Streamers Can’t Take Forspoken's Dialogue Seriously
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- Streamers on Twitch & CZcams struggle to take Forspoken writers seriously. Part 1 Gameplay and Reaction.
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Clearly the whole game takes place in her mind while 4 thugs beat her senseless in an alley.
Lmao
😂
Oh damn
All in le head
On the ground dying of massive head trauma, thugs running away, last little gleam in her eyes fading away as she says in a weak voice... "I am the hero, I am the hero, I, am, th- 😵"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
this game really makes you appreciate silent protagonists
Characters should not talk outside cinematic
@@labeilleautiste6318
She should have always stayed silent like Link (Legend of Zelda)
@@labeilleautiste6318 nah some characters are done well, like Dante from Devil May Cry 😂 bro cracks me up
@@xelldincht4251 "Well, excuuuuuse me, Princess!" Brunet Link was a knife-eared Karen.
@@royasturias1784
thank god Nintendo never acknowledged this version of him
You gotta give them credit... They managed to somehow mix that Western "twitter" cringe dialogue with cheesy Japanese goofiness to create something truly mediocre.
*"...to create something truly mediocre."*
You are awfully generous, sir...
@@bricaaron3978 As much as I hate the writing and the character, I have to admit that for the first few hours, gameplay was fun until it became a chore.
@@kusog3 you must have only played the shittiest games ever
@@kusog3 eh? Everybody who played that game said it's the first few hours that's a chore because you have sh1t spells.
Kinda funny bc many of those wester "twitter" people that created the game for didn't even bought it bc mostly of them.... are literally 12 years old kids.
There's an epidemy of bad writers who think "strong and independent" means "rude and obnoxious".
EDIT: I am appalled by the amount of people that do not know that "epidemy" and "epidemic" are synonyms. English isn't my first language and even I know that. But I am even more appalled by the fact that some of these people think it's perfectly valid to be rude towards people who say "epidemy".
You obviously have internet access and free time, use them both to look at a fucking online dictionary.
@Thawne
Because novice writers don't understand that the reason why your typical hero gets to do badass things and throw catchphrases it's because said character is usually developed, shown in other lights and made to go through struggles.
Skipping (or rushing) said development, context and struggles just leaves you a character that acts "badass" but has not earned it. A unlikeable thug.
They inject their own personality in these characters, not knowing they themselves are toxic assholes.
There is also an pandemic of presumably good people who think "strong and independent" means they themselves need to act "rude and obnoxious."
I meet a person like this on campus every day multiple times.
*"There's an epidemy of bad writers who think "strong and independent" means "rude and obnoxious"."*
It actually _does,_ though. Any woman who "don't need no man" is almost certainly going to be.... difficult to deal with.
@@Z7Games how is that not applicable to forspoken? She does go through struggles and development.
-> Is homeless;
-> Almost went to jail for stealing;
-> Manages to save $5,000;
-> Has multiple branded sneakers;
-> Fed her cat shitty cat food;
-> Prefer to leave the $5,000 to save the cat;
-> Proceed to give up the cat;
-> Went back to stealing.
I mean, HUH!?
I mean, if you look at the tiktok generation you can kinda expect the same thought process
WHAT IS THIS SHIT
@@Darktotaled how dare you say something so true😂
@@fookoff8660 grow up loser
@@fookoff8660 oh you're a child lol carry on little on you'll grow up one day hopefully
I love how the entire plot of the game is set in motion because Frey was too stupid to grab the bag of money that was right next to her before getting her cat
Gotta find Homer first
I don't understand why even bring attention to it by putting it right there with a prompt! The scene would be better if the money was in another room entirely.
@@MASJYT I understand they did it to try and make her look more sympathetic by having her go for the cat first, but considering she's living in an abandoned squat, it makes zero sense why she would leave the cash out in the open. They could've easily had a hidden stash on the other end on the apartment that she hid it inside.
She wouldn't even need a bag of money if she just opened up a bank account and deposit it like a normal person. I just don't get it. She graduated highschool right?
@@conyo985 The character did but the writers didn't. That is why they do not know what people should be learning in high school and it shows in the writing.
That cat is an incredibly cheap plot device to make Frey look good and caring.
Homer isn't concerned about the fire at all. She isn't howling in distress, desperate to escape, ears flattened, or suffering from burns. She's looking at Frey like she just came back from a short shopping trip. The fact that the cat isn't distressed AT ALL robs any emotional weight, and makes Frey extra stupid for not grabbing that money bag. It would've been more believable for her not to pick up the bag had we heard Homer crying.
This would've been so easy to write. But the writers were lazy.
That's a great point! Shows how as usual they're trying to trick us into thinking we feel something instead of, you know - making us FEEL something.
Exactly! First time I saw that scene I was like 'wow he is reaaaally calm for this scenario'
It's not just lazy writing, it's safe crappy generic writing.
They literally made her save the cat...
Can you fault the cat? Clearly it just craves the sweet release of death after living with Frey.
"I don't get this trend with making the main character so unlikable" oof, that resonates so strongly, yes.
Forspoken is what a Netflix game studio would make
Funnily enough, Netflix did have games at one point. Nobody knew about it, and it got canned.
@@NeinBreaker Spiritfarer and Moonlighter are pretty good. Just be glad studio execs don't make them.
@@planet60Co. …Were those two available on Netflix games?
@@NeinBreaker yeah, they should be. Have they been removed since? I haven't really checked it out for some time.
@@planet60Co. Ah, didn’t know that. It’s been years since I’ve used Netflix.
