in mind.
Good to call out and dispel the myth of the noble savage. The Apache got messed by the Comanche, and in Canada we had the Huron messed by the Mohawk. In the PC times we live in, there is a lot of blame on the Europeans as the cause of the native woes... ignoring that the natives had their hands full with each other in ways (cannibalism, genocide, slavery..) the Europeans would associate with perhaps the Mongols. Iron age Europeans beating up on Stone age natives was inevitable.. made easier by the fact the natives did not respect each other and did not want to be a team making common front against the Europeans. That was the fatal flaw before and after the incomparable Tecumseh. To be fair this happened elsewhere.. else the British would not have been able to humiliate and rio off China, and the Arabs; the French the same to Vietnam and in parts of Africa; the Spanish most of the American continent etc. A sufficiently large technological gap plus local populations busy abusing each other made easy conquest over the centuries. The tragedy to the families of the affected at the hands of all enemies foreign and domestic.. unimaginable in its horror.
Interesting that we have to erase out Canadian past over nebulous accusations of slavery and racism while forgetting 1st nations also practiced slavery. Should totem poles be chainsawed?
Thanks to Texas! Grinnell quoted some older Cheyenne said, the warrior societies were the beginning of the destroy of this people, some young warriors with a death wish. Or kind of. Like the Tikal story, a bit like Europe in the early MiddleAges , you own what you can keep! Do it again folks! Best regards from Northern Germany Ludwig.
Yes that’s why it’s so annoying you should never take someone seriously if they say only the Europeans did that they’ve been doing it longer and more brutal than the Europeans and Africans
For perspective, the Battle of Tikal was about the time of the Birth of King Arthur. Anyway, if that is too legendary, it was about thirty years before Rome abandoned Britain.
Imperial Japan 🇯🇵 hurt many natives tribes people in Asia and Asian islands… They would have done the same or worse in continental USA if America was simply a open tribal native place.
The other part that when we talk about. Arrive Americans they leave out the part that many of these tribes were nomads. The Comanche used to live in Rockies …. The Sioux lived in Midwest. Blackfeet came from Maine…. Apache lived in Texas ….. they were all pushws or moved to better lands.
Listening to all these episodes again has made me realise how far you've come. Your narration style, audio quality , and sound mixing have all greatly improved. Thanks for providing these riveting stories in your politically neutral style.
I am of mixed ancestry with my largest DNA cluster being Yacatec Mayan. As I look at human history it's plain to see that people are people no matter their ethnicity or culture. Good and evil boils down to the choices of the individual. Societies that espouse love and tolerance tend to prosper. Those that easily spill blood and are selfish, tend to meet their demise
Shoot. That's a good point. Actually we'd agree with you, wish we had thought of that comparison during writing! Gaurantee we do our best though. Thanks for watching!
@@historyattheokcorral it’s all good, this channel is fire! I’m loving it so far. as someone who’s knowledge of many culture those two included you’ve got me hooked!
I love everything you make! My favorite German shepherd was named geronimo... aka "G-Mo"... I am looking for a better and deeper story about Geronimo.. aka "Goyahkla"..
The Amerindians of The CreeAnd Dene tribes had some of the messiest, meanest, roughest, toughest, bloodiest, dirtiest, muddiest, or distiest wars with The Eskimos-Aleuts to there North far before Western Europeans And even Eastern Europeans showed there faces yeah.
@@historyattheokcorral channels like yours bring me out of the doldrums I get stuck in. Too much politics and weirdness sends me back to history. Been an ACW freak for 20 years, so just now moving into other stuff, and this channel is so solid. Thanks man.
Thank you for these stories , ALL of them. Really appreciate the early American Indian warrior stories which shed light on actuall accounts. In 1972, I took a American History 1 college course. The text " Underside" gave the Indian side. Many stories such as these. Probably, banned by progressives.
Why would progressives ban education? That is so dumb to say as it is the conservatives doing the book banning as well as anti- DEI/CRT among other ideas.
Banned by progressives?? Most history classes in H.S and in college never touched on the true history of Anglo colonization, tribal warfare, or Westward expansion---
Interesting and informative. Excellent photography pictures 📷/drawings enabling viewers to better understand what/whom the orator was describing. The individual's whom resided in. North -central-south America. Were always having conflicts like else where on the planet. The introduction of Spanish 🐎horses enabled the tribes to become much more mobile.
Around the year 1680, Monsieur de LaSalle had gathered settlers from France and was travelling in three ships across the Gulf of Mexico hoping to arrive at New Orleans and found a French colony there. Well, the ships overshot their target by some four hundred miles and landed in Texas. All were lost without a trace and it would be interesting to know what tribe must have killed them.
You can just imagine what happened when they moved the different bands of Indians to a ‘reservation’ and called it a Confederation of Tribes in the 1800’s
Just like the Big Horn battle, Natives did kill each other in battle( they admit this in talks). When adrenaline, lust & crazed, maniacal urge takes over, a person does not see or take the time to think,especially when combat is close quarters.
It would seem that virtually all empires have been violent and cruel to those that they have subjugated for their own interests. Was not the short Zulu stabbing spear called an " ilkwa" rather than an " ithwik" as the narration mentioned?
