VW Golf | GTI vs GTD vs GTE
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- Want a fast Volkswagen Golf but can't decide between a GTI petrol, GTD diesel or GTE plug-in hybrid? Parkers' deputy reviews editor Adam Binnie compares all three cars side by side and decides which is the best Volkswagen Golf hot hatch for your money.
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No drag race. Why not when you have all three and on a runway 🤕
Noted. Watch this space.
Niyaz Chowdhury it's quite obvious what would happen
Hey
Shafi Chowdhury hi sir
Right, 155 thumbs up on this comment - looks like you all really want a drag race.
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I watched the whole video waiting for a drag race.....
We'll make sure to include one in future videos!
I have the gtd and love it also it goes miles and miles cheap and fast enough to dust most cars. Happy happy me.
dust my 330whp gti then
@@mkviis pretty sure he said 'most' cars
Yeah i always tought petrol cars would get more mpg but diesels do
I bought a GTD. Good MPG and performance.
I have a gtd. For a diesel it's awesome
The fact you completely denied the gtd the fact it's cheaper to run, and DOES have alot going for it in power/performance says alot about the quality of your review. Obviously a gti is funner, but I have just as much fun in a gtd
This comment hasn’t aged well now has it?
@@johnadams4571 nope haha
@@johnadams4571 the GTD is king
@@johnadams4571 it’s aged better than the GTE
GTD is not fundamentally wrong. It's awesome! The balance of power, efficiency, and cheap running costs is very difficult to beat. Also it just looks better than a normal Golf so this is one big reason, along with the extras it comes with as standard, to not 'just go for a normal Golf'.
It’s not just a normal golf tho is it, the gtd has a bigger turbo and different fuel injectors, its like saying the gti is the same as a 2.0 tsi so why not just buy a normal tsi
Okay so you said the GTD is pointless, but then didn't recognize that the GTD has the same suspension as the GTi. So then what you would have had to do is compare the Golf GTD to the Golf TDi, to determine if the GTD is worth it, rather than comparing it to the GTi and the GTE. Since the GTD is much more fuel efficient than the GTi, it seems like it would actually be a worthy choice over the GTi - assuming the handling and feel is close to the GTi, which you didn't really say whether it was or not.
For me, if the GTD handles as well, feels as good as the GTi but has better economy at the expense of 60 bhp, I would get the GTD.
why didn't he rev the GTD and GTE as well? I wanted to hear what they sound like from outside and laugh lol. anyway crap comparison. Carwow does it so much better...
He does rev the GTD...
from 0-60 like he did with the GTI. But ye like what others have said a drag race would have been interesting to watch also.
The GTi is ruined by DSG box as it constantly looks for too high a gear- even in sport mode I was left distinctly underwhelmed. DSG is so much better in a GTD. A mapped GTD will go as well & better than a stock GTi & still give 45mpg overall. They are all too big & heavy to be true hot hatches in any case
@@chrismc1977 agreed there, and from a gtd owner myself. Mine's doing near 60mpg and it isn't mapped at all. Would only get dsg for a Golf R tbh, I've heard the manual golf r is tough on its synchros. I agree on the weight thing, the golf is more an all round package than a track weapon like a civic type r or a Renault sport
Interesting... nobody mentions gtd amount of torque, it is the same like in the golf R. Which means allot in everyday driving.
hi guys am debating between a 1.6 mk7 golf and a 2.0 mk7 gtd golf is there much in it between them? thanks.
Hi Jack,
There is a BIG gap in performance between the 1.6-litre TDI and 2.0-litre TDI Mk7 Golfs. If you're happy to pay the difference, the GTD is the one to get.
Gtd or Gti ? Interior is different
I own a GTD with a remap and it would keep up with a GTI all day maybe even outdrag it. Bear in mind a remaped GTD has more torque than a stock R at 350lbft. Its got a weight advantage too as doesnt have 100kg haldex system. 40mpg+ all day everyday. Looks just as good. Imho the best of the bunch with a manual gearbox its a hoon.
Wow I love that GTD
I've had the GTI, Golf R and now have the GTD, The GTD is great, offers 90% of what you get from the GTI only you almost never look at the fuel gauge! The fact that fuel is well over £1:50 in some places makes the GTD a better buy..I've never had the GTE but not sure if Volkswagen make 25 meter EV Charging cables to reach my flat 😂😂
I think the tdi engine ind the gtd is less headache to own than the TSI family also. although i always wanted a gti:)
Hardly with that heavy lump of engine upfront
Had a 7 gtd from 2015 to 2017 was still all the car you ever need on a budget. Miss it as I miss the lease rates of those days. XE diesel that came after was so slow in comparison. Handled well though.
