Great job, Sean, keep trying to get this message through, you're cutting edge in this country with this. The arc to arc old guard are fighting tooth and nail to reject recognizing pivoting as a legitimate transition technique when truth of the contrary is being provided pervasively by the best in the world.
When you have to respect a trayectory, you must do what is necesary... but whenever they can do it, they link turns, edging, and pressuring without pivoting.
Focus on the rotation action of the thighs in this video. Imagine the legs being flexed 90 degrees with the thighs parallel to the ground and the feet being suspended or hanging underneath. If the thighs or femurs are then rotated, the feet will move sideways. This is what is demonstrated in the video. Every racer that Sean Warman shows has either lost contact with the snow or is very light on the snow due to aggressive flexing action, hopping action, or rebound action from skis releasing out of the previous turn. The thighs are rotated while in the "light" phase and the feet move out to the side resulting in tipped or edged skis. This is a very "fast" way to change edges. Faster than focusing on tipping action of the feet and ankles alone, and way faster than focusing on having the hips and upper body move down hill to the inside of the turn. All three actions can take place in the initiation of a turn, but focus on femurs is a kicker and adds to the speed of the edge change as well as increased edge angle. Without very flexed legs first, focus on rotation of the femurs has little effect on edge change. If the feet are also pulled back immediately after the rotation of the femurs, the skier will experience instant edge grab or engagement of the ski tips. A great way to control fore/aft balance. I can't thank you enough Sean for posting this video. I got a lot out of it. The racers I coach were able to improve immediately and dramatically.
Your racers must be really good to understand the way you talk about "rotating thighs and or femurs". Just kidding! Active absortion can be done, when necesary, by "pulling up" the downside foot or both feet. The later will produce a loose of contact, while the first option may allow to pressure the top of the turn on the new edge of the upside ski. If you are late, both feet is better. if not, I would take the first option. Still the most performing way, when is posible, is to roll the downside ski onto the new edge, there for releaseing the CM for a flowing crossing. By the way: we could find vbideos that will justify JUST ABOUT ANYTHING.
@@justyolivieri5807 I agree we can find videos to justify anything. I actually gave an indoor presentation highlighting this fact. It started as a spoof that the "new move" in ski racing was to have the arms back and had many photos to illustrate this. The point was; does it occur in all the disciplines of skiing? Have we seen it over the past 10, 20, 30, 40 years? I have spent over 10 years reviewing footage of world class skiers with world class coaches and skiers. I look for movements that repeat over time with the top skiers in the world. I also have discussions with these athletes and their coaches. Furthermore I am trying to identify causes not outcome, or at least identify the difference. And in some cases understand how a movement can be a cause and an outcome. As far as retracing feet, or pulling up feet, or simply flexing; if this is done WITHOUT A) keeping the chest and pelvis pointed to the next apex, and B) the legs turning or tipping into the new turn the skier will be behind his/her feet.
@@1spwarman If the absortion movement is initiated by actively pulling the Cm down, you are on the dot. If you start the movement by "pulling your feet up (back), the "chest" will move down and forward to compensate. this is done when the trajectory took you "lower" than where you need to be to start your next turn, so you use the "unloaded moment to re position your skis "higher" than if you tried to link....Hey I like this type of exchange, with someone that understands!!! There are few of you arround!!!
Of course it takes tremendous lower body strength, skill, and coordination to make even one good turn. Repeating that 50 times in a row on a steep, undulating, icy course requires utmost dedication to training on and off the snow. The video can be a tremendous help to young racers so that they are practicing from a structurally correct standpoint. The strength, timing etc. will happen after a few years of practice. Seeing "how it's done" is a great start.
Wow - this is brilliant - slo-mo at the very time it is needed - the transition. Brilliant HD quality - any chance of further videos? This helps learning far better than pages of words, pictures or a coach pushing the latest dogma. Thanks for posting - please Sir, may we have some more?
Thank you. I will continue to add as I have time. I am a coach and program director for a race team and develop them when needed for my athletes. I share them with fellow coaches and instructors to they can also use them. They are extremely time-consuming so unfortunately, I do not get to make as many as I would like.
Excelent compilation of the best skiers absorving the Inflexion point, with the downside ski, to allow the CM to cross fluidly, while seeking pressure on the new edge of the upside ski,. I called it upside and downside so there is not confusion about ouside/ inside... When you ski "at the limit", the important aspect is NOT WHAT WE SEE AS RESULT OF THE ACTIONS, BUT WHAT WAS INTENDED. When we analise this, we only see the archived result, not the intented result. I doubt that they try to loose contact, but...
