Robert Pattinson is the BEST Batman
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- Is Robert Pattinson the best Batman? I'm here to give my take. There's so much that I can say about this film that I didn't mention in this video. I might come back to talk about it more in the future.
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It's been quite some time since my last upload. I plan to get more videos out soon. The hiatus is over!
I loved this movie and I just wanted to give my two cents on it.
I didn't even mention the amazing opening sequence and monologue, or the other brilliant performances. I was mostly trying to keep the video concise. I might make a video on the deleted joker scene, as I have a few things I wanted to say about that.
Anyways, thanks for watching.
I'm sorry but this is not a hot take at all. Battinson is the goat!!!!
I’m going to say this. This is the only good Batman where Batman is my favorite character. Even after having titans like Paul Dano and Zoe Kravitz nailing Riddler and Catwoman. That’s how good Robert Pattinson is.
Pattinson is the best Batman Bale is the best bruce wayne. I didn't like Pattinson's bruce wayne he just seemed like a goth kid not a business man battling the demons and trauma of his childhood
@@liebeasta3332 Wasn’t that the point? His PTSD never allowed him to grow up, because he spent his whole life not addressing it, which is more realistic. He only realises later how useful Bruce Wayne can be. I think it’s better to see him develop his Bruce Wayne persona over time instead of just out of the blue in one movie.
100%
@@lsabelline exactly, it also allows for us to see his Bruce take on the playboy persona and see more growth overall
@@lsabelline The classic Bruce Wayne is not a depressed emo but a dynamic buisness man billionaire. Pattinson's Wayne didin't had any character and was straight boring !
I agree, he's the best yet. Also, I find that the previous Batmen were very well cast in their respective universes. I can't imagine any of them working as well in another vision of Gotham.
this is a very insightful and true comment.
Yep, I agree.
Finally someone who understand The Batman. Unlike others that saying it's bad just because they wanted to see more blockbuster actions from Batman movie instead of understanding Batman himself. This movie is really good showing the audience how is it to be Batman, and that's no fun at all; the struggle, the phsycology, the try and error, the experience of beginner. The movie shows that being a Batman isn't gonna be magically would solve all the problem in the Gotham city just because you are the main character.
But the Batman had a lot of action or maybe I am blind? It had more action than The dark knight
@@newmansowar3555you’re crazy lol, this was literally mostly a mystery/detective noir film. Yes there was fight scenes but most of the film was very slowly paced. It was perfect mix of both.
I'm with you 100% on Pattinson! The amount of acting and intensity he brings out through the use of his eyes is simply incredible. His silence as Bruce Wayne speaks volumes. He has what? Two or three lines tops during the funeral scene? He barely says a word but you know exactly what he's thinking from his eyes and facial expressions only
He was the most convincing Batman on screen for me. He made me believe he goes around Gotham every night beating up criminals for the past year or more.
I agree. The problems with the other live action films.
Is that they wanted to show Bruce Wayne the playboy. Instead of Bruce Wayne the man. They wanted to show mental fortitude instead of mental illness.
Burtons Batman was 1 dimensional and focused on spectacle.
Nolan’s Batman was too busy using exposition to defend itself from being a comic book film.
Just recall all the moments Christian Bale openly explains his costume and his reasonings.
And this is the first film that got the dark nature of Gotham correct
It doesn’t look like Chicago
It doesn’t look like a Gothic theme park
It looks like no place I’d ever want to live
What are you talking about ?? Bruce Wayne is not a depressed emo kid but a confident buisnessman billionaire. Bale was a perfect Bruce Wayne with real character arc..... Pattinson was straight boring !
@@MrMrjack18 shut up
Actually bruce wayne is a straigth up obsessed hyper focussed trauma fueled sociopath that lashes out with unlimited rage every night against societie's never ending decay, all the while further maddening gotham to the point other psychos like the joker appear. Ah.. He also utilizes child soldiers. And that right there is why batman is such a damn good character that can either be portrayed as a hero or a lunatic, and pattinson is as close to that as we've got
@@MrMrjack18 you never watched the Batman 2004
@@MrMrjack18 you haven’t played the Arkham games or watched Batman The Animated Series have you lol
Also gotta add that they also showed us a vulnerable and imperfect Batman that’s been sorely lacking in most media. I like the overly prepared strategic mind that usually is Batman but that being said, sometimes he’s portrayed as a little too infallible. Being allowed to make mistakes and even evolve as a hero is something I haven’t seen much for this character. Great video 👍
Pattinson is the best Batman Bale is the best bruce wayne. I didn't like Pattinson's bruce wayne he just seemed like a goth kid not a business man battling the demons and trauma of his childhood but also know how to not let that affect his business and image in the public eye. Batman was always portrayed as imperfect. The only thing that makes batman vulnerable is when you use people close to him which is what this film did very well. It's definetly my favourite batman movie
@@liebeasta3332 i think trauma has a deep effect for the rest of ones life, I dont see someone with a past like that, being perfectly able to play a normal human even if millions of money can help with that.