This is why Link is the best protagonist. He keeps his mouth shut and does his job.
Well, Excuuuuuuuse Me, Princess!
Here's the LINK.
czcams.com/video/qzfXxkHrIBM/video.html
*cough* *cough* Gordon Freeman
Chosen Undead: ‘I just killed a hecking zombie…with a sword! A hecking sword! I did that! I do that now, I kill hecking zombies. That’s me. Heck yeah.’
@@R1R1R2 lol i would love to see an animation of the chosen undead do her cringy dialogue
@@lamry24 go ask that Russian badger guy, sounds right up his alley.
Can't blame devs for bad writing, when you don't leave the house it's hard to imagine scenarios that involve social interaction
There's been plenty of introverted, loner writers that have a better grasp of reality than these folks
Nah this is written by people who go outside too much and don’t know how annoying the overused meme dialogue is
The stench of normie cringe is pungent with these writers. I bet they think Pete Davidson is funny too.
ok, but what explains the english baddies saying "fan out" to the guards as "fahhhhh'n out"? English people say fan a lot like the american pronunciation lol - literally nobody says "fahhhn"
I've read a lot of fanfiction better written.@@cooliostarstache5474
Let's make our character swear every five seconds, that's a neat trick!
It's the only way they know how to be un-safe. Their worldviews are aligned with power so they think swearing is pushing the boundaries.
@@hammondOThuh that's a very good analogy. Their entire worldview is supported by the banks, media, large companies, government etc. they ha e no "edge" whatsoever so swearing is all that's left. And even then it's the gay shit swearwords lmao
@@-bubby9633 You got it exactly right.
Vivziepop
Her not grabbing the money might be the dumbest plot device I’ve seen in a while.
Yeah, on par with Glass Onion's "Oh the woman I killed is arriving on my private island with a detective I didn't invite, oh well, I'm too stupid to think about this at all or do anything about it hurr durr."
Come on, they had to cut to medieval fantasy dragon fighting and shit asap. Almost like the intro doesnt match the rest of the game at all hmmmmmm xd
@@heemjefee6889 "But you see, the whole point is that he was a fucking idiot, therefore the movie is genius!"
@@drowningmerman4256 I hate Rian Johnson writing so much 😔
It's just confusing to me. Just have the bag be in another room, or hidden on a shelf that she can't get to without finding a ladder first. It seems like such an easy thing to change so that it makes more sense.
Trying to pick up the money: "Gotta find Homer first."
Homer seeing her leaving the money in the fire: "D'oh!"
The cat might be Homer, but the she is Ralph.
😂🤦
@@nova_supreme8390 But of a insult to Ralph. He's got more logic than her.
Im deaaad
How is Homer a female cat name anyway?
Everyone being so confused about not being able to grab the cash had me dying laughing
I just love the whole "I'm an abrasive self entitled brat at the beginning of the story...and by the end of the story, I'm a justified abrasive self entitled brat!" trope people are going for nowadays. So relatable. Much character
Old main characters were changed by the events and context of the story. New main characters use the context and setting to justify their own behavior.
People want to just be badass without earning it
Well, you can't have character development if the main character is female. That would imply she wasn't perfect to begin with.
I don't understand why that house fire wasn't just a cutscene. It would've been better writing if she wakes up, bolts into action to save her cat, and naturally forgets about the money like most of us would.
But instead they decided "this section needs to be playable" even though all you do is walk towards the cat, press a button, and walk back. So now the plot is not that she forgot the money in a fight or flight rush, but that she just said "nah I'll pick it up later." Who hires these people
Lmao, EXACTLY. 🤦🏽♀️
My ONLY guess is that it was cheaper to make the scene playable rather than make a cutscene. I don’t make video games nor do I understand budgeting and stuff, but otherwise it’s a terrible decision to waste so much time and asset making for a scene like that.
I thinking they were trying to figure out how to make the game as shitty as possible and this is what they came up with.
@@henrygreen2096 I'm not exactly knowledgeable about budgeting either, but I would think a cutscene is cheaper. It wouldn't necessarily need any more VO than a gameplay segment (potentially even less since you're not taking player interactions into account), plus it wouldn't need to be as thoroughly play tested. Maybe you also wouldn't even need to render/build the entire apartment because you can limit what the camera sees in a cutscene.
@@RoaringTide Gameplay is far cheaper, you need custom mocap animations for cutscenes. You can get away with using preexisting anim for simple cutscenes like dialogue, but for action, brand new animations are a must for it not to look dogshit.
My favorite part is when she fights her mom who just outright kills her if you lose the fight.
Even her parents are sick of her.
A case of Ludonarrative oversight. Losing the fight should've immediately rendered a unique cut-scene rather than just killing her outright. Doesn't make sense within the narrative for her mom to kill her, but from a gameplay perspective the studio didn't consider it.
Understandable.
@@Hyrule409 maybe cause her mom thought she’d be stronger and I guess underestimated her
@@Deathmare235 copium
@@Bleeperblopper497 the story needs some sort of explanation
The oneyplays Crew continuously predicting the cringe dialogue then getting pissed because they were able to do so is still the funniest shit 😂
One of my all-time favorite CZcams watches. Insanely hilarious.
Can you link me please
@@undertonebg czcams.com/play/PL6qLaZmDYJwsW8ZaKGtDOLud9McXD-VqQ.html&si=B8FBjpj7JJPGEI4o
I hate how so much dialogue in modern media is written like this.
It sucks
"How many cliches can we pack into a game?"