Fantastic teaching. Thank you so very much. Has anyone thought of putting this type of filming into a ski simulator of some type? I'm an engineer and am already dreaming of a simulator that could have me learning and practicing while mimicking the moves of the greats. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and my experience is that no teacher can adequately explain what I have just seen in your wonderful video. Again thank you.
Yes I have had that discussion with some of my colleagues. Unfortunately, the return on investment did not pan out. As a professional in the ski education business that aspect does need to work for us.
@@1spwarman I understand completely. Nothing however replaces the out in the mountain teaching. What I'm suggesting is a simulator machine that can be used during the off season. Rather than being an economic challenge to educators it could open up a whole new way of earning money in summer. One idea would be to have the ski simulator in gyms with a ski pro giving pointers and teaching to improve technique. Much like a personal trainer works in the gym with their client. I am sure gyms in the demographic areas with a good number of skiers would benefit from this new type of skiing training equipment. I should keep my mouth shut rather than laying out for all to see a new ski education business model. But I love the sport too much not to share my thoughts. Again great teaching video. Thank you.
@@bellavoice I do not think you should keep your moth shut. reach out and see if you can find interested people to make it happen. they are popular in place like Great Britain, Denmark etc. The Danish Team had one at an Interski event I attended in Switzerland. I did know someone who had one in the US but he could not make any $$. But maybe with the right partners and business plan it could work.
How funny, I was on the National Alpine Team and represented the US at the Interski in Switzerland and have a picture of the Danish on the ramp! Thanks for the great ideas. As for your comment - - - - As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and my experience is that no teacher can adequately explain what I have just seen in your wonderful video - - - - - For sure words cannot always convey what we are trying to teach. I started making videos for kids I coached in the late 90's and this led to me making ski educational videos.
The rolling of the legs is causing from the mass going forward during transition.. at best we can articulate our feet to help flatten skis or edge skis but the rolling of our femurs is purely subconscious result and response to separation..
Uh....no...it is primarily from changing the tilt of the pelvic bone. Your theory that fore aft movement translates to the side to side movement in the legs (femur pivot in the hip sockets) makes zero sense. To understand the importance and impact of hip leveling (change in pelvic bone tilt) watch Mikaela Hip Hike GS. One of the reasons MS has the best transition is she understands and works on hip leveling and range of motion in pelvic bone tilt.
No, BOTH legs rotate.... so no wedge. Let's be realistic, this is not the only movements occurring. There are several critical movements going on, and these skiers are very good at them all. By the way, we see a wege often in SL. But that's another video for another time.
Very good demo and explanation. The acerbic criticism is misplaced because it is in my humble opinion a misinterpretation both of what is in demo and commentary. Maximum efficiency will be achieved when there is perfect balance over the centre of pressure. How to get into and maintain that position is a combination of disposition of trunk (the bulk of a skiers mass)and the lever /support contact with the ground..The common teacher advice to stand like a soccer goalkeeper for example is misleading. He is about to radically change his positioning of his torso; a skier is not. He is radically changing his base of support. Some pupils will misinterpret and lurch into what they see as an appropriate upper body position and not get efficient support from their legs ,and others will as instructed be so concerned about turning their feet that they forget about the upper body and usually then swing it around to recover balance. This demo is such a good illustration of lightness and mobility of lower body movement to maintain balance and control of direction that if our intermediates watched that between pints in the evening tthey would try to ski quite differently in the morning. Most learners react better to visual image but in fast moving activity what they think they see has to be explained. Do you remember how no one at the time understood what Jack Nicklaus was talking about when he advised playing with soft hands.? But I don’t have your experience guys so if I am talking rubbish you can say so.
Good input. There are many things that contribute to what is happening, such as immortal athletic talent and physical capacity! Add a strong core that allows them to maintain separation when not connected to the ground, as well as several critical movements that relate to maintaining separation. Not to mention actions of the feet, pole swing, arm position, independent leg action, angulation of the pelvis and spine, leveling of the shoulders ... etc. Its just a couple moments in time that demonstrate the upper legs (femur) rotate during the transition. And again, this is not the end all of skiing, just an important component. We all need to have some aspect of this movement in our skiing for us to be effective on the snow.
