BLUETTI EP900 + B500 - 9,000w of power, 39kwh of storage
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2023
- BLUETTI just announced the EP900 and modular B500 battery at CES 2023 in Las Vegas. I headed to their booth to check it out and give you my first impressions.
This is a powerhouse that can easily compete with large server rack mount batteries and all-in-one inverter/chargers but with a cleaner install. Capable of 9,000w of pure since wave AC output and super fast 9,000w wall and solar charging, this can handle anything you can throw at it.
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Great highlights of the product. I've had one installed for a month now and have gotten the hang of it. It's a solid unit. I'll roll out a review on it shortly.
Thanks! Looking forward to your review. I couldn’t figure out how to integrate this with my 9kw solar array because it has microinverters so I passed on the review install. Seems like a very good system!
@@todd.parker ah, thanks for mentioning that. So to confirm, if you have microinverters on existing panels, there's not a solution to get this to work with the EP900 inverter? I'm not sure if I should mention this in the video. Might just recommend people reach out to Bluetti if they have panels already set up and confirm it will work for their specific setup. I have standard panels on a secondary solar array on my house and didn't run into that issue. It's a fun time to review these types of products as the market is going to explode over the next few years. Stay safe!
Thanks for a straightforward, informative and technical enough for non-engineers video without annoying CZcams “showmanship.”
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Awesome! Thank you!
thank, you for you're video.
At 9KW of for the base model I'd be set using it as my primary power source. Then have the power company for use as a backup. My place only uses 3.5 KWs monthly during hottest and coldest seasons.
I 101% agreed to Mr Frantz comment about after sales service.I bought 2 ac300 for split phase end of Nov 2022.Guess what one generator has error 008 which a lot consumer experience Over Current Protection hardware malfunction.Unable to use system for a week ,till now as im giving comment, no response from anyone from bluetti.$10000 worth of investment sitting idle.BUYERSSSSS.... Take your own risk
Curious if you've heard back. I know their support has been overwhelmed but they told me they've doubled their support organization recently so I'm hoping things improve
@@todd.parker Their support is overwhelmed because they choose to be overwhelmed. The seriousness of the cs problem there is truly of a class-action lawsuit nature.
@@TheTexasHorseman I agree they really need to fix their support ASAP and have been trying to make them aware of how serious an issue this is for customers. I think they finally got the message but it's unclear how long it will take to make things right.
But how can you buy one of those inverters that give 9000 watts and the batteries that go's with it? For what is it 3 weeks now and trying to buy the unit. They say can take in 9,000 watts from solar panels. I mean I can give it 18000 watts of the 23000 watts I have on my roof.
Amazing
Excellent video! If you get one for review do you think you can integrate it into your existing home solar setup?
Thanks! I’d need to change out my setup to use an interlock at a minimum but it seems this want to be wired right to the meter like a power wall so it’s a commitment! Wouldn’t say no though…
damn those things are beasts! I wish they'd make a darn cart for them though, 3kwh and up are so heavy.
They really are heavy
Great review, that unit looks like a great back up system. Tons of power. Wondering how I would adapt my solar system into since I’m using micro inverters. Be interesting to see how that would integrate.
Good question! I have the same setup with microinverters. I’d hope there is a way…
@@todd.parker are you using enphase Q7s..?
@@johnnysweekends Not 100% sure of the number but they are Enphase. Mine were swapped out recently because originals has issues
Todd. Did you speak w Bluetti about their not so great
CS reputation while you were out there? I’d like to own a pair of the 900’s but the last thing I need is another headache, so appears with their reputation that’s not happening anytime soon. Sad looks like a great product. Thank you. New sub w this vid.
I’ve had some very serious conversations with Bluetti about the importance of customer support. They know it’s a big problem and are doing quite a bit behind the scenes to scale up. I’m hoping they publicly announce what they are doing so people can see what concrete steps they’re are taking to hopefully turn around public perception.
@@todd.parker If they put as much energy into helping their existing customers as they do developing more things they can't support it would be smart.. There are very very few happy customers.
@@TheTexasHorsemanthat sums it up.
Look into Humless power systems for residential, commercial and off-grid solutions. They've been doing high KW battery backup power storage solutions for over 12 years now, and when you call them they'll answer the phone or call you right back.