I liked this video until the last chapter about the (cringe) "Mayan Empire." Everything in this part is utterly and completely wrong according to actual archaeology and not the ignorant misinterpretation based on very obsolete data that you cite. To begin with, "MAYAN" is NOT the name of the people. Period. End of story. Jeez, this misuse of the word is a pet peeve of mine and everybody with ANY actual knowledge whatsoever of the actual historical culture and its modern descendants. "MAYA" is the name of the people, both singular and plural. "MAYAN" is the the name of the language family they spoke and still speak, and also of the script they wrote it in back in the day. So there is no such word as "Mayans", because "Mayan" is the name of a language (actually a family of related languages) so has no plural. Thing of it in the same sense as "Germanic" or "Romance". The proper term for the people, both individually and as a whole, is "Maya". Second, the apparent agent of Teotihuacan who conquered Tikal was NOT named "Smoking Frog". His name was "Siaj K'ak", meaning "Fire is Born". The "Smoking Frog" moniker was from WAY back before any real decipherment of MAYAN script was done so folks were called after what the undeciphered glyphs in their names looked like to whoever 1st recorded them as historical figures. This, along with the names of many other figures from MAYA stelea have LONG SINCE been redacted in scholarly works as their name glyphs have been deciphered. Third, the jungle that now shrouds all of Maya territory DID NOT EXIST back in the Classic period, so the whole narrative about sneaking up on the city through the jungle is completely uninformed fantasy. The whole area was clear-cut for cornfields to feed the vast population there, and this population was spread out in countless small towns and villages between the major cities with all the big pyramids that were easily spotted and thus heavily excavated. But in the last few years, aerial LIDAR surveys have revealed just how densely populated the whole area was. Today's jungle is just the weeds that have grown up since the collapse of Classic MAYA civilization.
I believe Teo & Tikal were two seperate "communities' of Native Americans. Two different languages groups & two different ideas of warfare. Not both Mayan. Let's say Totonak ( central Mexican ?) v Mayan.
Have you heard of Strawberry Island in Northern Wisconsin Ten thousand Souix are dead there They came from Minnesota and the Chippewas said no you don't it's our land At the end of the battle 800 Chippewa were dead in comparison to 10000 Souix Now that's a game plan
😂 both sides suffered the same amount of losses, but yes the Ojibwe still won. You forgot to mention your French and English allies that helped your people expand. I wouldn't call a Pyrrhic victory a game plan, Ojibwe couldn't win without the French or British people. The British people even helped the Ojibwe defeat the Iroquois Confederacy.
No were not. Natives tribes give each other descriptive names to identify them. “Blackfoot” was a name given to 1/4 bands that make up the Niitsitapi. Because all 4 bands of the Niitsitapi look the same and have same teachings, “Blackfoot” was a term to give to all 4 bands. The southern band of the Niitsitapi (Piikani) have two tribes - North Piikani in Canada and South Piikani in the USA. The South Piikani was called “Blackfeet” by the US Government, when in reality, they were called “small robes” or “poor robes” by the other tribes.
If you don’t want to read all that I’ll simplify it; 4 bands make up Niitsitapi 1) Siksika = Blackfoot (Northern Alberta & Saskatchewan) 2) Kainaiwa = Many Chiefs also known as the Blood Tribe (Central Alberta & Saskatchewan) 3) North Piikani = “Small Robes” “Poot Robes” or “Scabby Robes” (Southern Alberta & Montana) 4) South Piikani = “Small Robes” “Poor Robes” or “Scabby Robes” (Montana) commonly referred to as “Blackfeet” by US Government because we all look alike.
Horses went wild like 300+ years prior to America’s discovery. It was from European Spanish in Mexico. The natives of US figured out how to use them from Mexicans who learned from Spanish. Ect ect
@@karamlevi America was discovered by Leif Erickson not Columbus so Idk how accurate that date is relative to European discovery. Sounds to me like the Vikings could have brought them, and they were great handlers of sheep so Idk how horses would be any different - they used them and spread them throughout Europe. I'd wager they brought them first.
@@maskcollector6949I have never read in my studies that the Vikings brought horses with them into Canada, Nova Scotia, etc, but that doesn't mean they didn't-- The woodland tribes of the Midwest never had horses during the Archaic, or Mississippian period-- They walked, ran, or paddled everywhere they travelled---
This video lost me in the first minute - the Dog soldiers and Crooked lances were two seperate societies. The Northern Cheyenne Elk Horn Scrapers were considered to be the equivelant of the Southern Cheyenne Crooked Lances. There was one famour Northern Cheyenne warrior of the Elk Horn Scrapers, named Woqini or Hooked Nose, who rode with the Dog Soldiers (a Southern Cheyenne society) . Given that the Crow lived in similar territory to the Northern Cheyenne, would it not be more likely that this band of Cheyenne were Northern Cheyenne.? To add to the confusion there was also a Cheyenne Society of the Northern Cheyenne who went by the name of The Crazy Dogs - not related to the Southern Cheyenne Dog Soldiers who were a breakaway group. Therefore, this fight was most likely a fight between the Crow and a agroup of Northern Cheyenne Crazy Dogs.
