Jeff Turner vs. The Comanche : The Full Story Of Jeff Turner, The Indian Hater (All Parts)
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- In the bloody and brutal history of Texas, few figures are as fascinating, enigmatic, and bone-chilling as that of Jeff Turner, The Indian Hater. His one man campaign of violence and vengeance against the Comanche who killed his family is the stuff of Texas history legend.
In this special bonus video, we have assembled the full three-part saga of Jeff Turner’s tragic life, and mysterious demise.
Don’t miss the full story of this Texas anti-hero, told here in its entirety.
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Part 1
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Part 2
The Adventures of Bigfoot Wallace a.co/d/fKjIOhL
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Part 3
“Between The Comanche & The Rattlesnake” by Frank J. Dobie. Southwest Review Vol. 40, No. 1 (WINTER 1955), pp. 14-25 (12 pages). www.jstor.org/... .
“The Adventures of Bigfoot Wallace, The Texas Ranger and Hunter”. By John C. Duval. a.co/d/6Hh7eWR.
One of my ancestors on my father's side was in her cabin in East Texas in 1863 with her two children. Her husband had gone to look at a horse he was interested in buying and had taken their only firearm. A band of Comanches attacked the cabin, trying to get inside. She killed two and severely wounded one with an axe and was challenging the others to come get some too when they decided to retreat. They came back later, but she had already taken the kids and fled to the nearest neighbor's place. If not for her courage, I would not be here.
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That’s the literal definition of what mom means when she says “I brought you into this world, I can take you out”
Respect to that woman’s courage and determination 🤝
amazing story... I'm in awe so many historical events took place in the old west like this ...
I can only imagine the pride that fills your family. Keep-on keepin’ on
When dad gets home, “ we need a second rifle” might’ve been on the docket
Living in Central Texas west of San Antonio, this history happened in my back yard. these stories seem so real and vivid, because of the narration and writing. this channel is truly a gift. thank you.
Thank you!
I do not see how Jeff Turner's final years can be characterized or dismissed as a noxious cycle of violence and anger. I fail to see how his life would have been more redeeming had he buried his murdered wife & three sons & then moved on to remarry & start a new family. In my way of thinking as a man Jeff Turner had a debt of honor to avenge the blood of his wife & three sons. His duty was non-negotiable. Had he turned the other cheek, so to speak, he would have been a lesser man. I'm a retired soldier. My heritage is Scottish Highlands. My father's ancestors crossed the pond in 1619. Books written in the 1800s on my kin joke that no male family member ever died of natural causes. I'm proud of that. Men are expendable when it comes to leading, protecting & providing for our kin. It sickens me as a Texan to see how effeminate & harmless most American males have become. A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who keeps it under control until it's time to get out of control. God bless Jeff Turner. My family arrived in Texas in 1829 & we married into a Turner family. No idea if it was the same branch of Turners. But the Turner family we married into was of feudal stock so it's possible. Turning the other cheek doesn't apply outside the family tree. Revenge is not only righteous, it is a moral duty to set the record straight & even the score.
This is the way.
so cool....
a murderous racist story.
I respect the comanches more
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they needed AR15s. 😐
Well said
I was enthralled by this particular story. That of the legendary Jeff Turner. Truly a man who after the killing of his entire family. Spent his remaining life on the war path of the Commanche. The way you told his tale. It kept me spellbound and I truly found Jeff Turners story fascinating. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
They shouldn't of been on Comanche land.
@@youtubeuser7798 Comanche's shouldn't have messed with a higher civilization, where's their power now huh 😆
It’s amazing that so many families would make the arduous and dangerous journey to Texas knowing what might happen. Guts!!
You seem to think some of our families had a better choice.
Especially when you had politicians that could sell you a piece of hell, that you would kick the door down to get there. @daviddawson1718
You had to do what you had to do back then. If the city was slowly killing you with ridiculously high cost of living, you just packed up and left, even if it meant walking the whole trip with nothing but the cloths on your back. People today are just spoiled.
Or greed
All these stories about the fierce Comanche tribes make the argument weak in the face of the Mexican decendants who want to reclaim a land they couldn't colonize in the 1st place. That's why they gave it to the original Texans. Amazing bravery for those who chose to homestead in the truly wild west frontier. 😔
Don't worry, a lot of them stayed and now they are just americans.
Some stayed ,but mostly just came back when it looked safe. Sensible
One of the best western channels on CZcams, hands down.