I think bales batman was too flawless as bruce and batman altough i think nolans second batman movie was the best one because of heath ledgers joker.
I like Reeves batman because he is portrayed more realistic but i also liked the new batmobile a whole lot more than the tank in nolan, even if it makes more sense to be like that in his movies. Man ...Boys and their toys...cant escape it.
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I agree with your assessment. Your point about this character being “antiquated” is why I think Batman will withstand many updated iterations to come. As we become more savvy in our taste for complex and dimensional characters Reeves’ visceral approach and Pattinson’s nuanced portrayal seemed to satisfy our current demands for superheroes. I so enjoyed this movie and love the direction they are taking that I shamelessly want Reeves to keep being inspired by “Ego” and continue this character study so he can really sink his teeth into the duality of Batman vs Bruce since Pattinson has proven to be such an engrossing presence under the cowl that I look forward to his further exploration of the two. In this age of cookie-cutter-live-action-storytelling I believe he is the right director to refresh this genre by actually making a sequel that is really an in-depth psychological examination of a superhero that won’t be overshadowed by the villains but instead focusing on Bruce’s growth as a (Bat)man. I think if anyone could give this character complexity and weight that we long for it is Reeves’ humanistic directorial touch and Pattinson’s instinctual performance. Thanks for the video.
Absolutely! I genuinely can’t wait to see what Reeves and Pattinson will do going forward.
The Batman easily has my favorite Batman.
Pattinson does a great job and I love the way Matt Reeves made this.
1A-Battinson(The Young brutal vigilante looking for his purpose)
1B-Batfleck(The jaded vet that lost the war inside with his other self that steps to the edge and becomes the thing he hates and finds hope again and builds the fn league)
2- Val(underrated performance captured the dichotomy of the alter ego of batman and bruce wayne....a great batman in a bad movie)
3.Bale( my childhood hero, the symbol of hope, the personification of what batman means for gotham)
4. Conroy if were counting the animated series and arkham games(all of them combined from above)
5. Jensen ackles from long halloween....i need more but he nailed the voice and im confident he is the voice of batman for years to come if conroy retires(id love to see the cw cast him opposite of Tyler Hochlen in Superman and lois if the build a dc tv universe from that series.
I really liked affleck as Batman more than bale tbh wish we got more to him
Thank you man! Finally someone giving Val Kilmer the credit he deserved. He was a great Batman in a shitty movie.
You did not just put Kevin conroy all the way at the bottom 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂 tell me you’re under 15 without saying it god damn. Kevin conroy is THE BEST Batman, above all the live action batmen.
I don't need to hear you out,Pattinson was born for it and he's the first actor to be the best Batman/Bruce Wayne. He's the comic relief and this masterpiece is everything I've ever wanted as a crazy hard core Batman fan,this felt like the Arkham games and comics all in one. Big up to Matt Reeves he proper understands the character.
Rob was the closest characterization of Batman of the film Batmen to the character we know and love from the comics.
I agree Robert Pattinson has performed very well as the Batman. I like how they've made Bruce Wayne unkempt and alittle timid. His clothes look slightly over sized. Where as Batman he looks heavier. Nice touch with the disguise. Another thing is how well Robert shows emotion through the cowl. Very much looking forward to the next Batman movie under Matt Reeves.
Couldn’t put my finger on it before, but you’re absolutely right about the disguise and the clothing. He dresses like a grunge rock star as Bruce. Baggy black shirt, cool sunglasses, all black chucks
I went into this movie with the lowest of expectations and walked out with a new favorite Batman movie.
