Fire Emblem Awakening Playthrough: Bonus - Unused Content
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- The coding of Fire Emblem games contains many mysteries. Let's take a look at what Awakening's holds.
Note: All music used in this video comes from Radiant Dawn's unused tracks. That game has so much unused music you could score an entire game with it! - Hry
Maybe Phila's orginal name was Andrea... That WOULD make sense for a SpotPass character. She 'died' but could've survived. I mean, Emmeryn fell off of the FE equivalant of Mt. Everest and lived.
+Tactician Robin Yeah, that's what I thought. For some reason, Phila and Andrea sound like two very interchangeable names for her.
+Ace Elle I always thought Andrea sounded like a Pegasus Knight.
There's never been any confirmation. Treat them however you like.
You know what is canon though? All the Scramble DLCs. Yes, REALLY.
@@BigKlingy Leopold is Libra.
Totaly forgot about this girl 😅
Argh, I KNEW I'd forgotten something! There was one more thing I'd planned to talk about:
There's an unused enemy faction name called "(Feroxi) Rebels" thats description is "An army of rebels who resists Feroxi rulership". Some people take this as evidence that an entire Ferox civil-war arc was cut from the game.
My personal theory: this was an enemy faction for a one-off Paralogue. Possibly one of the children's Paralogues. Maybe Severa's, because the enemies there being Valmese rebels in Ylisse made no sense.
the most surprising thing I saw was Walhart is Alms descendant
Walhart being Alm's descendant was only mentioned in the Japanese background website, which also mentions that the continent of Valm is named after Alm. You can sort of infer that from Walhart being the ruler of what used to be Valentia, given how Alm ruled there at the end of FE2.
+BigKlingy from the names i'm guessing roy/eliwood would be the descendant cause seliph/Sigurd technically are chroms ancestor along with marth, and priams got ike covered, walhart covers alm, so all that would be left is again roy and eliwood/ hector and lyns decendant if you believe hector married lyndis, and maybe macaiah but i'd doubt they give that much lord love to tellius
+BigKlingy
What if Andrea was a descendant of Roy?
Also I found the risen priest! fireemblemwiki.org/w/images/thumb/8/89/Generic_portrait_priest_risen_fe13.png/100px-Generic_portrait_priest_risen_fe13.png
+BigKlingy What would a 1.5 Gen character mean?
So.... all along the Gangrel we've been seeing is Shiny? HOLY CRAP
MesprittheDigimon ... what?
Proto L Pokémon reference.
MesprittheDigimon Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh.
OMG I KILLED A SHINY NOOOOOOOOOO
philia's death was kinda of shock cuz she looked way too important to be killed early in game
who wanted Phila as a playable character
+GameofSwords philia, pheros and mustafa
You are forgotting the most important one CERVANTES!!!!
Oharo Mustafa ;-;
GameofSwords me
Validar is best grandpa xD
It's been a while, but there's one more bit of unused data that became known recently.
OLD HUBBA, of all people, actually has a barracks roster profile hidden in the game's data. It's mostly a joke...
"An old man who just sort of showed up. Mostly useless, though he can
assess relationships. Oh, and he’s a few millennia old or something. The
one with the wildest love life. Born on February 29th."
But the "mellennia old" part implies that Old Hubba is actually the same fortune teller who appeared in Fire Emblem 4: Genology of the Holy War on SNES. (It's slightly more clear in the Japanese version)
It'd be hilarious if Old Hubba was the most powerful character in the game, more so than the RNG Goddess Anna.
TheNumber1Bacon That would be really wierd but amazing. Probally explains why he even has the Einheriar.
I think Leopold is Libra. Libra doesn't appear on the list so perhaps Leopold was his original name, but was changed to make it more gender-ambiguous.
24:14 This actually makes lots of sense. Validar (or Basilio. I can't remember which) said that there were Grimleal spies watching Chrom wherever they went, and there's an armory on every map.
That actually does make a lot of sense. It would make sense that they change it to a more gender-ambiguous name.
+BigKlingy What about the grimleal spies part?
I don't think Basilio and Flavia join late because they were intended to be Spotpass characters. It's a long-standing tradition in the FE series to have the powerful leaders of a country join late in the game.
i thought the same too and also he switched places with gregor
one quick question is the paralogue where u get emmeryn after chapter 25 available in europe? cause on serene's forest it says NA data date:"insert data here" i dont remember the date and no EU data date
*bursts out laughing at the discovery of the shop keepers having Grima's Truth tomes* Oh, oh that's rich! ^o^
+Mew FanGirl that's the only reason the weapons break.
David Stephenson Probaby. ;)
these damn silver weapons beak so easily
Mew FanGirl "Hey there, I'm just your average devil-worshiping salesman. Ya wanna buy some explosive magic powered by our dark overlord Grima?"
Proto L "Uhhhh.... Im just gonna back away now.."
If the "Donnel" sprite only has a sword master then maybe it was his father who we would see die in his chapter instead of only knowing that he died.