@@mb5ggX2SyFMM Thanks. I bought the updated Apollo’s, two of them for a 240 split phase system. Only 10.7 kwh for now. Ill be picking up another 10.7 kwh later. That will suffice for me. The Apollows ship late Aug. Im told.
as always it'll come down to price, cause all the major brands are coming out with whole house energy!
I would want two sets of these on my van just to make sure that I'm good in times of heavy energy usage like AC or heating etc or if I have an electric car that needs charging too
These could definitely handle that!
It does look nice but Bluetti's after sales service needs an overhaul from the ground up.
frustrating experience
Agree ive only been able to get support by talking a little bit of shit on they live stream while they trying to sell stuff they email immediately
Ha, good tip
So bad in the UK that i sent AC200p back, customer service is more like customer bullying! 😅
Well the EB 900 I like that but I'd want two of them with all their batteries that means to EB 900 and 16 EB 900's batteries and that's actually all I would need with my solar panels not that I need 18,000 w of power but 12,500 Watts would be good.
Would this work in a Cargo Conversion Trailer? To me, it's clean and simple looking something i would have to hind
Is there an estimated availability to ship date they shared with you? I do like the 900 specs.
No word yet on when these will ship out. (sorry of that spam reply, I deleted it)
Late July 2023
I'd buy it in a hard beat looks great UPS mode and good power, with the reputation I will wait for this purchase until they turn their service around :(
I get that concern, it’s a big ticket item. I’ll say that Bluetti is working hard to improve support and I’ve recently had better luck calling and having someone pick up or getting an email reply quickly. They need to re-earn that trust though
@@todd.parker do you know when this unit will be available it really looks great and for the right price it sure is worth looking in to it still skeptical for service
Are they safe for outdoor like shows in their informational graphics? Snow & Rain safe, its IP rated but will the plastics wear well outdoors? I'm also glad that it exists but costwise where does it stand against Tesla Powerwall?
I’m not sure but personally I wouldn’t leave them outside, the heat and cold will definitely impact the lifespan of any battery. Garage or basement would be better
Well I've been trying to find out where I can buy the EB 900 and all it's batteries times two but they don't have eny thing to add to the cart or buy. How can I buy the EB900 and the batteries?
Hey I know this is an older vid, but I just saw the EP900 is on their website now limited to 100 right now. I’m actually building out a coffee trailer and was wondering if you’d help me with a couple questions I have about powering the trailer
Also now that it’s been a couple months since originally posting, are they any positive updates on their customer support?
Feel free to ask Qs here. As far as support goes, yes there have been improvements - they have a proper ticketing system now to track progress, they will actually answer the phone, and you can create issue tickets in the app. They aren't perfect but are clearly working on it.
Any general idea of when they'll be released for sale?
I haven’t heard a specific date yet
For someone whom does not want to use an internet connection, do they have a unit that can be controlled directly from the unit? Looking for total home especially during hurricaine season. Had friends locally who were without,power for 13 weeks.
That's a good question. I don't have info on that but I'd like to think you can direct connect to it vis wifi (w/o internet) like Ecoflow does.
you can direct connect through bluetooth on your phone, doesn't need to go to the cloud.
for some stupid reason, it requires 'location' being turned on, though. I have no idea why.
Can you install in a camper truck
What's people's opinion: could I place these outside the house around the year next to the main power panel. Winter's go to -20 or some days -30 ?
I’d say definitely not. These will operate down to 0F so they’d need to be in your basement. They also aren’t weatherproof enough to have outside, I think
@@todd.parker Thank you Todd for the swift response. How fire safe are these then to place indoor in a basement?
@@DC9848 LFP batteries are safer than Lithium Ion batteries.
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My home uses 1,150kwh average per month....will just one of these work for me?
How would this Compare to Ecoflow's Home backup system?
Good question. The EP900 is more powerful and more of a permanent installed system vs. the Delta Pro which is designed for portability. The EF power kits are similar but geared towards van builds or maybe off-grid cabins vs. whole home backup (like a Powerwall) that the EP900 is focused on.
@@todd.parker personally I would have been satisfied with the 6000w inverter the UK version has. I can almost run everything at the same time with the ac300
@@Moes_Prep_and_Tech Yeah, in my home I usually only use 4-5kw max. I've only peaked at 8-9kw a few times a year but since this can handle 240v appliances like AC units, well pumps, etc. I can see loads being heavier.