Please do a drag race between a3 e tron and gte
is that harry kane talking
Nah mate, he's not dribbling!
Give the GTD a remap... it wins on performance, economy and reliability hands down. BOOM!
We won't argue with that. Although not sure how VW's press office would feel if we remapped one of its cars...
No. Just no. You do realise a stage 1 APR or Revo remap with no additional mods gives 310 bhp and 320+ lb ft on a GTI. That would hammer a mapped GTD into it’s smelly oil burning boots.
Wonder if you could remap a GTE?
=)))))) U love problems , arent you ?
Intersting. An idea for another video, perhaps?
I own and adore my GTD
I love my GTD I’ve got friends who have the GTI and the GTE and they say day to day the GTD’’s much better in fact the GTE owner now has a GTD lol
Jesus christ, you guys completely disregarded the GTD. Sure, it's not as quick as the GTI, but it's wicked economical to run, is relatively cheap on insurance, and has enough power to smoke most normal cars on the road. It's a brilliant middle-ground.
1:04 - Being a bit of a VW Golf "Anorak" I know but the first GTD was a Mk1 Golf and actually hit the streets in 1982, so not "nearly ten years ago", but 32 years ago. I had a go in an, '88 Golf 2 GTD back in the day and it was GREAT, but a bit too unusual for the time. Learning how to drive the low range torque and not rev the nuts off it, like I had to in my '86 8V Group N Golf (and still have to, but that's another story!) was a bit strange, but we're all more used to that these days. Didn't sell that well though, which might explain the name vanishing for a while.
Ahh you've got us there. Good spot!
Believe it or not, Adam isn't as old as he appears on camera so wouldn't remember the 1982 Golf GTD.
No worries! Sometimes I wish that I could have filled my brain with more day to day useful information.
Mk2 Golf GTE was a bit of a sleeper, but the 16v will always be my favourite. Very nearly bought one, but ended up with a Scirocco GTX.
To get the highest MPG from the GTE you need to run on EV mode first. I'm sitting at 168mpg over 13000 miles. And that's with pushing the GTE button on occasions. Add Koni Active Sport shocks, H&R springs and uprated control arm bushes and it's way more keen to turn in than my M4.
Wow! Your GTE sounds like a proper little weapon, Martin. You must have the best handling GTE in the country.
Do you have a video on CZcams?
U do probably loads of short journeys cos u got very good mpg
No drag race what's the point.
The only problem with the Gti 245 when it comes to ownership ironically comes from it's big brother the Golf R. For only £6 per month more on PCP finance, you can get the Golf R over the 245, and for that reason, it makes the 245 virtually redundant. As good as the 245 may be, for the price of a cup of coffee per week, you'd be a mug not to go for the Golf R.
It's a valid point, and although PCP prices will fluctuate the Golf R is, as you said, barely more than the GTI. But we reckon the latter still has its own appeal.
What is it with v dub and the check seats. Dont like em.
They are an acquired taste. Still plenty of demand for them, though!
I can't abide them l drove 250 miles to buy one in grey 3 door and black leather seats worth it
Saying the GTD is pointless and why not get a normal golf is abit unfair, normal 2.0 tdi golf doesn’t have the same turbo, fuel injectors and doesn’t have variable valve timing like the gtd does, and pretty sure it’ll have a few other differences aswell, my point is why didn’t you say that about the gti? Why not just get a 2.0 tsi? Because they are a completely different car all together just like the GTD and the normal 2.0 tdis
You missed an ideal opportunity to-do a real world 0-60, as most GTE owners will tell you, VW have fibbed about its real power output and 0-60 times, and we all know VW aren’t shy of telling fibs
Next time!
GeneralSprint yeah the GTE is a solid second and a half quicker because they were worried it would cannibalise GTI sales
yes you are correct Ive done mine in GTE mode 0 -60 in 6.2 second and the VW garage in Edinburgh after testing it today on the performance print out advised of a combined 217 BHP ???? czcams.com/video/VERjNAVEses/video.html
My GTE could keep up with a Golf R32 from 20-70mph - not bad really.
GTD IS THE BEST SELLING GOLF TODAY!!!
No
@@mc_mods6105 yes it is from 2013/2020 it’s been the best selling golf in the uk
doesnt mean its the best golf
@@MrHidinho did I say it was the best ? I said it’s the best selling golf !
