What's Going On With EV Chargers?
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- You may have read headlines about EV chargers being under attack due to the copper they contain. But as soon as you start to scratch beneath the surface, it makes no sense. So to find out what's going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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Do not underestimate these people. There is a whole industry in copper theft
True, I work in a factory, its been broken into twice for copper theft this year, both times it was overrun in campervans don't know how many turned up the first time but the second there were at least 40 campervans, they have even turned up and shut the place down while there are workers on site.
A new housing estate by us keeps getting the copper piping stolen from the houses
Yep, when I worked on a radio station, a local Mercury radio station had a large number of 6-8 ft lengths of aerial feeder cut from an antenna array…..my dad was also a security officer on a council estate modernisation, copper piping and hot water cylinders were very popular.
@@Kevin-dp1vy WTF they using copper for in houses? I thought they had switched to plastic tears ago.
They do not melt it down, they just build a bonfire at night and burn off the insulation, the police have a good idea who they are and so do the scrap yards. You are not supposed to get cash from a licensed scrap yard any more, but I am sure some still do pay.
I see Osprey have used water markers on their equipment. If scrap dealers don't ask I guess you don't tell them. It's another reason chargers should be in forecourts not in dark remote unattended areas.
The police tackling crime? Nah, not going to happen. As long as they stick to the speed limit, the police aren't interested.
One way would be an ANPR system that only allows EV's into a fenced off area with rising bollards.
Another would be wireless charging, something I can see being standard not very far in the future. It would also make on street charging much easier.
I am from Africa where copper theft has been such a problem for so long that many companies resorted to satellite communications just to get reliable links between offices in the same office park.
They need to make the cables permanently live; they'll only try it once.
Unfortunately not, there's been cable thefts on live cables while in use, like all electrical equipment they have safety devices that cut power in an instant, you get a quick flash and then its dead that's nothing to specialised insulated tools.
A very loud alarm rigged up to go off when cable cut would not hurt.
Stolen plates on stolen vans. That’s why
Its reported that you can nick £200 from a shop and not get done. Law and order has fallen apart and its gonna get worse.
deliberately to destroy normal people and make cost of living higher... and destroy stuff.
It is ilegal to pay in cash and the seller has to be IDd. The law is The Scrap Metal Dealers Act (SMDA) 2013
You assume that a licence scrappie is the recipient. Lots of scope for "washing" before laundering in the chain.
There's a reason we can't have nice stuff.
I would put rising bollards on the area triggered by cable cutting.
It goes the same way as the stolen cars and everything else by container via the docks to abroad.
Cheers Dave
This goes on all the time. Another example is FTTC broadband. Thieves literally tie the copper from a cabinet or access point to a high vehicle, then drive it out of the ground. This takes out entire towns for days, leaving them with no broadband. Supposedly BT/Openreach have implemented some sort of DNA check that is supposed to help them identify the culprits. I have no idea how successful this will be but needless to say, they do not care in the slightest leaving potentially thousands of customers with no phone or broadband for days. It's quite a lengthy process to repair.
Why don't we just leave the cable powered? Anyone hacking trough a 415v 150kw live cable will only do that once.
Insulated gloves, wellies and tools. Plus, if a charger doesn't cut-out when someone's being electrocuted it shouldn't be in service.
Likely the same people stealing catalytic converters from hybrids. Cat thefts have been happening for many years now and the same points you raised were also raised then. The problem never really got tackled hence the increasing rates of that theft. Its safe to say, cable theft will only continue and become another plague. The very few that are arrested are usually Eastern Europeans nationals, so that couple of hundred pounds may not sound like much but it is to some people.
Wrap the cables with kevlar. It's a bugger to cut through!
Used to be Railway signalling and earthing cable from the trackside trenches, they are rapidly switching to digital signalling over fibre, so that source is drying up. The amount from chargers is miniscule in comparison, and not the bulk business in the Railway thefts.
Police don't even respond to burglaries, what makes you think they'll give a toss about copper cables ?
Great video
😂🤣😂
They don’t have to melt it down, they just need to burn the insulation off. It then becomes untraceable.
ANPR won’t be much use.
If they are prepared to drive up and nick the cables then they will have already nicked/cloned someone’s number plate .
Will probably also have filled up and driven off without paying for fuel (one that stolen plate).