Developers: "Yes"
They still can't dethrone the master of shitty tropes and clichés Square Enix's kingdom hearts. Where they retcon so hard because they written themselves into a corner while still throwing out more bad cliches like: Time traveling clones, clones, people turning into other people appearance wise , bad guy that is an awful bad guy and gets overtaken by the real bad guy. Hand Wavy explanations because they could not be bothered to think it through, inconsistent self made "lore" How the world works. Power of "belief" fixing things. Conflict through blatant miscommunication that could be cleared up in a second. And so much more.
@@theblackbaron4119 to be fair Kingdom Hearts is almost like the origin of those cliche tropes
@@Bleg94 Eh no, those tropes were well established way before, to a point where people would stop using them because it is awful writing.
Clichés dont are bad for itself
This is all true though counter argument, this is all from one character that they blew out of proportion. I don't have a problem with anything else story wise other than the everything from 3D onwards.
I love how Cr1tikal and Pyrocynical both guessed two major plot twists almost right at the beginning of the game.
Honestly it's so obvious as can be lmao.
Are u saying the Dragon was in fact Freya's parent? 🤣🐲
@@danskyl7279
The dragon is revealed to be her mom near the end of the game.
@@enjoyer2227 Wow. 👍
@@enjoyer2227 that is absolutely incredible haha
Did a psychopath write this dialogue? It feels like an attempt to create emotional connection with characters while having no actual understanding or experience of it. Like a "this is what humans do" scenario, but the entire time widely missing the mark.
Reptilians confirmed.
They are among the writers 😅
ChatGPT
Millennial brainrot
“You know they can still shoot you…. It’s just a chain link fence…” 4:00
The cat was placed there in an attempt to conjure empathy for the protagonist 😂
As someone who does not like cats. This is legit one reason I stopped my pre-order.
I still feel this prologue is very disconnected with the main story
Yes also the Phone Part. She Acts like a bitter Narcisst Ass all of the Game but she gives the Lost Phone back to the Lady and she Rescues the Cat instead of the Money so we need to have Sympathy for her.....well no we don't.
Nobody likes her.
Funny enough though the cat is an important character in one of the endings lmao.
@matthew edwards if a cat's presence in a video game warrants for you to cancel your order then you should do some soul searching.
"I gotta find Homer first!" Girl if you have the arm-strength to parkour and climb up a chainlink fence *YOU CAN CARRY BOTH!*
Better yet, stuff Homer in the bag too. Sure he'll be mad about it, but not burning his ass to a crisp, and having some gourmet food from the extra money is a much better alternative.
IRL Homer be like, "Find me? Woman, I was halfway down the street by the time you woke up! A cat isn't gonna loiter in a fucking fire!"
@silverblade357 freaking facts. One of my friends when I was a kid that lived down the street had their house catch on fire and I had no idea it was happening. Walked outside and her cat was on my porch meowing. Cat bolted when it smelled danger
Gonna get a little hot homer
Good point
Completely un-ironically the exact same kind of dialogue I wrote in the very first draft of the first fantasy story I had ever written… When I was 15. No editing, no revisions, just throwing some stuff together in my free time for the first time ever. Though I’d like to think my characters were at least a bit more like-able, as I think I’d have personally killed them off in the story long before they wound up like her.
Yeah, I wrote the same kind of shit. I still have copies of that cringe writing 25 years later. I read it here and there to remind myself my writing has improved.
@@md_vandenberg🤓
I wrote an Isekai about a dude from Ohio involving magic, narcotics, guns, trailer parks, and civil asset forfeiture. It was so depressing that I burned it.
@@hypothalapotamus5293thank you for your service.
@@md_vandenberg Fanfiction is a great way to brush up on your writing skills in a low stakes environment, however if you read your own work years later it will stab you in the soul with pure cringe
1:35 "You have 2 previous felonies. With this one, your grand total will be 3"
Hold on, I gotta check her math on that one...
Depending on the State, she will be getting some mandatory sentences right?
The fact that they give you an option to pick up the bag, and programmed her to comment when you attempt, but still have her leave it is worse than an oversight. That was completely aware bad writing. Like, how?
I think it might’ve been an newer addition, because they probably forgot about the money originally
@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta if it was a later addition, just move the bag to another room. Or have the cat dump it all out doing cat scared things. Or at least don’t have her say out loud how she shouldn’t pick it up lmao. Either way, it shows that they knew players would try to pick it up first, because why wouldn’t you? Yet there’s still no reasonable explanation as to why you can’t.
I don't know what the hell they were thinking on that part...
Great point. Looks like the minds that wrote the Velma show have this one a shot too
@@RagnarLoudpak there’s a big issue with everything you’ve pointed out. You see, you need a semi functional brain and basic understanding of logic to have this scenario play out this way, the forspoken writing team struggled to give the cat a name
15:57 "shit of course it's locked"
"it's prison..." 🤣
Ikr like it's so cring that is why they put you and lock you lol who developed this game
Oj the goat
I don't think you understand, I was in tears... I could not stop laughing 🤣🤣
@@chaddixon9764 lmao 🤣🤣🤣 same here
When I initially read this I thought the bracelet would say it, and it's atleast a bit of funny comedy ingame.
Should have known better...
Asmon's last comment about every line she says is the lame option when you play a "bad character" in fallout or something is actual nail on the head, so perfect.
Also was Charlie right about the dragon mom?
he really was lol
@@senatormollywater3031Wait what?
This game is actually very inspirational.
I played just an hour and soon after developed a newfound respect for indie games. Truly incredible!
