Spelunky Speedrunner caught cheating after 8 years!
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How did a Spelunky Classic speedrunner get away with cheating for 8 years? Watch the video to find out!
Thanks to Saturnin55, Gary, Groomp, and everyone in the Spelunky community for helping keep the boards clean!
UPDATE: Barrymode was shown this video 5 days prior to posting and has since responded by changing the title of his run to reflect the truth.
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great video :) shoutout to the spelunky community , you guys are awesome
except that one guy
@@Grooomp lol
@@Grooomp don't know why that made me laugh so hard
Team Groomp for life!!
@@sethc9781 YES
I feel bad for ExplodingCabbage, had the real WR for years and didn't even know it.
How 2.53 is better than Groomp's 2.40?
@@1God1Fury Groomp's was achieved only in 2021. EC's run was submitted in 2010. He had the WR for 11 years
And won't even get the satisfaction now 1) because he was beaten for real 2) because it just doesn't come with any satisfaction to come upon that knowledge now as a "winner".
@@weevilsnitzThe thing with speedrunners is that quite a lot of them cheat for years and years without being caught and then you get this landslide investigation affect where it turns out half the runners are cheaters. See minecraft as an example. So its entirely possible EC, Groomp or various other people on the spelunky boards are also cheating - not saying they are, just pointing out that I wouldn't be surprised if they also were.
@@1God1Fury Use your brain.
I think the scariest thing about this is that we have no idea if this is just an isolated event or if more runs have been faked by others. If a believed world record was allowed to stand for that long because concrete proof wasn’t known, how many other ways could and have speedruns been cheated without any scrutiny?
As long as we have persistent community members the cheaters will always end up getting caught...especially when their position is so high on the board.
@@XanaGear That’s true, it is admirable seeing how persistent people are in catching cheaters even this much later. It just sucks thinking that there are people getting praise they don’t deserve cause they didn’t honor the rules
This is a risk with every single speed game. There are likely cheated runs sitting on just about every semi-popular leaderboard out there. Runs that aren't top 10 generally don't get looked hard at, and runs by established community members can be given the benefit of the doubt. You can at least rest easy knowing that the WR (and most likely the top 3) on many boards nowadays are getting looked at with a level of scrutiny never seen before, thanks to the recent popularity of these videos.
Honestly at this point If we can figure out how to to CO, we can catch a cheater.
It also varies with how much attention is paid to the leaderboard. Xana says in the video that the Spelunky community largely moved on to the other games in the series, and that's reflected on how many runs have been submitted to each game. Any% has 152 entries for #1, 211 for #2, but only 29 for Classic.
More popular games will have more scrutiny, and higher runs will have more scrutiny. But as glitch-hunters and other researchers find out more about the game, it means there's more information available to expose potential cheaters. A while back a Super Meat Boy run was found to be spliced because someone discovered that the loading animation uses a fixed clock cycle. Then a run of A Link to the Past was found to be spliced because someone discovered that the way you kill Ice Armos has an effect on Ganon's firebat pattern.
In many of these cases, including this Spelunky run, people in the community were already suspicious, it just wasn't easy to prove until more research was done on the game. It's just a matter of how public those suspicions are.
""I'm sure he'll do the right thing at this point"
If sarcasm was a harnessable form of energy, oil/nuclear/electric/wind/etc would become obsolete overnight from this statement alone.
He actually did, 8 years too late but the video's gone now.
i feel bad for the person who had the record for 10 years
saturnin55 did some really impressive detective work to solve the missing tile. I was pretty active in ye olde Spelunky Classic modding scene, and I'd completely forgotten that the Savable Spelunky mod existed. Indeed, without the context of that mod, the missing tile is compeltely bizarre - most of the ways you'd want to tinker with the game to make a bogus speedrun would never touch the transistion screens.
yeah, it's really cool that he was able to find it especially with the forums being down
:NOTAPLANET:
What's really interesting is that it turned out that the guy didn't actually use that mod. He used Cheat Engine to run the same seed repeatedly, spliced together his best run of each room, and then made his own Game Maker mod of the transition screens to make believable fake ones with "accurate" timers for the spliced rooms to edit in.
Literally any mod to the transition screen would delete that tile, it only proved his game was modded, not how. But by sheer coincidence, both him and the creator of the save mod got lazy in the same way and didn't bother re-placing the tile, so because nobody involved understands programming, they thought it was proof he was using the save mod.
@@Chocomint_Queen “nobody understanding programming” is not correct, he actually didn’t run the same seed repeatedly as well…he said this much in his comments.
The fact is that he didn’t use the mod we thought he used, but we came to the same conclusion after we learned that game maker 8 deletes tiles when placing objects.