@@historyattheokcorralIs that all you can say? No counter argument? I have researched the Cheyenne Warrior Societies extensively but if you think I am wrong, you must give me your sources and proof. Elk Warriors Society also known as Elk Horn Scrapers (Hémo'eoxeso),[4] Bone Scraper Society, Hoof Rattle, Crooked Lance, Headed Lance, Blue Soldiers or Medicine Lance.[5][6] This society is found among both the Northern and the Southern Cheyenne. This was the society of the famous warrior Roman Nose, and also of the mixed-race Cheyenne George Bent. Bowstring Men (Hema'tanónėheo'o, pl. Héma'tanóohese - ′Bowstrings, Lit: those who have bowstrings′),[3] also known as the Owl Man's Bowstring, because it was founded by the Cheyenne warrior named Owl Man. This society was originally found in both the Northern and the Southern Cheyenne. Today it is only among the Southern Cheyenne[8] under the alternate name Wolf Warriors Society (Ho'néhenótâxeo'o) [3] for the Bowstring Men. The Crazy Dog Society developed out of the Bowstring Men in the 19th century through a vision given to Owl Friend.[8] Among the Northern Cheyenne, the Wolf Warriors gradually adopted the name Crazy Dogs (Hotamémâsêhao'o). Both groups - the Wolf Warriors Society (Southern Cheyenne) and the Crazy Dogs (Northern Cheyenne) - considered themselves constituents of the same organization originally called Bowstring Men. In the Northern Cheyenne tribe, both the Crazy Dogs and the Bowstrings or Wolf Warriors exist independently. Fifth society Dog Warrior Society (Hotamétaneo'o),[3] also known as Dog Men. This society was also called Dog Soldiers by the whites. The Dog Warrior Society was established by a directive given in a visionary dream after the prophet Sweet Medicine's departure. This society was originally found in both the Northern and the Southern Cheyenne. Today it exists only among the Southern Cheyenne.[8] Crazy Dogs (Hotamémâsêhao'o),[3] also known as Foolish Dogs. This society is similar to the Bowstring Men in function, but is found only among the Northern Cheyenne. Among the Northern Cheyenne, Dog Warrior Society and Wolf Warriors merged. This resulted in the development of new Dog Warriors, now called the Crazy Dogs. The Crazy Dogs are considered by many to be a sixth society instead of a branch of the fifth society.[8] "The...members imitate the coyote in their power of endurance, cunning and activity. They outstrip their fellow tribesmen in running long distances, playing games, etc. There are about 150 warriors in the society, and a head chief" (Dorsey, 1905, Vol. I: 19).
@@historyattheokcorral So I just saw that you deleted my reply to yours - just saying 'false' and not mounting a counter argument totally devalues your authenticity - in other words, you are full of it.
Are you sure you are talking about the Mayans 🤔🤔🤔....sounds to me more like Aztec behavior and rituals yet you refer to them as "Mayans" ....and Aztecs were located in modern day central Mexico ....(Mexico City)....mayan empire was more central and south America
Sorry, man, but that whole Maya obsession with blood is a little much. The Comanche, for example, were brutal, but their artwork didn't concentrate on skulls and depictions of torture and they didn't bathe in blood or skin people and then wear their hides...
How do you know? The Comanche where known to use fingers a jewelry, the culture surrounding the Mayans and Aztecs where surrounded by blood and death, just because you can’t handle this doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said…
I am a Rosebud Sioux Indian and this is a great video. The dog soldier would tie themselves down and defend the area that they were in!
One of my favorite things is listening to people today judging people of the past. If we could transport these people back 150 years, there would be a lot of change in the way they think. Although I don’t think most people born today, could even survive in the Unsettled west
I don't care about if they judge them based on todays morals i care if they lie saying the natives were peaceful and lived in harmony
I don't know of any indigenous tribe that is peace....Except maybe some of those Amazonian little ppl....It is not THe Norm, We are Clanish and Voilent. EVEN TO OUR OWN!
They probably couldn't survive the settled West 100 years ago either.
this seems to really bother a lot of you, as it’s always the main topic point any time someone talks about natives. Where did you find information that natives were calling themselves peaceful? Were there peaceful tribes, yes. But most were hunter/gatherers, and most warlike. Like he states in the video “the noble Indian is romanticized” by white people.
Anyone who has done much reading knows that intertribal fighting was a way of life for all Natives. It was just as vicious & more frequent than any fighting done between Natives & Whites. It was just a way of life..constant. The life of the a Native was a daily struggle between starvation & fighting.
Why do ppl think natives all were the same. Your bunching peoples who spaned two continents as all. Some tribes were more aggressive than others and had very different cultures than others.. many tribes were in all types of environments. it's like saying nazis in ww2 were European therefore all Europeans were nazis.. quit bunch all of us together..
@@donnagant6575 Same reason people think all white people are the same, it's just sweeping generalizations. But in general there were wars between tribes, despite some being peaceful. If you couldn't defend your land, you lost it, point blank. Remoteness protected some tribes but eventually came into contact with others who were violent. Nothing different in Europe, it was the same everywhere across the world. Nature pretty well decided whoever is the strongest lives a long long longggg time ago.