Streeeeetch. His father was a commoner just like him, not a swordmaster
Phila.... it's a goddamn shame she wasn't a playable character, or had at least a bigger role in the story.
Such a beautiful character design, that amounts almost to nothing. What a fucking waste.
She atleast had a significant role
In FE fates Birthright Chapter 12 you get introduced to 2 characters
1st one is Kaden and the second one is layla.
The problem is that while Kaden joins your army, Layla just leaves after the chapter and is never mentioned ever again..
I mean why bother introducing a character who only gets like 1 minute of screen time only to be never seen or heard of again...ever.
I mean they could have just made her a Generic NPC and it would have been fine but they made a unique Design for her that makes her look like a playable character.
Its also a waste that they made such a good design for a character that only appears for less than a minute.
It always felt weird to me that they gave Layla a unique portrait. She's never even a unit on the map either.
BigKlingy Jep but i hope they atleast make her DLC what is probably very unlikely but i can dream right?
super konijn98 When I saw her, I thought she would've been one of those characters that appear more in Revelations, like Mikoto. I was so confused when she never appeared.
'Who could Andrea be a descendant from?' Roooooooyyyyyy!
I was thinking that too \(^o^)/ "Roy's our boi!"
"Ma' boi" ;)
I was thinking that
Ephraim I'd say
Roy is Ephraim's son
Michael Morrison checkmate Ninian fanboys?
Perhaps, and bare with me here, Andrea was Phila's original name and she was going to be a spotpass character (which i really wanted :( ) but then they were like "Nope, no Phila for you."
Phila would have been so awesome :(
Thats exactly what I was thinking.
old Gangrel has a similar color pallet to the final generic trickster classes. the coloring probably changed to help him stand out, or something.
In a perfect world they made portraits so we can see what the unused characters look like :P
They almost certainly never made it out of the planning stages, since there's no evidence of confessions, supports, portraits, not even concept art. Of course, it's entirely possible they could be repurposed for a future game. The Hauteclere axe from FE11 originated as an unused weapon name in....I think it was Path or Radiance or Radiant Dawn.
+BigKlingy About the crit screenshot: The japanese version, dunno why, has this kinda critical hit portrait used in the final game, but was changed during localization for unknown reasons :/
***** I've seen LOTS of Japanese Awakening footage, and it uses the same animation as the localized version.
BigKlingy
But I know from Shadowofchaos725, a very famous FE:A (and actually FE fan in general) player and youtuber (inside the community espically known for his love of a fictional character... Olivia from Awakening, but thats another story) that in his version (sinc he has sorta asian blood and reads kanji & katakana) these kidna screenshots are still present, like in the FE:Fates version that got released so far :)
BigKlingy
But I know from Shadowofchaos725, a very famous FE:A (and actually FE fan in general) player and youtuber (inside the community espically known for his love of a fictional character... Olivia from Awakening, but thats another story) that in his version (sinc he has sorta asian blood and reads kanji & katakana) these kidna screenshots are still present, like in the FE:Fates version that got released so far :)
Libra is not there. Maybe Leopold was his original name.
Name change ftw.
Yes Libra Senpai
That makes sense, considering Leopold is a traditionally masculine name and they wanted something more androgynous for Libra to fit with the joke of his gender ambiguity. (Although every time I hear Leopold... I think of Eugene Leopold from Evolution...) And maybe they decided "hey let's turn it into a zodiac joke" because Leo and Libra.
tfw the games data that the player cant even see hides spoilers better than smash 4
Sometimes the opposite is true though: Path of Radiance has a ton of spoilers hidden in unused data, like a portrait of a mysterious masked character matching another character's portrait exactly, and a certain NPC having the same stats, growth rates and affinity as the Black Knight.
I would also theorise that Sumia's change to Pegasus Knight is a call back to Marth and Shiida's relationship in the Akaneia games, i.e. a Lord marrying a Pegasus Knight.
Sumia in general is a call-back to that. (And it shows up quite a lot in the series, e.g. Tana in FE8 who even has blue hair. Sumia may be the first "Shiida" who's not a Princess though) I think she was always a Pegasus Knight though, Cavalier was probably planned as one of her other options, probably instead of Armour Knight.
Come to think of it, I just realised something. NONE of Chrom's potential love interests are royalty. This is...very strange by FE protagonist standards, who usually have AT LEAST one marriage option who's a royal of another nation.
It's hard to say whether "Shiida" can be considered an archetype. I usually view every starting Pegasus Knight as a "Shiida", regardless of whether they're royalty or not, or if they're part of a Pegasus Knight Trio or not.
Also, I think Chrom has no marriage options with royalty because Ylisse has so few nations, all of which don't seem to get along well with each other, so he's normally limited to looking into his own country for suitors.
I general I'd say the Shiida archetype is:
First Pegasus Knight to join. Emphasises Skill, Speed and Luck over Strength. (The second Pegasus to join is the "Catria", who has more Strength and Defence but less Speed)
They do have a tendancy to be a potential love interest for a Prince though:
-Shiida and Marth, obviously.