Wow, thanks!
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I like it. What are some other good ones to watch?
I am part Apache. We FOUGHT the Comanche DOZENS of times. After they stole enough horses, they raided all the other tribes around them. We spend so much of our time fighting them. Whole subtribes were WIRPED OUT by them.
Weren't the Comanches notorious for their brutality? I am just learning about this. It's fascinating.
I loved the long format and detail of the story, I hope you do more in depth biographies!
Oh yeah agreed 💯
That's the plan!
People from all cultures are just flat out dangerous, violent, and cruel. The fact that any specific group tries to play the victim card is absolutely ridiculous. Survival on the planet earth is brutal period.
Agreed. All one needs to do is spend time with Kindergarten-aged children to see along with the innocence is a glance of savagery.
Re: brothers taken by Geronimo(apaches)& Comanches. Returning to san antone they escaped back to their captors.
@@rezwokgive them 10yrs.
GREETINGS FROM MICHIGAN TO EVERYONE HERE ! I LOVE LOVE THIS HISTORY .
Hey hey hey from Pittsburgh Pa USA c'mon man you know the thing hahaha 😜
Yay! Michigan.
🤫 I know I'm in Ireland, but there's no need to SHOUT!! 😲
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This is one of my all time favorite podcasts! I absolutely love the history that you share with your audience. However, I find it hard to believe that you don’t have a million followers on your fantastic channel. This includes the history, presentation, research, and analysis of these remarkable stories. Thanks a million, brother!
Thank you so much! We'll get there God willing!
Some time ago, I sat with an Apache women, she told me part of her oral history about her peoples “contact” with the Comanche. It was a tale of her people being “converted” from a people living “ on the flat land” surviving by a combination of agriculture, hunting and gathering. To a people living in small hill bands, migratory and constantly moving to avoid Comanche depredations.
It was a swift, brutal takeover.
This deserves a movie
Don't say that. These days they'd make it painting Turner and his family as the villainous colonizers who had it coming after terrorizing the peaceful and honorable first nation's people.
Mhmm. Imma try
Basis of every wilderness movie ever made. Heard of Clint Eastwood?
@@TheKenchambersyea I was gonna say Turners story feels like the Outlaw Josey Wales but with the Comanche instead of Americans like in the movie
But make it animated,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dont like any Inverted hellywood actors,,,,1960's Johnny Quest were Awesome,,,,,,,,,just imagine with today's technology how good and real life it would be
Your channel was thankfully recommended to me by the Algo and I have to honestly say this is the one of the best narrated and researched channels for this niche of American History and historically driven narratives. Thank you so much for all this hard, creative, truth telling, historically anchored work. Bravo. Gripping from start to finish.
Found this channel just yesterday and can't stop listening! Great work!
Don't think I'll be able to make it through this for the next few days, but here's a like and a comment for the algorithm. I wouldn't mind seeing more content like this in the future. Make three episodes or so on the same character, the same conflict or series of events, and then bundle them together into a supercut at the end. I like it.
More coming soon!!
I love the format and the content, keep up the great work!
The murder of the Turner family on Chicolete Creek occured just a few miles NW of Navidad, Tx where my 3x great grandfather (Major James Kerr) land grant is located. His grave and historical marker are on FM 822 several miles north of Edna, Tx.
Thank You ! That was worth all my listening time. Yo read it out wonderfully. ! I WILL BE TUNING IN your channel everytime i can .
You are so welcome
Amazing man: I can’t stop listening . Honestly it makes me proud to know these are our ancestors.
“If we look back in our history and our doctrine and understand we are not descended from fearful men”
Stories like this say a lot about the saying that those who live by the sword die by the sword. Beware those that take harming into thier hearts.
I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Cant wait brother. Much appreciated from northern California.
Thanks Charlie!!
Brilliant story! Very sad fate on the wild frontier of Texas 😢
Freedom is NOT FREE💯🤙🏻😎🤷🏿♂️
Still best best showing of history! Your Turner guy of the pictures is too handsome. Thank y'all in Texas from Northern Germany Ludwig.
American Western Men,
Wallace was a relative of
William Wallace, Bigfoot
Was another fine story 💯🤙🏻😎
Greetings from north west
Rocky Mountains, UssA😊
I was at the edge of my seat the whole time so glad i found your channel !
Can't wait for the whole crazy saga. He's quickly become a favorite of mine.