Wait...... are you saying that native Americans didn't live in peace and harmony with everyone and everything around them?
I seriously watched like 5 of your videos in a row. Thank you for sending me down this rabbit hole. Your content is amazing.
These stories go against everything I was taught about Native Americans in 70s. Learning never stops, does it?
That was propaganda. You were propagandized, not educated. We _ALL_ were.
Yep
The only country to give their conquered enemies more rights than their own citizens...
Kum ba yaaaeeeeaarrrrgrhhhh!
Tbh my respect for native Americans has grown from learning their real histories.they are people just like everyone else with flaws and virtues
Can't imagine the war songs my ancestors heard and sung in the past on the Great Plains and Plateaus of Mexico.
Thoroughly depressing, but I still love it.
Save your judgement
Many of the tribes war against other tribes were extremely vicious and bloody.
Their lack of the combined minds needed to develop technologically was due to their habit of wiping out those they've defeated in battle instead of insubjecating them as was done in most Eurasion regions.
The Zulu when the British discovered them were at the technological level that the Britons were at when the Romans discovered them because they at least could unite with other tribes long enough to figure out how to smith steel.
And I guess European wars were freaking tea parties.. "plains indian" wars (didn't know if you knew this but natives were not just apaches and comanches)
Battles and wars usually are.
@@donnagant6575 Anybody who watched this video would understand pretty clearly that there was real diversity of cultures because the viewer is introduced to the interactions between the Cheyenne, the Crow, the Arapahoe, the Kiowa; the Iron Confederacy of the Cree, Nakoda, and Saulteaux tribes, as well as the Blackfoot Confederacy of the Siksika, Kainai, Tsuut'ina, and Pamskapi Pikuni tribes. And the clash between the Mayans of Central America and the Aztec of Mexico was highlighted as well. Did you not watch the video?
@@dougmcqueen1861 o I must have missed the part where the European wars were super civilized and not violent. Like the commenter implied in the comment I'm RESPONDING TO!!!!
Now, this I can respect.
Truth is always better than fiction.
A sad basis of stories to tell. But any day HOKC releases a video, is a good day
First things first, the Blackfoot is the loose term given to the three bands. We do not speak different languages, only have different clans. Siksika means Blackfoot, Kainaih means Many Chiefs (Blood is a nickname) and the Pikuni or Poor Robes only became northern and southern when the border was drawn between Canada and the US. Collectively we are called the Nitsitapi. We are one people in three bands.
Sarcee were close alies, the Gros Ventre started as alies but by the time of the Battle of Belly River (Called Where We Slaughter Cree in Blackfoot) were enemies who had joined the Iron Confederacy in arms during the latter part of the Buffalo Wars.
Mountain Chief was a band chief of the Pikuni (My hereditary band) not Siksika.
Sun sets in east lol
Live pretty close to the three forks. A bit north west of there.
@@Thattracksuit Three forks in CA? I only ask because there is also one in southern MT
@@bigthunderjohnson7595 I’m about 40 miles west ish of three forks Montana. Are you in Montana?
@@Thattracksuit just south of the Blackfeet rez.
My old gamma always said, "Smoking Frogs will only lead to heartache."
And there I was thinking that pre Columbian North America was Shangri-La with everyone gathered around singing Kumbaya and feeding cotton candy to their unicorns but then again, I attended University so I have an excuse.
Thank you 💛 for covering this. I appreciate your excellent work.
When they say the Europeans stole this land, (North America) from the Natives, i have to ask, Who did the native tribes Steal it from? Every nation has been conquered from another. The broken treaties however, are a great dishonor.
Thank you for these stories. This one I feel is one of the best ones you have covered so far. Cheers, and please keep them coming 🙂.
My mom and aunt told me a story about this tribe trying to settle on our land and territory. So the men in our tribe chased them far away killing most of them too. This was in Canada probably 100 years ago, I should mention they spoke a different language and clearly had shamans among them. In my tribe Shamans are seen as evil and bring bad spirits
By the sounds of it, this happened before the Treaties were signed so it would have to be at least 150 years ago. Maybe even 200 years. What is the name of the tribes involved?
Wonderful episode. Thank you. If you ever go shopping for other intertribal battles there was a major conflict between the Cheyenne and the Sioux at a site now known as Massacre Canyon in south western Nebraska. There is information concerning the clash on the net.
Fantastic work as always HOKC!
These are amazing stories
You truly have mastered the art of story telling..... Horrific but brilliantly narrated. Thank you .
Just like the Celts, lots of Clan fighting till you can come together and fight a bigger threat!
Ironically many Indians see all white people as one unified tribe instead of a bunch of different families that eventually formed a government together.
Excellent and refreshing video. Good to hear objective reality being introduced into the narration of popular history and anthropology. About time. There's way too much politically biased history that either misrepresents, distorts or ignores empirical evidence for the purpose of promoting a specific ideology and agenda with a contemporary objective in mind.
My grandfather farmed a valley disputed by Santee Lakota and Chippewa. Uncovered arrowheads almost every spring and a stone axe once
Captivating stories. Keep them coming, please.