Truly the game of all time
I like the sarcasm
Masterclass in writing an absolute awful main character, nice
Let's see your character.
@@elizabethchint2391 Great point for you to bring. I guess you can't think a meal tastes good or bad in a restaurant because you didn't cook it yourself either, good for you.
Typical woke garbage
@Elizabeth Chint "this new car I bought has bad brakes and no engine but I guess I shouldn't complain because I don't know how to make cars"
@@elizabethchint2391 you are exactly the type of person to tell a victim to be happy with the abuse and encourage them to stay with their abuser for the rest of their life.
Stay clear of these people folks.
It’s too unbelievable, I don’t know any judge that would allow someone to wear a hat in the courtroom
It's funny because it's true.
Most people haven’t been in a proper courtroom
Funny enough, my grade or school ended up getting banned from going to a court because we were misbehaving while a court was in session. We didn't learn about this until the end of the week. Just felt like I had to share my little story, lol
@@AsusanXT What? Was it a field trip or something? Why would they take a bunch of kids to court?
@@dudebruh8534 to teach them how the system works with a probably bit more exciting practical example? Grade school seems way too young though.
The house fire could have been an awesome cutscene if she woke up panicked yelling for the cat, and didn't even think of the money while saving it and herself.
Watching the Oney Plays crew continuously predict the shitty dialogue literally seconds before it happens was honestly the only way it became bearable
I just love how they added a scene of Frey returning someone's phone to try and establish a sort of "oh, she's rough around the edges, but ultimately does care about others" to her, but then the rest of the game until the very end has her be incredibly selfish
I don't get what's wrong with her being selfish tho..... American New Yorker thrust into another unfamiliar universe filled with the bubonic plague that turns people and animals into living crystals..
My complaint is that she is portrayed as selfish but walks effortlessly into the brinks of death. She didn't know she could kill Tantas but literally went up against them with very little knowledge of what they did. By herself...
And that's the immersion breaking part for me. Doing everything by herself.
@@marimorg7377 you being srs rn 😐
@@megadong2398 tbf they did accurately portray a New Yorker as being an absolutely worthless human being
Yeah, a "diamond in the rough" she is not.
@@marimorg7377 There's nothing wrong with a selfish character, but when they never break away from that selfishness and just keep being rude to everyone it makes no sense, especially because literally seconds before the final boss does she suddenly apparently care about the people. Sure she threw herself into deadly situations constantly but it's exclusively so she can go back to her miserable life in New York, it just so happens to save everyone else in Athia too. She doesn't even really help anyone else out because she just so happens to see them in trouble or anything like that so that scene before she gets Isekai'd doesn't even serve its intended purpose well
7:19 They not only found her and set her house on fire over a car, they not only refused to take the money, but they also masterfully spray painted a stylized FOUND YOU on the window BACKWARDS so she could read it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but realistically, wouldn't the spray painted text also have become unreadable due to the heat of the fire?
@@HAL-9OOO ...no, it's fire resistant
They're sending mixed signals here
Must be a statement of how messed up their society is. People with creativity and an attitude of “it’s about the work, not the money” can’t get jobs!
Advanced thuggery
The logic of “I can’t grab this bag of cash because I need to find my cat that would fit perfectly in this bag” is insane.
The best part is that she's supposedly struggling with money, but made the very smart decision to get a cat...
6:19 Ok there is ABSOLUTELY no defence for that. Anyone with at least 2 braincells will pick up the bag that is right in front of them as they run out and look for the cat lmao wtf is this
That right there is called "hack writing"
It's when the characters take contrived actions that go against basic human and their own established motivations for no good reason other than to create conflict in a manner the author is not competent enough to properly create!
What if she had hidden her stack of cash in a make shift safe and stored it away, and when she woke surrounded by the fire it was already too late to get it? Or hell, maybe when she woke up the bag itself was already in flames! Or, since the gang found her apartment, they must have broken in to see that it was her, indeed, and took the bag with them before they set the building on fire!
Anything in that situation would have made much more sense than what the game went with, but since the writers probably wanted you to sympathize more with the protagonist by giving her the likable trait of taking care of animals before herself, this contrived execution paints her as extremely stupid instead!
@@TwilightWolf032 At least they could have made something so she will drop the bag or something, but they decided to make her have 0 common sense
@@TwilightWolf032 there's also that scene Frey doesn't give any food to her cat even though she has a bag full of money....... she's can't even spend a little bit for her cat
@@TwilightWolf032 well fucking said my man
All they had to do was make it so the bag was on the other side of the room about to burn but her cat was also in immediate danger and show her sacrifice the money for the cat. Not just be stupid and refuse to pick it up for no real reason
I lost it when moistcriticle predicted that the Dragon was one of her parents and the words "He was right" pop up on the screen.
I found it, right around that point
How did he manage to predict this? This plot twist sounds so ridiculous
@@xelldincht4251 when you play shitty games for a living, the writing gets predictable
@@xelldincht4251 People being turned into an animal/object isn't all that uncommon tho? Especially in fantasy stories.
@@watchtime5214
yes but this seems like out of nowhere
Alex said it best when he said "I'm rooting for the fire at this point".
Then a month later, Luminous Studio is shutdown 💀
>ignores bag of money to save cat
>gives cat away cuz she has no money
>"now what am I gonna do"
genius plot progression
> finds herself in a much better situation. Don't like it
> Teleports in a Realm where she can be a Unkillable God.