-Fury for Lewyn.
-Whoever the one was from FE5... I think they may have had a crush on Ced but I don't think that pairing is possible.
-Shanna for Roy (though Lilina is more similar to Shiida in terms of overall role in the plot, plus Lilina recruits a ton of random enemies just like Shiida did)
-Florina for Hector
-Vanessa for Innes
-Marcia is an exception
-Sumia for Chrom.
BigKlingy Clair from Gaiden also counts, though she marries Grey, a common villager.
Also, I'd say it's a stretch that Karin had feelings for Ced. The closest we get to this notion is that he gave her the Sety Scroll, which he's only supposed to give to his fiancée, but judging from the circumstances, that's not at all the meaning behind that event. Besides, Karin x Felgus is far more suggested.
One more thing: Does that make Catria from FE3/12 a "Shiida"? 'Cos you know, she joins first.
Catria still keeps her stat specialty, and Shiida keeps hers, so I still think they're in the same archetypes, just with Catria joining slightly earlier. (It's not like Shiida really joins LATE, after all)
my first playthrough of awakening i was hoping phila would join then she died :(
+Poke Link same and that general in the marsh mission. mustifa?
+venomx99x
I think the main reason Mustafa doesn't join is that he has a wife and child, which would mean the Avatar wouldn't be able to marry him, and the Avatar has to be able to marry every character.
+BigKlingy AH BULLSHIT REASON! He deserved to live more than Aversa and Gamgrel!
I feel that Awakening missed an opportunity when Phila wasn't reincarnated as one of the Dead Lords.
Fire Emblem Awakening Unused content hype
The armories having copies of Grima's Truth? WOW. I never noticed that. That is pretty funny
It's pretty much impossible to notice unless you can rip the textures. Every 3D Fire Emblem game has really detailed cover textures for every individual tome, it's just nearly impossible to see them in battle. You can get a good look at a few of them on Robin in Smash Bros though.
you still could've noticed because of the purple color of the books, but, then again, all dark magic books are purple, soooooo.............:(
So ... every armory has Grima's Truth?
Fuck this shit, I'm out.
XD
Makes sense to have swordmaster as a placeholder for a villager, as early villagers in Gaiden used swords
And they had a Swordmaster-like class as a promotion option too. They also had the interesting ability to loop their class line and effectively level up endlessly.
14:17 the last word is her saying "想っています"
Being that, she is saying "[...]but I'm always thinking of you."
Interesting. There are so many homophones in Japanese, so non-subtitled vocal dialogue can be hard for non-native speakers to pick up on sometimes.
I'm not on native level either by a long shot, but I have experience.
Should you need my help with Japanese stuff in the future, just contact me. =)
21:52 That is not a map! That is a smiley face! You can't lie to me!
I'm not sure if anyone corrected this, but enemy Priests actually do exist. They're enemies in some of the Bonus Box teams. The first one that comes to mind is Eirika's team under the Sacred Stones category.
That would make sense. I still wish that beta screenshot showing a Risen Priest existed. They're definately not in the final game.
(Makes sense Erika would have a Priest, for Moulder. I haven't really fought a lot of the Spotpass teams.)
Leopold would probably join chapter 7. My guess is he was replaced with the monarch that was there for about 12 seconds before getting himself killed.
The Swordmaster placeholder for a Villager promotion actually makes sense based on the promotion for Villager in Fates. Villager has Weapons Master as a promotion, which it shares with the Samurai (essentially Myrmidon), and the Samurai promotes to Trueblade (essentially Swordmaster) in Fates. It could be that Weapons Master was a planned class for Awakening, and that both Myrmidons and Villagers would promote to it. The Myrmidons may not have had Hero as a promotion, but instead their Hero sprites may have been place holders for the Weapons Master, the way the Swordmaster was a placeholder for Villagers.
Maybe. Though remember that Villagers could promote to a Swordmaster-like class in Gaiden as well. (Villager > Mercenary > Swordfighter > Dread Fighter > Villager again) Villager had other promotion options there but the Dread Fighter line is probably the most famous due to the loop.
20:33 What if Donnel was originally a Trainee? Awakening was planned as a final, loving farewell for the franchise, so reusing the Trainee system for Donnel would've made sense.
I think Andrea was supposed to be Phila.
Leopold could be Libra, so that's possible.
Phila dies, but returns as a Spotpass character ... sounds good.
The most people here are in the game, so the unknown characters could be people that actually are in the game.
So Tracie could be the Knight of Flavia, it would fit (between Henry and Lucina), because Flavia joined (well, not as a playable unit).
Maybe Andrea is Mist's descendant, and they were meant to join as a Pent/Louise-esque duo.
Lucina's confession seems to be for a theoretical marriage to "Marth", at least, in my opinion.
I think Tracie would have been a scout for Lucina. Maybe a daughter of a random family.