The main issue I find with the system is no LCD panel. In case there’s a cyber attack and the Internet goes down!
How are you going to make any adjustments if you don’t have a way to do it on your phone?
It's not just Internet based. It also has bluetooth connection to a local device.
@@tetelestai1919
Bluetooth can be hacked also! Just saying, I would feel more comfortable with multiple windows. 🖖
@@simon359 BT can be hacked, but the hacker needs to be quite close. Having said that, I agree that a control panel on the unit would be welcome.
Maybe they’ll offer an accessory display at some point? I agree that redundancy is good
so each 900 can only handle 3 b500 batteries so two systems for off grid whole house , how much?
Each battery is 5kwh to 6x is 3.0 kWh but I think it can handle more batteries
So weird that Bluetti is focusing on this, rather than releasing an EB5A or an EB7A or an EB10A.
I think they are probably working on both but they haven't announced anything on the small side of things yet
The Ac60 with expandable b80 batteries is about to come out also the Ac180
It's about time for a new 200, even the Max doesn't have UPS. Maybe an AC200Pro or AC250
Saving up now!!!
Can an electrician install the system or does it need to be installed by Bluetti? If installation by an electrician is possible, how is the transfer switch purchased?
I’m pretty sure an electrician can do it, seems pretty straightforward
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If I get this it's not to be plugged into the grid forget that!😉
But ep900 is grid tied, so how can they claim it's your personal power station.
It can be used to either fully power an off grid home or be used in a grid tied scenario like a Tesla Powerwall
@@todd.parker they said at ces in another video that it was grid-only, where do you see anything different
@@KingLarbear it can be used off-grid too. I have EP600 system in Latvia. The person who said that can only work grid-tied is wrong or misinformed.
Yes I saw this system installed in Idaho on an off grid setup. That’s the beauty of it.
@@todd.parker if it can be grid tied and off grid then could it be also for next metering( selling excess solar)?
Hi. Im liz from 5he phillippines i want to how much is the price and how to avail it.
Hello sir, I love your solar generator, and is not available for Nigerian users, I like to represent them in Nigeria.
You should reach out to Bluetti to arrange that
What's the difference between the AC500 and EP900, why the difference in naming, this is confusing
They are pretty different. The AC500 is a large plug-and-play system with a 5,000w inverter that you can just hook together and use like a powerful power station.
The EP900 is more of an professionally installed, whole home system like a Tesla Powerwall that is designed to be hard wired to your electrical panel and grid meter. It has a 9,000w inverter - there's no output ports or display so you just install it in your basement or garage and monitor it from your phone.
I just got off the phone with customer service and they said the EP900 is the inverter and the AC500 the batteries for the system. That makes sense because 3 of the AC500s combined with the EP900 inverter would give you close to 18-19 kWh and 2 of the EP900 and 6 AC500 would give you over 30kwh max system.
Are we able to order EP900?
I’m m not sure when it will be released, no word from Bluetti
So if I just hook it up turn on no buttons no worries is just start working and I really don't need nothing special just for it to run my house and if it never runs out of power and always has plenty of solar panels to charge it up when those really bad time comes and you don't get sun for a long time to those units should work pretty good at 39 kilowatts and 39 kilowatts would that B900 and another B900 that might work for me with two B900's and all it's batteries for both of them and 18000 watts of solar panels and it will still live me with solar panels that I will need to something else for the rest of the solar panels on the house. Well I guess I will need two more EG 4 inverters.
But how much does the batteries cost so I can buy the rest of the batteries for the B900.
cost?
Nothing is finalized but Bluetti told me a they are projecting a system with and EB900 + 2 batteries would be $10k for a 10kWh system which is pretty good considering the quality and power of this system. Hoping to review this in the fall.
They’re not available yet. I called them.
Should be soon...
What dies this system cost
I think it will around 10k for the main unit and 2 batteries (10kwh) but that’s not official
Looks nice from first minute watch. I had to quit because the music was messing with my head and I had to turn off. Had a stroke and this jarring music causes issues with me. Sorry.