Yeah buddy agreed 💯
We need a 1,000 Jeff Turners unleashed upon the domestic enemies of America's Great Experiment on self-government.
Your one helluva story teller. Thanks!
Thanks for listening!
Hallo from South-Africa! Superb story! Thank you.
GO BRICS !!!!!
Never stare into the fire, really foolish.
One of my favorite stories is the Battle of Blood River where 464 Voortrekkers killed over 3000 enemy attackers and sustained only a handful of wounded. Amazing!
Dusk and Dawn Best time to get it done. Hell of pitchman this Storytelling man of Genius. Love the Show and always Carry a large caliber revolver for safety.
Saving the final shot for yourself.
@@CharlesKrum-wb7ev agreed 👍
Just wanted to say that I listen in from Ireland every evening, and find the subject matter,
So glad to have you!
This guy was the real life Punisher
Jeremiah Johnson
@@markgray6982That's not fair, no one can live up to ole Liver Eating Johnson.
Great history and story thank you so much for taking the time
Glad you enjoyed it!
In all my study of the Indian wars I've never heard of a reliable report of the Comanche engaging in Cannibalism. So in my opinion the second story is probably the true one. It's far more likely that Turner was bitten by a rattlesnake than eaten and dismembered by Comanches. Not only is it highly unlikely that a Man like that was taken unawares and captured but considering that one of the reasons the Comanches nearly annihilated the Tonkawa tribe was because they engaged in ritual cannibals themselves. I find it hard to believe the Comanche would than do an act they found morally repugnant. Torture yes cannibalism no.
We would tend to agree with your assessment on this. Herman Lehmann reports ambushing Tonkawa while he was with Comanche bc the Tonkawa had engaged in cannibalism.
maybe they were mistaken about that tribe's identity at that moment.
@@christigoth No, they weren't. The story of the Tonkawa's cannibalistic act is pretty well documented in both Comanche oral history and written accounts by Whites. They were not mistaken and besides the Tonkawa never denied the incident.
I had a grandmother scalp at ruddles station ky at the for of the licking river in 1780 ,crazy times.talk about PTSD
Jeff Turner sounds like he could be the inspiration for the character of Wild Man in the Galaxys's Edge series. He first appears in the book titled "The 100".
Looking forward to it. I'll be there. Thank you 💛
Thank you Judith!
One of your best stories forsure
The grass isn't always greener.....
Lol, in other words he shoulda stayed in Kentucky?
Absolutely. Nothing better than contentment @J.McSmithy
I’ve somehow listened to 2 of your hour plus videos today and your channel is great
Glad you like them!
This should prove to be an interesting story thank you I will be there
Im not saying this is the best channel on CZcams, but I can say there is no channel better.
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Agreed
This story makes me think about how great the fishung for specks and reds wouldve been back then.
So, they whipped out the weaker tribe and we whipped out them, the lesser/weaker civilization and “civilization” is being generous.
Bullies always meet their superior and justice gets done. but most everything we did was defensive, preventive , and protective of the innocent victims.
Sorry to be the Grammer nazi, but I believe knowledge is power, and for the most part, i like to empower people 🤙🤙 So, if your nose is snotty, you'd "whip" out some Kleenex and then "wipe" it lol
Good story and thankful for the long form. After years of studying our collective history, I'm amazed we exist. Should the Aboriginal Americans be a glimpse of early man's interactions with others and the elements I'm fascinated we've made it this far.
Cool as dirt! I love this stuff. Dig your prose amigo.
Great story. Thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This actually made me cry. Absolutely horrific, reminds me of the opening scene to Hostiles
Reminds me of Gaza
@@compassioncampaigner728You're so virtuous, good for you, pat your self on the back.
Very well written, and delivered with the respect and restraint deserved.
Excellent tale thankyou for sharing it.
We no longer live in a time when a person can legally devote their entire existence to revenge for a lost family. Now We have to depend on the courts or the government for justice (if it ever happens). When I was 14 my best friend and his entire family was murdered by a psychopath. Had I stayed 2 more hours at their house that Christmas Eve 1984 I would not exist.
Great stuff as always 👍
You have to do Lewis Wetzel!!
Coming soon...😉
@@historyattheokcorral awesome!!
Is it possible for a person to develop a Jeff Turner level of abject loathing for others who have lied, cheated, poisoned, sickened and stolen wealth and power?