11:42 Beta Gangrel? Nah, P5’s Yusuke just found his way into Awakening 👀
With a nice hat.
Yusuke Is voice as the same person as Chrom too lol
I was think the same about andrea as BigKlingy said, another decendant of a lord and i just got the feeling as if it would of been a desendant of either erikia or ephraim.
I personally think Andrea could have been Lyn's decendant. I don't know why, but when you talked about Andrea that was the first thing that came to my mind.
Cool, some interesting content went unused in FEA. I'm still processing what it all means, speculation is so fun. Like always, I really enjoyed this video. I can't wait till the next bonus episode, great video BigKlingy!
I don't see Libra's name in the list of names... Is possible that Libra and Leopold are the same person? Perphaps Libra was planned to go in chapter 8 at first and no Gregor. That makes sense, because that chapter introduces the Grimleal to the player, and a Naga's priest opposite to that cult serves to see the diferences between this two. Pure especulation for my part.
Very interesting video. Good work, BigKlingy!
That actually does make a lot of sense. Having Gregor join in Chapter 9 would still fit too.
there was a really awkward moment to me in this video when talking about Tracie, sense that was what I named my female avatar when trying to unlock all S supports to complete the game. The chances of that!
I know this is probably wrong but could it be possible that Andrea was Flavia's child? Maybe in development Basilio and Flavia were able to marry each other and they scrapped Andrea so that the player wouldn't lose a character if they married Basilio as the female avatar?
(I don't agree with that but...) OMG THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AMZING!
+Jack Brown It can't be. Even if they could marry, in Lucina's timeline Basilio is dead, wich means no child.
Enaluxeme Wtf. Youre right. I understand if if Priam, Em , Gangrel, Flavia and the other spotpass characters because maybe they were found before fighting Grima and dying but Basilio? He was long dead before approaching Grima!
Say'ri definitely should have been a 1st gen female, because we have an excess of first gen males, especially with a male avatar thrown in the mix.
Nice video! Thanks for making it.
Maybe Leopold was a Barbarian because we never got one sadly unless you count class change or promoted Warriors that join.
My bet Gregor in ch.9 was Libra's role in the story and replaced Leopold whom was meant to lead Nowi to safety. Leopold may have been Libra who was just as soft-spoken and still saving Nowi and gregor being still blunt and wise attempting to save Emmeryn.
Andrea Descends From Alm (OR) Roy Confirmed!!!
I think you may have missed, the generic enemies actually have quite a few unused expressions; in game they only use three portraits- the default one, injured one, and Risen portrait.
but after the game's data was dumped, it's seen that all of the generics (at least the ones who have visible features) have 5 portraits: default, smiling, attacking, injured, Risen.
some have less, and some have more, either because of a duplicate or an extra expression (interestingly, I found the only generics to have an extra expression were female).
I dont know exactly what these expressions would have been used for; but if we look at Fates, the player character and enemy expression both change depending on whether you have an advantage or disadvantage. it seems Awakening was also going to implement this detail but decided not to.
you can look at some of the portraits I refer to here: www.spriters-resource.com/3ds/fireemblemawakening/sheet/64972/
a final thought: why doesn't the sorcerer class have any concept art?
Wow, amazing info, seriously this is so interesting. I can't believe CZcams auto-marked this as spam, just because it contained a link.
I think your explaination makes sense: they were going to implement changing expressions based on who had the advantage in a fight.
What I also find interesting is actually getting to see the "full" versions of these generic portraits, because the bottom screen cuts them off. These "full" portraits would normally be seen in dialogue, but I think Bandit, Priest, Assassin and Soldier are the only ones that actually appear like this. In particular, I really like the generic Wyvern Rider and Wyvern Lord full portraits, a shame you never get to see them in-game.
BigKlingy i got automarked as spam?? mmmmm MMM >:|||
yeah, you can tell a lot of work and detial was put into the generic enemies. I feel they have a lot of charm and maybe personality to an extent, it's kind of sad a lot of it is unused or goes unnoticed. so happy that Fates lets you recruit them
I really liked the generic class portraits in this game, definately a lot better than the ones from earlier FEs, which were just very vague drawings of the class rather than looking like actual people.
+Chen K I WAS LOOKING AT THE SHEET AND I FOUND A BALD GEROME POTRAIT
Kazumisama97 i think all the childrens and avatar portraits are bald because of the custom hair color lol
oh god, i can never look at armorers the same way again
The fact that you got to recruit Walhart and Yen’Fey, but not Pheros always seemed weird. Maybe Tracie was her original name, and she was meant to be story recruitable? But of course, the placing doesn’t make sense, as you get her before even fighting Say’ri. Idk,
Maybe the places of Swordmaster and Hero were switched on the class tree so Mercenary turns to swordmaster and Myrmidon becomes Hero
Good shit man. Gonna go binge watch some Fire Emblem Fates stuff on your channel.