>Earning fame and fortune for just dancing around spilling bright lights into monsters
> She wants to return to the city where she's homeless, targeted by a gang who tried to murdered her, huge felony/criminal records on her back and 120 hrs of community services
@@pmbbmp If only she had something she could have exchanged for a new home...
@@pmbbmp bro its her fault she doesn't have any money. And its her fault she got attacked. Its her fault she gave away the cat too. If she was supporting him before why not now?
@@pmbbmp cus cants can't live outdoors right
>Is homeless
>Has an apartment where she is the only human occupant
>Has a magic cuff that can kill large animals and severely wound a dragon
>Lets herself get handcuffed and arrested
>Can run up walls
>Chooses to not run up the wall of her cell and blast out the window
As someone which finds this game as a disastrous train wreck, featuring the most embarrasing writing ever seen in videogames history, i have to defend the choice to not escape from prison through the window because it was too small for her body to pass lol
>so broke that she can't buy better cat food
>has a big bag of money
@@Mermete8
>cat learns to talk.
>"Bitch you got a bag full of cash and you cant splurge for some mother fucking fancy feast?!"
@@jador9641 than blast the wall XD
this chick was able to send a giant undead bear flying like a cartoon character. No reason for her not to be able to blast a whole through the simplest of stone walls.
@@Mermete8 > chooses to let it burn.
My favorite part was when Jane Forspoken said "It's Forspokin' Time!" And spoke all the fores.
15:26 I like how he waited for the screen to black out before continuing lmao
it must be so tough to write a believable, consistent character who operates according to their values and reacts fittingly to the events happening around them. we only have what, centuries of literature where this was done well?
Monologue of every small event was never good. Sorry but don't what you were drinking?
Sad thing is they had Amy Henning on staff and I KNOW she can write. Legacy of Kain got downright Shakespearian with its dialogue.
Liberals are too busy destroying literature and history to learn from it 😊
@@kyriss12 Isn't that the Uncharted 2 and TloU writer? Was she on crack?
Not just centuries, literally millenia
The transitions between streamers is so seamless.
Right? I love the editing here
Unfortunately, the same cant be said about the transition between cutscenes and gameplay in the game lol
it really isnt
A couple times i forgot they were all seperate recordings and not all playing/watching together lol
@@memberofchat2825 yeah thats it start shit for no reason brother get his ass cmon
Why not have the cat be in a more urgent scenario in the fire? Like, on a shelf that's about to be engulfed in flames, and have the money be in another room. That would at least make a little sense why there wouldn't be time to get both. Not have the bag of cash be directly at her feet when she wakes up!
1:50 she's begging for her future NOW and not 2 felonies ago?
Because after 2 felonies she realised she had even more potential
You would think that a character that has a criminal background would try to approach a fantasy world how a criminal would do it. That would make the writing interesting, make her cut deals with the witches in exchange for more magic, let her side with the supposed heroes of this fantasy and plan to backstab them later. But instead they go the route of making her the hero in the end.....
Or even just play fir both Teams until she is sure which one will bring her more benefits
Ergo, the player choosing "Hero Ending" or "Villain Ending"
That's my beef too with her character. Bad person doesn't equal a bad character. But, they didn't do much with the idea that she makes a living as a theif and instead tried to make her "a theif, but not really". They didn't make her being a criminal as part of her character, but just as a plot point that stops being relevant once the fantasy stuff starts.
You know it would actually be kind of hilarious if she tried allying with the bad guys but with that typical "twist" of "the bad are the good and the good people are really the bad people" making the protag an accidental hero.
@@TheTomoyaNagase The game would be insanely entertaining if it went that route.
It'd be sooo much better if she was like this. She'd actually be more sympathetic. Rough life sharp wits taking 21st century street smarts into a medieval setting. But oh God would the indoor cats screech about a person of color acting in any way outside of their ESG prescribed box.
Golly, that dialogue really made me feel spoken for
Kermit the Frog: "I am right where I belonnnnnng!"
There's a lot of thing to be for spoken of this game.
Nice name
"Golly" 🤓
🔥🔥🔥🔥✍️
16:29 "She can't have got far."
Not only is the dialogue cringe, it also has terrible sentence structure.
So my dreams of writing are not gone. I just need to talk to Square Enix
Nah, you probably wont get through Quality Assurance.
Too good for product.
Or HBO, or Disney
Publishers are not the writers
@@grimjoker5572 in this day and age, where men can identify as a woman or a furry, people should be able to identify as any race they want.
Me personally? I identify as an orcidh half-elf merchant.
@@nocommentarygaming3335 I identify as Sauron and I accuse you of being racist to evil people
No one talking about how Charlie predicted the "plot twist" 🤣🤣
Was he actually right?
@@haqeeqee Yeah, if you saw the editor also wrote it for a second. You probably missed it.
@@PersonaPrime oh yeah I see it now. I must have blinked and missed it the first time.
Oh the dragon is the mom what a surprise ~ when he guessed that i was thinking that too
@@ZionistGundam I am more surprised that people didn't see it coming.
"Yeah, OK, that is something I do now."
Peak
"So that just happened!"
"I guess I do this now!"🙄🙄
This feels like the perfect set up for a character who has to drastically change from the start to the finish. It’s obvious that her angry and cold nature are negatives so they could have made them actual faults she has to fix
She just went and said all the "mcu cringe dialogue" memes one after the other in a single scene
Joss whedon destroyed an entire generation of writers
The money bag incident plotpoint could've been easily fixed by having it caught on fire when she woke up and saw it.
Or locked away in a safe, but the fire made the metal safe too hot to touch.