Knowledge of programming has absolute nothing to do with this discovery, it actually comes down to arbitrary knowledge of an outdated program that has since been fixed to no longer have this issue.
@@XanaGear Yea lol, I've been using gamemaker for almost 10 years and I didn't know it used to do this. Great detective work. Though knowing that gamemaker best practices are to execute code through invisible objects usually kept in the top left corner did make this my first thought when I first saw it (at the beginning of your video lol).
That last point I wish more people would take to heart. "It's just a game, everything'll be fine."
You mean he didn’t just have a good gaming chair? :(
Back then, there's no such thing as "gaming chair".
frankly my gaming chair is EXTREMELY offended at these accusations of being less powerful than people believe
@@Trimint123 Um yes there was? DXRacer made the first line of them back in 2006. Not even two years later they became very profitable.
Apparently he has already admitted that the run is segmented and changed his video title and description - of course not without featuring "world record" in his new description text.
yeah, he only mentioned in the description that it is a "would be world record". title should be changed. but hey, what ever get you clicks, huh?
"after 8 years, wow, like all the way back in 2005?" - Me, unironically.
Like he explained to Vice the run is still “totally real in every way” right? I mean, he did have to press all the buttons and move and stuff to beat these levels he played over and over before splicing them together amirite 🤠
Weird how, if the mod simply put the tile in one of the open spots of the rectangle Guy walks through, he'd still be getting off scott free to this day.
honestly, thank god the modmaker /didnt/ put it there! i doubt it was intentional, but its such a neat way to tell a modded game from a vanilla one.
As someone who used to be involved in the speedrunning communities, it really seems they're all pretty much run by dirtbags.
I wonder why he didn't edit it inn, that would have taken a couple of minutes and the record would have held up to this day.
@@svampebob007 Cheaters are lazy. That's why they cheat, instead of working hard for the actual real win.
I love how you in a way made yourself the the (or one of the) head leaders of the community.
its also nice to see you do all kinds of different spelunky videos!
Caveman holding golden idol my beloved
@@nitroflux_o1040 lol
So glad to finally have this run removed from the record progression after all this time. It's an exciting time for spelunky classic runners as we're adding lots of new categories and renewed excitement in the game is occurring.
Shoutout to ExplodingCabbage 🤴
absolute legend
11 full years is insane
Love these kinds of videos, and they are always fire when done by someone intimate with the game/community. I hope to see more in the future!
I don't know what spelunky is, but somehow this video is super interesting
Classic spelunky is totally free if you ever wanna check it out.
It's a roguelike platformer about spelunking down into a deep cave system thing. A new game called Spelunky 2 just released a few months ago and added many new things to it. Note this is a pretty punishing game! one wrong move\gamble and you might get "Spelunky'd" and combo'd to death by the like 50 traps in each level
@@adirblazkowics7717 no
It’s a ligma
Same here, somehow sucked me in without a care in the world about the game itself
Great video, Xanagear. I had no idea this was all kicking off just next door in Spelunky Classic land! Good job to the gang for getting to the bottom of it.
I REALLY love "how to embarrass yourself a spelunky story"
Gosh, groomp is amazing
LOL hello !!
@@picori4847 hi!
A whole video about cheating and not one Derek “your cheating” sound clip
Link of the sound clip
That Game Maker level editing screen really took me back.
Wow this is amazing, caught after 8 years. His description has been updated to "Let legends be legends"
Bruh what the hec. Also wanted to say xana, this video amazing and greatly edited. Thank you!
i wanted to check the vid for that but i cant find it. did he remove it?
@@Slash0mega yeah missing for me too
@@Slash0mega lol good
"music videos for conservatives" 🤔
@@swagmankayearIQ Probably not
Hmm..
They arent smart enough to sense music
too funny lmao. makes perfect sense
@@ege8240 Your pfp genuinely made me try swatting a "fly" off my phone..
Man, spelunky classic was one of my favorite games back in the day. Awesome video!
I like this gaming documentary style video, summoningsalt energy
I can already tell I don’t hate this guy though
@@AltF-io3dy ???
@@chasefray oh sorry I commented on the wrong thing
oh no since when dream started playing spelunky
"what motivated you to speed run?"
"i liked that cheater"
I don't think he has to take the video down. It's historic at this point. I just think he should be honest about it being cheating. And perhaps do a video on "how I cheated my way to a WR"
Only have slightly dabbled in Spelunk but this was super entertaining. Amazing to see what looks like an obviously fake run disproven after all this time
Not the only exposing needed in the community. I think we all remember a certain Twiggle scorerun video where if you look closely, the timer freezes at 9:59:59
I think that was just a glitch man
so true!