Thanks for this
Good to call out and dispel the myth of the noble savage. The Apache got messed by the Comanche, and in Canada we had the Huron messed by the Mohawk. In the PC times we live in, there is a lot of blame on the Europeans as the cause of the native woes... ignoring that the natives had their hands full with each other in ways (cannibalism, genocide, slavery..) the Europeans would associate with perhaps the Mongols. Iron age Europeans beating up on Stone age natives was inevitable.. made easier by the fact the natives did not respect each other and did not want to be a team making common front against the Europeans. That was the fatal flaw before and after the incomparable Tecumseh. To be fair this happened elsewhere.. else the British would not have been able to humiliate and rio off China, and the Arabs; the French the same to Vietnam and in parts of Africa; the Spanish most of the American continent etc. A sufficiently large technological gap plus local populations busy abusing each other made easy conquest over the centuries. The tragedy to the families of the affected at the hands of all enemies foreign and domestic.. unimaginable in its horror.
Very well put
Actually Caucasians are the Nazis in that sense.
Also there are 9 Apache Nations today.
Indigenous Nations are taking the Lands back
-COMANCHE NATION
The Haida too, they liked to rampage, and they may be Polynesian settlers, separate from the Bering strait crossers.
Interesting that we have to erase out Canadian past over nebulous accusations of slavery and racism while forgetting 1st nations also practiced slavery. Should totem poles be chainsawed?
All empires are built on the bones of others and if you dispute that, those bones would beg to differ had they the ability to do so.
There's a snake in my boots -woody
-COMANCHE NATION
Wow, just wow how perspicacious 😂😅😂
When the white man came, we took the Indians land who took it from another Indian, who took it from another Indian and so on.,..
This is just humans doing human things. Scary creature.
Thanks to Texas! Grinnell quoted some older Cheyenne said, the warrior societies were the beginning of the destroy of this people, some young warriors with a death wish. Or kind of. Like the Tikal story, a bit like Europe in the early MiddleAges , you own what you can keep! Do it again folks! Best regards from Northern Germany Ludwig.
Considering Caucasians are the American nazis
-COMANCHE NATION
It is always a treat to see there's a new video to enjoy.
So the Indians killed the Indians and took the Indians' land?
Yes that’s why it’s so annoying you should never take someone seriously if they say only the Europeans did that they’ve been doing it longer and more brutal than the Europeans and Africans
For perspective, the Battle of Tikal was about the time of the Birth of King Arthur. Anyway, if that is too legendary, it was about thirty years before Rome abandoned Britain.
Man, that was a tough time to be alive.
Only if your Gay!
Can't help but think if they hadn't killed each other, what a world would be like now.
The same a pan Indian nation would never work just like a pan African or pan European nation too much conflicting cultural beliefs and values
Imperial Japan 🇯🇵 hurt many natives tribes people in Asia and Asian islands…
They would have done the same or worse in continental USA if America was simply a open tribal native place.
Great topic!!
The other part that when we talk about. Arrive Americans they leave out the part that many of these tribes were nomads. The Comanche used to live in Rockies …. The Sioux lived in Midwest. Blackfeet came from Maine…. Apache lived in Texas ….. they were all pushws or moved to better lands.
Listening to all these episodes again has made me realise how far you've come. Your narration style, audio quality , and sound mixing have all greatly improved. Thanks for providing these riveting stories in your politically neutral style.
Wow, thank you so much! That means the world to us. We are going to keep improving, we really enjoy doing this!
You can't be a warrior if you don't have someone to fight.
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It only takes one side to start a war, too. Find a weaker group, there you have an enemy.
Once again good work my friend still waiting for more on Alaska vs Russia
Aahh-- The Tlingets, and Aleuts among others sent the Russians packing in the 19th century---
I am of mixed ancestry with my largest DNA cluster being Yacatec Mayan. As I look at human history it's plain to see that people are people no matter their ethnicity or culture. Good and evil boils down to the choices of the individual. Societies that espouse love and tolerance tend to prosper. Those that easily spill blood and are selfish, tend to meet their demise
You should look into cultural geography, how geography shapes cultures.
Ummmm, no.
Nice little nugget of wisdom
I'm mixed, too. Part Chihuahua part Sea of Cortez.
@@ddz1375 Your incredibly articulate and well-thought-out reply has convinced me to change my mind.
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Eyyyy! Cleveland in the House!
Rust belt represent lol
Buffalo here! Go Bills!
@@HistoricallyRomantic rust belt repping... I like that... side note I'm a die hard bengals fan... big game sun night brother... should be a good one
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Why does everyone act like the noble savage was ever true!? Europeans were the same way before the empires subjugated them!
Facts and so was Japan
The dog warriors where less of Spartans and more of samurai
Shoot. That's a good point. Actually we'd agree with you, wish we had thought of that comparison during writing! Gaurantee we do our best though. Thanks for watching!
@@historyattheokcorral it’s all good, this channel is fire! I’m loving it so far. as someone who’s knowledge of many culture those two included you’ve got me hooked!