Why didn't they think of it?
They wanted her to CHOOSE the cat over the money, but the writers literally put the bag of money right next to her while the cat was somewhere deep in the house
The devs could have also had the thugs who started the fire steal the money as well.
Bc they have to think
LIKE FUCK they act like the beggining isnt the most important
its like if httyd hiccup just trains toothless in the begginning
Because they have to beat you over the head with how "virtuous" the main character is that she chose the cat over the money...except when this is usually done the main character isn't in a position where they could easily save both.
The cat from stray is more well developed character and that says something.
I just want to point out something that Tear of Grace said during his playthrough. Alfrey or whatever the protagonist's name is admitted to the theft by saying "I needed the cash" however the judge only let her off with 5 days of community service.
BRILLIANT WRITING EVERYONE!!! 🙄
There are few things I hate more than forced profanity in videogames
That dmc reboot comes to mind..
Ever seen the ending of resident evil revelations 2?
@@TheNightofWalpurgis666 it was pretty good if you don't know shit about devil may cry
It’s really unnecessary
Last of us 2 is the patron saint of extraneous f-bombs. And a lot of other checked boxes.
Judge: *lets a repeat offender of often violent and felonious crimes off with community service after being talked back to in court, during a trial that took place without a single public witness let alone a jury.*
Also Judge: *Meets with the repeat offender outside of court and even accepts a gift from her.*
If this level of emotional investment and poor decision making isn't grounds for a mistrial and a serious investigation...
It's a good thing her public defender chose to have her tried in a super lefty district.
True to new york, bth.
@@DsiakMondala What makes you think I want a brony's opinion?
It's a fucking game
@@SoupOrNothing It's a fucking comment
I accidentally misinterpreted it as foreskin
How is "I'm a smart girl with a bright future" even something to throw back in somebody's face? That sounded so off she almost sounded hopeful than sarcastic.
So its Infamous set in generic fantasyland and an unhealthy dose of cringe.
It's infamous but you need an over 700$ RTX card to run it at 60 fps
Infamous is a good game
Exactly my thoughts espesially second son.But that game was legit funny.
The game had potential smh. In fact, all the comparisons to Infamous made me want it to succeed. Sadly, Squenix rushed it and didn’t care
@@creativeguy1martinez693 "potential" for what? Its a generic as hell fantasy world that barely diviates from your babies first DnD session.
Never understood the whole "I got to get back home!" Narrative people have when in this case her life is pretty rock bottom. Having magic powers, a new identity and a whole new world to explore isn't enough. Would be good to see a story where a character has a pretty good life in their own reality and has to struggle choosing between the two.
And she openly gives up her cat, so it's not like she's going back for her cat because no home, no money, no resources left to her.
Hell, the intro looks like she has a plan to try to get out of the city and far away to escape her life as it is now, yet her first reaction is "I gotta get back to the city where gangsters are trying to murder me!"
@@daefaron Exactly.
I admit I say all this with only this video for context but I mean, "starting again" with powers that can fight a dragon are not the worst thing that could happen to a pocket sand thief with potential.
If you think the "went to another dimension/time period, found friends/love/a purpose, then struggled to go back but ultimately had to" trope is something that hasn't been done to death and "would be good to see", then you probably don't consume a lot of fiction.
@@hppvitor you got me.
@@BlackieRanga I have played the whole game and there is more to the story than this video… just saying. Don’t judge if you don’t know.
17:36 Rare instance of the game being self aware
15:35 I like how Asmongold stopped when she said it to him, but then he continues to say what he wanted to say
All I know is that if I were an orphan from birth, lived a shitty life and then was suddenly whisked away to a fantasy realm and given a second chance at living a somewhat good life, I'd probably not act like a petulant child to every person I met ...
Wait, you mean to tell me you wouldn't just call everyone who dared to say hello an asshole. YOu a re a strange man.
There is no internet in that world so nope
Except she is a petulant child.
@@ookam9685 Counterpoint: Stacking all the gold with magic powers.
@@joshuaanderson1712 that sounds nice but still I cant go back to the days before the internet lmao
Love the comedic timing at 15:26-15:38. But yeah I can see how the beginning would tick off people. The money bag moment is so lame. It was right there. Just put it in another room or have the bad guys take it so it didn't make Frey look stupid to the players. Everyone thought about the bag first.
Lmao she had it with him
He actually paused for a sec 🤣
i think it's supposed to suggest that Frey is " a good person " as she values her cat's life over her own ( money ) - but the writers did it in the DUMBEST, most moronic way possible...
All she had to do was pick it up and sling it over her shoulder. Then look for the cat.
@@fumomofumosarum5893 Yeah it reminds me of that line in Saint's Row 2022 where Kev says "Plus he kicks dogs so F that guy" about the guy they're about to rob. It's just so out of place and pointless. Trying to make the player like the characters, or at lease excuse their actions, using animals. Another example, the dog in TLOU2. Makes Ellie look bad, makes Abby look good, all so Neil Druckmann can have his fantasy of rawdogging a slab of meat with a ponytail.
Don't do that.
Alot of people have taken issue with more than just the beginning.
I feel like I'm owed an apology for a game I've never played
It’s really not that bad😂
@@shrumgus5608no it really is bad
@@leboi1155 Watched my GF’s playthrough of it for around 20-ish hours and I played a few sections. The beginning section’s writing is dumb but it’s just to get the ball rolling into the game’s actual fantasy world. This hate is the result of “anti-wokeism” and targeted hate. The game is generic at worst but has solid gameplay and graphics. Story is ehh but the enemy designs are neat and upgrade trees are fun to try out.