Oh, here's something interesting - there's concept art for female Soldier class units
They actually appear in the CG cutscenes showing Lucina's future (the one who's about to get stabbed until Lucina says "I believe the woman you want... is me!"), but never anywhere else. Kind of interesting they'd create a class design for something that only appears in movies. Makes sense that characters in cutscenes would have concept art though.
You know, after some time, I think I know when Leopold would have joined!
I honestly think that Leopold would have joined in the chapter alongside Cordelia, but before joining, he would have been an enemy unit. More than likely, Leopold would have been an enemy unit because he would have been a Wyvern Rider working for the main enemy. However, once he talked to Chrom, or maybe even Cordelia, he would have joined the Ylissians.
I guess Andrea is Roy's descendent because Roy in Melee was super popular though that's my guess
Or Tracie could be a male... because not just females are named Tracy
It is possible, for the forgotten characters, that they were put in a certain order that was changed as the characters were scrapped. Tracie was probably scrapped because they wanted to keep the number of children at 12 and wanted to avoid confusion. Here are some etymology that might help with the personality of the scrapped characters:
Leopold is from leudi "people" + bald "bold" Or bold with people. Leudi was changed to Leo because it lion, which is an animal attributed to fire, gold and kingship.
Tracie can come from Theresa (could she be another healer?) or Thracius which means "from Thracia" Weird.
Andrea comes from greek, and it means "manly"
Tracie is one of the more interestin to me, as she would've had to have joined at some point in Chapter 13. Was she an NPC? She couldn't have been an enemy because they were all Risen...
Recruitable risens confirmed?
From Thracia? So Thracia would be in awakening, or at least one Thracian?
Personal thoughts: Leopold does indeed sound like a soldier name... Perhaps Awakening was supposed to be the return of the lanceman, instead of Fates?
Tracie... Well, I'm not sure. Just going by names, I feel that as a 1.5 character, perhaps she was going to be a sword user? Maybe Hero, or perhaps Paladin?
Andrea sounds interesting to me, as most seem to believe that this was Philia's name before it was changed. So, either she was indeed Philia, or she was soneone else... If it's the latter, I'm gonna go with her being a Sage.... Though, her being a descendant does sound intriguing... Maybe the descendant of Ephraim?
About the swordmaster sprites for Donnel possibly being a placeholder for a promotion of the Villager class. All special classes (dancer, manakete, taguel, villager, conqueror, grima (the class) and the DLC classes, Bride and Dread Fighter) all have 30 levels, and there is no promotion for these classes. And all of them, with the exception of Dancer and Villager, have stat caps similar to promoted classes. And while the lack of a lancer class for Donnel outside of Villager is disapointing, he is actually one of the most broken characters in the game once you can use a second seal on him and make him a mercenary. Good god, his luck stat, combined with Aptitude, makes for a broken character.
My theory was that, at one point, Villager was not a special class, it was a normal unpromoted class that had its own promotion. It stat caps being incredibly low could point to this.
And actually, Donnel is generally considered quite bad at a late-game level, as his caps besides Luck are all very low. So while he caps his stats quickly, once others cap all their stats they'll be much stronger than he is. And many second-gen characters can get Luck as high as his with Armsthrift while having better Strength and Speed. Donnel's main area of decency is during the midgame. Even then, he's pretty much unusable on Lunatic since it's nearly impossible to train him.
+BigKlingy one way to fix that is the limit breaker and all stat plus two skill
The same combination can be used on other people with better cap modifiers.
I always liked to assume the 3 secret characters were the children the kids of sayri tiki and flavia. And anna child wasent consider because unlike the others she had zero plot relavence.it seems far fetched but c'mon sayri child had to be considered. she's a main story character with tons of relevance. mabye they just wanted to push the 13 child metaphor.
Sayri and Tiki deserve children the most(out of the nonchildren women). Sayri would have a child like Gerome/Yenfay(cold and serous)and Tiki would have a child like Nah/Lucina(mature but goofy) omg I would ship that so hard.
bm4604 Given as the type of kid Sayri would(should) have have AND reminding Lonque of his old home country- yes. Theyd make an epic pair.
If Anna had a child, that child would end up being Anna, since all merchants are the same so would her child.
Morgan Turner Actually there would be a lot more potential to an Anna kid than that ;)
bm4604 I was so sad those characters didn't get kids.
I ran into a swordmaster Donnel on Street pass. Not sure if it would be successful for you but here goes. If you connect to an 3ds with an already Street pass team on your map, it will spawn a randomly generated crew. You'll see some weird combinations
Andrea could be like a descendant of Lyn or Ephraim
My personal theory for "Andrea" is that she was originally a descendant of Micaiah. However, due to the fact that Micaiah was a light mage, and with the exception of the Book of Naga, there is no light magic in the game, she was scrapped. Her scrapping could also have to deal with the fact that Emmeryn was a sage, so she might've been scrapped because the game designers didn't want to add two sages so late in the game, when only one appeared in the story.