It also happens to signalling cables on the railways.
Pepper spray UV bomb which goes off when the cables are cut through..
They tend to cut cables from chargers not in use so there wouldn't be any vehicles to get covered (not that it would matter if the vehicle did get covered in it because it's UV)
Any company making control panels will generate scrap copper from off-cuts of cable, we used to get scrap dealers coming around wanting to buy it. Once the insulation is stripped off all the copper looks the same, so it would be easier to add a bit extra from illicit sources. Of course, no reason why thieves wouldn't be driving a Tesla it's cover for them to stay their charging whilst snipping the cables from other chargers. Isn't one answer to put a socket on the charger and EV drivers carry their own cable in the car?
I think it's a lot more headlines than actual occurrences, more FUD and horror stories by the anti-EV lobby.
Cable theft has been going on for years, I remember a friend of mine when he was working on large building sites as an Electrician, he said they had pulled the cables through on a some new build houses and left the tails ready to connect the following day. When they returned in the morning every tail had been cut and there was the remains of a fire behind a house where the insulation had been burned off. Each tail was about 15cm, so hardly a valuable haul, but the people who do this are not that bright and if the same is repeated in different locations every night it adds up. Sort of.
Wireless charging could be used in the future. I believe the Tesla Cybertruck has some of the equipment already
induction charging seems the logical way to go. Shut all private scrap yards make them Government owned. Unfortunately the Police are not interested in "minor" crime they just let the insurance companies deal with it.
Or climbing on top of churches stealing copper.That was a in thing a few years ago.
You can easily fit half a ton of copper in a small van
It is the UK government and may be the EU, it was mandated that all new charger from X date must have CC/DC terminals, why do you think tesla V4 have them and not V2 or V3's and not it's not a farce. Who said anything about Tebay this is UK wide.
I collect the old batteries from my customers cars I take them to the local scap merchant Even though we do the vehicle check on their lorry we still have to provide ID when we take batteries for scrap We get paid via the bank no cash. The reason for this is two fold, help prevent theft and tax evassion. I dont think its any more sinister than the criminal gangs that steal catalytic converts
I wish there was a simple way to stop this, cameras will definately help, but they need to cover more area. Maybe they could also be used to fine ICE cars blocking EV chargers!
I fear that the police are not interested in what they see as random theft of metal, similar was with lead on church rooves. More CCTV will help get more interest as at least they have some details of the criminals.
Just keep a few hundred volts running through the cable!
I was at tebay yesterday, and apart from the card declining, the cables were in the grass, difficult to lift, even with my minor shoulder ache. The card decline has messed my whole contactless charging, now. I wanted to get home, so chose Gridserve charger at Forton later, without seeking a charger somewhere in the lake District, to find it not working. It's particularly embarrassing that all the multiple Tesla chargers behind were totally capable of dealing with the Tesla traffic. I just was curious as there are signs at the side of the M6 saying 64p/kWh. I heard about some being cut in the Sheffield area, quite worrying, but not going to be an angry person with cutting machines and an EV van. Surely CCTV should see these folk.
The humble hoodie + face mask beats millions of pounds worth of cctv.
Police have no time, and courts are overwhelmed.
Not happening
So why is this the only "product" people can not possibly pay for in cash? Why is that?
@@angleseyandy9110 because it has been mandated that CC/DC contactless payments has to be provided, so how could you pay cash as a lot of the location do not have a shop not even the fuel companies offer a cash payment at there forecourts.
@@ianrobins5501 who has "mandated" card only payments please? Are you really suggesting that Tebay services do not have a shop? Why would it be a mandate that cash payments could not be made in the petrol station?
It's all a farce.
An alternative 'might be' for the chargers not not have any cables at all any EV owners only use their own cables.
You want to carry that kind of cable with you??
@@colinnich We already carry a cable with us. To use a lighter cable one just needs to increase the operating voltage, within reason.
Unfortunately you can only get 21kwh through a type 2 to type 2 cable.
@@rickyjulian496 That's where a higher operating voltage would be beneficial.
Just watched a CZcams video from Kyle at Out Of Spec Review in the USA giving the rundown on charger cable thefts in the USA, so it looks as though it's rife all over the place, he did comment on total apathy by the police even though they have many instances of clear video footage of the thieves but refused to do anything about it, pathetic 😡
Cables should be captive, released on application.