Incredible stuff
Love your channel
I love everything you make! My favorite German shepherd was named geronimo... aka "G-Mo"...
I am looking for a better and deeper story about Geronimo.. aka
"Goyahkla"..
I always wondered where u got the background music 🤔
Another great video sir 👏
Damn good stuff.
The Amerindians of The CreeAnd Dene tribes had some of the messiest, meanest, roughest, toughest, bloodiest, dirtiest, muddiest, or distiest wars with The Eskimos-Aleuts to there North far before Western Europeans And even Eastern Europeans showed there faces yeah.
Never pass on deadly visions, why would they be there in the first place?
Today we have thy WHO 🤗
Imagine taking a young successful plains warrior and dropping him in the octogon with Alex Pereira or Gathge. Time machines n shit.
There actually an episode coming soon on an old-west style UFC the Comanche used to hold.
@@historyattheokcorral channels like yours bring me out of the doldrums I get stuck in. Too much politics and weirdness sends me back to history. Been an ACW freak for 20 years, so just now moving into other stuff, and this channel is so solid. Thanks man.
In the 1600s...the Cherokee came to Tennessee from the Great Lakes...and slaughtered every tribe here.
and took Tennessee.
I'm Cherokee and proud of my heritage !!! 💯 True American 🇺🇸💯. !!!
Thank you for these stories , ALL of them. Really appreciate the early American Indian warrior stories which shed light on actuall accounts. In 1972, I took a American History 1 college course. The text " Underside" gave the Indian side. Many stories such as these. Probably, banned by progressives.
Why would progressives ban education? That is so dumb to say as it is the conservatives doing the book banning as well as anti- DEI/CRT among other ideas.
Banned by progressives?? Most history classes in H.S and in college never touched on the true history of Anglo colonization, tribal warfare, or Westward expansion---
so we did'nt steal their land we fought really hard for it
Interesting and informative. Excellent photography pictures 📷/drawings enabling viewers to better understand what/whom the orator was describing. The individual's whom resided in. North -central-south America. Were always having conflicts like else where on the planet. The introduction of Spanish 🐎horses enabled the tribes to become much more mobile.
Leftists would have you believe Indians (feather) never hurt a fly. Warriors don't wear bonnets.
The indigenous people that represent them say the same shit they are embarrassed by something deeply rooted in everyone’s culture
Hit da like button,
Western lovers 💯🤙🏻😎
I do BEFORE I watch the video
Gros Ventre is pronounced Gro-Von.......big bellies in French.
Atsina is the tribal name.
Let me know when you get to the inner tribal battles
Beautiful customs and traditions, and it is seems that is again in raising in states.
A wonderful narrative of terrible events that may enlighten us about early human cultures.
Good stories
Around the year 1680, Monsieur de LaSalle had gathered settlers from France and was travelling in three ships across the Gulf of Mexico hoping to arrive at New Orleans and found a French colony there. Well, the ships overshot their target by some four hundred miles and landed in Texas. All were lost without a trace and it would be interesting to know what tribe must have killed them.
the "professinal victim" - business model will be history soon.
I dought it was Lipan Apaches. It was more likely Kiowa-Apache which is now called Apache tribe of Oklahoma. They usually stuck close with the Kiowas.
Wait a moment. I thought ALL native people got along until the mean old 'round eye' came along? lol
The aztecs didn't speak out enough?
Generally the us army didn't engage until they had 3x asmany mem and equal weapons. So there is that
@@jhorsechief Never go in on a "fair fight."
Always (when able) carry more of what you need, or expect your enemies to have.
OooooRah
The bowstring society boys couldnt put one arrow, in little kenny kiowa ?
You’ve made a video about the Little Bighorn correct?
Yes, one! We will be making more and then an entire documentary as well.
@@historyattheokcorral boom! Thanks! Love your videos by the way
I wonder how you get named Smoking Frog
You can just imagine what happened when they moved the different bands of Indians to a ‘reservation’ and called it a Confederation of Tribes in the 1800’s
They completely brutalize dead bodies.
So, in some of these fights, how did they know who was who in the chaos
different styles of dress, war paint, etc. plus they recognized their tribe members faces, horses, etc.
@@chrishayes5755 interesting, ya guess so if these skirmishes were 30 or less lol 👌🏻
Just like the Big Horn battle, Natives did kill each other in battle( they admit this in talks). When adrenaline, lust & crazed, maniacal urge takes over, a person does not see or take the time to think,especially when combat is close quarters.
@@shirleybalinski4535look at what happened to bloody knife and the other native scouts that fought for Custer and Reno
@@shirleybalinski4535 I guess that’s why we wear uniforms or dress in a manner that distinguishes us from the enemy.
It would seem that virtually all empires have been violent and cruel to those that they have subjugated for their own interests.
Was not the short Zulu stabbing spear called an " ilkwa" rather than an " ithwik" as the narration mentioned?
Where did the name Blackfoot come from since it's an English word?
It comes from "Siksiká" which means black (sik) and foot (siká).
@@henry-thepizzaeater-morgan704 So what did the Blackfoot call themselves Siksika?
The Absarokee were in control of what is now Montana. Horse 🐴🐴🐴🐎🐎🐎 breeders until the Sicangu and others invade their territory.