@@basheruk5725 fair enough. just another reason to avoid imo lol they are everywhere cuz of the cheap lease deals
GTE all day long
Il faudrait faire une dragrace ! C’est la base 😖
GTE actually has 226bhp and gets to 60 in around 6.3s. VW have been modest with the figures for some "commercial" reason and not to put the GTI to shame ... of course the GTD (even with a remap) is miles away.
Golf GTE gets your vote, then?
Parkers I can second those times, and the GTE gets my vote.
My GTE Does 60 way faster than VW claim, a lot more power there than VW are letting on
that is correct!
mine too@@Mr_Sprint
I’ve got the mk 7.5 gtd , yes it’s not as exciting as the gti but it does pull like a train.
No disagreement from us, the GTD has bags of pulling power.
GTD gets off faster than a gti at the start , has more torque
GTE is faster to 100km/h then GTD by about 1 sec. At least when the batteries have some juice in them
dude get some decent mic.. Your voice grinds my ears
Sorry your ears are feeling a little sore Andris - we were filming on what must have been the windiest day of the year!
The golf r cant beat the newer top end models on the track. But it can in a straight away
Clubsport S for track driving, definitely!
You should improve your pronantiation for us foreingers ;)
Gtd is fast enough and good on long drive and good fuel overall best
When I heard Peterborough I was like what i live there lol
Yep, we test cars all over the place but our office is very close to Peterborough!
I like the way the golf drives but the golf is a bit faster so i think i might go for the golf... who agrees?
Golf wins.
Never underestimate a VAG TDi.....simply remap and better brake pads and its a winner. Trust me.
Absolutely! But surely a remapped GTI would beat a remapped GTD?
Absolutely! I drive a PD150 and it surprises people on the UK roads....for a diesel. But yes, you're right, a remapped GTI would be the better car overall. Faster, better handling, revy petrol and sounds great compared to a TDi. If the GTD is cheaper to buy or finance, still well worth it.
Skoda Octavia VRS same engine as both the golf GTI & GTD, bigger boot & costs significantly less than the VW
Good point! We're big fans of the Octavia vRS - it featured in our 2017 Best Cheap Fast Cars group test video.
Yeah but the Skoda looks like a taxi.
Makes an excellent sleeper, though!
Talk slower dude!
This video would have been better if you included a drag race😉
Watch this space!
Why so much hate? I guess it's because he didn't drag race them? 😕
still 6.2 seconds to 60 for a GTI, seems a bit slow to me.
Its the fastest GTI theres ever been so... "for a gti" made no sense whatsoever!!
I just switched from GTI to R. Agree with this comment
Here in Germany many driving school have GTDs :D
Wow
Good Post Parkers, thanks.
I own both the GTD DSG mk7 and the R DSG mk7.5
I bought the GTD because I can cover a lot of miles in a day for business when out of the office, typically 320 so a sporty fun drive should I want one without the much lower mpg of the GTI was my reason; then the R as the toy and for me.
Like you said the GTI isn't the ultimate performance hatch in the Golf stable by comparison agist the R.
AJ
Glad you liked the video AJ, that sounds like a cracking two-car garage!
AJ daam you are a total beast buddy! :O haha.. go on!
I cant understand why the new 7.5 gen gtd hasnt been given more hp! Not even 10 bhp
We agree. More power is rarely a bad thing.
Insurance groups which is a major selling point. This is easily remedied with a cheeky remap - it transforms the car for very little money & improves fuel economy...
I thought they’d given it more torque ?
UP’d another 30 or 40ft lbs .
Original like 250ft lbs now something like 290lbs ft
The Audi 2.0 Tdi is Supposed too .
And allegedly the Skoda Octavia Vrs tdi has More Torque than 250lbs
My Golf TDI stage 1 is 180hp
Ron Zalk
That seems Consistent with what I’ve read , I had toyed with the Idea of Getting a 2.0 tdi GT Not GTD
And doing a Bluefin but in the End I Live in London all the Diesel hysteria put me off .
Shud be gtd stage 1 vs gti
I don’t believe the gte is good on fuel on the motorway, once the electric energy is spent. It’s basically a heavier petrol powered car. It’s probably good on short journeys and that’s about it.
Once the electrical energy is spent, you're right, it is a heavier petrol and therefore less economical. But you can make it last a surprisingly long time and charge it while driving, too.