Perfect just what we wanted to see. Now I get 2 bits. The legs are doing exactly what you want because they are carrying the mass of the body to where it needs to be, tipping the new ski as the result or goal. So why not spend more time talking about good body projection, proactive body etc. About half way through a good carve as your skis start recoiling your upper body is already getting the message as to how aggressively it's going to be moving over the skis for the next turn this is where good turn mechanics start and a partial reason why some techniques don't use the transition edge change as the first phase of a turn
Great input. body position is critical! Most importantly not allowing the hips to follow the skis at the end. I breakdown the learning into segments. Legs turning first, then address pelvis, then shoulders. Lastly hands and arms. Ground up center out approach. I have posted videos on the upper body, but probably time for a new one. Thanks again
Excuse me, but I must disagree with "your legs are doing exactly what you want......... because they are carrying the mass of the body......to be" , The skis, (vehicles) are carrying the body mass, including the legs. The bio-mechanisms triggered by the visual, kinestetic and vestibular input, are the result of training many situations and been able to subconsciously pick the best solution for a given situation. If you "wnat to do it", you are late. Make your body and your head, of course (jajaj), the smart part of a sistem that can work in a (and here I agree with your wording) pro- active manner.. Good mechanics should start at the starting gate!!!
A significant reason why someone might not learn anything from this. Every sequence starts too late in the turn. From the middle of a turn the various rotations and movement of the upper body over the skis all start about 10 frames earlier. This upper body movement in conjunction with balance and rotational components and extension finally launch the new edge. You are not showing enough.
The rotation of the femur is the end result of other things happening, not the focus of the turn. When you want to start a new turn, you stop your upper body from crossing the hill with the skis and put it back in the fall line. The continued momentum of the feet allows the skis to continue traveling across the slope. That creates the leg angle change which rotates the femur. Because the upper body is rotated to face down the hill, the feet will rotate to align with the upper body when your weight is removed from the inside edge of the downhill foot. You have to go beyond what it looks like and think about what it actually is. Focus on the physics and engineering of skiing to understand what it really is and then create a simple teaching method to teach it.
Beautifully shot. The racer transition in extreme turns is very poorly understood/explained, with downright falsehoods about arc to arc propagated when it is blatantly untrue.
Mikaela does the best job keeping skis on the snow, which is the ideal.
Great job, Sean, keep trying to get this message through, you're cutting edge in this country with this. The arc to arc old guard are fighting tooth and nail to reject recognizing pivoting as a legitimate transition technique when truth of the contrary is being provided pervasively by the best in the world.
Thank you. its seems obvious to me.
When you have to respect a trayectory, you must do what is necesary... but whenever they can do it, they link turns, edging, and pressuring without pivoting.
@@justyolivieri5807 Absolutely!
Focus on the rotation action of the thighs in this video. Imagine the legs being flexed 90 degrees with the thighs parallel to the ground and the feet being suspended or hanging underneath. If the thighs or femurs are then rotated, the feet will move sideways. This is what is demonstrated in the video. Every racer that Sean Warman shows has either lost contact with the snow or is very light on the snow due to aggressive flexing action, hopping action, or rebound action from skis releasing out of the previous turn. The thighs are rotated while in the "light" phase and the feet move out to the side resulting in tipped or edged skis.
This is a very "fast" way to change edges. Faster than focusing on tipping action of the feet and ankles alone, and way faster than focusing on having the hips and upper body move down hill to the inside of the turn. All three actions can take place in the initiation of a turn, but focus on femurs is a kicker and adds to the speed of the edge change as well as increased edge angle.
Without very flexed legs first, focus on rotation of the femurs has little effect on edge change.
If the feet are also pulled back immediately after the rotation of the femurs, the skier will experience instant edge grab or engagement of the ski tips. A great way to control fore/aft balance.
I can't thank you enough Sean for posting this video. I got a lot out of it. The racers I coach were able to improve immediately and dramatically.
good input Richard... thanks
Your racers must be really good to understand the way you talk about "rotating thighs and or femurs". Just kidding! Active absortion can be done, when necesary, by "pulling up" the downside foot or both feet. The later will produce a loose of contact, while the first option may allow to pressure the top of the turn on the new edge of the upside ski. If you are late, both feet is better. if not, I would take the first option. Still the most performing way, when is posible, is to roll the downside ski onto the new edge, there for releaseing the CM for a flowing crossing. By the way: we could find vbideos that will justify JUST ABOUT ANYTHING.
@@justyolivieri5807 I agree we can find videos to justify anything. I actually gave an indoor presentation highlighting this fact. It started as a spoof that the "new move" in ski racing was to have the arms back and had many photos to illustrate this. The point was; does it occur in all the disciplines of skiing? Have we seen it over the past 10, 20, 30, 40 years? I have spent over 10 years reviewing footage of world class skiers with world class coaches and skiers. I look for movements that repeat over time with the top skiers in the world. I also have discussions with these athletes and their coaches. Furthermore I am trying to identify causes not outcome, or at least identify the difference. And in some cases understand how a movement can be a cause and an outcome. As far as retracing feet, or pulling up feet, or simply flexing; if this is done WITHOUT A) keeping the chest and pelvis pointed to the next apex, and B) the legs turning or tipping into the new turn the skier will be behind his/her feet.