I didn't know the North American plains had antelope
Indeed they do, although whether or not they are in fact true antelope is debated among biologists.
Antelope were reportedly present all the way to the Great Lakes---
Pronounced Bih-Guh-nee. The P makes a B sound and the k makes a g sound.
Amska-Pi-Pikunii
Southern Piegan
I liked this video until the last chapter about the (cringe) "Mayan Empire." Everything in this part is utterly and completely wrong according to actual archaeology and not the ignorant misinterpretation based on very obsolete data that you cite.
To begin with, "MAYAN" is NOT the name of the people. Period. End of story. Jeez, this misuse of the word is a pet peeve of mine and everybody with ANY actual knowledge whatsoever of the actual historical culture and its modern descendants. "MAYA" is the name of the people, both singular and plural. "MAYAN" is the the name of the language family they spoke and still speak, and also of the script they wrote it in back in the day. So there is no such word as "Mayans", because "Mayan" is the name of a language (actually a family of related languages) so has no plural. Thing of it in the same sense as "Germanic" or "Romance". The proper term for the people, both individually and as a whole, is "Maya".
Second, the apparent agent of Teotihuacan who conquered Tikal was NOT named "Smoking Frog". His name was "Siaj K'ak", meaning "Fire is Born". The "Smoking Frog" moniker was from WAY back before any real decipherment of MAYAN script was done so folks were called after what the undeciphered glyphs in their names looked like to whoever 1st recorded them as historical figures. This, along with the names of many other figures from MAYA stelea have LONG SINCE been redacted in scholarly works as their name glyphs have been deciphered.
Third, the jungle that now shrouds all of Maya territory DID NOT EXIST back in the Classic period, so the whole narrative about sneaking up on the city through the jungle is completely uninformed fantasy. The whole area was clear-cut for cornfields to feed the vast population there, and this population was spread out in countless small towns and villages between the major cities with all the big pyramids that were easily spotted and thus heavily excavated. But in the last few years, aerial LIDAR surveys have revealed just how densely populated the whole area was. Today's jungle is just the weeds that have grown up since the collapse of Classic MAYA civilization.
Thank you for this informative essay. It is helpful to clarify the older but inaccurate accounts.
I love how many people are citing their family history in the comment section like they're part of any of this lmao
Mother Nature..
I believe Teo & Tikal were two seperate "communities' of Native Americans. Two different languages groups & two different ideas of warfare. Not both Mayan. Let's say Totonak ( central Mexican ?) v Mayan.
Have you heard of Strawberry Island in Northern Wisconsin Ten thousand Souix are dead there They came from Minnesota and the Chippewas said no you don't it's our land At the end of the battle 800 Chippewa were dead in comparison to 10000 Souix Now that's a game plan
😂 both sides suffered the same amount of losses, but yes the Ojibwe still won. You forgot to mention your French and English allies that helped your people expand. I wouldn't call a Pyrrhic victory a game plan, Ojibwe couldn't win without the French or British people. The British people even helped the Ojibwe defeat the Iroquois Confederacy.
The Ojibwe signed at least 100 treaties by the time the 1800's came.
16:54 what has the royal family got anything to do with native Americans considering their in too different countries??
The inbreeding makes the Royals look weird
@@jhorsechief the Royals have always been weird dude they were friends with Jimmy Savile who was a absolute freak
Saskatchewan is not in Alberta.
Cheers to Lodge Grass and Lame Deer. Crazy fools.
I think they are called Blackfeet rather than Blackfoot.
No were not. Natives tribes give each other descriptive names to identify them. “Blackfoot” was a name given to 1/4 bands that make up the Niitsitapi. Because all 4 bands of the Niitsitapi look the same and have same teachings, “Blackfoot” was a term to give to all 4 bands. The southern band of the Niitsitapi (Piikani) have two tribes - North Piikani in Canada and South Piikani in the USA. The South Piikani was called “Blackfeet” by the US Government, when in reality, they were called “small robes” or “poor robes” by the other tribes.
If you don’t want to read all that I’ll simplify it;
4 bands make up Niitsitapi
1) Siksika = Blackfoot (Northern Alberta & Saskatchewan)
2) Kainaiwa = Many Chiefs also known as the Blood Tribe (Central Alberta & Saskatchewan)
3) North Piikani = “Small Robes” “Poot Robes” or “Scabby Robes” (Southern Alberta & Montana)
4) South Piikani = “Small Robes” “Poor Robes” or “Scabby Robes” (Montana) commonly referred to as “Blackfeet” by US Government because we all look alike.
Wait. Horses came from the Spanish. They are not indigenous to the Americas. So this doesn’t go back too far.
Technically ancient horses did exist in the Americas but went extinct ten thousand years ago. The Spanish reintroduced horses into the americas
Horses went wild like 300+ years prior to America’s discovery.
It was from European Spanish in Mexico. The natives of US figured out how to use them from Mexicans who learned from Spanish. Ect ect
@@karamlevi America was discovered by Leif Erickson not Columbus so Idk how accurate that date is relative to European discovery. Sounds to me like the Vikings could have brought them, and they were great handlers of sheep so Idk how horses would be any different - they used them and spread them throughout Europe. I'd wager they brought them first.