I didn’t walk in with that low of expectations, because the trailers were awesome and I saw it filmed here in Chicago. But it blew me away and didn’t expect it ending up being the best Batman on screen. The best performance as a character, the best Catwoman, penguin, Gordon and Carmine Falcone
I'm 18 and haven't actually grown up with Batman or superheroes in general, at least like everyone my age seems to, I was always more into Video Games. I saw the trailers to this and it looked really intriguing but I had no reason to think it'd wow me so out of wanting to know what the hype of Batman was about I watched the Dark Knight trilogy, not just once but twice within 2 weeks or so before I watched The Batman in theaters. I loved the first watching of the Dark Knight trilogy that it caused me to have a marathon after the sunset in my backyard with a fire with all my friends who were going to watch The Batman the day after with me. Oddly enough, my hype of the Dark Knight and even of The Batman caused me to be doubtful that Robert Pattinson was going to perform better than Christian Bale but I still thought it'd be good. Low and behold I was BLOWN AWAY, this movie made Matt Reeves my favorite director of this generation, just by watching the interviews you can tell he is extremely passionate and nerdy about movie making and Vengeance himself. It also made Robert Pattinson one of my favorite actors to learn about, on a personal level, just where he has been and going is really interesting to me and he is a really cool character outside of the characters he plays. I was also super hesitant to say this was my favorite Batman movie, superhero movie, and favorite Batman himself mostly because I didn't want recency bias to cloud my judgment so I gave it more time, watched it 2 more times in theaters, waited for it to come on HBO Max and watched it 2 more times and I can confidently say it didn't just hold up, it only got better, I am still watching this movie finding new things, and even interpreting it differently in different ways then I did previously just by thinking outside of my own person and trying to put myself more in the shoes of each character which causes every viewing to be a new experience almost. I think this is an insane look into morality that EVERYONE can really find some lessons to learn from. As for Robert Pattinson, his performance is S+ tier, out of all the modern actors and movie performances he gives one to be remembered, his performance is at least super high on my limited list of movies but still maybe just at the top if I do dare say I think it's Oscar-worthy, partly because you don't get performances like that in blockbuster movies to let alone superhero movies. I know the Oscars are kind of a joke from what I hear, but out of all the blockbuster movies I think none of them will hold much against The Batman (2022) I think it will have to be really high on the number of nominations a movie gets in the Academy Awards and it may not win a lot of them as it is still a superhero movie and isn't trying to win anything but instead bring a high-quality experience to as many people and more importantly to the harder fan-base and not trying to appease and make money from everyone like the MCU, not that that's bad but I have respect for movies that try to make the people that actually give a damn and care a lot about the story and characters happy even if it bores or pisses off others outside of that niche.
Again, I am not incredibly into the Movie world like a lot of people are, so a lot of what I said might be from an incredibly casual perspective so don't burn me pls xD
Bro, I feel old as a 21 year old. Goddamn i grew up with this shit
@@Random-qi3vv Lol, I definetly get you, I was and still am really in to the Halo franchise, wild to think that Halo 3 and Reach was 2007 and 2010 which is over half my age ago. But I am insanely happy I'm able to experience these movies and be a kid again except with something else.
Matt reeves is the 🐐
I also wasn't sure about Pattinson at first, I laughed at the idea of glitter boy playing Batman. But I watched a video about Pattinsons work since twilight and Harry Potter and I saw that he was a good actor, so I went into the movie with optimism. And I have to commend him for his performance. Bale was Bruce Wayne, who was Batman. But Pattinson is Batman (his performance reminded me a lot of Karl Urban as Judge Dredd), and it's a great juxtaposition between his Batman and the emo boy Brucey, showing that Bruce Wayne is really the mask
Thank you for mentioning Val Kilmer as underrated. Every time I rewatch Forever I forget how good he is in it.
No he’s not. He looks good in the mask and in the panther suit, even with nipples, but his performance his phoned in … admittedly too and super wooden.
I actually love this movie .
My natural reaction is to not want to like this take because of the odd nature in comparison with the mainstream depiction of Batman that is become accustomed to.
But against my own will, I find myself being more and more drawn to pattinsons Batman .
Everytime I watch it , I grow to appreciate it more and more
I dont need to “hear you Out” because your damn right
I think i've been waiting for superhero movies to be more like this without knowing it. Just after watching the movie, i can't stop thinking about it. It's so human and deep and complex yet epic and visually stunning. Amd Robert Pattinson. He makes us care what his batman thinks, feels, sees etc. In such an intense way that this is the Batman I'm holding onto more than Nolan's version. I love both version's of course. But Robert Pattinson makes Batman more accessible and relatable to us viewers and I raise my hat to for that!!
