My first multi-engine lesson - The Flying Reporter
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- I have a lesson in the twin engine DA42 Diamond Star.
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I remember my frozen-ATPL-rated instructor saying this about whether or not twins were safer than single engined planes: "No, they just convey you more quickly to the scene of the accident!" (A reference of course of the difficulty and dangers of flying a twin when one engine has failed.)
The Diamond DA42 is, in my opinion, one of the best multi engine trainer aircraft on the market at this time. It's just a fabulous piece of engineering! I think it would make a great executive platform as well for short trips around the UK and Europe.
Jammy g****. leaving that little bit of power on, flattened out your flare and landing- nicely done. It has been a while since flying a Twin Seneca 3 and this looked way simpler. What fantastic improvements we are seeing in engine management systems.
The concentration and look that you weren't 100% comfortable when you were flying the twin! Nicely done Jon
Perth is where i fly out of John. Great airfield and I can’t wait to fly the DA42 after my ATPLS
You'll enjoy it I'm sure.
The video certainly didn't seem long, it was packed with information and concise. Great work as always.
Thanks Aidan.
Watch out Plane Old Ben, John the airline pilot soon. Cirrus plane next? 😀
Thank you both for sharing this beautiful video and information.
Excellent! Nice plane and beautiful surroundings. Very interesting video - very well done!
"Don't want to ding it..." is a masterful understatement! Great video Jon!
Hehe. A very english phrase.
just got the bose a20 headset and you can hear the difference between the instructors vs student
Fantastic I fly from Perth and ACS are a first rate organisation and all the instructor's and staff are very helpful. It is wonderful to see good instruction
I love watching all your videos well dune Jon .. have a good Christmas,, 😎😎
Thank you Gordon.
Another outstanding video Jon. A real insight into piloting a twin 👌👏👏👏
Very nice and pleasant video, really full of interest about ME aircraft.
Have a happy Christmas with your family, Jon, and thanks a lot for your passion !
Thank you Christophe. Merry Christmas.
What a fantastic instructor pleasure to ride along with you both 👍
Thanks for joining us. Bring sweets next time.
Excellent very instructional nice aircraft N
Good man yourself Jon. You really push the envelope of learning. Well done. Greetings from the west of Ireland. Happy Landings and Happy Christmas. Chris
Thank you Chris.
Used to work at Perth in the 90s and spent far too much of my paltry wages on 150s and Warriors, so this brings back some memories! As for the shot at the end, that VOR's Morse ident is tattooed onto my eardrums.
As to the Twin Star, I got a ride in one out of Provo, Utah a few years back. Elevation 4500', the guys there reckoned they'd be lucky to climb at all single-engine in anything warmer than mid-winter, so much so that the school was looking at installing more powerful engines. There were also concerns about operating white-and-light-grey aircraft in snow-covered mountains, but they couldn't be painted any other colour. The school weren't happy operating them in known icing conditions (I'm not sure whether these even had the de-icing option). Oh, and ATC hated them because their sleek lines made them damn near impossible to spot, especially against those mountains. All in all, I was left wondering why they'd chosen the TwinStars. Looks like a phenomenal machine, but not for that location!
Really interesting MEP video. I can’t wait to start on mine next summer, thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed the video Nick.
Very interesting Jon.
Essential viewing for anyone considering a multi-rating.
I see you’ve picked up the Plane Old Ben ‘Roger’ habit (!)
Outstanding, I learned to fly at Perth with Air Service Training in 1993. My first twin flight was in a c310 but just as a passenger. My first solo was after 7 hours and in those days Perth had a fully operational ATC.
Used to fly a C310 from Perth. Very comfortable and lots of grunt.
Happy Holidays and all the best for the New Year
Nice plane. 😎
I had an introduction to multi-engine flying in a Piper Seneca. Since I had learned to fly in Cherokees a lot was familiar, but there was a lot more to do and things happened a lot faster. It almost made me feel like a real pilot to call “positive rate...gear up”.
I imagine the Seneca is more manual compared to the DA42. Whereas the DA 42 is a lot of button pressing and computer/avionics work.
@@TheFlyingReporter The Seneca is an old-school plane: throttles, mixtures, props. It would be familiar to an Arrow pilot except for there being two of everything engine-related. When taxiing I was frantically watching the wingtips as we taxied by other planes. The instructor told me to use the mirror on the nacelle to keep the nose wheel on the centre line and all would be well.
Great video Jon. I just had a theory class on the DA42 where we discussed all the items you showed.
Even with the prop RPM and mixture managed in that aircraft there is still so much to do and think about and the look of concentration on your face said it all.
Informative video, cheers.
Thanks Melanie.
Brilliant!!!
Excellent video as always Jon.
Thank you Adrian.
Thanks for the flight. Instructor was good. Cheers.
Well done Jon. Have a great Christmas
Merry Christmas!
Another informative and interesting video, thank you Jon. The DA42 are a very common sight around BOH, my nearest airfield, usually "bashing the circuit".
They are a popular training aircraft. Thanks Georgina.
Maybe not so much these days since the major ATO that was there moved their 42s elsewhere and closed their BOH base
Jon, excellent video as always. I'd love to fly a DA-42 taster sometime also. I have a version of it on the sim and it is interesting to see most features are identical. I'll try some single engine operation next time I'm on. Beautiful aircraft and looks like picturesque quiet airspace. Happy Christmas and have a great New year.
Thank you Mark. Merry Christmas.
Very interesting and informative
I used to fly DA42 at egnatia aviation, really miss it, great aircraft ✈️
Jon, lovely video. I'm working on IFR/Commercial in February, been thinking of adding the Multi. Perhaps...
You should Joe.