When Frey tries to open the cell door and is surprised that its locked and that one guy quietly goes "...its a prison"
“Rooting for the fire” 💀
the moment immersion fell down to 0 is when you are FORCED to pick the cat. the game FORCES you to be dumb. truly the writing ever made.
Gotta have food
yeah, all it would take is to put the money somewhere else and it would be fine
like under some rubble, already on fire, anything
@@misantrope6267when you are 0,001% Asian
Forces you to be a woman, now you know what its like to be mindless 😂
Reminds me of the forced storyline in Red Dead 2. Utterly ridiculous.
Mom: we have infamous second sun at home.
The infamous second sun we have at home:
Didn't expect to watch all of this, because I had seen highlights of some of these streams already, but I have to say your editing is fantastic. The way you cut it all to be seamless and as if they are all reacting at once was really well done.
"Where'd she get this fist full of dirt?"
You all have clearly never heard of POCKET SAND.
I was an angel investor in that.
just like sekiro batchest
Followed up by a clever use of SQUIRREL TACTICS!!!
It's not sand, it's cocaine!!!
Ahh yes a game full of so many gimmicks and skill and still pocket sand can be a life saviour
The funniest bit is when she uncovers the window and it says "found you" it's not backwards to the player, meaning that the thugs intentionally wrptr backwards on the window so she could read it in the off chance she went for that specific window
Lol epic comment. Im sure hardly anybody thought of that. I sure diddnt lol.
Shitty game
@@johnybloom5575 it took me a second too cuz I saw it, read it and was like... wait... that window was boarded up, they just wrote backwards flawlessly somehow 😂
Wait, no that doesn't make sense. If they wrote on the board normally, when they turn it to face the window, from Fray's perspective it would also read normally.
@@samuszero100 it wasn't written on the board it was written on the window itself
I liked how they found her and instead of you know killing/hurting her right there. They decided to leave the money, drip gasoline or whatever all over the apartment and write a easy to read sign for her. Its almost like they are the dumbest criminals around.
15:57
“It’s a prison…” his voice gets me😂😂💀
"I don't like helping people" Charlie don't know how right he was lol that's literally her whole character during in Atheia
She's no hero, then. Heroes actually care about people. lmfao
@@chrisnichols9014 she's definitely not a Hero nor an Anti Hero, she just tether between those two side up until at the very end of story and suddenly flip like switch to "I'm going to protect Atheia now"
@@GamerConnoisseurRei And only because she then learns she has a connection to it. Not because she had a change of heart
@@flying-magpie and that’s already near the end of the game, brilliant writing
Zero from _Drakengard 3_ was more of a hero than Frey is. Jack Garland is more of a hero. I'll even argue a case for Kane & Lynch themselves, and they're actual criminals.
I think it’s disturbing that some people out there don’t see the cringe in this game
Played it to completion and the only complaint i had was the way the campaign progressed. The dialogue in context is fine. Jumping on the hate bandwagon is all this is.
@@minbari73 it's the most embarrassing thing ever, it's hard not to hate something so hateable
@@mankulon790 nah, it isn't the most embarrassing thing ever. People like you are.
@@minbari73 bet you like she-hulk and eternals as well
@@zappy9880 She-Hulk was terrible, Eternals I didn't hate outright, there were good things about it, the M-she-U essentially ignoring the earth shattering celestial as if it was nothing afterwards is just stupid. As for Forspoken, did you play the game to completion?
I love how this game is a black lives matter simulator at first
17:58 Asmongold was right on the money. It feels like every piece of dialogue is the "be a dick" option you give to the npc you dislike
@mike carson The dialogue is pretty bad (though once you get past it the mid-late game gameplay is apparently alright or even pretty good) and idk what this rewriting of history is about but we literally JUST had two other major games get similarly shit on for cringy and/or annoying dialogue.
Which is how girls like that act in reality.
@mike carson It's enhanced because Frey is constantly so annoying. Like, she doesn't stop saying how much she hates Cuffs presence despite him giving her every single good idea she had.
@mike carson Legit. This video thinks it’s limited receipts are gospel. Wow a couple of degenerate streamers don’t like the girl that sounds like most other marvel characters (looking at you spidey). Ground breaking stuff.
Also, Angry Joe is a clown 😂 The majority of these streamers got big off a gimmick of ‘acting hard and cranky’ before saturation in the industry. Now fans are trying to hold onto their credibility like smoke in the wind. Chill boys, if you don’t like the script let the Japanese know next time by raising the bar of popular source material in the west that this was so heavily influenced by.
It’s beyond me what people choose to love and destroy on the internet. This game is not a masterpiece but dear god it’s definitely not the doomed trash that many swear it to be.
@@Mediados The descriptive word you’re looking for is ‘banter’ my guy. Don’t blame script for that going over your head.
After she picked up and returned the stranger's phone, I thought to myself, "Oh she's SOO nice isn't she? What's next, she gonna save a cat from a burning building too?"
Imagine my surprise 5 minutes later.
was it "OH COME ON"
The funny thing is that these were their only attemps at making Frey seem like a nice person. Aside from that she is an ass to everyone and keeps saying how much she despises her saviors presence.
She wouldn't have saved it if it wasn't her cat. She would have called the cat an asshole while throwing a suitcase of cash into the inferno.
Cool
Ofc you thought that ...
"I'm rooting for the fire tbh" LMAO!!!!