@@maskcollector6949I have never read in my studies that the Vikings brought horses with them into Canada, Nova Scotia, etc, but that doesn't mean they didn't-- The woodland tribes of the Midwest never had horses during the Archaic, or Mississippian period-- They walked, ran, or paddled everywhere they travelled---
No wonder the mayan went extinct
Maya’s are the second largest ethnic group in Mexico despite how hard the Mexicans and Spaniards tried
The terminology you're looking for is oral tradition.
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Instead of going with the Noble Savage narrative, we could teach these stories instead, to show that history isn't black and white.
This video lost me in the first minute - the Dog soldiers and Crooked lances were two seperate societies. The Northern Cheyenne Elk Horn Scrapers were considered to be the equivelant of the Southern Cheyenne Crooked Lances. There was one famour Northern Cheyenne warrior of the Elk Horn Scrapers, named Woqini or Hooked Nose, who rode with the Dog Soldiers (a Southern Cheyenne society) . Given that the Crow lived in similar territory to the Northern Cheyenne, would it not be more likely that this band of Cheyenne were Northern Cheyenne.? To add to the confusion there was also a Cheyenne Society of the Northern Cheyenne who went by the name of The Crazy Dogs - not related to the Southern Cheyenne Dog Soldiers who were a breakaway group. Therefore, this fight was most likely a fight between the Crow and a agroup of Northern Cheyenne Crazy Dogs.
False.
@@historyattheokcorralIs that all you can say? No counter argument? I have researched the Cheyenne Warrior Societies extensively but if you think I am wrong, you must give me your sources and proof.
Elk Warriors Society also known as Elk Horn Scrapers (Hémo'eoxeso),[4] Bone Scraper Society, Hoof Rattle, Crooked Lance, Headed Lance, Blue Soldiers or Medicine Lance.[5][6] This society is found among both the Northern and the Southern Cheyenne. This was the society of the famous warrior Roman Nose, and also of the mixed-race Cheyenne George Bent.
Bowstring Men (Hema'tanónėheo'o, pl. Héma'tanóohese - ′Bowstrings, Lit: those who have bowstrings′),[3] also known as the Owl Man's Bowstring, because it was founded by the Cheyenne warrior named Owl Man. This society was originally found in both the Northern and the Southern Cheyenne. Today it is only among the Southern Cheyenne[8] under the alternate name Wolf Warriors Society (Ho'néhenótâxeo'o) [3] for the Bowstring Men. The Crazy Dog Society developed out of the Bowstring Men in the 19th century through a vision given to Owl Friend.[8] Among the Northern Cheyenne, the Wolf Warriors gradually adopted the name Crazy Dogs (Hotamémâsêhao'o). Both groups - the Wolf Warriors Society (Southern Cheyenne) and the Crazy Dogs (Northern Cheyenne) - considered themselves constituents of the same organization originally called Bowstring Men. In the Northern Cheyenne tribe, both the Crazy Dogs and the Bowstrings or Wolf Warriors exist independently.
Fifth society
Dog Warrior Society (Hotamétaneo'o),[3] also known as Dog Men. This society was also called Dog Soldiers by the whites. The Dog Warrior Society was established by a directive given in a visionary dream after the prophet Sweet Medicine's departure. This society was originally found in both the Northern and the Southern Cheyenne. Today it exists only among the Southern Cheyenne.[8]
Crazy Dogs (Hotamémâsêhao'o),[3] also known as Foolish Dogs. This society is similar to the Bowstring Men in function, but is found only among the Northern Cheyenne. Among the Northern Cheyenne, Dog Warrior Society and Wolf Warriors merged. This resulted in the development of new Dog Warriors, now called the Crazy Dogs. The Crazy Dogs are considered by many to be a sixth society instead of a branch of the fifth society.[8] "The...members imitate the coyote in their power of endurance, cunning and activity. They outstrip their fellow tribesmen in running long distances, playing games, etc. There are about 150 warriors in the society, and a head chief" (Dorsey, 1905, Vol. I: 19).
@@historyattheokcorral So I just saw that you deleted my reply to yours - just saying 'false' and not mounting a counter argument totally devalues your authenticity - in other words, you are full of it.
Are you sure you are talking about the Mayans 🤔🤔🤔....sounds to me more like Aztec behavior and rituals yet you refer to them as "Mayans" ....and Aztecs were located in modern day central Mexico ....(Mexico City)....mayan empire was more central and south America
Can't hear a damn thing you're saying you got to whisper so I guess you don't want to put on the show so I guess I'll go watch something else
Turn your hearing aids up.
Sorry, man, but that whole Maya obsession with blood is a little much. The Comanche, for example, were brutal, but their artwork didn't concentrate on skulls and depictions of torture and they didn't bathe in blood or skin people and then wear their hides...
How do you know? The Comanche where known to use fingers a jewelry, the culture surrounding the Mayans and Aztecs where surrounded by blood and death, just because you can’t handle this doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be said…
There's a lot more stories of Comanche's being wild and violent than anything else.