In other words, this movie made Batman a lot more relatable.
The Batman is not a movie about Bruce Wayne disguised as Batman, its a movie about Batman disguised as Bruce Wayne.
Btw I did say this movie would be great last year... don't wanna say I told you so
Because it was great for you doesn’t make it great for everyone. The movie is ok to me. After the opening scenes with the narration I was left unimpressed on many levels. Viewed the film twice, it’s still just ok in my eyes. Everyone’s not you. Don’t wanna say I told you so…
Pattinson is THE Batman. All time favorite. I feel like Nolan’s Batman is movie Batman where Pattinson’s Batman is comic Batman. This portrayal of the dark knight is oddly relatable, and it literally felt like a graphic novel being pulled off the pages.
i thought you had like at least 10k subs or somewhere around there but wtf 300 some subscribers? you definitely need more man, super well done video.
Honestly this is a great video you explain it pretty well and you give good points to why you think it is I think you’re a great CZcams channel I hope you thrive
I def agree with you. A fresh and new interpretation is something we needed. While I do enjoy many of the Batmans, especially Keaton and Arkham version, a younger Batman who hasnt fully figured himself out yet is what I had been hoping to see
this reminds me of the tom vs tobey and andrew argument, i’ve always loved rob man i think he plays the part well and i can’t wait to see what he does in the sequels
The Millenials ended up superseding two previously really strong and iconic performances. Holland surpassed McGuire and Garfield. Pattinson surpassed Bale and Keaton.
Totally agreed, looking forward to his journey.
I Love the look he gave to Kinsey when he pointed him out to Gordon
Paul Dano arguably gives us the best Batman villain portrayal too. Another point in the film's favor is that it is based in the streets of Gotham, Batman works at its best on this level. The League of Justice inter-dimensional galactic wars style or Batman vs Superman style of Batman is by far the least interesting or engaging version
Best Batman villain portrayal will always be Heath Ledger's Joker !!!
@@MrMrjack18 tbh batman has the best villains than any other movie
dark knight was my all time favourite movie. the batman 2022 almost blows it out of the water. while the dark knight trilogy is a great interpretation, its clumsy in certain areas where this film excels. i think that is mostly because of the iconic performance heath gave as joker. in this movie nobody outshines pattinson. this is an actual batman movie that focuses on batman. i absolutely love it.
Finally a batman film where its:
About batman
& Batmans a detective
This channel is very underrated, subscribed
I'm gonna be honest
This is my personal favourite Batman out of all of them
Look Bale was good but after seeing American Psycho he would've done a better Joker and Ben Affleck... I can't say much about him
But Robert's take I could almost relate to strangely and he gave a more real take on Batman like he's still tormented after the even of his parents deaths but when I heard Robert was being Batman I thought "oh great it's gonna be Twilight 8" bit when I saw him on the screen I legit forgot he was Robert Pattinson I thought I was watching THE Bruce Wayne of Gotham City he was spectacular of what he managed to do including the Batmobile scene, that just felt like a horror scene! It was fantastic
Honestly it felt like this movie was real! Not made up it was amazing this is the Batman I've wanted since I read the comics!
I think in terms of the feel of batman , its taps into the reailty of what being batman is like. Its dark , lonley , haunting , unforgiving and will consume you if you let it .
I loved the dark knight trilogy, but i appreciate the gritty true detective style they went with in this one .
based on my dislike for previous batman movies, i was ready to write that choice off really. i thought rob was better than batman 😆 but he proved me wrong, so there's that. i think what matt reeves is trying to do suits rob very well. he's rarely carried a movie in the last few years (with the exception of good time, which was also written for him) and i'm just so chuffed people are enjoying him as batman and it feels like the fandom is less divided about him.
he's so great and he's given so little dialogue and i'm so pleased matt reeves let these very good actors act instead of reciting lines. matt reeves is so amazing!!!!
sorry, so yeah ... rob pattinson ranks AT ALL because previously i never gave a shit.
I found the performance solid, and was not disappointed. The cinematography was beyond what I expected, and really appreciated what they did. Not too much to find negative about the movie.