What if Leopold and Tracie were early names for Linbra and Tharia I have no idea who Andrea is.
+Bark Tree no, because Tharja IS on the list
Okay thanks for pointing it out.
***** no problem. Tracie had to of been someone else
Andrea could be Phila
I love fire emblem games
I'm gonna admit chrom is really cute
If Leopold was libra's original name, then I wish they kept it. Leopold sounds beautiful, just like the woman he was an inch away from being lmao
roy our boy
I'm willing to believe that Leopold and Andrea are placeholder names for Libra and Aversa, respectively. Maybe their names were changed to meet a character count to avoid messing with the game.
Leopold as Libra is plausible since he isn't in the list. However, Aversa is actually on the list way before Andrea too.
My theory about Andrea is that she is also the descendant of a previous Fire Emblem protagonist, like Priam. Who, I'm not sure maybe one of the female protagonists, maybe Lynn or Titania? If the former, she's a Swordsmaster, if the latter, a Paladin.
As for Tracie, since she is between Henry and -Lucina- Marth, perhaps she is connected to Henry in some way? My theory is that she was intended to be his twin sister, but was later scrapped. I don't know why, but I think she seems like Henry's little sister to me. And since they're twins, they'd also have the same class sets.
This is so fun to think about. My artist senses are tingling.
Titania isn't a main character. But other than that, your theories make sense.
I want a descendant of Lyn in a future game
CoolDudeCobermai
I have a feeling we’ll see a character like that in the inevitable FE6 remake
I want a Fire emblem 7 remake as a future game
There's also an unused critical hit portrait of Gerome without his mask.
And a bit more unused voice clips, like Vaike saying "It's a Vaike-and-bake!" and Chrom calling Emmeryn "Emm" instead of "Sister".
Tracie or (Tracey if correctly translated) is a unisex name, so it could be a male as well. Something tells me that Leopold would have been the mercenary to appears with Nowi.
while Gregor would maybe have been the Barbarian class you get after that chapter or during it. As this is the only class in game that goes unused by your party in the final game.
All other Base classes (tier1) are someone's default class. I think when leopold was removed they turned Gregor into the mercenary, leaving Barbarian mostly unused.
When you think about the way Gregor's speaks, he just suits a Barbarian / brigand more than a mercenary.
Probably Andrea could've been a descendent from Celica, Lyn or Erika because they did it with Chrom and Lucina being the descendent of Marth and Priam being the descendant of Ike so who knows Andrea could've a descendant like Chrom, Lucina and Priam
Judging off of popularity the descendant might have been Roy's
um.... Tracie is a gender neutral name. No new child means Tracie could have been a male
Good to know, I didn't realise that at the time.
It's funny how the first song that you used in this video for the background music is actually the same tune used for Alm's first map theme in Echoes: Shadows of Valentia. I guess that the unused song ended up being remade into Echoes.
The unused song was a remix of a Gaiden song in the first place.
The butchering of the names are real
#ARMORERISGRIMUHHHCUMFIRMD
17:44 I was hoping that Lucina would have Tarquel or Manakete as at least a beta class, because I liked that Shigure can be a wolfskin or kitsune (I know Azura can marry anyone, but still), and I think that supports between Nowi and Chrom would be hilarious, and Panne and Chrom's supports would probably be very good and even heart breaking depending on the route taken, and would have been a cool option. (even if I don't ship them, and probable wouldn't have those Lucinas)
Andrea could have been the descendent of Roy, since he appeared in Smash Bros Melee...Or Lyndis...
22:43 this reminds me a lot of Morgan's recruitment map... XD
Weird when I hear a name like Leopold I picture something like Gangrel's beta design. I do wish we got trickster that somewhat matched the generic portrait more mostly because I like the design especially the one in Fates.
The thing about Donnel having Swordmaster makes me think the Villager class would've been more like it was in Fire Emblem Gaiden. In that game Villagers would randomly promote to either Mercenary, Soldier, Archer, Mage, or Cavalier. As you can see it was kind of broken being able to promote like four times. So I was thinking Donnel would've randomly promoted to either Hero, Warrior, Bow Knight, or Swordmaster (instead of giving him a first tier class he might've just went to second tier to avoid being as broken as Gaiden Villagers). I guess they just dropped the idea and made Villager a recruit-tier class.
Also you missed two minor things, the Dance ability was originally a skill and not just a command, probably changed so it wouldn't take one of her skill slots. And early images showed no unique outfits so your whole army wore blue except oddly enough Lisa whose map sprite matched her yellow dress.
Interesting vid, I've always been interested in the What Could Have Been when it comes to games and FE has a lot of cut content throughout the years. People are already finding cut content in Fates.
Oh right, forgot the Dance thing. I personally think there were originally plans to let Olivia use it when she wasn't a Dancer (possibly cut due to making the Dancer class pointless) AND let her pass it down to Inigo. (Removed because can't have two dancers at once or infitie exp. But they could have easily made it so Dance didn't work on people who had the Dance skill)
+BigKlingy on an related note have you seen the cut video shadowchoas made about two dancers? Belinda and Olivia!