How would that stop someone cutting it?
@@ziggarillo they would need to start a charge to access it.
Some commenters indicating that people who are not in favour of being forced to buy an EV by a government mandate are committing criminal damage? Is that what they are labelling these people, am I right? Further to that I had metal thefts from my land, but I don't label anyone, most of the time thieves don't know what they are stealing.
The van will have a fake plate, so ANPR is a waste of time. Making a narrow entrance will stop maintenance vehicles from entering, not to mention all the electric vans (and probably Taycans) that net-zero demands. These vans aren't big, just knackered Transits or Transporters with a couple of burly guys in them; I've seen one park next to a 4x4 and rip accessories off, each of them was twice my size and I'd have likely ended up in the van with the bits if I'd said anything. Reporting does nothing.
The stolen cabling will have the insulation stripped off (jury rigs of this can be found on YT Shorts) then be mixed into other cables from a job (e.g. building demolition or renovation) to cover the theft. The telecom cables from a street on the other side of town were taken a few years ago; they just opened a manhole and ripped out a hundred yards of copper. Just wait until some bright spark rolls out removable batteries; it'll make cat theft look trivial and a lot of pensioners will be scammed into buying 'Powerwalls'.
😂 nobody takes ingots to scrap, they burn off the plastic and take the rest
😲6:08 what a fantastic idea! 😳so that EV-vans, nor hitched trailers/camper-vans, cannot get in! 🤯
YOU've SOLVED it Dave! (slow)👏
Why not remove the cables, fit female sockets and we use our own charge cables. 🤔
Carrying a whaking great DC charging cable is just not practicle
@@2011ppower especially if it is liquid cooled
As a first step, you could protect the cables electronically, just two extra thin conductors in the cable . When the cable is cut you can detect it and sound the alarm. It would be very cheap for new chargers, bit more expensive to retrofit
And who would respond to the alarm?
@@ziggarilloI can imagine the same responders who would respond if the petrol station was being turned over. Flashing lights , wailing sirens, cctv cameras engaged would tighten the buttocks of any ner do well struggling to get his hydraulic cutter back in the van
@@ambassadorfromreality1125 So, absolutely no one. People are cutting through bicycle locks in Central London, in broad daylight. In front of dozens of bystanders and the most CCTV cameras of any city in the world.
@@ziggarillosorry forgot all the countries ev chargers are in Central London.
@@ambassadorfromreality1125 most of them are
Have been for years. But when it pierced inside the Tesla bubble, you finally noticed that maybe the other charging stations are technically as good as Superchargers, if not better. They only were the victim first.
Big oil asked for cord cutting to stimulate sales
I believe it's EV haters wanting to piss off EV drivers
You're fast becoming the champion face of stating the bleedin' obvious, Dave.
Never heard of false number plates, though?
Cables have been nicked in my city from Morrisons, Waitrose and Lidl.
Leave these guys alone, they're doing real motoring a favour😆
What's real motoring?
@@briankavanagh7191the kind of motoring folk with a micro penis require to flex and attract the gold diggas...
This is more of a thing in the US and more to do with political polarisation than scrap value. All you are doing is giving people ideas. I’ve never seen a charger that’s had the cable cut off in the U.K; have you in real life?
Considering the risks and resulting chaos involved in people steeling railway signalling cables that’s been going on for decades I can’t see any major law changes coming in. This video might as well be entitled ‘New source of copper to rob for the uninitiated’ ☹️
Stop scrap dealers buying copper...😂😂😂😂😂
Technically scrap dealers are only supposed to make payment by transferring money to an account/debit card and shouldn't be paying cash so that it is traceable but I doubt that is properly enforced.
There is a simple way to stop copper theft at ev chargers. You need an app to charge so put the cable in a cage that opens when you connect your app. The app can take a deposit that you get back when you return the cable. It's a simple fix.
@@danny29x There are some chargers I've seen, only at one location in my 6 years of driving electric, that had the cables wound up inside the cabinet. I was frustrated by this because it didn't work well, the freezing cold had made them stiff and unable to be unrolled from the internal spool.
@@kng128 so don't wind it up. Leave it like a petrol pump in a cage.
@@danny29x If it's a metal cage they'll probably steal that as well.