I liked the way they presented the inner turmoil of Bruce Wayne. And the shift in his eyes when he went from the angry Bat, to the look of hope reflected in his eyes at the end when rescuing the people.
subtle.
I agree man bruh not only this is the best Batman it is the best Batman movie of all time and top 5 comic book of all time. This movie changed my life
Robert Pattenson was a damn good Batman but "The Batman" movie was so damn good that I don't think it matters who puts on "The Batman" costume. As a matter of fact I prefer a lesser known actor if not a complete unknown. But Pattenson was good! And the movie "The Batman" might just be the best of all Batman movies so far, of course we know there will be more and another with Pattenson as "The Batman" most likely and that's just fine by me.
Perfect breakdown man. You summed it up beautifully. I just watched it again and the image of him walking the people to safety with his flare sent a shivers, like the pied piper, so many interesting metaphors. As much as I love the Dark Knight trilogy and Ben Afflecks version, Robert has delivered the definitive version of both Bruce and Batman for me. Cinematography was awesome, Penguin.. incredible, Riddler, a dark and menacing version played by a brilliant Paul Dano. I loved Catwoman and the chemistry between them, and the film score was amazing, it hit the emotional highs and lows at just the right moments. Can't wait for the sequel. I hope it keeps the style and increases the scale. In a world where the DCEU is failing, we are lucky to have this and Joker which finally contains some depth and emotional exploration to iconic characters and the world they reside.
I completely agree with you!
This is a good video man keep it up
Great video.
I can’t give Robert credit for the voice. Cause Michael Keaton whispered when he spoke 1st.
Robert really only really played Batman cause this is very early in his career.
So of course he can’t get the best Bruce Wayne.
But you make great arguments
Great channel man! 👍
Stellar vid my guy
There is a lot you can get out of this film that doesn't require saying it explicitly to the audience; you have to observe and think through Bruce's character arc. I like it when filmmakers don't assume I'm an idiot and need to spell everything out for me like I'm 5.
I loved that Pattinson's Batman is basically a "Year 2" Batman who has the fighting techniques, the gadgets, the detective skills...the groundwork is there. But he's still not quite figured out why he's doing the whole Batman thing or how he reconciles being both Bruce and Batman. He basically sees Bruce as the kid who died with his parents and his only persona is that of Batman. But he has to slowly regain his childhood innocence and humanity so that the anger he vents on his enemies doesn't just consume him completely.
This is not even a question to me. He was already my favorite live action Batman when i learned he had a no killing rule.
But when i saw that he had what in my opinion is the most essential characteristic that Batman must have, he is not only my favorite, but i highly doubt any actor or script will top his interpretation.
The characteristic is his OBSESSION.
Anyone who truly knows Batman understands that he can NEVER stop being Batman.
His mind will never allow him to stop, to be happy.
Batman is a Symbol of hope for the Innocent and a Symbol of fear for the criminals.
But no live action movie has shown what Batman means for himself.
It's a curse, he can never have a normal life.
The only thing he can do is allow the people to reach happiness that he will never have.
The Animated Movie " Batman The Mask of the Phantasm " and the Comic " Batman Ego " truly show how complex and deep Batman REALLY is.
Robert Pattinson and the Movie's Script transpose this beautifully.
And the other essential characteristic : his compassion.
Many people tend to say that Batman is no hero. He is just a angry man punishing criminals.
Of course these people probably never read a Batman comic in their lifes.
Batman stays with Ace until she dies.
New 52 Scarecrow comic, Batman Stays with a little girl after she was tortured by Scarecrow.
Batman The Animated Series. An episode Where Batman rescues Leslie and in parallel saves dozens of people from a blast that will destroy crime alley.
" Good people still live in Crime Alley "
" They are scum, but even scum have families "
Batman Crime War.
Batman Arkham Origins Ending
But this is the movie that shows Batman as a man with empathy.
People stop fearing him, and start accepting him as a protector.
Batman finds his ballance as Fear and Hope.
" I need to be something more "
This is my favorite Batman.
Yeah he's definitely the best, this movie was an absolute surprise and I can't wait for more films with this batman
I'm totally agree with you, this baman just take everithing I personal love to read about him in the comics so i'm pretty glad and happy that matt reves gave me that with this version, and roberth pattinson as batman is just dope
robert is my batman, the batman is the first movie of the character i went to see on a theater.
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Subbed mate, good luck with your channel.