@@1spwarman If the absortion movement is initiated by actively pulling the Cm down, you are on the dot. If you start the movement by "pulling your feet up (back), the "chest" will move down and forward to compensate. this is done when the trajectory took you "lower" than where you need to be to start your next turn, so you use the "unloaded moment to re position your skis "higher" than if you tried to link....Hey I like this type of exchange, with someone that understands!!! There are few of you arround!!!
@@justyolivieri5807 Thanks!
Of course it takes tremendous lower body strength, skill, and coordination to make even one good turn. Repeating that 50 times in a row on a steep, undulating, icy course requires utmost dedication to training on and off the snow. The video can be a tremendous help to young racers so that they are practicing from a structurally correct standpoint. The strength, timing etc. will happen after a few years of practice. Seeing "how it's done" is a great start.
Wow - this is brilliant - slo-mo at the very time it is needed - the transition. Brilliant HD quality - any chance of further videos? This helps learning far better than pages of words, pictures or a coach pushing the latest dogma. Thanks for posting - please Sir, may we have some more?
Thank you. I will continue to add as I have time. I am a coach and program director for a race team and develop them when needed for my athletes. I share them with fellow coaches and instructors to they can also use them. They are extremely time-consuming so unfortunately, I do not get to make as many as I would like.
I understand - I wouldn't have a clue how to start. Quality takes time. Looking forward to more!
Excelent compilation of the best skiers absorving the Inflexion point, with the downside ski, to allow the CM to cross fluidly, while seeking pressure on the new edge of the upside ski,. I called it upside and downside so there is not confusion about ouside/ inside... When you ski "at the limit", the important aspect is NOT WHAT WE SEE AS RESULT OF THE ACTIONS, BUT WHAT WAS INTENDED. When we analise this, we only see the archived result, not the intented result. I doubt that they try to loose contact, but...
Good input
Fantastic teaching. Thank you so very much. Has anyone thought of putting this type of filming into a ski simulator of some type? I'm an engineer and am already dreaming of a simulator that could have me learning and practicing while mimicking the moves of the greats. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and my experience is that no teacher can adequately explain what I have just seen in your wonderful video. Again thank you.
Yes I have had that discussion with some of my colleagues. Unfortunately, the return on investment did not pan out. As a professional in the ski education business that aspect does need to work for us.
@@1spwarman I understand completely. Nothing however replaces the out in the mountain teaching. What I'm suggesting is a simulator machine that can be used during the off season. Rather than being an economic challenge to educators it could open up a whole new way of earning money in summer. One idea would be to have the ski simulator in gyms with a ski pro giving pointers and teaching to improve technique. Much like a personal trainer works in the gym with their client.
I am sure gyms in the demographic areas with a good number of skiers would benefit from this new type of skiing training equipment.
I should keep my mouth shut rather than laying out for all to see a new ski education business model. But I love the sport too much not to share my thoughts.
Again great teaching video. Thank you.
@@bellavoice I do not think you should keep your moth shut. reach out and see if you can find interested people to make it happen. they are popular in place like Great Britain, Denmark etc. The Danish Team had one at an Interski event I attended in Switzerland. I did know someone who had one in the US but he could not make any $$. But maybe with the right partners and business plan it could work.
How funny, I was on the National Alpine Team and represented the US at the Interski in Switzerland and have a picture of the Danish on the ramp! Thanks for the great ideas.
As for your comment - - - - As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and my experience is that no teacher can adequately explain what I have just seen in your wonderful video - - - - -
For sure words cannot always convey what we are trying to teach. I started making videos for kids I coached in the late 90's and this led to me making ski educational videos.
The rolling of the legs is causing from the mass going forward during transition.. at best we can articulate our feet to help flatten skis or edge skis but the rolling of our femurs is purely subconscious result and response to separation..
Uh....no...it is primarily from changing the tilt of the pelvic bone. Your theory that fore aft movement translates to the side to side movement in the legs (femur pivot in the hip sockets) makes zero sense. To understand the importance and impact of hip leveling (change in pelvic bone tilt) watch Mikaela Hip Hike GS. One of the reasons MS has the best transition is she understands and works on hip leveling and range of motion in pelvic bone tilt.
