Drumming in front of the beat vs on the beat vs behind the beat | Bass and Drums Workshop
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- Drumming in front of the beat vs on the beat vs behind the beat | Bass and Drums Workshop
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In this video, learn what it means to play in front of the beat, on the beat and behind the beat and how to choose which style is best for you.
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I had an argument with my old drummer on this . Hes a technical flashy player but he had no idea about the front or back of the beat . He thought i was full of it as im not a drummer . Guitar player . This vindicates me . Hi Chad .
I play in front of the beat a lot and I play behind the beat a lot. It's all unintentional though!
Do you play on the beat a lot?
He mentioned Chester and genesis so cool!
Carl Albrecht is a fine drummer I like his styles specially in the song We've come to bless your name and Praise looks good on you.
I loved this lesson so much Thankyou 🤗✨✨✨ For your team Mr. Don Moen💕
God bless and Shalom✨💕
Nice one !
Jason!!!
great stuff
I suggest using a visual aid such as recording midi of your drums or at the very least zooming right in on an audio editor such as Cubase and taking a very close look at what your style really is and to become aware of it. When you can see a visual reference you can experiment with what it feels like to play a little ahead and then verify in your recording visually in that you've executed it correctly as planned and get a firm grip on what ahead of or dragging the beat actually feels like. Most people aren't going to be able to know by using your ear while playing. Learning this gives you the control to utilize the beat as a team (drums and bass) more effectively for punch etc.
On the later albums of The Beatles, Ringo played WAY behind the beat. That's the #1 reason they sounded so heavy. People think it was John. Nope.
Also behind the beat when he backs Tom Petty
Don Moen's singing: If a smile had a voice.
Does playing behind the beat only apply to the snare? I've always thought that treating your snare hit as the second hit in a tight flam (with right hand on the ride/hat etc...) is a a good way to go about this. Thoughts?
Thank you for your insight.
Any musical examples?
I need a lesson on this, I don’t really know how to practice this concept
I personally love a drummer who lays back a little and then I, as a bassist, lays back a little more than that. Creates an easy warm groove. Drummers like Mike Portnoy irritate me because they’re so on top of the beat, it feels rushed and anxious
Hi Pastor Don, I just wish you can have your former musicians as your guests in this wonderful channel. I really missed Pastor Carl playing for you. He was your drummer when you visited the Philippines in the 90's. Thanks and Love lots here from the Philippines. God bless...
Hey Jerald! Thanks for the idea and for watching! SO glad to hear you were there to listening to Carl back then. Blessings!
What about 'What Becomes of the Broken Hearted' MoTown version with two drummers? Feels 'behind the beat' to me . . .
It depends on the style of the music, surely? Behind the beat sounds great on folk, folk rock, country, blues. Something tense and edgy - Rockabilly, punk, some types of rock sound better with the drums pushing at the front. I think years ago this was all thought of as 'feel' - some guys would get work because they had the right 'feel' for the music they were hired to play. You didn't call Levon Helm for a Dead Kennedys gig.. I think it is a more modern idea that drummer can control this and chose where to put the beat. I find it very hard to do...
How come Kenan Thompson never mentioned he's groovin on the bass when not on Saturday Night Live?
All rock sounds so much better played behind the beat or "fat."
What about jazz
Punk Rock sounds best right on top, or just ahead. Progressive sounds best right on top. But for the most part, you're correct.
I still have no clue what they are talking about
I don't think anyone does.
Thank you, but there is something wrong here.
The drummer here is right. It is all about emotions.
If a drummer is playing a slow sad blues less behind the beat or ahead of the beat is
is not musical.
If you are playing a happy salsa groove, the beat is closer to the middle, but never on the metronom, because then it sounds like a robot and mechanical.
And if you want to play a fast agggressive song it should be ahead of the beat, because that is where the right emotions are.
An animal attacking is never behind the beat.
For me it seems like the fellow musicians you talk about are not emotionally related
to the material. And that is normal.
All musicians needs to feel the same to swing. A good sense of time is not enough.
We need to be able to play all kinds of feel and emotions with a click. It is damn hard, but maybe the only way to be super good.
When we are the master of a metronom, we can really start working on emotions and make the music push and pull. We are free and can do what we want.
We can also push and pull in a groove that is behind the beat. But that is something else.
First we need to establish what groove we want: Behind, more on the beat or behind, and to which level. Is is all about emotions. Emotions and lyrics lead the way. What we want to express.