*he’s like just a guy in a Batman suit and it’s kinda kool*
I'm with you on this movie (& Pattinson!) 100%, dude!
walked out the movie 2022 like ya Robert is THE batman.
Pattinson is my Batman.
I hope they make more in this series
Keaton might still be my favorite but I would have to agree that Pattinson nailed it. And not just him, the costume designer too. After getting the superhero fatigue, this movie was surprisingly fascinating.
My biggest concern with this next movie is how they'll change the suit. It felt pretty much perfect for me, and it really showed off Pattinson's jawline and made him feel strong as Batman. The ears were perfect as well.
I wonder if he'll update it with small tech or will completely overhaul it and go for a sleeker black and blue?
Aside from David Boreanaz' Angel. I mean,he's technically the Batman of the Buffyverse. Pattinson's Batman is basically Batman on screen. And I LOVE it.
I love the trilogy but this batman is fire 🔥 you earned my sub awesome video
I was watching in the theater opening weekend when I decided he is the one. The best Batman second only to Kevin Conroy, but definitely the only live action Batman that I like. he is perfect. this Batman is the one I've been waiting for my whole life. 😍
True AF bro, was just wondering the same thing after the credits start to roll; is Pattinson my favorite Batman now? I can't shake his performance man, that last scene on the motorcycle when he stares into the rearview mirror; damn ,it breaks my heart. I don't expect that from Batman.
Well done on the views boost this should give you the motivation to do more 👍🏻
It was crazy to think it would be Robert, but gdmnt they really portrayed Batman perfectly. Bruce wouldn't be able to bounce between happy go lucky and dark and brooding. I mean, the darkness IS the man, and this man is broken. I love it.
I agree with you and I understand how you understand the fans who doesn't like / approve patinson
I think Robert is my favorite live action take besides Ben affleak and personally I think his Bruce will greatly benefit from taking a page out of Kevin Conroy’s playbook and having to develop a bit of a public persona
That’s why Kevin Conroy is the goat for me his Batman is the most reclusive and the smartest he carries a stoic demeanor that really only Pattinson has nailed his Bruce is just enough of a playboy but has a sort of Don Draper feel to him and he’s approachable by the average person in the animated series
I think if Pattinson is forced to develop his Bruce Wayne side due to being in the public eye he will become the definitive live action take
It was a very nice vud idk about subing yet so I'll save this vid
Great take bud
Alright man I subbed!
Got mavi in the background 👍🏾
If The Joker was a film about a broken man becoming Irredeemable, than The Batman is a film about a damaged man becoming a Force for Good!
Great character studies
I 100% agree to each single word said in this video.. Rob literally nailed it in this movie, his performance was nothing short of an Oscar worthy.. He is indeed the definitive Batman!
I agree with you, batman is a bit like James bond everyone has their favorite from different eras.
I think my take-away of all this absurd debate is that there is no such thing as a "definitive Batman." To think so is to mistake personal taste for objective judgement. I personally have disliked every live-action Batman, some more, some less, since I was old enough to find the Adam West version's bland camp tiresome (as a connoisseur of camp, I prefer mine to have genuinely subversive subtext, and "it's actually silly and stupid" isn't enough. I'd kill to see the John Waters Batman).
My only complaint about Bale's version matches Bale's own, that he never quite cracked the character, or found the core emotion to convey. So his performance is all pieces in search of a center that's not quite there. I found Keaton's version without nuance or dimension, but that was hardly his fault. He had nothing to work with but some empty one-liners, and was buried inside a rubber costume that was more like a prop than a conduit for any kind of performance. Puppets are more expressive than he was allowed to be in that Batsuit.
But this gets back to the issue of subjectivity. I went in to Batman back in '89 with a very different notion of what the character ought to be, heavily informed by The Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One, which had just awakened my interest in comics a few years earlier. So my "definitive Batman" looked very different than the one on screen. Yet Keaton's rubber-suited, semi-immobilized take, and the cartoonish world he lived in, immediately became a huge number of people's first, best version of the character, and remains so. Who am I to argue?
Since then, the animated series came out, cementing together everything the character had ever been into a brilliant balance of old, new, and timeless, with a brilliant voice actor to carry it. So is that the definitive Batman? No, because there's no such thing. As Nolan said, the character thrives on reinvention. Nolan's version is a unique, brilliant outsider's take on the ideas, reinventing his Batman to be more akin to James Bond. Snyder expressed his notions of libertarian exceptionalism, which, ya know, whatever. Certainly his version had more in common what the ideas Miller was playing with than most, so much as I could infer from whatever those films were trying to get at.