@Grey Star czcams.com/video/Qbtr-YC_MJM/video.html. This is of course a joke, but still a great run to watch
"I'm sure he'll do the right thing"
Anyone who's used the internet before: *wheezing*
Legend
Guys, he didn't cheat. He just drank coke and ate pizza during the transition screens, which gave him both mental and physical energy.
That's a pro gamer move
The Trackmania community: Hold my controller.
rioulu, a well known player/streamer who everyone respected and was on top of a lot of leader boards, got caught cheating after 10 years.
And many, many more, a lot of people that was on top of the leaderboards were doinh the same, but at least they discovered them and they can't pull the same trick anymore
Dream was caught cheating as well and confessed.
@@SirOinkers Who?
Oh my god, Barrymode's current channel is *so* embarrassing. Wow.
and why am I not surprised he's a conservative? somehow it makes perfect sense.
@@PrismariLaura
Yes because Liberals never cheat, right? Get off your high horse.
@@postplays nobody said that lol
@@postplays cry about it
@@PrismariLaura If you think that's bad then you have not seen the average democrat.
It's been so long since i watched spelunky content,I didn't notice this was Xanagear until I finished the video
I've been playing spelunky for 4 - 5 years. I saw this run and thought it was amazing. But I didn't notice it was cheating. Guess that's how it lasted 8 years.
Very interesting! Great video, Xana.
The saddest thing to me is that if this mod was widely known, and the runner was honest about what they were doing, this might have made an interesting TAS category.
I'm sure other runners could top that time using the same cheats, but the idea of using save scumming in spelunky to get a perfect run is kind of intriguing to me. There are tons of different categories in this game, and a category using cheats or other tool assisted methods could have been a completely valid way of playing if there hadn't been any deception
Almost anyone could beat his time with any sort of knowledge of the game. I’ll do a quick run of it this weekend and give my thoughts on the category.
@@XanaGear I would be interested to hear speculation on whether or not you think this was his best cheated run. You make it sound like this game could be beaten MUCH faster with this cheat, so is it possible he did a slower run on purpose to try to make it look legit?
Or do you think this was his genuinely best cheated run and he just didn't have the skills that other classic runners have?
@@ckillgore I believe this is the best run he could get together.
@@ckillgore as far as we know, he only played spelunky for at most about a month - groomp, who has years of experience in all 3 spelunky games, was able to get a 2:08 today using the mod without too much trouble
I think being known as "a guy who makes conservative parody songs" is a far more damning fate than anything we can do to him
Truly a doomed fate right there.
being strongly political on any side is ultimate cringe
@@Blox117 omega-brain centrist here ladies and gents
@@noax7635 oh wait. you are a cRap 'artist' and a reddit user. that explains everything we need to know
@@Blox117 Lol was it that easy to trigger you by calling you a centrist? You'll be out of your teenage angst phase soon little guy. Good luck.
Finally a spelunky speedrun video!
I always see people talking about minecraft or gta or 007 speedruns but never about spelunky
If I understood the video correctly, I'm surprised that a working download link to the savestate mod was still intact after ~8 years.
It wasn't the guy who found it got it from an internet archive like way back machine
@@LilMonkeh that makes a lot more sense, thanks
Great video! Never heard of this adorable game. Subbed! :D
i had not heard of spelunky until april and then it brought me back to this video cuz i watched it
Great video XanaGear :) commenting for the algorithm
This is the King of Kong for the Spelunky age
sweet video - thanks for explaining things so clearly
He couldn't make it as a Fastest Mario.
Conservatives just aren't cut out for the alternative sexual marketplace of the radical left's speedrunning. He was still stuck in his work ethic of "do it right" instead of "go fast", in the Petersonian sense
Transition from Spelunky to Spelunky 2 is amazing!
Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't SDA accept a lot of segmented runs? Did this guy specifically claim RTA record?
I can't find Barry's video, so I assume he has deleted it.
Very interesting video. I myself have only done a few speedruns of games though I never uploaded them, I just did them for fun, one of my speedruns was Super Mario Land. I think my record time was something like 15 minutes, which last I checked the fastest time for that game was 12 minutes, so I’m pretty happy with that.
I think he deleted the video now? I tried to look for it but it wasnt on his channel
I like to think the cheater doesn't remember anything about cheating.
I also like to think the actual WR holder from 11 years ago doesn't even remember the game existed.
I have no idea why but that is funny to me.
Good hunting, gathering of evidence, and display of such evidence in a direct organized manner.
i dont see the video? did he take it down?
Catching cheaters will always beat any speed run world first any day.
Super interesting video! Thanks for the awesome content :)
Can you cover my obviously spliced Drainmec HD WR next?
(The cut is on the last temple exit door, you can miss it) :)
If the video is to be taken down then I hope the archives have made copies of it, for obvious historical reasons.