Background music raises hell with my tinnitus.
bluetti should fix their unefficient inverter first
Blue Eddie 900 I want two of those units with all its batteries that It can take then I hook them up to solar system that does not write to their hundred percent power and make it so to completely charge in four and a half to five and a half and I can go up to six and a half hours to whatever it is to make the battery life longer to make it take a little bit longer to charge to full but still better do it in a day's time a little less than a day's time so there be no real quick charging to no quick decreasing of the power just double or triple the lifespan of the battery just to make it a 25-year battery like I did with my lead-acid batteries that last me 30 years. And yes I do want to change my battery system two or more rated solar panels are still using a letter at the baggage which all they had back then when I started yeah they had solar panels out there long before they had those when they only had that lead acid batteries, or or are you going to tell me that they had these way back in the 1980 or when they first invented solar panels 1964. Which I'm not from that far dack I started my solar back in the 1980's and my lead-acid batteries are now starting to go bad.
Yes I started learning about solar panels when I was a kid my dad gave me his old batteries my Grandpa gave me his old batteries in my other grandpa gave me his old batteries and I hooked them together but only as a 12-volt system and I've been using it ever since and out of all that time I've only lost 10 batteries out of 36 batteries which I did replace but now where I got to replace a bunch of batteries about 28 of them and here my batter's ain't solo rated maybe I'll get some batteries supposed to work more for the solar panels. But I can't see buying a battery that cost so much more where I could buy 18 batteries too price of one of EG4 battery that is insane to the $93 to each lead-acid battery 1000 amps 135 amp hour. Impressive haul that acid batteries work so well but cost reasonable price but I did see some AGM cost $269 for one AGM 100 AMP hour battery, less than the 135 amp hour of my battery and they cost three times more.
So you guys say there's something better than the common lead acid batteries at good price point and will last longer I just ask that they last just as long as what my lead-acid batteries last me but not at a highway robbery cost and only a third as long.
Yes I know everybody wants become billionaires and even trillionaires but to what cost is it going to cost everybody else where to get a 30-year mortgage and has to protect that they're going to work at the same job for 30 years and hope it's not going to close down or there'll be a crash or a crunch or downsize. You see they want everybody to get into solar have a power wall / batteries or whatever but to what means. To where 90% of the United States has to file bankruptcy and lose everything to make a 90 trillion dollar debt just so China come over here and throw salt in the ocean without boats or life jackets I mean what happens if China for closes under 30 trillion dollars we owe to China but first we can add 90 trillion dollars to it yet yes there's some people that can afford solar panels are fordable I can live with the cost of the inverters for the most part but the batteries something that usually cost less then what is everything else did. Let me give you an example I buy one lead-acid battery for my car that battery does not cost $$40,000 to the price of the car that you already got to pay$40,000 that was so Ford companies Chevrolet companies all car companies work went out of business cuz people could not buy cars then because they couldn't afford the batteries and no I will not buy the solar panel inverter sell electricity to the electric company and pay twice as much for it or three times as much as for actually it's five times as much for it to come back into my house. I cannot see the cost of the batteries more than the solar panels more than inverters put together and half the cost of your house for everybody to get what they need. Just so they won't have any problems yes I know I see some videos like that where they do have actually no problems at all no inverter problem the battery of a problem no generator problems but there's too many of them that just doesn't know anything from anyting I can't get nothing to where they need to work.