That is a man that has nothing left to lose and they say he is looking for revenge,but real he is looking for death
it could be, but did they kill your current family ? or are you just blaming people falsely .
Great story telling.l used to read true west as a kid.Your research is awesome.Enjoy your narration and non annoying voice.great damn work you do i must say
Mr Turner made a few mistakes by not having guard dogs and always having a horse at hand when he was more than 100 yards or so from the family's cabin, unless the terrain was too rough, based on stories I grew up listening to.
Big Foot Wallace was a part time geoligist or that was a hobby of his apparently.
I grew up hearing stories of him exploring a place called "Panther Cave" that was near my mother's family's original homestead.
The cave was actually what appeared to possibly have been formed from a sinkhole that had over time become hollowed out by rain and floods resulting in a shape similar to a horse shoe with an overhanging limestone ledge anywhere from 10' to 40' in depth forming the overhang with a height that varied from 20' to 30' from the one time I got to see it in person. The bottom of the cave had been built up several feet from loose rocks falling from the overhang and was probably at least 5' to 10' deeper when Bigfoot would have been there.
The "cave" had been a popular camping site for different tribes over the years since it provided an excellent shelter from the wind and rain with multiple limestone springs that continiously ran from the overhang and another spring that bubbled up nearly in the middle of the cave's floor.
According to what I was told, Bigfoot collected many different types of arrowheads, spear-heads, and some pottery shards from the site, some of which he gave to a neighbor of my mother's family.
I believe that I was told in our local museum that some of those artifacts ended up residing there in the museum.
According to my mother's oldest brother, he remembered Bigfoot eating dinner with the family on occasion and sometimes slept on their front porch during the hotter months when he wasn't camping in Panther Cave.
There were also stories of Bigfoot exploring nearby Comanche Peak which was supposrdly a Comanche burial ground.
Even if Comanche Peak wasnt really a burial ground, anyone wanting a good overview of the surrounding area would have certainly used it as a lookout since it is the highest point for 20 to 30 miles around on clear days.
Some of the stories I was told came from my 8th grade history teacher, and the rest from family members on my mother's side.
Fabulous effort.
Thank you for your videos.
If they ever make a movie about Jeff Turner, I think Jon Bernthal would be a great pick
This is Great !
It was a horseland in and most people believed that thief whether he was Indian or a white man that there was no cure this side of the grave. That is why it was sometimes a hanging offense to steal horses and cattle. You can kind of understand Jeff Turner's hatred for the Indians all he saw was his beloved family slaughtered by a group of what he termed to be savages. And whether the murders or white or Indian when you attack a town or a village and kill women and children that is unforgivable whether you are marauding Indians or white bandits.
I love this channel and his voice
This is one of the reasons why the Founding Fathers enshrined the 2nd Amendment. 🇺🇸
It’s also a good argument AGAINST banning AR15s and “high-capacity” magazines.
*_”A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."_*
*_-Amendment II, Constitution of the United States of America_* ✝️🇺🇸
Bonjour!superb ~ 😲
dad joke of the day
[Q] which side of an EAGLE,has the most feathers?
[A]why,the OUTSIDE,of course,YA silly
The rangers are not angels. They also killed women and kids.
They just replicated the mode of operation of the Commanches. Very effective. Savage yes but normal for the time.
Awesome thanks
Reminds me of Jeremiah Johnson.
Reminds me of Gaza
@@compassioncampaigner728No one cares
Make a Epic movie, Eastwood should of made a movie about him or Redford. TURNER was a brave heroic figure, a legendary figure,
My family was killed by commance around the same time turners was in the same area too , Gonzales tx the account was witnessed by the only survivor a child who hid in the woods and seen it all
If you need anything or have any question I'd be happy to help if I can when you get here
Good stuff man.
Cheers for this, i enjoyed this story
Glad you enjoyed it
The definition of the Lawless West'... tough place to stay alive!
Especially if you are native American
Another great story. Thanks.
What is the name of the creek that Turner made camp at? I would like to visit it someday. I think I misspelled it and can not find it.
Chicolete Creek. Check spelling but sounded like Chico le tey.
I was born in brownwood, hey this channel is so awesome, hell yeah, Jeff Turner is a bad mf, it’s so awesome that I spent most of my life in his roaming grounds, that’s a mean badass man, glad I got to hear his story, thank you bud’ 💪💀🫡👊🤕😵☠️🇺🇸🖕😁
Seems their horses had a particular build. Not too tall, narrow chest.. which isn't great for distance running but for sprints and ability to wrap ones legs around them and attack hanging off the side or the neck.
they just had what was available from the wild or stolen local horses they had.