Personally, I love this new film, and this new Batman, more than any other live-action version. But I don't consider it definitive, not in the slightest. This Batman could never fight my favorite pulpy "weird science" villains like Mr. Freeze or Man-Bat or Clayface, not unless they were radically reinvented the way the Riddler was. His Batmobile is aggressively understated. He doesn't really use the shadows or evoke the kind of supernatural otherworldliness that's so much fun in the comics and cartoons. He's really little more than an angry guy in a funny costume. He doesn't even have that deep, powerful Batman Voice that Kevin Conroy made so iconic, that Bale tried to match.
Some might consider these omissions as weaknesses, but only if you're judging this film by how close it is to being the "definitive Batman." But to my mind, they're strengths, defining THIS Batman, saying what can't be said with a different version. As great as the animated series is, that Batman isn't this Batman, with his unique quirks. I don't need a live-action version of the animated Batman. I wanted exactly what I got, a take on the character I couldn't have imagined.
I completely agree that there is no definitive Batman. There is very little objectivity in any conversation about art or entertainment. These things are not quantifiable. I hope people don’t get the wrong idea when I say “my definitive batman”. I simply wanted to justify my love for this film. The animated series is amazing, and it’s definitely up there for me too. Thanks for your input.
@@TruestPicture Right, of course. Everyone has their definitive Batman in their heads, and for each person, it's a little different, and also, it's a little different from any actual piece of Batman media. That's the interesting thing about this collectively written characters. There's so much out there, we have to pick and choose what we like. So we can customize our own fan-canon version.
@@rottensquid accurate is better, doesn’t matter if people like other versions more accurate i just better.
@@lilstupidahhboy5155 Accurate to what? Some fictional character that was invented by two teenagers in the 30s? Accurate to the 60s TV show? Accurate to Frank Miller's dystopian satire, or his four-issue noir experiment? Accurate to all 75 years of self-contradictory DC comics? There's not such thing as accurate with Batman, except the name, the ears, the cape, and a few other basics. There's a line past which the character is no longer Batman, but if any of the films crossed that line, then all of them did, to some degree or other.
Ranking the GOAT list of Batmen on screen. Interpretation plus each actors performance.
Keaton in Batman 89
Performance as Bruce: 4/5
Performance as Batman: 5/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 5/5
Overall - 93%
Keaton in Batman Returns
Performance as Bruce: 4/5
Performance as Batman: 4/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 4/5
Overall - 80%
Kilmer in Batman Forever
Performance as Bruce: 3/5
Performance as Batman: 3/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 3/5
Overall - 60%
Clooney in Batman and Robin
Performance as Bruce: 3/5
Performance as Batman: 1/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 1/5
Overall - 33%
Bale in Batman Begins
Performance as Bruce: 5/5
Performance as Batman: 4/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 5/5
Overall - 93%
Bale in TDK
Performance as Bruce: 4/5
Performance as Batman: 4/5
Characterization and Interpretation - 5/5
Overall - 86%
Bale in TDKR
Performance as Bruce: 4/5
Performance as Batman: 3/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 5/5
Overall - 80%
Affleck in Batman v Superman
Performance as Bruce: 4/5
Performance as Batman: 3/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 4/5
Overall - 73%
Affleck in Justice League
Performance as Bruce: 3/5
Performance as Batman: 3/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 3/5
Overall - 60%
Pattinson in The Batman
Performance as Bruce: 5/5
Performance as Batman: 5/5
Characterization and Interpretation: 5/5
Overall - 100%
For me, that’s how I would accurately judge the on screen Batmen based on performance from the actor and the characterization and interpretation from the movie’s script.
It’s not a hot take, it’s also not prisoner of the moment or being blinded by nostalgia goggles. Robert Pattinson is easily the best Batman and Bruce Wayne ever on screen. From the narrative choices alone with him being for the first time ever the true focus of the movie, he carries the vast majority of the screen time, particularly in the suit. He does such a tremendous job conveying the pain, anger, grief, and depression the character is stuck in along with his isolation. His Batman is empathetic, but also menacing and terrifying. His Bruce comes off cold and rude, but ultimately has a heart beneath the cold exterior, he pushes people away because he doesn’t want to experience the grief of losing somebody again. This is the character from the modern comic books. Not only is the character as written the best out of all the films, and there has been some truly remarkable Batman films. Robert Pattinson‘s performance is so prideful, and you can tell he truly loves the character, it’s by far and away the best and most true performance as Batman and Bruce Wayne. Like not even close. And that’s saying something considering the great actors that came before him, with beloved takes like Michael Keaton and Christian Bale.