Actually in reality Leopold might have been an beta name for libra
UnusedLucina confession sounds like a man, not a woman, or female teen.
@BigKlingy 4:30 Maybe Leopold was a placeholder name for Libra? Granted I am making that assumption based on what of the list you showed.
Tracie is also a male name. Could've been another 1st gen male, not necessarily a gen 1.5 female.
The male Priest portrait is actually used. On Eirika's spotpass team, she has a priest who is supposed to represent Moulder. He uses that generic Priest portrait. Risen priests never happen in skirmishes though. Unpromoted healer units actually NEVER appear as enemy units in this game (chapters, paralogues, and skirmishes anyway). The only healer units are promoted classes that can wield staves.
Just something I love; you can see the Brand in Lucina's left eye during her confession.
I wish Tiki had Pegasus Knight so she has some variation compared to Nowi. I'm actually glad they gave Aversa dark mage as it is a far superior class compared to mage. And lol Swordmaster Donnel would be insane. I wish Villager actually had a promotion in this game.
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Many people have pointed that out.
Many people pointed that out too. I just generally never messed with most of the Spotpass teams. Kind of weird that you never fight no-premoted healers outside of Spotpass/Streetpass though.
I guess they thought Galeforce Manaketes would be too broken? Though Nah can get it anyway, so I don't see the point. Giving Tiki and Nowi the exact same classes was pretty dumb.
Yeah, I wish they each had unique class sets completely (well aside from Manakete obviously). Maybe Pegasus and Mage for Tiki and Wyvern Rider and... Cleric for Nowi? Because Clerics in the series are usually depicted as small, fragile female characters and it'd go with how people think she's a small, young girl. I can just imagine Renewal on Nowi. That'd be insane.
Speaking of Renewal, I hope they bring back Imbue from RD. It was a really interesting skill... a Renewal in essence but it ran off of the user's magic stat with the stipulation that it can't be equipped to mages (which Elincia doesn't fall under which makes her INSANELY good). The only time I see them bringing back that skill is when skills are either just randomly given to characters or assigned with scrolls like in PoR. I can't see it being a class skill.
Imbue was actually really cool, though the one issue with it was that, at endgame levels, it totally outclasses Renewal, since even physical users could easily cap Magic via BEXP, and get around 20 HP healed per turn, much better than the percentage-based Renewal could ever do. And I didn't know it worked on Elincia. That's insane. I mean, she's already amazing in that game
It also works on Nasir (and the other dragons). So when he's transformed, he gets 48 HP PER TURN. Pretty insane.
Probably the only use for Ena's overkilled Magic stat too. (Seriously Ena, why. Better Magic than Strength on a physical class... at least Blood Tide is good.)
look at the concept art for walhart. one of them looks like garon.
Andrea...ironically the european name of the Avatar, Daraen, is an anagram of Andrea
Hey BigKlingy, this is irrelevant to this game, but wanted to tell you something.
They are making an expansion pack for Age of Empires 2, based on the various African civilizations. Thought I let you know about it since you are putting the LP in hiatus.
Also, have you ever played Age of Mythology, also made by the team who did the Age of Empires series? They also teased an expansion pack of it, likely adding the Chinese mythology.
As for this game, I think Donnel would have became a Swordmaster from the Mercenary class as a call back to how Mercenaries (as Swordfighter in FE4/5) becoming both a Hero and Swordmaster.
How'd this end up auto-marked as spam? Stupid CZcams.
Didn't know all of that, but I have played Age of Mythology. Not the HD re-release though. It's pretty cool, and it's actually aged surprisingly well. I played most of the campaign but haven't got around to playing the expansion. Apparently the Atlanteans are weird and kind of broken. I wish they'd added another real world culture though instead of a semi-fictional one. (Though apparently Atlenteans use the "pre-Greek" gods like Gaia and Chronos, which sounds interesting)
10:22 You do realize that portrait was used in the spotpass battle with Eirika.
I didn't. I'd never summoned Eirika's Spotpass team.
The Risen version of that portrait is still totally unused though.
Also, here's the picture for the risen priest: fireemblemwiki.org/w/images/thumb/8/89/Generic_portrait_priest_risen_fe13.png/100px-Generic_portrait_priest_risen_fe13.png
noires original map looks like wellspring of truth ans yenfays looks like ruins of time
The first one seemed kind of iffy to me. Why would they have the names for the English versions of the scrapped characters if they were cut early on?
Maybe Phila was Andrea or Tracie, and Leopold is probably Libra like you pointed out.
Aversa being a able to be recruited during the main campaign would've made a lot of sense though, considering the history with Robin. But it also makes sense why it was scrapped, bc it probably came off as unnecessary and clunky in the main story.
That being said, it still doesn't answer my first question. Did they start translation before the game was done? Or were those notes just translated?