In a story by Noah Smithwick,
Of his first meeting Sam Houston riding up on a small sturdy horse with Sam’s legs hanging almost to the ground
That was awesome. Thank you very much
Nicely done
My grandfather's grandfather arrived in Duval County in 1864 from Monterrey, Mexico. We had a great aunt who lived to be 102 and died in 1970. She passed on a lot of stories about our families. My hometown of Concepcion, Texas, was frequently raided by Indians and Mexican bandits. We are not sure if the Indians were Apache or Comanche. They kidnapped a 5 year old girl who also had a twin sister. The Texas Rangers claimed that a light skinned female was living among tribes in the panhandle, but that was never confirmed. Anyone have any idea what tribe it might of been?
A movie waiting to be made.
True, but if so, Hollywood would ruin it with woke correctness.
@@sunzeneisea black Jeff turner for sure 😂
A similar movie already exists about Jeremiah "Liver Eating" Johnson and his one man war against the Crow after a crow hunting party murdered his wife.
Much later a ranger named Captain John Hughes had six of his horses stolen but in this case by rustlers they had also stolen horses from many other ranches and he told the local ranchers if they would take care of his ranch he would trail them himself. He maddeningly to all the reporters gave no account of the fight but six against one and he attacked them. He gives no account of the fight he doesn't romanticize it all he said was briefly matter of fact he took the two surviving robbers and drop them off to the local sheriff. Although it has nothing to do with the story we're listening to now which is quite interesting it just has to do with showing how tough the rangers are six against one is insurmountable odds to almost everyone.
Comanche: Hamas of the southern plains.
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Accurate, honestly.
Lol 😂
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Your the best!!!!!
This what neighbors used to be like
Jeff Turner wow. Bad ass.
Don’t mess with Texans 💯🤙🏻😎🤔
Got to love all the extra details added by people who were never there 😂
So at the beginning of his interview collinson says he never met Bigfoot Wallace, later collinson says that Bigfoot told him what happened to Jeff Turner?
It is crazy to me that everything in the old west was violent and bloody except for one historic place in America, Acadia. You see before the British deported them do you know how many wars the Acadians participated in that was not against the British zero. They farmed and traded with the Mi'kmaq and married with them, sold them food specifically the vegetables that they did not farm, muskets, gun powder, lead balls, iron, metal sewing needles, metal fish hooks and much more. On the other hand we got snow shows, the toboggan and maple syrup from them and also traded furs for all the goods I just mentioned. Rich people in Acadie, who were rural farmers from poor backgrounds, before 1755 were richer than the colony of Quebec and even France itself. Ultimately this is why they were deported. Acadia is another word for "Utopia"
And just like the meaning of the word "no place not a place" it will never exist...but the people still do.
there were numerous good relationships between settlers and tribes. but there are a great many tribes in the usa and all are / were different. some friendly, some hostile.
@@christigoth this is false only french had good relations English called them savages. In french we use native american words not English this proves that england sh had no relations
The Outlaw Josey Wales, 1976
From Britain, I'd like to think of some of my ancestors hitting the dusty trails of texas, guns a popping, whiskey a flowing, lawless and a bit odd, with a wild commanche wife and ten ginger haired kids, but sadly I'm not aware of any ancestors ever going to texas, argh well
Texas didn't stop at Oklahoma. It went right into today's Colorado.
telling the story once must be enough
A rattle snake bite just doesn't seem to fix in this whole picture.
I have many kin and dogs that lived through rattle snake without medical help.
I would to see the movie gunfight at the ok corral staring burt Lancaster and Kurt Douglas
My father as a boy with his father was witness to the last Indian raid in Texas.
They came of the reservation road past my father's farm were grandad pulled my boy next to him.
The Indians according to dad were quite covered in paint as they road by.
Soon there was smoke in the distance and the. Natives road back by.
They have or never heard why the Natives did what they did to that one family but they killed the family and pops said there name was the green family 😮
New go this part of fascinating history (born and bred New Zealander),genuine question, what happened to Jeffs farm and home?to my imagination he gifted it to the neighbors who nursed him back and also is it to this day presurved or lo ation even knowen?thankyou.
Jeff Turner the Indian hater is kinda a hard name ngl