Non vedo l'ora di vedere lo sci in TV spero che non ci privino anche di questo.
Thanks for commenting, but can you translate?
"Rotate, to change the edge". Would there not be a wedge present if they rotated?
No, BOTH legs rotate.... so no wedge. Let's be realistic, this is not the only movements occurring. There are several critical movements going on, and these skiers are very good at them all. By the way, we see a wege often in SL. But that's another video for another time.
Very good demo and explanation. The acerbic criticism is misplaced because it is in my humble opinion a misinterpretation both of what is in demo and commentary. Maximum efficiency will be achieved when there is perfect balance over the centre of pressure. How to get into and maintain that position is a combination of disposition of trunk (the bulk of a skiers mass)and the lever /support contact with the ground..The common teacher advice to stand like a soccer goalkeeper for example is misleading. He is about to radically change his positioning of his torso; a skier is not. He is radically changing his base of support. Some pupils will misinterpret and lurch into what they see as an appropriate upper body position and not get efficient support from their legs ,and others will as instructed be so concerned about turning their feet that they forget about the upper body and usually then swing it around to recover balance.
This demo is such a good illustration of lightness and mobility of lower body movement to maintain balance and control of direction that if our intermediates watched that between pints in the evening tthey would try to ski quite differently in the morning. Most learners react better to visual image but in fast moving activity what they think they see has to be explained. Do you remember how no one at the time understood what Jack Nicklaus was talking about when he advised playing with soft hands.? But I don’t have your experience guys so if I am talking rubbish you can say so.
Good input. There are many things that contribute to what is happening, such as immortal athletic talent and physical capacity! Add a strong core that allows them to maintain separation when not connected to the ground, as well as several critical movements that relate to maintaining separation. Not to mention actions of the feet, pole swing, arm position, independent leg action, angulation of the pelvis and spine, leveling of the shoulders ... etc. Its just a couple moments in time that demonstrate the upper legs (femur) rotate during the transition. And again, this is not the end all of skiing, just an important component. We all need to have some aspect of this movement in our skiing for us to be effective on the snow.
"Patience"...? After AC/DC?
yes
awesome buddy!
Thank You
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Perfect just what we wanted to see. Now I get 2 bits. The legs are doing exactly what you want because they are carrying the mass of the body to where it needs to be, tipping the new ski as the result or goal. So why not spend more time talking about good body projection, proactive body etc. About half way through a good carve as your skis start recoiling your upper body is already getting the message as to how aggressively it's going to be moving over the skis for the next turn this is where good turn mechanics start and a partial reason why some techniques don't use the transition edge change as the first phase of a turn
Great input. body position is critical! Most importantly not allowing the hips to follow the skis at the end. I breakdown the learning into segments. Legs turning first, then address pelvis, then shoulders. Lastly hands and arms.
Ground up center out approach. I have posted videos on the upper body, but probably time for a new one. Thanks again
Excuse me, but I must disagree with "your legs are doing exactly what you want......... because they are carrying the mass of the body......to be" , The skis, (vehicles) are carrying the body mass, including the legs. The bio-mechanisms triggered by the visual, kinestetic and vestibular input, are the result of training many situations and been able to subconsciously pick the best solution for a given situation. If you "wnat to do it", you are late. Make your body and your head, of course (jajaj), the smart part of a sistem that can work in a (and here I agree with your wording) pro- active manner.. Good mechanics should start at the starting gate!!!
A significant reason why someone might not learn anything from this. Every sequence starts too late in the turn. From the middle of a turn the various rotations and movement of the upper body over the skis all start about 10 frames earlier. This upper body movement in conjunction with balance and rotational components and extension finally launch the new edge. You are not showing enough.
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The rotation of the femur is the end result of other things happening, not the focus of the turn. When you want to start a new turn, you stop your upper body from crossing the hill with the skis and put it back in the fall line. The continued momentum of the feet allows the skis to continue traveling across the slope. That creates the leg angle change which rotates the femur. Because the upper body is rotated to face down the hill, the feet will rotate to align with the upper body when your weight is removed from the inside edge of the downhill foot. You have to go beyond what it looks like and think about what it actually is. Focus on the physics and engineering of skiing to understand what it really is and then create a simple teaching method to teach it.
you are old
@@1spwarman Why didn't you explain were and how I am wrong or even defend your position?
Sembra facile.....
Beautifully shot. The racer transition in extreme turns is very poorly understood/explained, with downright falsehoods about arc to arc propagated when it is blatantly untrue.
Good point Peter