I think the list of names was ripped from the English version. Sometimes, translators are given scripts with no way of knowing what is used and what isn't. I've been on a fan translation before, so I can tell you the way names and scripts are stored in a game's data often isn't logical, so it's difficult to tell where the unused content is: sometimes it appears in the middle of used content, and often NOT translating it could screw up the game. I've even heard of cases where unused dialogue actually gets dubbed (Persona 4), voice actors probably wouldn't have any way of knowing what's unused.
In some cases the translators DO find the unused content, all the unused weapons and items in FE7 have their names as "DUMMY" in the English version. Maybe here they just didn't realise, or thought these names belonged to NPCs or something.
The thing that still confuses me is Tracie's placement though: like I said in the video, between Henry and "Marth" i.e. Lucina doesn't make sense unless either another character joined in Chapter 13, or Lucina joined later.
did he just say Walhart is descended from Alm
He is tho
i believe leopold was the beta name for libra because it right next to nowi which means some where in development leopold switched places with gregor and was later renamed libra anyway thats just my view on it
Libra being recruited in Nowi's chapter would make much more sense than Gregor being the one to save Now since it kinda fits in with Libra's character and Gregor would have been working for the Plegians as a mercenary in the next chapter and you would have to recruit him somehow
Libra being recruited in Nowi's chapter would make much more sense than Gregor being the one to save Now since it kinda fits in with Libra's character and Gregor would have been working for the Plegians as a mercenary in the next chapter and you would have to recruit him somehow
+Shulkle EX (Vizron) yeah it would had made better sense
I feel like, "I can't say I love you" is perfect punishment for breaking the bro code an marrying BFF Chrom's baby girl.
Could "Leopold" be an unused name for Libra? 'Cause Libra is no were to be found on the list, and Leopold's name is around were Libra joined and those names are very similar.
It's likely. A lot of other comments have pointed that out.
BigKlingy I just recognized that Libra had no name on the list, then I tried to look for other characters not on the list. But Libra happened to be the only one.
If Mercenaries promoted to Swordmasters, then I think Thieves would have promoted to Bow Knight and they wouldn't have to create the Trickster class, which I would have been fine with personally.
+nisenoramen Outlaws(thieves in FE: Fates) promotes to bow knight
+Kazumisama97 Honestly I always predicted they'd promote to Warriors. I mean, the Bow part of Warriors has to come from somewhere, right? They I learned Warriors were removed from Fates, it only has Berserkers.
I think Andrea should be the decndet of of Sigard/Selief. (And from the confession, I think Luciana was planned to be a guy)
The main reason I didn't mention that is Chrom is already implied to be descended from those two, since the Brand of the Exalt is heavily implied to be the Mark of Naga. (Seliph's conversation at the end of Lost Bloodlines 3 basically confirms it)
BigKlingy Your theory about the Elibe games make sense. Maybe Eliwood/Roy or Ephraim/Erika from sacred stones?
Regarding what you said about Lucina, I don't think that's true. The beta voice, even though it sounds very flat, is still clearly a girl's voice. They're just called "Marth" in the data because that's the only way the game can treat them as the same character as Masked Marth. I'm pretty sure Lucina was planned out very early into the development.
+BigKlingy Makes allot of sense
Tracie, maybe a Plegian? I need to make something for this...
I'm gonna have to say that I haven't ever seen Chrom's Japanese confession before, but I like it better than the english one. It sounds like he calls me a fart!
The second part of the English confession is basically the same as the Japanese, but they went way too over the top with making the first part sound flowery and it ended up sounding incredibly corny.
I've been looking through all the Japanese confessions while making this video, and weirdly enough some of the English ones almost feel like parodies of the Japanese ones, or at least meta-humour for those who've seen the Japanese confessions. (e.g. Japanese Stalh says "I'll never take my eyes off you again" completley seriously. The English version adds "unless I'm about to run into a wall." I almost feels like a joke by the translators that somehow made it into the final script.)
Stahl's confession is best, its hilarious and the exact thing I expect from English Stahl
Andrea is probably Roy or Lyn.
Andrea and Phil’s are a pretty close theory but since it’s next to Priam who from radiant dawn or path of radiance does anyone think it could be? One guess I have is mist/Boyd. The other could be Micaiah/Sothe, maybe another child could be someone from a different game all together or most likely a a character who changed their name
I know im coming to this years later, but do you have a source on where you found out Gangrel's portrait is an unused placeholder for Morgan? On TCRF Wiki it states that its simply an unused leftover and nothing more
This video predated the TCRF info on this game, so that might've taken precedence. Most of my info here comes from Serenes Forest, although the page in question is hard to find now, as it was a News page rather than part of their Unused Content section.
I don't really know if this is a spoiler but the early art for Walhart kinda reminds me of Garon from Fates, sorry if that's a spoiler for Fates but most people know what Garon looks like I assume
I think Garon may have been based on that concept art, possibly.