Great video Xana
to be honest i didn't know there was a spelunkey classic until now
How come ExplodingCabbage's run isn't on classic leaderboards anymore?
Never knew this was what og spelunky looked like.
shout out to ExplodingCabbage for their achievement, if you remember any name from this video, it should be theirs
The Lance Armstrong of Spelunky. 😞
6:30 he already responded to it.
it is in the video description of his "world record".
AWESOME video!! Loved it!
What? Someone who simps on the GQP is a CHEATER? So it aint so!
Metal gears 6: The speedrun drama of a obscure game
cool video, topics like this are always interesting no matter the game
how many other speedrun moderators are cheaters that are currently getting away with it?
im kinda curious was the audio clean with the splice?
Music cuts completely during level transition so we didn't notice any discrepancies, not to mention the video quality was fairly low.
Nice video Xana! :-)
Holy shit I thought this community was dead, nice to see people still playing this game as well as bieng so enthusiastic about its competitive side :D
underrated channel 👍
Great video Xana
So, if he had just spliced all of the loading screens, no one would've caught him??
It might be just a game, but he didn't only cheat in a videogame... He cheated in a competition of skill. It would be a different story if he just played and cheated in his room as a kid bc nobody would know about it. Posting it on the internet = you want it to be judged.
Nonono, guys, he just shifted into second gear before the game started.
This has some Fireb0rn “Cotton caught cheating” vibes
Great vid, maybe I should try out classic.
Great job exposing the truth and I'm glad he has admitted it.
One thing though, you say at one point 'This immediately discredits any reply he might have' or something to that effect. I think this is too strong a statement at the point where he has not admitted his fault yet. We should always be open minded enough to hear and consider the argument. Obviously the evidence and the detail required to change your mind at that point would be a very high bar to meet, but don't put yourself in a mental state where you "immediately discredit" someone's side of the story before you hear it.
Obviously here the certainty was ultimately justified, but it isn't always the case and it's a good reflexive muscle to build to catch yourself from making a mistake.
PS - I really appreciated that you asked people not to try to attack/destroy him, obviously remove the record, discredit him, let everyone know the truth, but then it's time to move on. That is the right way to handle it. Shaming people very often hardens them and makes them dig in, if they even feel any shame at all (e.g. Billy Mitchell). Plus everyone makes mistakes and we should allow them a path to admit it and learn/mature from those mistakes. Barry has sorta done the first part, and we can hope he does the second part, but the point is that at least you gave him the option. The rest isn't really about you, me, or anyone else but Barry, it's up to him to make the most of it.
So why wasn't the missing tile alone enough to disqualify it? Why it was missing was most certainly a mystery, but since it was hardcoded in... there was no doubt that it was only missing if he didn't mess with the game files in the first place. Add to that some questionable choices in the speedrun itself and that pretty much confirms something went on and that should be enough to disqualify him and the run.
Yeah, we could remove it from Mossranking but unfortunately he was the supermod on SRC. We wanted the full story before we presented to SRC staff.
He would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for the meddling mod maker who mistakenly deleted the third tile.
have literally never been interested in spelunky. after watching this video im redownloading as i write this comment
Great vid but I got TWO fallout 76 ads :’( I forgot about it until now and wish I didn’t remember
I played spelunky classic back in high school, and just yesterday picked up spelunky 2 on my switch! Great games
Just a game in the same way that Everest is just a mountain
did barry remove his speedrun?
I think people ought to have suspected the missing tile more. It's one of those things you could ask from the beginning: has any other player ever seen a missing tile? Or is this something about this guy's game that we should really be suspicious about. A google search at the time might reveal the mod (someone mentioning the missing tile when using the mod), or reveal that 0% of people who played the game had ever seen a missing tile.
I've never watched anything Spelunky related. How am I here and why am I interested in it?
Anyone in any community learns quickly that if you call bullshit on a moderator or anyone in an elevated position, you get your post deleted, banned, or accused of shit-stirring and discredited. It would not surprise me if he did this at some point.
get the pitchforks boys
So you're saying there could potentially be more people splicing using a mod that doesn't make the mistake of deleting a tile
oh how i love speedruning drama
How do cheaters live with the guilt that they are a fraud, and that they are robbing someone else of the award that they weren't skilled enough to achieve? It just seems so pointless.
Watched with no sound and subtitles but still enjoyed throughly. I especially liked the part where you made sure to tell people not to turn this into a hate crusade.
This guy's in reeeeeaaaal trouble.
As always - The real record in speed running is not how fast you beat the game but how long it takes before you are caught cheating that record. Why people waste their time cheating a record I'll never know. You don't just cheat a community, You cheat yourself.
That might have been not the only illegitimate record. And rip cabbage :(