Pattinson nailed it on all levels out the gates. Thanks to the accuracy of the characterization and the strength of the best performance ever of the character in totality on screen. The Batman, indeed. Or The Patman? Or Robert Battinson? Either way, as loyal to the source material first, Pattinson has clearly been the best.
110% Agreed
Gotta say I agree he’s the best even after just 1 movie
This is my second favorite live action Batman. Most realistic live action Batman
I liked Bale A LOT. I actually didn't mind Afleck. He was a better Bruce than Batman, but I liked both. But, yeah, Pattinson nails it. I'm sorry, but he does. If they continue to try to make his character grow and keep leaning on the gritty, horror-crime aspect. I think it's going to be a great series.
Facts
i completely agree
Rorschach is the only superhero who nailed it. He should have had his own movie.
He is the chosen one
I agree he is the best batman because he reminds of the Batman in the Arkham video games
a lot of the time, I think people tend to find the villains more interesting in batman stuff, this is the first time, batman himself was the most interesting character. I think that's what set this one apart. Because he was just as angsty as the villains, Christian Bale or Robert pattinson are the best batmans because they're flawed they're relatable.
Tbh its very difficult to pick the best batman since most of them did rlly good jobs.
i've watched rober pattinson's the batman 8 times... in one singal year.. Great movie! 😂
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The only hot take may be saying it’s not a hot take. Like at all. He’s unequivocally the best Batman. It’s not even slightly a contest for me. And that’s coming from a person who adores Bale as Bruce and Batman. So it’s not that he’s not a goat, it’s just that I love Pattinson and this movie that much. It’s the Bruce and Batman I’ve always seen and felt reading the comics. Like it’s uncanny how much it matches with my interpretation of Bruce as a presence and overall person. And the tone of everything period is just perfect for me and how I see Gotham, it’s essence and inhabitants.
Couldn’t have said it better
@@mitchell7309 word my friend
How to be the best Batman.
Step one: Be British. 🇬🇧
I agree with you with this version of Batman and the reason why I agree with you because I love the way Matt reeves did with that man meaning I am actually happy we get to see a shot in Bruce Wayne I’m actually happy we get to see a true and I mean a true persona of that man and Bruce Wayne the reason why I say that because we never not ever once seen Bruce Wayne he when he’s out in public acting like Bruce Wayne I don’t like it I really don’t but when he’s out on patrol acting like Batman and weenies ouch be in Bruce Wayne I don’t know it’s just it’s very very interesting and it’s really kind of a surprise to me that no one‘s ever figured out his identity yet but I have a feeling that jokers going to figure out as I don’t see in the next movie I don’t know but we will see when the next movie ever does come out also I adored this movie I really did I thought the actor who played cat woman Zoe she did a very very good job Pattinson did a good job as Batman and I hope they keep up the good work Matt reeves shout out to you
I think patinson was soo good because his fights was so realistic And his batman was Intimidating and Cool looking Like christian bale Is a legend and His suits are amazing but his fighting Is so Choppy and slow
I just wish the film was like 5% brighter, sometimes it's hard to see what's going on
I feel you and respect your opinion but I’ve seen this movie twice now and it didn’t gel with me, I’m gonna try it a third time.
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I agree with your take that this movie knew that the star of the show was Batman. As great as The Dark Knight was, Batman really was not the star of the movie, the Joker was
Bale is still my #1, but Rob has become my #2 Batman in live action. Who knows? With more appearances he might just retake Bale’s pole position for top Bat-supremacy in the movies (non-animated division).
Even Batfleck is better than Bale
Hell no
Robert pattinson is in fact the best Batman along side others who played the character such as Kevin conroy, Ben affleck and Christian bale including Michael Keaton
As a mythos pattinson probably is the scariest but as a presence (as in he is in the room with you taking down your buddies) i think affleck has the slight edge
Was that Mavi in the background in the beginning?
Yup 👍
Robert Patterson is the best and1st Batman the detective