How did she even get captured? She has parkour speed and energy blasts. She faced a dragon head on, yet a wooden door is her limit.
I blame Marvel for this, not every main protagonist has to sound like a try hard badass.
But she doesn't sound like a try hard badass she sound stupid and it's really dumb to blame marvel for something it has nothing to do with
It's called ESG writing.
@@TheZapan99 That's called subsidised on taxpayer's dime
@@TheZapan99 marvel popularised that garbage and now everyone is trying so hard to replicate it
@@am-ranth8955 yeah but unfortunately that farmer will inevitably be "chosen one" or something like that in any modern plot
That truck almost hit her supposed to be her ticket to isekai
missed opportunity, one of many...
I thought she was gonna jump off the bridge.
Truck-kun is like "I got better shit to do"
@@Shiirow You know it's serious when not even Truck-kun wants your death on his list.
I actually think that might have been an intended joke? Hard to tell with this game
"I'm starting think I'm not the target audience for this game."
There is no target audience for this game, friend. Nobody who worked on this game understood who they were making it for. Homeless black women from New York who own a cat would look at Frey and say, "I cannot remotely relate to this character."
(Sigh) May God forgive Square Enix for letting Agni's Philosophy eventually turn into this, because I never will.
The target audience of this game is the ESG audit board.
"The gym bag problem" at the beginning is the perfect summation of exactly why the writing is so bad in this game.
They needed her to lose the money, because "protagonist needs to struggle" cliché, so they come up with this stupid, contrived idea that she can't pick up the bag before looking for her cat, when she could easily have searched for the cat with the bag over her shoulder. A bag of cash wouldn't have hindered her ability to search for Homer.
The writers couldn't find a way to get rid of the money without making the character a complete and total idiot in the process, because quite frankly (and the writing in the rest of the game confirms this) they're bad at their jobs.
Have her put the bag in the closet before going to sleep, then wake up with the closet on fire.
Problem solved.
If they were trying to make her look noble by having her ignore the money to search for Homer, which they weren't because she goes for the money anyway, they did it incredibly stupidly.
For that to have made sense they would've needed to come up with a scenario where she had to make the choice between the money and the cat, not make her look like an idiot where she could very easily have had both.
I really hate when they throw real world people into fantasy worlds and they just accept it 😂 From living in an apartment in a big city to fighting dragons as if it were just another Tuesday
Most likely they would experience home sickness due to not being used to the place and also Culture shock to understand how different things work there.
How can urban fantasy be such an interesting concept, yet writers continually make it have the most boring versions of the settings, and most trope filled story? There are so many neat implications and scenarios you can write for that kind of world, yet it always come down to “our world but there are also just elves running around, magic exists but its either completely hidden to all but a few or causes no problems and isn’t a big deal”
@@courier6960 depends on them really, I like the concept of urban fantasy mixed in with guns and such.
@@courier6960Read more.
@@courier6960 Mistborn !
If she just picked up the bag, and she got mugged by those same thugs that assaulted her in the alley, that would at least be more believable and sympathetic than just leaving the bag of money behind to save a cat.
But that would make your progtag/insert look week and in need of growth, and we can't have that.
@@SM-cv8sv
We can’t have a *colored woman protag look weak. Fixed it.
@@SM-cv8sv Easy solution: Her muggers are trans-disabled women of color, and therefor are higher on the food chain. They naturally dominate this cis straight black woman as apex predators of the current social landscape.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 We Can’t have a. Fixed it.
they burn her entire apartment, but dont break in a rob her or anything?
i know drive by shootings exist, ive never heard of drive by burn entire apartment
Someone in Pyrocynical’s stream said “PS3 acting” and I’ll never not associate this game with that phrase from now on.
The first sign this was going to be bad (besides the dialogue) was putting the bag of money within the player view and not letting us use basic ass logic. She got two hands!! Or better yet put the cat in the bag wtf?!?
The best part of this is how avoidable the bad writing is. It is so easy to establish a thief character with no intentions of improving, tragic beginnings included that they shrug off. Perhaps they steal the bracelet from the actual chosen one, and get taken to this world in their place without the other world realizing something is wrong. They have this lore in the other world, a destiny set in place, and they still don't realize their hero never arrived to begin with. That has some real depth to it, but instead we get this stupid ass dialogue and a main character who's stupid for the plot, not because of her character traits.
Ooh, I love the idea of a petty thief stealing the destiny from a cliche "Chosen One"! It would be such a great subversion of the usual Joseph Campbell model. Literally not the hero the other world deserves, but the only one they got. Such a shame we didn't get that. Such wasted potential.
@@cartooncritique6625🤓
@@cartooncritique6625 I'm almost positive I've seen that plot used somewhere before.
@@BillyWitchDoctorDotCom Spy kids 3 =D
What’s to say that isn’t the plot already? She kinda strikes me as a shitty person.
This is why Square should let the writing to their Japanese team and not the newer western division.
That would just be another style of cringe if they wanted this to be the direction for the writing.
I hope this mean FF16 have the actual competent writers working on it
@@r3dr4te963 it’s the same team that does the writing for FFXIV online so we should be okay, the writing and acting in 14 is s some of their best writing if not the best in the series.
@@mockingjay4776 except it's actually good unlike this shit.
Square didnt make this luminous productions did; sauare published it blindfolded apparently
At 9:09, at the end of the warp tunnel, I'm seeing words. For a half a second. It says something "and title". Was this a dev leftover, a spoiler, or am I just seeing things? The 'T' really stood out to me.
Nah, you right, I saw something too