Yes I'm planning on getting a mortgage to get what I would need almost. What I'm actually going to use it for is a few things one is a truck a car and another car and nothing will be new it's all will be used but they all will have less than 100,000 miles on them , I will also put new siding on my house I knew rough new walls two new floors carpet One floor and maybe the hallway all new ceilings to the whole house. Do you want to know the worst part about it is that is I'm going to use the rest of the money to buy solar panels inverters batteries powerwall generators it's batteries and it's solar panels and that is the most expensive part of everything and I could break it all down to you for you to to what actually cost more granite buying solar panels cost me what it cost me to buy the used truck with only 95000 miles on it a Chevy pick up four-door short box. The price of the batteries for the solar panels cost as much as the two cars that I'm going to buy one with 68,000 miles and the other with 38,000 miles on it. Oh I forgot to tell you I'm also buying a camper probably a 40 foot old used yes need some work yes that actually cost the same as the inverters. Something changes the generator the solar panels it's batteries to everything I need so I have no problems what so ever cost as much as a truck car and car camper citing sheathing walls and shingles and also the windows I'm going to replace on my house. I'm actually using 1/4 of the money for the mortgage I'm getting to repair everything on the house and get the vehicles I'm getting as well as the camper the rest of the money is going to solar inverters batteries generators battery solar system and I guess that's the tip of the iceberg least interest rates won't be so bad it's a fixed rate will never change it's not so bad of an interest rate something like 7.2 and also be able to pay off early meanness or panel inverter to have to make it so I can make money by selling it to the electric company they pay $0.14 per kilowatt I do believe they sell it at fifty cents a kilowatt back to you again least that's what they charge for electricity anyways. This way I can put the money into the mortgage to add onto the mortgage I'm already paying just to make the payments go down and to make it disappear eventually. Course if I would have got a separate loan for the truck the car the car and camper I would just pay it off in 4 to 5 years fixing up the house I would just go buy the material when I had the money which is happening this year anyways or this summer.
Lead acid batteries are a poor value compared to LFP, full stop. They have a much lower cycle count to 80% (500 vs 3,000+) and you can only discharge them to 50% vs 100% for LFP so you need twice as many for the same capacity.
www.super-b.com/en/lithium-iron-phosphate-batteries/lithium-vs-lead-acid-batteries
This customer service thing I'm reading about them has just confirmed what I suspected. I sent them an email inquiry 2-3 days ago. No reply till now.
Imagine if I had a real problem after I had bought it. Terrible.
They are improving quickly but still have a ways to go...
Another new product from Bluetti that will have tons of problems during use and no customer support.
frustrating experience.....i wish I research more before buying coz theres lot of better company with great service.
@@ronaldreyes-fn4xj any tips as to which companies I should be leaning towards as a potential buyer?
I use Bluetti products and have never had any problems. Solid products.
@@rraymond4912 Look into Humless power systems for residential, commercial and off-grid solutions. They've been doing high KW battery backup power storage solutions for over 12 years now, and when you call them they'll answer the phone or call you right back.
Thanks mate . Was considering about this .. not now
Goodbye to power lines.
So you lose your device and then cannot operate it.
Well I'll take two ed900 for 18 kilowatts of power going out to run all my big loads which I probably only need which is actually 13.6 kilowatts turn my big loads since I don't have natural gas propane or anything like that and the rest of the power can run my 120 v you probably ain't this somewhat your 2000 w 1700 w 1800 w and some 30 amp 220 split air conditioner heaters. And some electrical tools. I know have some other solar panels of hell part of some of that stuff for an inverted help out and that stuff EB900 and all the batteries they can take and 20 kilowatts of solar panels if it can take it each.
The only thing is we're coming at you going to buy it since every time I go to Dad's to buy it they don't let me put it in my car to buy it or even buy it do they have it at don't they have it is just to talk or is this just pretending it's there and still got a build-it. Okay so I'll give it 18 kilowatts of power and I'll just buy more inverters.
Look into Humless power systems for residential, commercial and off-grid solutions. They've been doing high KW battery backup power storage solutions for over 12 years now, and when you call them they'll answer the phone or call you right back.
To bad Bluetti has the absolute worst customer service of any company I have dealt with in the last 30 years, yes even worse than the federal government. Their tech is awesome but there in zero concern for after sale support. Just do a search and get on their forum to see if I'm telling a fib or not.
I've been raising this issue with Bluetti for a while now. They told me they are taking this seriously and are scaling up their customer support team but I want to see results too. It's the #1 thing.
What do you profit from use this product. Let say your electric bill $200 a moth then $2400/year after 10 year will $24000. How much this product will cost you + cost of installation the system with all solar panels?
Make up your mind
I heard a 10kwh system (2 batteries + inverter) will be around 10k. It probably wouldn't cover your full home's use so it will lower your bills but not to $0
Most likely not worth it to be used to power the whole home with grid. But good for off grid where there is no access to a grid.
NO RESPONSE FROM BLUETTI.
The fact that it is reliant on a phone for an interface is just stupid. I bet this thing radiates the crap out of you as you probably can't turn the bluetooth or wifi off because you can't interact with it if it's off. Deal breaker for me.