The trick is not to spend it all. Once you deplete it, you force it to behave like a petrol car. If you’re motorway driving, keep some power back, as little as 3 or 4 miles, and it will be able to switch the engine off when coasting or lifting off the power, and use the motor to fill gaps in power, or supplement the engine for a few seconds here and there. You can see gains of up to 10mpg over a long journey this way. Then use those last miles of electric to get you home to your charger.
i didnt know there was a gte xD
GTI= Petrol
GTD= Diesel
GTE= Hybrid(Petrol/Electric)
Is the VW Golf R missing there 👍 the best of all 😄😄😂
It is missing! But as we explained in the video, there is little point in including it as it would win hands down for most buyers.
Parkers that's true I saw you sad straight as a post the comment 😂😂 after the R (allawys Gona be the first choose) comes the GTI are a machine +.+
Parkers by the way thanks for sharing a video such go at this one 🙏
Kinda doing it wrong with the standard GTI? Bruh I'm saving a quick $3,000 USD by keeping it base, I can use that to tune the car and do whatever... 10HP on premium fuel and a LSD is not worth it to me for that price.
Each to their own Flopkin!
Gti all day people who love cars arnt called electric heads or diesel heads were petrol heads
Fair point Leon!
I think thats a a very limited way of thinking honestly
Ye I agree with Bow TieP, that's a stupid way of fanboying around.
GTI should remain GTI, if you want standard cheaper running version then just buy the standard golf, don't tamper with the GTIs legacy... thats just me being a golf fanatic
There is still a real appeal to the GTI, even if its figures aren’t as impressive as the R’s. Keep an eye out for our Golf GTI vs. Hyundai i30N video in the next few days!
Gtd all the way buddy.
Longterm gtd all the way £20 road tax better economy and on the motorway faster in gear pull. And still looks the part 👍🏻
You say the only choices were golf gti, focus st and civic type r. You are completely wrong. Shows how much you know about cars 😂
Sorry Craig. We'll be sure to consult you first next time.
Remove the GT's and what's left spells DIE, VW trying to tell us something?
That's dark...
Obviously, we just don’t know what...
You forgot the "R" so we get R I D E.
No darkness and order restored 👍
haha I like it 👍🏼
Thanks AJ. We were beginning to worry.
2023 amazing what a backwards step in turns of interior build quality and truly awful functionality of screen and climate controls integration, I had two Mk7s but after screen on my Mk8 froze three times a day for a month returned car to dealership
Bit biased about GTi’s there mate
GTD is best i think.Diesel is love!
I'm sorry, but I can't understand a word you're saying. Not sure is it the accent or something else, but I had to replay some sentences for 3 times to understand. English isn't my first language, but I usually never have this problem.
Don't worry Dominic. We usually can't understand what Adam's saying either.
Well, you're at least funny, I give you that. I just subscribed. Also, tell him to speak just a little bit slower and it should be fine, even though now his accent was actually understandable compared to the last time I watched the video. Must have been really tired or something.
Thanks Dominic - you've made Adam's evening. We'll try and calm him down for the next video. No promises, though.
GTI>GTD>GTE
KingChooêt GTE>GTI>GTD
@@Klaro94 GTI>GTD>GTE
Yay my city
No drag race? What a waste of an opportunity.
2 things. 1. Please slow down your speech. 2. Do a damn drag race from a dig and roll!!!!
Watch this space for drag racing.
All hail the GTD
I’ve had them all Gti s first as a young hooligan but now I wouldn’t buy one because the R makes it obsolete
Had the gtd and couldn’t fault it because of the economy because owning a Gti as a daily driver is expensive
And now I’ve the gte and not for love nor money would I swap the gte for either
We've heard of a lot of hot Golf drivers who've switched to a GTE - all of which seem to be very happy!
If a GTI is expensive to daily drive, You are defenitely doing something wrong.
I don’t need to jog u thick fuck I’ve gotten 166mpg haha 😂 ure some tard this is to easy
eath nowen a rich puff
Ha ha check mate ure to easy gimp u keep biting
eath nowen just u and the lad alright bumming each other 😂😂😂😂
Where is the drag race?? I unliked this video sorry:(
No drag race ok
Missed opportunity, eh?
Wr the hell is a drag race
Just a bit of constructive criticism - slow down the speaking a bit and try to speak more clearly.
seat leon FR 184 for me boy
Are u gay?