Looking to go to Perth later this year and do a similar introduction to this, before doing the full MEP
that was a very interesting video, cool aircraft and a good instructor
You know you want one.
@@TheFlyingReporter now you just stop that now 😂
Lol
Great video Jon and hope you enjoyed the MEP experience. One point worth mentioning with regard to Diamond aircraft and that is cabin heating is performed via heat exchangers, hence there is no risk of CO entering the cabin - a big plus!
Interesting fact.
If I may add to that, it's not that it uses a heat exchanger for cabin heating (the Cessna 172 uses an air-metal-air heat exchanger, which if it leaks can cause CO to enter the cabin), rather it's that the DA42 rather unusually utilises liquid cooling instead of air cooling for the engines and thus the heat is from the hot water (as in a car) and the chance of a CO leak is practically zero.
Edit: should note that the DA42 manual nonetheless has a procedure for emergency ventilation in the event that exhaust fumes enter the cabin "due to a defect".
@@igclapp Correct. The DA40NG and my DA62 also has this feature and there has never been an incident of CO entering the cabin despite the precautionary manufacturers note.
Diamond aircrafts, the best trainers....
Such a good Video happy Christmas from
Paul Orpington
Thank Paul. Merry Christmas.
Thanks Jon really interesting. Flew a seneca many years ago, looks a bit out dated compared to the Twin Star!
That was fun to watch. I think you've found the next toy after the Archer maybe? 😉
Have a long way to go!
Great video, nice instruction. Also a great demo of the difference using a headset with and without a microphone muff makes. Please, anyone using a headset get a mic muff...!
When I saw the thumbnail, I thought, ‘That looks like Perth”.
I fly out of Perth.
Great video Jon and great day for it! You going to be chopping the Arrow in now? 😀
6:27 looking very relaxed haha
Good stuff, and useful to see the DA42 in a bit more detail. Having just completed my ME/IR on the BE76 at Blackbushe, I'd be interested to see you compare the two, as G-DANL currently has just a GNS430W and the rest is all steam - quite a contrast to the G1000. It's also a great deal cheaper than the DA42, handles beautifully and gives a good 500ft/min climb on a single engine.
Duchess doing 500 rpm single engine?? Maybe at standard temperature and 0 MSL. 😂😂😂. In fact I’m unaware of any light aircraft (piston powered) certificated for take off after an engine failure (at V1) as is required for transport category aeroplanes.
@@flyingphobiahelp Yes, that's fair (assuming you mean fpm not rpm), the performance graph suggests for the temperature, weight and altitude we should have had no more than 400ft/min on the particular occasion we observed it.
@@bluegremlin0 sorry about that, meant feet per minute.
Excellent, must ask FTA at Shoreham for a trial flight.
Why not.
Very nice, id love to try a twin
It's good isn't it! You should.
dead foot dead engine..mixt up ,pitch up power up ...positive climb ..gears up (aviate,navigate,communicate)
Great video. Thanks for that. One question? The badge on your shirt? Is that 216 Sqn RAF?
No. Its the fashion brand Scott and Lyle.
You should try flying a Multi engine airplane with manual engine controls without a fadec
It would of been interesting to see the simulator introduction.
*would HAVE been
@@jefflerner7526 Happy Christmas.
was this the first and only me lesson or are you planning on getting MEP
For the real experience, you really need to try a traditional piston twin, where you can experience the"full drill". Try a Seneca or similar!
Great video but I wish the FI would not eat the mic! :D
Oooooh I think they Twin Stars are MINT!!
Very comfortable and easy to fly.
HNY John. What are your flying resolutions
Happy New Year Dave. Do more of it.!
Dunno Jon. Sounds like two Englishmen. Sure u were in Perth? 😂😂😂😂. On a more serious note I’ve always found Vmca training to be waaaay too choreographed. Ditto with stall recovery. Alas, don’t have any constructive suggestions as to how either might be improved. PS. Really liked the guys sim -100% faithful to the real aeroplane- a big plus over the Redbird units
Thanks Douglas. I think at this stage of the training, it's about recognising the symptoms and understanding the concepts. I'm sure the deeper into the MEP training, the scenarios would be more real?
I heard one Englishman, and one Australian, who's lived in the UK for at least a couple of decades. :o)
@@TheFlyingReporter You're right that in the early stages, flying training does need to be choreographed. There is so much to learn and so much to take in that anything that was unexpected would be way too much to deal with. But I'm with Douglas in thinking that there is a risk for students if we ending training to soon, i.e. without giving the student time to have fully consolidated their learning. My suggestion for advanced training (e.g. IR and ME) would be that the student should have to talk the instructor through the exercises as thought they were an instructor themselves. This is based on the notion that if you really want to be sure you know how to do something, try teaching it to someone else! Even preparing to teach such a lesson can really sharped up your understanding of the topic.
An instructor who doesn't have a microphone sock on his headset microphone....not good. I wonder if this video will bring to his attention how badly his messages are corrupted by the absent sock...
I hope so, but the problem can also be solved by positioning the mic slightly below your mouth. It will still pick up your speech, but will not pickup the whistle from your mouth the air moves out as badly.
30 seconds of commercials to start = thumbs down
Aw, bless. Must have been tough for you. Maybe therapy will help?
Not a good idea to bank into the dead engine. That's pure bad initial instruction...laws of primacy states that you have to teach/show the right way first time. Also no need to go to the trim right away - learn to use your feet to apply appropriate force. Again primacy. Stress Vmc - not to let the airspeed drop below Vmc + 10.
@@droge192 your right about not trusting an armchair expert, however the aerodynamics work much the same for the DA42 as they do for any light twin. I should also point out that the DA42 with Lycoming engines is an option in the USA / Canada.