@@jakelamotta2387 the gtd is a FR part for part just the badge is different, remapped fr/gtd leaves GTI for dead. RIP boy
BS The GTD is a VW for a start and yeh 'VW make Seat' Its a VW not a shitty Seat. The seat looks and feels cheap asf inside and out. The GTD in my opinion is one of the best hot hatches on the planet currently... the GTI is also very nice but the FR not so much. The Golf is nothing like not even remotely a Leon lmao Leons are gay.
@@jakelamotta2387 you clearly know fuck all about cars lmao you do realise they're built on the same chassis with the same engine? just badge snobs like you go for the gtd because the centre console isn't made out of leather you enjoys yours mate
Oh my god not thrashed a proper gtd🤭
u talk to fast bro......other than that u r good
Or if you don't want the "I think I'm important" look go buy something else....
TDI, thank you...
everytime
What rubbish ! the GTE is still the most expensive thats if you even get the Govt grant in the UK. Just look on VW website - the R top is £34'790 the GTE Advance is 33'708 without the GOVT subsidy of £3000 its 36'708 and the GTE SA edition was / is in a 16 and 66 plate NEW a whopping £ 38'885.
While you're on the VW website look at the more relevant PCP finance figures, where the GTE is cheaper than the GTD, GTI and R.
I had a GTE in 2016 brand new and it was 38’855 PCP etc.. is irrelevant Im talking on the road price. The price on the VW site INCLUDES the Government grant deduction so add a further £4000. Also the service costs are far higher due to 2 engines / drives to be exact VW Edinburgh charged £479.22 for a full service.
GTE does Have a Strong pick up on a roll
That's one of our favourite things about the long termer we ran. Standing start 0-62mph runs really don't do it justice!
Parkers
Realistically there pub talk Numbers ,
Getting the power down on the Go is far more useful . Occasionally one might call on their cars better 0-60 but more often you’ll need power on the move , GTE caught my ST off Guard I weren’t expecting it to go like it did .
I had to Remap my car to make sure that don’t happen again 👍..
There's a lot to like about a boost of instant electric torque.
Dat accent doe
I found your voice difficult to listen to.
Play the video at x2 speed, usually helps.
He talks too fast so I set the playback speed to 0.75.
Try setting it to 1.5 for a laugh.
Gtd 4 me
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Very bland video, bereft of any substance!
slow down boy
Gti is de best
Ahh the good old boring dis the diesel golf.
No drag race? 👎🏼
This is a stupid comparison. It's based solely on the fact that the reviewer prefers Petrol over Diesel or Hybrid.
Which one do you prefer, Alex?
It's up to everyone's situation and the region they live in.
The GTE is unbeaten at saving fuel, the recuperation alone might bring some people from home to work once more just by braking. The GTI is for the bigger guys and Volkswagen fanboys. It's compact and much more fun to drive, but no actual alternative if you only want to go from A to B. The GTD however is entirely different, with the fuel fundamentally changing the vehicle and it's purpose, if you need a compact car for long distances because your Job requires so, go for a GTD.
One example of myself: I live in Germany and the state supports Diesel Engines through making the price per gallon lower. Many people therefore favor Diesel, recent events though might change that and Diesel Sells dropped heavily. My own daily routine only requires me to drive a total of only ~30km. Which is a distance, a GTE could easily make and even have a few spare kilometers to go and eat a pizza with my friends. Over night I would charge it and the next day, everything starts again. Going fully electric in my daily routine and only needing Petrol for longer distances would probably save the most money.
But guess what, I'm a mechanic and more Horsepower is better right? GTI is the go-to. No sorry, I'd prefer GTE.
Totally get what you’re saying Alex. Everyone’s situation is different. We try to put a personal angle on the videos to make them a little more interesting, so the presenter’s own thoughts will always be a part of the verdict.
Saying that, Adam is also a big fan of the GTE having run one as his everyday car for six months: www.parkers.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-2013/long-term-reviews/volkswagen-golf-hatchback-13-on-gte-advance-14-tsi-bmt-phev-204ps-dsg-auto-0317-on-5d/
The gte simply disgusts me 🤢
Knobs!
You missed an opportunity to be funny 😂
Did you not find Adam amusing?
Parkers 😂 errr no, but 10/10 for effort
He speaks too fast.... difficult to understand what he’s saying...
Has to be one of the most uninformative reviews I've seen. Not great guys
Dhdhdhrbrnnfhf
The best car is the GTD, BEST ENGINE, DIÉSEL AS SAME POWER WIN OVER petrol engine
diesels have come so far.
Would I take car buying advice from this chap? No.
What a poor review...
GTI, GTD or GTE its still just a shitty Golf. A car for ignorant buyers...
Clickbait!